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Mazda6 Wagon

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  • I think lots of cars are designed to blow after warranty. Our worst case was a Dodge Caravan that started self destructing at 50K.

    I agree new bmw's are overpriced, but buying used can yield good value. I bought my 99 328 (loaded) with 14k miles for $29.5k during winter. I drove it for 2.5 years and 30k miles and sold it for $23.5. (all private party transactions) Considering that I didn't have to pay for oil changes or two sched. services during that time, I think I made out great. I'll bet two year cost of ownership on a nearly new Mazda 6 would be higher.

    Anyway, is there any definite word on when the first wagons will hit the showrooms?
  • jcliffrojcliffro Posts: 108
    This is my first time to read a Mazda 6 message board in months. Mazda lost me when they started requiring one to buy a sunroof in order to get side air bags. Most of the 2003s on the dealer lots had side air bags here in New Orleans. Now, almost none of them do. A company that thinks like Mazda does is not a company from which I will purchase a vehicle. Delays in offering the wagon or hatchback, probable over-pricing of them, required bundling of option packages. It is all way beyond me and my patience. Good luck to those of you who are willing to put up with Mazda's foolishness. I have decided on a Toyota 4-Runner.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 25,969
    4runner vs. a mazda 6. Now there is a stretch in cross-shopping if I ever heard one.

    '18 BMW 330xi; '67 Coronet R/T; '14 Town&Country Limited; '18 BMW X2. 47-car history and counting!

  • audia8qaudia8q Posts: 3,138
    well I guess since the car will be so outdated, lousy and overpriced they should just cancel the car. That address that problem.
  • zaimonzaimon Posts: 124
    Better yet.. bring back the Millenia and 626 to make things the way they used to be. :-)
  • jcliffrojcliffro Posts: 108
    It is all about value. I thought last year that the Mazda 6 was good value for the money. The 4-Runner was a second choice. That was my opinion after a ton of research. Mazda removed its car from my list. That is my opinion. You are entitled to yours.
  • zaimonzaimon Posts: 124
    Actually, you'll find a lot of people agree with you on the 6's packaging. Mazda has corrected that with the introduction of the Mz3, much simpler, practical optioning.

    That said, Toyota options out their vehicles as extensively as the Mazda6. Albeit you probably had a myriad of choices on your "potential next car" list I would never expect to cross-shop a 4-runner with a Mazda6 tho; moving from a mid-size sedan under 25k to a massive SUV that can option at over 40k. The cars just don't equate.

    Congratulations on your 4runner purchase!
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    I think that Mazda should have actually rushed all three within months of each other. Maybe the sedan in March, the hatchback in June and finally the wagon in November. But, the delay could be pointed at expanding factory space to build the two versions, getting it up to US safety standards or just simply Mazda trying to build up anticipation. Either way, they've done all three and interest is peaking. Better rush it!
  • johnclineiijohnclineii Posts: 2,287
    Interest is peaking? Puhleeze.

    During this delay, other manufacturers have made clear their intentions to introduce competing wagons at about the same time.

    I, for one, may well end up in an 05 Legacy or Outback wagon. I otherwise would probably have bought the 6wagon.

    Delay as a marketing tactic? Not in today's world.
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    GM is showing the hydrogen car they're promising. And they're trying to market other GM cars by showing big GM signs all over the place on shows like 60 Minutes II.
  • 2005 offerings from Subaru, Volvo,Saab, and others will surely raise the bar and result in lost sales for Mazda. I, for one, will now wait till September to check out all options.
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    well, there will be increased competition, and I'm sure Mazda has lost some customers with the delay, but it'll still be waaay better than the Ford Taurus or Saturn L300 wagons.
  • I'd assume the new Subies, etc will be available Fall '04. The '04 6 wagon should be out this spring. I don't think Volvo and Saab had new wagons comming out. Even if they did, I think they're in a higher price range then the Mazda.
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    has the new V50. Saab has the rebadged 9-2X plus a 9-3X. (don't know when the 9-3X is coming, the 9-2X will be here July, 2004.)
  • looks sweet. Proabably the 6 wagon's size. But I don't think we're talk'n high $20's. The 9-2's a little on the small size. Is there a 9-3 wagon planned? Now that would probably look sharp and since the 9-5 wagon bases at over $32K, it might come in at the rigth price range.
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    is close to what the production model might be in size.
  • are expected as 2005 models introduced in the spring of 2004, according to the dealer where I test-drove an Outback wagon last weekend. They reportedly are preparing to tool up the factory in Indiana for production starting next month. The Subaru forum speculates April-May. A new post citing an anonymous Subaru rep claims the 2005 Outbacks will be on lots the week of May 17.
  • johnclineiijohnclineii Posts: 2,287
    and the Subaru wagons AND the Mazda6 wagons will both be 2005's, or so I hear.
  • I'm curious where you heard this. Previous posters seemed sure it would be a 2004 model with a short run.
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    would make sense. Just look at the Sienna. REALLY EARLY 2004 model. Don't need to make next model year changes that early into the year.
  • have sedan's as '04 and wagon's sold as '05? The 6 wagon and sedan have no technical differences
    between then other then sheet metal. The USA is finaly getting what other markets have had for over a year now.
  • markjennmarkjenn Posts: 1,142
    I think the rule is that for cars sold in March or later of any year, they can be labeled as the following model year. Mfgs take advantage of this whenever they can to get some buzz around a new model or a new variant of a new model, even if it means that they're mixing model years on the lot.

    For example, when BMW face-lifted the 3-series coupes a couple years ago, the coupes sold as one model year and the sedans another, even with the exact same production date.

    - Mark
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    you had 2004 Toyota Solaras sitting next to a 2003 Toyota Camry LE V6.
  • The Solaras came out with totaly different sheet metal. The BMW, The sedan was catching up to the coupe in the re-style. Here we know Wagon/hatch/sedan all share exactly the same components except for the rear 1/4 pannel. The early year designation I think just says they're gonna keep the car the same for the 04/05 model years.
  • audia8qaudia8q Posts: 3,138
    the wagon and H/B will be 2004 models. I have the spec sheets right in front of me.
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    can you scan them and post them?
  • johnclineiijohnclineii Posts: 2,287
    Yet ANOTHER reason to prefer the Subaru Legacy/Outback wagons. Less depreciation.
  • lumbarlumbar Posts: 421
    Could we wait to see the difference in price? I'm anticipating the subies are going to be substantially more expensive with the new engine than the 6.

    Depreciation is also a function of how long one retains the vehicle, and isn't much of a consideration for the 6-10 years crowd.
  • johnclineiijohnclineii Posts: 2,287
    I put over 50k on a vehicle in a typical year. Depreciation is a MAJOR factor for me. And we need to wait on the Mazdas prices as well. I suspect the prices on both the hatch and the wagon will be breathtaking, as in much, much higher than expected. Even if they are not, I doubt that relatively modest versions will be around to be had.
  • may be less, but won't insurance rates be higher if it's a 2005 model? I just wish they would offer a 4 cylinder version of the 6 wagon, regardless of model year. If the sedan model gets 19 mpg city, the same 6-cylinder engine won't be any more fuel efficient in the wagon.
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