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Mazda6 Wagon

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  • johnclineiijohnclineii Posts: 2,287
    Insurance rates should depend on the original price, safety equipment, driving records of the demographics expected to buy and other factors, but not model year as such.

    As for a 4 cylinder wagon, I can guarantee Subaru Legacy will have one. Apparently, the Mazda will NOT. Again, consistent with a drastic move upscale from the sedan.

    People, watch and see. I bet the price on the wagon and hatch is at least 3k more than the comparable sedan.
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    plays a pretty big role for me as I put near 20,000 miles a year on every car I've ever owned, from a pre-owned Ford Granada to my current Honda Odyssey, I've been pretty consistent mileage wise, averaging 20,000 miles to a year. The only exception was the first year I had my Odyssey when I only put on 15,000 miles, but otherwise, it's been a largely 20,000 miles per year average. I trade cars every three or four years, making depreciation an even bigger role.
  • regfootballregfootball Posts: 2,166
    too bad the new subie wagon is as unattractive as the current one. at least the mazda looks good (even if its NOT AVAILABLE YET!!!!)
  • lumbarlumbar Posts: 421
    Apologies if this is semi-OT, but isn't depreciation related to model year -less- of an issue in cars with high mileage? Even assuming one trades a car every 3-4 years, my experience is that high mileage in that car will be far more significant than whether the car is one year "older." To be more specific, most dealers IMO would rather have a model year 2000 vehicle with 40K on it than a model year 2001 with 60K or more on it.

    I agree that, all things being equal, it would be better if the 6 wagon came out as an '05 at this point. I'm just not sure it's all that important to most people.
  • markjennmarkjenn Posts: 1,142
    Looks are subjective so I usually don't comment, but I doubt many would find this an unattractive car:

    http://velocity.securesites.net/jrnl/2005/vmd10477ov.html

    In fact, it looks pretty similar to the upcoming 6 wagon.

    On price, I think we've got some people at Mazda saying the hatch will be about $1K more than the sedan and the wagon about $1.5K more, for comparitively equipped models. The 6 sedan is selling modestly at best, so Mazda certainly knows its got a tough sale on its hands. I believe someone on this forum alreayd has negotiated a $500 over invoice deal on a new wagon, so it not like the dealers think they have some high-demand model that they can charge an arm/leg for either.

    And regardless of brochures or spec sheets, my money is that if the new model ships after March or so, it will be a 2005.

    - Mark
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    the dealers would rather have an older car with less mileage, but they'd probably want my easier to sell Civic with 74,000 miles than somebody's Chevrolet Cavalier with 50,000 miles as a used car on the lot.
  • joey2brixjoey2brix Posts: 463
    So we should see the hatch and wagon in dealerships by March. I hope supply of the V6 is not a problem because online the dealerships around me have a ton of 4cyl sedans in stock that are not moving. There's gonna be a lot of new models to shop and compare this spring.
  • smpoolsmpool Posts: 33
    I went to the Washington DC Auto Show on Monday. They had a red Mazda 6 wagon on the floor with tan leather interor and side skirts. It was locked so I could not sit in it, but there was a sign on the dash which read, "the 5 door Mazda 6 hatchback and the Mazda 6 wagon will be available in April 2004."
  • lumbarlumbar Posts: 421
    What's up with that?

    Hope it wasn't to disguise a "stain" inside the door. :)
  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 8,863
    Probably the same reason the Mazda 3 was locked up and cordoned off behind velvet ropes at the Boston auto show this past November. It's not yet offered for sale, there are very few examples to share, and they want to create an aura about an item you can't yet touch.
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    I've seen Pacificas unroped but locked at some smaller auto shows.
  • regfootballregfootball Posts: 2,166
    THE MISSING 'D' PILLAR IS WHAT MAKES THE SUBIE UNATTRACTIVE. LIKE I REALLY WANT TO RE-LIVE THE 1988 OLDS CUTLASS SUPREME.

    THE SUBIE WILL HAVE THE AWD ADVANTAGE, BUT ALSO WILL COST MORE.
  • SylviaSylvia Posts: 1,636
    it translates to "yelling" at people in the discussion.
  • regfootballregfootball Posts: 2,166
    sorry, i work with CAD at work and we do our note in caps....sometimes i forget to shut them off!
  • audia8qaudia8q Posts: 3,138
    The initial draft MSRP prices for the wagon and 5 door....

    MZ6 wagon 'S' manual trans.....$22,070
    MZ6 wagon 'S' Auto trans.......$22,970

    MZ6 5 door

    'i' man trans....$20,600
    'S' man trans....$22,645

    add $850 for auto trans on 'i' model and $900 for 'S' model.
  • Thanks, Rich, keep the info coming, I can't wait to see the new models.

    Some people have speculated there would be a $1000 premium for the hatch & wagon, but this doesn't seem to be the case; unless I am mistaken the price of the 5 door is almost identical to the price of the sedan with sport package.
  • Went to the LA Auto show yesterday, and they had a red wagon (W/Blk leather), as well as a copper 5-door. Both were opened to sit in, and a product specialist from Mazda N.A. claimed that a Nav system will be available for both models. He also said the 5-door will be out next month, then the wagon in the "2nd Quarter" of 2004. We'll see. The wagon had nice back seat room, and tons of cargo area - comparable to a VW Passat wagon.
  • johnclineiijohnclineii Posts: 2,287
    Nice enough prices til we see what Mazda does with the "bundling" of options. Want SAB/SAC? Probably will have to add $3500 more to the price to get it. Maybe even with ABS. I WILL look at the 6 wagon and hatch, but more and more I see an 05 Outback or Legacy wagon in my future.
  • dudleyrdudleyr Posts: 3,469
    Same boat here. I want a 4 cyl wagon, so Mazda is out. The hatch may interest me though, as long as I can get it without a sunroof and with ABS. Of course a manual tranny is a must.

    Subaru looks like it will have what I want with the '05 legacy, so I will see what that looks like.

    If both of those fall through, then I guess I am stuck with an Accord sedan. I much prefer a wagon, but I can get the Accord exactly how I want it, and I do have a minivan for when I really need to haul things.
  • According to my dealer they made their first orders for the wagons and hatch's Dec 12th. They also show my wagon's scheduled build date as 1st week Feb with deliver 4-6 weeks after, which would mean I would get it mid march. I to have been waiting for awhile for this car and I was considering a Sub-wrx but decided to wait to get more car for the money since a base wrx starts off at 25k and my 6-wagon with everything will probably be around 26k. So everytime I look in this 6-wagon discussion I see all these I can't wait for Mazda I'm getting an Audi A6 instead. Heck if you can afford an A-6 what are even looking at a Mazda for. Post 515 if you want a 4-clylinder wagon go with the 6i and put a sunroof in or spend 6-8k more for your Legacy.
  • johnclineiijohnclineii Posts: 2,287
    The Legacy wagon will NOT be 6-8k more than the 6. No way.
  • regfootballregfootball Posts: 2,166
    if the rex is already like 28k and the LL current model is over 30, I can see the high power 05 subie wagon being 30+ very easily.
  • cvtcvt Posts: 4
    I was at the LA Auto Show yesterday, and the spec sheet next to the wagon said that a 4 cylinder wagon would be available, with both 4 speed auto and 5 speed manual transmissions. The wagon at the show was a 6 cylinder manual. I saw some recent posts implying that there would be no 4 cylinder wagon, but the spec sheet clearly stated that there would be. There was no pricing on the sheet.
  • regfootballregfootball Posts: 2,166
    wow........nobody knows for sure, I had heard wagon was 6 cyl. only!

    LOL...MAZDA doesn't even know!
  • dudleyrdudleyr Posts: 3,469
    Legacy wagons are about 19k, the new one won't be much more once the newness wears off. I do fear they will make a sunroof standard though.

    I don't want a sunroof, and I don't want a v-6, and I don't want an automatic - so how would adding a sunroof (which I don't want) to a vehicle I don't want (there is no 4-cyl manual tranny wagon according to early reports) make me want it. What exactly does "your Legacy" mean? I have never owned a Subaru.

    If I move to a sedan, then the Accord makes more sense for me. More room, better mpg, peppier, handles just about as well (neither handles as well as my Integra so it is a step down either way), and optioned exactly as I want it. As far as looks go I could care less. The Interior is the part of the car that I see, not too concerned about what others see.

    The major appeal of the 6 was that a wagon was available. I still may be interested in the Hatch though, as long as I don't need to buy the sport package, or any other packages I would pay more NOT to have.

    The Focus could be a wild card, but don't know if I trust it yet.
  • I misread the part about the sunroof not wanting one makes it even easier. My understanding is the 6-wagon and hatch are going to be same as the sedan as far as options. So figure a 6i sedan is about what the wagon will be my understanding is the pricing will be close to the same. Like I said my wagon should be arriving mid march the hatch's should be hitting the dealers about 2 weeks earlier the according to the build scheduled my dealer got. From what I've look at on Subaru's if you take a base Legacy or Outback you'll be paying more than the base 6i wagon or hatch. If your considering a Mazda 6 of Subaru Legacy why would you even have a FORD Focus as your wild card. Have you look at the Subaru Imprezza base model (not wrx) 18k or the Mazda 3 there's one at my dealer right know decked out with everything its only 22K.
  • joey2brixjoey2brix Posts: 463
    for the wagon with the extra weight. Mazda's got the 6 wagon as a niche in the low cost sport wagon in the higher priced BMW/Saab/Volvo group. Few people are buying the current sedan with the 4 cyl, they're piling up at the dealerships. Most 6 wagon photos don't show a moon roof and it didn't sound like it was going to be produced with one in the early batches. If you enjoy a stick as much as I do, why wouldn't you want that sweet V6?
  • audia8qaudia8q Posts: 3,138
    you say.."Few people are buying the current sedan with the 4 cyl, they're piling up at the dealerships."

    so far the 4 cyl only represents 60%+ of the MZ6 sales,...so I don't have any idea what you mean when you say that few people are buying the 4 cyl.
  • joey2brixjoey2brix Posts: 463
    and use the search inventory on your local dealers. My nearest Mazda dealer has 27 6i in stock and only 7 6S. Now maybe he's overstocking on the 4cyl. But I don't think that's a good move.
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