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Mark.
just change that "4 bales of hay" to skis, snowboards, surfboards or whatever else your passion is. us old guys have worked hard and deserve our fun while still being practical. my silver 6s manual sports package has been ordered and hopefully will be here by my 49th birthday in january. lets start that "old guys club" up and make the oldest "old guy" on the board the honorary president.
P.S. i think the greatest appeal of the mazda 6 is - "that it's not an accord".
Dinu
The appeal of the 6 is - it looks better than the others. It's a beautiful car! The Accord, Altima, and Camry, to mention 3, are not, each has something about it that doesn't look right. The Accord's front end is bland, the Altima is basically plain sheetmetal except for the headlights and taillamps, and the Camry is very slabsided with an odd placement for the grille logo. Being different for the lack of a better idea didn't work. None are as sleek as the 6.
The guy who asked about the 6's interior compared to the Altima's, it's much better in every way. The Altima has lots of hard plastic and cheap fabric. The Mazda6 has handsom, soft-touch, padded dash covering, the center pod's metallic finish is darker than in photos and looks very nice, the seat fabric is much nicer and more durable - not valour. As opposed to the suade trimmed seats in the Mazda Protegé, the 6's seats are trimmed with a tightly woven fabric that should not show wear and warn spots from sliding in and out. Practicle as opposed to faux luxury.
doodle4: Old age is mandatory/maturity is optional.
fowler3
thank you fowler3 you see the appeal of the 6's looks. all the rest are just bland wanna be's that are trying to appeal to the broadest market.
I, for one, do not want the body effects and spoiler. I can live without the purty instrument panel effects, and can buy 17 wheels and tires in the aftermarket if I want them (though they do contribute to a harsher ride and with the low profile are more susceptible to road hazards as are commonly found in the Appalachians where I live...)
I find it amusing that people in here find it necessary to try and bash my decision to buy a Honda, but I still feel the same way about the Mazda as I did after I drove it.
gee35coupe Dec 1, 2002 11:17am
The dealerships in Atlanta weren't willing to deal on the 6 and they don't have the 5 door. So we ended up with an Accord. It is a better value right now there's no denying it.
mazda6s Dec 7, 2002 11:55pm
I've noticed that also. The traffic isn't there in the volume you would expect it to be. This was a precursor to that I think.
revka "Mazda 6 Hatchback" Jan 21, 2002 9:48am
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brekke "Mazda 6 Hatchback - Your opinions?" Nov 12, 2001 10:30am
Notice how many posts in a month? They closed it. Let's hope the traffic picks up. Or maybe not, for us bargain hunters. Anony didn't say head to the Accord forum the start conflict, only to see that there are many more "I GOT ONE!!!" posts there since day one. In fact there were people arguing(there that aggressiveness) over whether people REALLY had one before the official introduction.
I'm still planning on buying a 6. I have to have a 5 door. I've been wanting one for a long time and no one seems to send em over here.
As far as not buying a Honda because it's a Honda...Well I guess if that floats your boat then it's your "water". But couldn't the same be said about the 6 when someone says they won't buy one because of the Ford influence. And there is a lot more justification to that decision.
As far as looks. What's so different about the Mazda? It's a three box sedan. Honda/Toyota built those in the late 80's early 90's. It's not that diferent. In fact the only thing that makes it different is that no one builds em any more.
To show how confused Mazda is we test drove a white 6i 5-speed with the black interior from the sport package and a silver loaded 5-speed with option combinations that Mazda says will not be available til January. You would think that since it arrived fairly late in the year they would've had all this stuff sorted out.
Can you order a Mazda? I want a red 6i MT with ABS only, which is a package that should have just went into production. A dealer told me that unlike most domestics, I had to be flexible, because they can only pick 6's from a huge list after they've been built. They said they can trade with other dealerships, but they cannot put an order in to the factory. Thus, I may not be able to get an option or color, particularly because I want a hard-to-find manual tranny.
Well, I've been waiting for ABS and/or the sport package to become available without all the junk I don't want or need. Now that I should be able to order a 6i w/ ABS, I want to. But can I? I will not budge from these options, because adding anything to a 6i MT will bump me up (through package groupings) over $3000, and I really like the red. If I had known I wouldn't be able to get ABS, I'd have bought already. With less than 10 6i MT's within 100 miles of my house, it sounds like I'll have to order the car to get what I want.
Another dealer, I should mention, said that if I put a down payment on a car, they'd put a priority on it at the factory. It's a "special program" Mazda has.
I'm being fed so much B.S. my eyes are turning brown, but by who?
When Mazda began rolling out cars on the assembly line they were building them with a variety of options and packages. Then in an effort to streamline production they set parameters on how a car could be built.
Limiting the variety of ways a car can be produced will speed up assembly time and more importantly decrease the possiblities of errors.
If you want to order a 6i with ABS you would have to get all the packages. (I am writing from home so I don't have the specifics). It would probably be cheaper to get the 6s MT. Then the 2500 extra would actually give you ABS, Traction control, Alloy wheels, Climate control and of course the V6.
There are however, some cars out there right now that were made prior to the new build parameters.
That is why I think many are confused on how you can outfit them. For instance we had a 6s with Leather and Comfort Package but now you have to get the moonroof too. You might want to do a little searching to see if you can find what you are looking for.
For the first few months the dealers are basically picking through a list of built vehicles available in our area. I believe it is sometime this month (possibly next) when we will actually be able to place an order to build.
Someone else mentioned yesterday that Mazda would be holding off shipping cars until sales pick up.
Actually Mazda was holding off on the media blitz until cars arrived. We had to have 900 in the midwest region to start the real advertizing. It started this weekend.
The educated consumers like yourselves were the only people that knew this car existed.
Don't hold your breath too long for those rebates. It took the new Tribute over a year to even get 4.9%. Supply and demand will dictate. Like you, I am anxious to see how this all plays out.
Well gee, whad ja expect? It's a Mazda site for crying out loud! Try talking up a Mazda in the Honda site and I suspect you'll get a similar response.
"It is a better value right now there's no denying it."
"Value" is in the eye of the beholder. Isn't that half the fun of talking about cars? You have to wonder what some people were thinking when they put money down on some of the goofy vehicles you see driving around! (And I'm not talking Hondas or Mazdas here.)
Accords and Camrys are nice cars but their manufacturers are on top of the heap, sales wise, and therefore hesitant to mess with the formula that got them there. When you're like Mazda and at the bottom of the market share heap you've got to think aggressively and take a lot of risks to stand apart from the pack. I think the 6 reflects that thinking...
But your Accord's nice too.
And if history repeats itself, Mazda will grow to be like Toyota and Honda...then what happens?
If Mazda keeps me waiting long enough, maybe I'll end up with the hatch! (only to be plagued with the same availability problems)
Well except for those that won't buy a Honda because it's a Honda. Those folks are special.
What I really want is a 5 door and generous financing and rebates. I'm sure they are coming.
Wonder when (or even IF) that will happen!
We deliver them in March. Should make for a busy couple of days around the dealership.
As for your run of the mill, one at a time kinda deals, we're feeling confident given the level of customer interest in the vehicle so far - although we certainly wish we were getting the 5-door and especially the wagon. Interest in the wagon has been remarkable.
It still seems that few people are buying these and there aren't really alot of other forums talking about the 6. Just alot of posts among us addicts who chatter away about nothing for 50 posts or so. You guys are like a dysfunctional family brought together at Thanksgiving.
Dinu
Does that clarify anything?
disclaimer: All reference to members being dysfunctional is done in pure jest and should not be taken seriously. If it is, then I plead insanity (I did buy a Honda you know).
Then "They" arrive. Bringing with them all their stored frustration. We should embrace them in the holiday spirit. After all, we did just gather after Thanksgiving, no?
Others may enjoy bashing us for their perceived notions of our automotive choice, but we know the truth.
As we enter the corner in a slight drift , we grab a gear, make a slight correction and apply power. We know what we have, and what the future is. Connecting with an automobile is a visceral experience, something to be absorbed by every sense.
So let's be festive and wish them a happy holiday season. May someone leave them a larger trunk in the 07 redesign!
Santa.
Dinu
http://thehollywoodextra.com/acura/acura.html
I see one of the pics has a automatic shifter in it. I am guessing that the TSX will be like the TL and only offer an auto even on the type s. That takes it off of my list.
I disagree with you Fowler. I feel the 6 looks just like what is. A nice family sedan. Very little ornamentation on the one piece front end. Very little on the sides. The interior in very BMWish in it's presentation. Upmarket would include more trim pieces around the car in my opinion.
It is a very nice sports sedan though. It's just that I don't think what will shake up today's market is more "sport" considering what rules the market these days. It's not very economical.
doying - You should check your facts. You do not have to get "all the other options" to get ABS on the 6i-MT. There are two ways to do it, as I described above.
Really hate to burst your bubble too but if you are going to make a comment like that, substantiate it with facts, please.
No,it isnt good for a car to be a rental mainstay. There are better ways to get popular apart from being a regular rental car, like being reliable, maybe- But I am sure that Mazda 6 will not suffer at all even if its sales are mostly rentals because they are supposed to be the best thing since Viagra. LOL
You want a real culture shock go to Germany and see lines of Mercedes-Benz taxis on city streets. They are painted a muddy brown color. And we think of MB as ultra luxury.
capitano said: I could do without the wood trim stuff. I still don't get why that is considered upscale.
It started with those Brit cars, Rolls and Bently, having wood trim, supposedly luxurious. Wood trim provides a visual break from swathes of leather and painted steel. We don't think of cars being elegant carriages, but the novelty has been carried over for those who think it is worth the expense -- even in plastic. Commoners get faux titanium and aluminum from the 1920s and 1930s when machined metal was used on dashes.
fowler3
BTW, I have heard a rumor that in a scientific survey it was found that most Accord buyers think the Accord is actually BETTER (and more reliable) than Viagra. LOL
Like chrome around the windows? Thankfully Mazda didn't use that on the 6, BUT, they do offer a "chrome finishing" kit -- door guard strips and in the rear a chrome strip for the trunk lid, probably above the license plate. Last thing the 6 needs!
fowler3
By the way, have you bought your 6 already? You have been here since ages blabbing about the 6 and bashing the Accord but you are like many of the people here who just get contented by talking without actually owning one. I know, two or three here already are proud owners but interestingly, they do not seem to be bashing the accord in order to justify their purchase for the 6. While you, my friend, bashes the accord, but you do not even actually own either one, do you? Or plan to buy one. You just take pleasure in bashing the Accord.
There are people here who actually are planning to buy the 6, and they are here because they need to hear the good things about it without
even exaggerating. Just the facts. If all you could provide is subjective comments, then you are not helping us.
Give yourself some usability here and make a choice to buy or even plan to buy then after that you can trample on the accord all you want. By then maybe we would believe that the 6 is actually a better buy. But until then, you are just a "babble-mouth" without really anything substantial to contribute.
PS. Why do you always have to use exclamation marks in your sentences. It's the same as yelling... And I thought you knew that already.
http://www.autopacific.com/press/010203I.html
About 2 years ago I read an article that stated that Honda was then selling 2% to fleets but they were going to reduce that number because of the bad image it can create. That's probably one of the reasons it enjoys high resale value even when compared to the Camry and the Passat (which sells in much smaller numbers). Honda will not deal directly with rental car companies. Any rental company who wants a Honda as a rental car has to negotiate with the dealer.
I am an admitted Honda fanatic but I am an informed Honda fanatic so any Honda-isms I spout are usually true.
"The performance package doesn't do a thing, it's for looks, and subjective at that."
Actually some technical tidbits for you.
The Sport Package on the Mazda6 provides functional as well as aesthetic benefits. The body parts on the sport package, namely the front fascia and rear spoiler, reduce aerodynamic lift by a significant amount (between 22 - 34%), which improves the feeling of stability and precision steering at freeway speeds. Unlike other manufactures, our engineers were paying attention on this one. It is not just for show.
They don't put these items on Formula cars for show either.
Just thought you'd like to know.