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HONEST OPINIONS: Are Toyota's Pickups Just as Good as The Big Three?
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The only thing that really bothers me is some people (like obyone) who do not have the b*lls to say that the Toyota Tundra and Tacoma are good trucks (even though he really knows they are).
I have never once said the Silverado was junk. It's not. It's a nice truck, and if I didn't buy the Tundra I would have bought a Z71 Silverado. My friends and I all drive different trucks and do you think we sit around all day criticizing each other's vehicles? No. We usually point things out that are different, things that are better on one model as opposed to another etc...
As big of a Toyota fan as I am I can still point out my own trucks weaknesses.
No truck is perfect. None.
So here is what I don't like about my Tundra...
- I wish it was just a bit bigger (just a bit longer actually).
-I wish it had a little more room in the AccessCab (but I still don't think it is as bad as people say it is).
-A bit bigger tires and maybe an inch larger rims.
What do I like about my Tundra?
- The 4.7 liter V8 is sweet and has tons of power no matter what anyone says.
-The instrument panel is well arranged.
-The truck rides like a luxury car
-It will probably last forever.
-Great looking truck.
- Impressed people give you a nod when you approach a stop.
Ah there are too many to list.
What do I like about the Silverado?
- Lots of room in the Extended Cab
- Plenty of engine choices (and all the engines are strong).
- Great looking truck.
What I don't like about the Chev...
- I don't like the instrumenation design.
- I think the seats sit too high and are not very confortable.
- How come it is so hard to find a Silverado with a rear sliding window?
- Rides a bit rougher than the Tundra, but still rides good...
There, argue all you want I'm done...
-so what you're saying is that when the tundra gets 4 wheel discs it will smoke the 'rado in braking even more than it does now?
Did I forget to mention how much better abs is on curves? LOL!
Quad, the Toyota owners must be brainwashed into thinking that their "pumping" or their brakes is an effective way to stop. It really does concern me that we have these uneducated drivers on the road who like to pretend they have ABS by "pumping" the pedal. Scorpio's parents do the "pumping" even though they have ABS. I do hope someone educates them on how to effectively use ABS. What's even more of a concern is that Scorpio is the second owner to post this pumping pedal thing. At least Bama know better. Hopefully Pluto too.
Good luck on this one now!!
BTW, natureboy1, does your Tundra have ABS? Do you know how to stop your truck in a emergency situation? What's your opinion on "pumping" them ABS brakes? Be honest now.....
http://www.nhtsa.gov/cars/testing/ncap/Cars/2001Pkup.html
The only trucks I see receiving a lower score than the tundra is the S-10 and Sonoma.
Another individual pointed out that the F-150 crash video (against the concrete barrier) wasn't so "super-duty". I guess they never took the time to figure out that Superduty's are F-250's, and can be quite a different truck.
When you pump ABS the computer must start calculations over again and again. The only way an ABS computer knows if a wheel is sliding is by having it slow or even lock. This starts a calculation and triggers a dump valve and starts an electric pump. Once the process has started it is very effective and most systems can pulse the brakes between 10 to 30 times a second. If you pump the brakes all this must start again and the process takes time to start.
By the way, has anyone noticed that the Silverado sometimes pulses the brakes just one or two times on moderate unloaded stops? This is the electronic brake distribution system reducing the brake pressure to the rear discs. The system is sensing the coefficient of friction by getting a feel for the surface and to an extent the amount of load on the truck. If it found no slip (such as when loaded) it would allow the higher brake pressure to remain. My Toyota used a mechanical arm valve attached to the rear axle, but the newer systems are much more effective. I believe the Tundra uses the electronic system also with ABS.
The Silverado ABS system seems first rate. I have used it in 4 lo on ice and was very surprised at how well it works.
Everything I've seen says the tundra can stop faster.
Braking 60-0 mph, feet
Silverado empty: 133 ft
Silverado #1000: 135 ft
Tundra empty: 127 ft
Tundra #1000: 141 ft
first off: the NHTSA is a federal organization. id trust their data, and it says toyota's aren't that safe. certainly not as safe as fords or chevys.
second: its a known fact that the tundra CANNOT keep up with any domestic full-size in hauling, towing, or passenger capabilities. one engine, one suspension, one bed. you must abide by what toyota thinks works in todays construction business or whatever the call for a heavy duty work truck.
third: it may have the TRD off-road pkg. available to it, but read the new Four-Wheeler magazine, and find out just how lousy it is. again, they said its suspension basically sucked and was too car like. actually, they, i quote: "would not recommend for off-road driving". it also had less power and torque than the ford and chevy.
fourth: the bottom line is this- tundra is nice. but it is like having a baby normally. you must take what god gives you. whereas the other three are like selective fertilization. GET WHATEVER THE HE77 YOU WANT! (pretty cool analogy if i do say so myself)
fifth: with all the choices among todays big 3 truck manufacturers, the tundra just can't cut it. it just can't tow as much, haul as much, or carry as many people. there are no arguments to this information at all by you toyota boys. its all proven facts.
conclusion: the toyota boys in japan can outfit the tundra with as many tacoma transfer cases, wheels, tires, beds, suspension systems, differentials, transmissions, and whatever else they use interchangably between the two, but one thing will always be true: they will NEVER compete with the other three trucks on the sales floor or in our society as a respected truck, nonetheless even a "full-sized" truck.
there, the smack was just handed to you on an 8' ford bed that nearly 25% deeper than your tundra. blind consumerism- its what you toyota tundra owners must be practicing. because you did buy your tundra when there are numerous types of configurations out there on the market with more power and options, all for a lot less money. dont see a "limited" silverado do you? its cuz they dont charge you extra for all the goodies. they're included and considered standards.
oh yeah, HAVE FUN WITH THIS ONE NOW!
ivealwayswantedtosaythatwuzuphillbillybob
smile, at least you can trade them in (the blind who bought tundras, and tacomas for that matter).
Yes, taliban seems to like the HiLux, it seems to be serving them very well in
the rugged conditions. I wonder how a Chevy would do as an anti-aircraft
launching platform
What are you basing your post on as serving them very well as an anti-aircraft launching platform? Have any terrorist shot down anything other than couple of drones from the rusted out Toyotas? They are probably all ways falling thru the rusted out beds before they get a bead on bomber or fighter....:)
And, what "rugged conditions"? Are two thousand miles paved roads tuff on Toyotass?
Read the post 'bin Laden's ride' below that was posted a month ago....
bin Laden's ride
While listening to the Sept. 20th Coast to Coast radio show, yesterday,
the guest was Robert Young Pelton, whom has a book "The World's
Most Dangerous Places". I watched this guys 4 wheeling expeditions
and sole survival tips on a couple of Discovery shows.
My ears perked up on yesterday's show when he said he camped
right next to Bin Laden's farm in Afghanistan. He was telling of the
methods of Bin Laden used of raising cash to build his army of thugs
up. He used his Saudi dad's heavy construction equipment to
cut thousands of miles of roads and then paved them. When he got
paid from the road building, he used some of the cash to buy his
wheels of choice for himself.
A brand new shiny red Toyota Landcruiser. And, for his crack team
of rocket launching thugs, he bought 1000 Toyota 4 door Hilux pickups.
I did a googol search and got over 725 hits with bin Laden Landcruiser
and Hilux trucks. I skimmed thru the first 100 or so and read multiple
UN Reports of him spotted at areas of rockets launched from several
Hiluxs, Honda Civics, and Mitsubishi micro vans. A common trend
was that all the vehicles caught fire and burned up from each
rocket launch, killing all the occupants!
Stumpy---Disposable people and trucks, oh what a feeling Toyota...
This same issue also found that when the whimperado with its largest available engine (5.3L) was out towed by the Tundra (and the Tundra got 3mpg better mileage while doing it). Where's the beef?
It's a good thing that you already traded off that Lemonado of yours and took it in the shorts. (Consumer Reports ranks the wimperado as a "Used vehicle to Avoid".)
The Whimperado has less front seat legroom than the Tundra. Edmund's said that it had "Toyota Corolla like footspace. (and they have the nerve to call it "full size"). Hmm: The Tundra comes standard with transmission and oil coolers (optional on the wimperado) Add this to the fact that you have to upgrade the suspension and tires just to put a tow hitch on it and it becomes clear that the Chev just was not built to be worked. When you do - it breaks quick. (Heck - they break quick even when they aren't worked.)
The GMC Denial's base price it $43K. And Quad wants to compare it to the Tundra. LOL. Add the fact that it is an import - (The Denial is built in Canada) and I think I will stay with my US built Tundra.
As much as the Chev pack would like to prop up their runt of the 1/2 ton litter - it just aint gonna happen. Even Chev realizes this - they gave it 40% less powertrain warranty than the Tundra.
BAMA Your summary is insufficient you need to show some numbers.
Ryan
funny enough he didn't respond to tbunder. guees you start getting phsyco like bin laden once you start driving those trucks. hey maybe bama is bin laden and wants to bash American mfg's?
"Another good point made by some people already is that tires affect braking. Toyota sends out their trucks with street tires and Chevy sends theirs out with all terrain tires."
WELLLL - NO. They both send them out with street tires(standard). You infer that Off-road tires hurt braking performance on the street. The Truck Trend article (06/01) compared a Tundra with off-road tires to a Shakerado with street tires. The Tundra demolished the Shakerado in braking performance both loaded and unloaded. Does this mean that the Tundra with street tires would embarass the Wimperado even more?
I hope this clears things up for you.
Its funny because that is all bama can cling to is braking performance everything else the tundra loses. IT must be hard driving a bin laden mobile that you always get passed in.
That's like saying Ryder rental trucks supported McVeigh and Nichols, and Boeing supported the Taliban with their 767s.
That's the dumbest thing I've heard. Really.
Gotta back up your info
Page number would be nice too
Their defenders are running scared trying to change the subject to the Taliban. Sad!
What do you thin GMs new import - the Denalis? 100% assembled in Canada. Those GM execs are getting rich by outsourcing US JOBS!
As for the hummer......alright, so you are comparing a oranges and apples. Real good. Hummer is not that great of a vehicle. Sure, it is used by the army, and it looked fun in "Broken Arrow", but that doesnt mean it's good. It's slow, it's a horrible gas guzzler, it's about.....2x or 3x as expensive as a HiLux. Yeah, it's got armor, but thats what it was designed for. HiLux on the other hand is a simple 4x4 truck.
Rugged terrain: I guess mountains, lack of roads, and desert do not qualify as rugged terrain.
As for the rocket launching: lets not mistake human stupidity for disposability. So they were dumb enough to launch it that way. So they paid for it. The bystanders would make sure not to do it again. Should I start drawing parallels to the driving habits of people in this country? the big US of A might just come out looking stupider than few poor Taliban fighters.
i just want to say thanks Bama, as i did not know that the silverado was tested with all terrain tires, until you pointed this out. should make an even bigger difference if the rado had street tires eh?
By golly, you are needed here.......
In other words get a CHevy Dodge or Ford and give up on bin laden the taliban is going down and your taliban mobile won't be so popular.
bama bin laden sort sounds like a match to me.
"Toyota will have no trouble moving the 100,000 Tundras per year it can build in the new factory at this time."
And you know what, TT was right. Toyota has met its sales figure in 2000 and as of October 2001 Toyota has sold 89,563 Tundras. They will meet the sales figure for this year as well.
The Tundra has been the best launched Toyota ever.
Ford F-Series
753,280+0.7% YTD
October 2001: 102,424
October 2000: 65,225
Chevrolet Silverado
591,224+16.2%YTD
October 2001: 88,881
October 2000: 47,956
Dodge Ram
287,344-12% YTD
October 2001: 30,255
October 2000: 31,395
Ford Ranger
239,768-18.7% YTD
October 2001: 22,098
October 2000: 19,103
GMC Sierra
172,329+7.7% YTD
October 2001: 28,009
October 2000: 13,621
Chevrolet S-10
140,211-26.6% YTD
October 2001: 15,307
October 2000: 19,502
Toyota Tacoma
136,647+12.3% YTD
October 2001: 14,719
October 2000: 11,517
Dodge Dakota
130,691-14% YTD
October 2001: 15,033
October 2000: 14,179
Toyota Tundra
89,563+4.9% YTD
October 2001: 13,281
October 2000: 7,837
"And the Winner is...
Which to pick? In terms of overall performance and sophistication--on road and off--we have to say Tundra. If you need the proverbial "just a skosh more room," and are willing to trade a bit of the Toyota’s polish for it, it’s hard to beat the Silverado. After that, it’s Ford’s F-150 in third place, and the aging-but-still-popular Dodge Ram in fourth."
------ Tundra ----- Silverado
0-60 --- 8.06 ----- 7.79
Load --- 9.86 ----- 9.34
1/4 ---- 16.16 ---- 15.83
Load --- 17.34 ---- 16.88
60-0 --- 125 ------ 141
Load --- 139 ------ 147
Slalom - 56.8 ----- 57.6
In this test the Silverado had the optional 5.3 liter engine and the Tundra had the 4.7 liter engien. The Tundra lost the acceleration and slalom. It won the empty and loaded braking unlike those who said otherwise. Please stop spreading misinformation.
I'm surpised by the under-performance of the s-10, dakota and ranger, while the tacoma out-performed without any pricing or financing incentives.
I think I could sacrifice .27 seconds going 0 to 60 to get a truck that doesn't fold like a pancake in an accident. I sure liked natureboy's pictures. Worth a 1000 words.
So much for the advantage of having 4 wheel disk brakes, at least in this case. That shows how superior *snort* Chevy engineering is - disks not stopping faster than drums.
In the future, Toyota will probably offer a 5.3L V8 or an engine roughly that size. When that happens, the Chevy boys will scrap their 5.3 and then use a Duramax diesel for comparison.
Truly pitiful and pathetic.
Perhaps you do not fly Boeing airplanes these days, because Boeing is an Al-Queda (Not Taliban, get your facts straight by not watching CNN) airplane company?
It's actually interesting to see how the Big3 are singing the patriotic song because they are losing money in this economy. GM with it's 0% really gave the Ford and Chevy a big one, since Chevy and Ford are now losing money with the 0% deals (but they can't ditch it because GM will grab the market share from them), and how Toyota is still going ahead as it always were. I've never seen Tacoma ads on tv before, in the last year, at least. Looks like the big3 need to give incentives just to get the people to buy their cars....like slipping drugs into the beer....just can't get it any other way
Ford F-Series: + 0.7%
Ford Ranger: -18.7%
Toyota Tundra: +4.9%
Toyota Tacoma: +12.3%
"looks like Toyota is slouching too, why else would they offer 0% since you say it is to sell vehicles that aren't selling?" Your words, Tbunder.
Toyota is enjoying an INCREASE (does that mean slouch???) in sales, while Ford a decrease.
Also, Toyota will sell its goal target number - the number of trucks produced (so their trucks are selling). Ford produced more trucks than it could sell, which means theirs aren't selling.
Just thought you'd like to know.
they are offering specials on toyota vehicles so please dont say its the big 3 cashing in on patriotism
Lets look at this 0% deal, shall we?
Chevy announces 0% on ALL models
Toyota announced 0% on Corolla, 4Runner and Tundra.
Not the entire product line has gone to 0%, there are cars and trucks in Toyota that sell anyway, without the drugs in beer. What Toyota is guilty of is making too many Tundras. If you look at the dealership, they have about 4x1 ratio of Tundra to Tacoma, and even though they filled the quota, they can't sell them all. It's a screwup on the Toyota part.
If you are not aware of this simple fact, let me enlighten you on how companies sell stuff to people. First of all, marketing department determines which segment of population the product is targeted at (this happens before the product is released). When the product is complete and is ready for release, the marketing begins an advertisement campaign, which is designed to appeal to that specific segment of population. Hence the american rock classic.
I'd love to see some typical Japanese commercials instead of the stupid song, but it simply would not sell. Why do you think the domestic automakers are doing the "We are doing everything we can to keep the economy rolling"? it is desinged to appeal to the patriotic sense of US citizens. Doesnt make the company patriotic, the company is giving the 0% to stay in the market share, it's all about money. But people hear this caring voice and funeral music, especially with that road rolling into the sunset, they feel an urge to run to the dealership to be patriotic. Then they also buy a cheap plastic flag to stick out the rear passenger door window. This is the same patriotic sense that you have when you accuse of Toyota not being made in the US, stealing work from US workers....well, guess what? You really ought to protest the Bush administration these days, since Dubya is about to "open" the Mexican border, then Toyota is going to be the least of your problems. They'll get you in Iowa too.
Why cant they sell them?
Improving the Mexico is nice, the US needs to do that, because the two countries are tied tightly these days. Don't know how they would do it, inflow of capital would be nice, but with all the tax rebates, and economy down the drain, there wont be any money for Mexico for at least two years.
This made my day
GOOD LUCK ON THIS ONE NOW!!!