Saab 9-3 Sedan

1272830323366

Comments

  • needashaveneedashave Member Posts: 91
    I'm not following your comment. Doesn't Subaru make the Impreza?
  • robr2robr2 Member Posts: 8,805
    SAAB will be marketing the 9-2 which will be based on the Impreza. Location of the ignition lock will be an indication of the vehicle's SAABness and whether or not it will be accepted as a true SAAB.
  • polackpolack Member Posts: 2
    After a few days of playing with the garage door opener on my ARC I was finally succeccful in programing the remote that is located on the rear view mirror.
      I read many posts that said to hold the remote door opener close to the front of the mirror, etc., to program the internal remote. Here is what I found to unlock the key to success. When you're clearing the factory codes make sure that once the L.E.D. starts to blink fast, release your fingers from the the switch on the rear view mirror and the remote door opener. Then hold whatever switch you want to program simultanesly with the door opener switch and as soon as it starts to blink fast release the switch and it should be programmed. My problem was when it started to blink fast I would let it blink too long.
    Polack
  • code7700code7700 Member Posts: 65
    I've twice had the left rear lock fail on me. Both times the dealer had to replace it. Has anyone else seen this?

    And in the front, I hear a plastic-on-plastic (where the locks pop-up) noise that is very annoying. Dealer is going to look at it next time I'm there. It is very subtle, but annoying.

    Anyone else?

    I'm almost afraid to write SaabUSA, as they always say, "sorry, can't help you, talk to dealer."
  • a98gibsona98gibson Member Posts: 21
    Here we go again. My dealer just called to say that the automatic door lock feature was included in the latest software upgrade. I've scheduled an appointment for 5/16 to have it installed along with On-Star (car delivered 2/22).

    Anyone having trouble with their powered drivers seat? After hard braking my seat feels like there is too much backlash in the drive. I get a very slight movement backward when accelerating. It doesn't happen all the time, just after "spirited" driving where I stop quickly.
  • trencher7trencher7 Member Posts: 48
    I would like to know what I should have done to the car when I pick it up for the first time. Should the auto lock feature be standard or do I need to ask for it? Does it auto lock the car after a few seconds after the door closes? Anything else us new 9-3 buyers should know?
  • gbriankgbriank Member Posts: 220
    No problems... We Saab folk stick together!

    >Thanks for the reply. Yes the radio is on when >the buzzing occurs.

    It's the speakers. This is a notorious problem with 9-3's (99-02) when the volume is set high. I am not sure if there is a fix. Anyone have any thoughts? If no one responds, head over to Saabnet.com and see if "Dean" (Saab guru) can make any suggestions.

    >I pulled in the driveway over the weekend and it >started to spit and sputter - the engine light >came on. Parked it over night and went to drive >it the next morning (Sunday). Engine light was >still on and it wouldn't go over 2000 rpm (I >assumed this was limp mode). Took to dealer >today and it seemed to drive fine - not as peppy >but the light was still on. Any thoughts?

    Sounds like the problem lots of folks have been discovering. Saab is gonna have a software patch for the engine management out ASAP. Call the dealer.

    >Also we were supposed to go in next Monday for >the 30 day check up. Had to come in without an >appointment due to the engine problem. Asked if >we could take care of everything at once and the >service consultant said sure. We had a list of >items that needed looked at and he was mad that >we didn't list all of this when we made the >original appointment. Are all SAAB dealers like >this?

    Nope. Mine takes care of me like i'm royalty. Ask to speak to the Service Manager. I find the best way to get across your message is to use "I" and "me" verbage. For instance, "When the service adviser was speaking with me at the last service, I felt as very insulted. I do not feel that I should be treated in that manner after spending over $XXX dollars of my hard earned money." Usually, they will bend over backwards to make sure you're happy.
  • trencher7trencher7 Member Posts: 48
    Didn't realize how the Arc/Vector match up to the C320 in HP and Torque.

    MB C320 215 hp & 221 lb-ft @ 3,000 - 4,600 rpm

    9-3 210 hp with 221 lb @ 2500 rpm

    Not bad.
  • trencher7trencher7 Member Posts: 48
    Didn't realize how the Arc/Vector match up to the C320 in HP and Torque.

    MB C320 215 hp & 221 lb-ft @ 3,000 - 4,600 rpm

    9-3 210 hp with 221 lb @ 2500 rpm

    Not bad.
  • oldsman01oldsman01 Member Posts: 1,203
    I have the same question about XM radio and no one has responded so I assume no one has added it. Not sure why it is not offered on the 9-3 as even low end GM cars like the Cavalier no offer XM. WhenI asked the salesman at the dealer if it could be added, he was unsure as he said the 9-3 uses a fiber optic electrical system and he did not know if an aftermarket XM system could be added.
  • sevencycles2sevencycles2 Member Posts: 10
    Anyone know anything about the alert message "Parking Assistance Sensor Interference?" My new Vector went in today because 2 days ago I got a message "Parking Assistance Inactive - See Dealer." Today, after being checked out by the dealer, I got this new message -- of course it was after the service department closed!
  • regfootballregfootball Member Posts: 2,166
    well, I'll keep it short but here was the main things I got from test drive of the 9/3

    looks- no need to elaborate the 9/3 is very sweet

    interior- everything good. maybe could use a little bigger gauges and the dash plastic could maybe be a LITTLE nicer but otherwise it just feels like home sweet home. the seats were nice and firm. The shifter falls right to hand. Driving position is great. Only operating the radio was frustrating. Who dreamt up that BS? Overall though, loved the dash layout. Note to Saab, REAL cupholders, please.

    handling- sweet, sweet, more sweet. Ride is not harsh in any way, but yet nice and firm. Very stable. Good turning, felt precise. Steering boost just about right on in all cases. Nice light front end with the 4 cyl. mill, not nose heavy like my v8 Taurus SLO. Maybe would like a little quicker steering but maybe the Vector has that. Shifter was excellent. no problems finding gears.

    Power- is this thing really a turbo? Is it really a four cylinder? It can't be only 175 hp. I would guess there's about 200hp and of course lots of torque, as it only takes a blip of throttle to get the boost on, and you don't even really notice it as a turbo unless you check the boost gauge. And there's just a hint of turbo whine, almost not noticeable. Its a smooth, linear surging torque. Not Corvette style torque (brutish and uncontrolled) but just a liquid smooth flow of power from the low to midranges all the way to the top. As far as turbos I have driven my bosses A4 (maybe a 2000 or so) and this Saab is all over that Audi in every way. Average folk would maybe think its a v6 its so smooth and flexible. I recall thinking its powerband was very elastic like a rubber band. I thought the Linear had plenty for most folks by far but yet I would love to try the Vector.

    Trunk's kinda small. So is the rear seat, but who cares.

    Well, suffice to say I really like the car. Not having driven a 3 series I cannot say how it compares, and maybe its shy of that. Same with the newest A4. But this 9/3 I found to be a car I could rock and roll with. I like the lighter weight front end with the no lag turbo (I mean NO lag) and just about perfect size. this may just be the right combination.

    Not sure how a TSX stacks up but that car has no flavor compared to this thing. Would maybe be interesting to compare the CTS and 9/3 also but I'd bet I'd prefer the leanness of the Saab.

    People who buy the high end v6 Passats ought to do themselves a favor and check out the Saab as well.
  • code7700code7700 Member Posts: 65
    Anyone have any idea on how to get SaabUSA to do something? I've contacted them about a few small issues I have had (as per previous E-mail) and each time their answer is friendly but noncommittal:

    "I am sorry that you are having these problems. The 9-3 is a well made car, but unfortunately we are seeing a few new model production bugs. I deeply apologize for the inconveniences these are causing you."
  • bigdonlinebigdonline Member Posts: 1
    I've been reading all of the posts since I purchased an Arc for my wive and a Vector for myself this month. Anyone in the Philly-So. Jersey area looking for a good experience should go to the Great Britains in Willow Grove and speak to Mel Nachsin (this is imperative if you use the GM purchase program to ensure you get all you are entitled to receive) one of the few honest salesmen I've dealt with.

    I've seen questions about adding XM radio and was told by the Service Mgr. about someone who had significant problems with thier 9-3 after doing just that. His exact words were "It was an absolute mess"...
  • oldsman01oldsman01 Member Posts: 1,203
    I was amazed at how the quick the Linear was and the one I test drove was an automatic. I haven't had a chance to go back and test the Arc yet. I think the Saab was the first car with a 4 banger that I've actually liked. And that includes Hondas with their so called wonderful I4s. I didn't notice any turbo lag as it simply felt like your typical DOHC V6 does. Moderate power at first then a good surge of power as the RPMs rise. While I didn't push the engine hard, I didn't notice it being peaky at all as this was something I was concerned with due to is being a turbo. It didn't have quite the low end torque that I am used to with my Intrigue, but power built very quickly. And I'd be willing to bet the Arc and Vector are even better in this regard. Even the sound the engine made didn't sound like a four. And the ride was very nice, firm without being harsh. It's been a while since I drove a CTS so I probably need to go back and drive one and then the 9-3 back to back to get a good basis on how they ride. One thing I remembered from both the CTS and 9-3 test drives is how they take rough spots in the road very smoothly while still handling like in rails. Something I can't say for the Olds as it handles well, but hit a rough spot in the pavement and you know it.
  • trencher7trencher7 Member Posts: 48
    Anyone know if the new 9-3 has a timing belt or chain?
  • wassalljwassallj Member Posts: 14
    Yes, I think it does
  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 267,543
    LOL

    Edmunds Price Checker
    Edmunds Lease Calculator
    Did you get a good deal? Be sure to come back and share!

    Edmunds Moderator

  • regfootballregfootball Member Posts: 2,166
    IMHO, this turbo 4 is better than any other GM v6 currently in production, including the Saturn L v6. By far its better than the 3800. Normal folks would have no clue its not a v6. Its torquey and smooth and linear from down low to up high and has no buzz or vibration in the powerband. Must be a combo platter of balance shafts, sound deadener, and rubber mounts aplenty. I don't care. Best 4 cylinder I have drove. The linear with manual will take my SLO from 0-70 by a half a second or so or more I figure and will stay close with it after that from 70-90 and 100+. The Linear I felt was way more snappier than the v6 manual MAzda6.
  • dindakdindak Member Posts: 6,632
    Can you use your GM points for a Saab down there? Sounds like you liked the new 9-3.
  • mwarblemwarble Member Posts: 2
    I just bought a new 9-3 Vector last night. I noticed after I got home that the climate control display that displays the temperature settings and what not has a block that is not the same color as the rest of the display. The block is where the icons for the defrosters show up when turned on. When not on, I would expect that block to be the same color as the rest of the display, black, but it's not. Is this normal? If not, has anyone else experienced this problem?

    Thanks,
    Marty
  • mwarblemwarble Member Posts: 2
    Has anyone figured out the headlights yet? I just got my new Vector with Bi-xenon lights and can't figure out what headlight control knob is for. No matter what position it is in the headlights are on when the engine is running. This includes the bi-xenon and the halogens that are located just inside the bi-xenons. Funny thing is, when I put the knob in what is considered the off position, the lights for the control knob itself go out, not the headlights. Why would I want to turn the lights for the knob off? So basically I have a knob that's only function is to turn itself on and off. That's cool. They should have put some in the back seat and the kids would have something to play with. If anyone could solve this mystery for me, I'd appreciate it.
  • davide10davide10 Member Posts: 2
    I tried to finalize a lease this afternoon in NY and NJ but pricing was wild.

    I am looking for a 9-3 with either the drivers package or the touring package. 15k/yr for 36 months with only first month upfront.

    A month ago I was quoted $395, today I was quoted $418 and $470. I don't understand the spread and fear that with Saab out of the leasing business (surprised there hasn't been any discussion on that) lease pricing will go through the roof. They have been talking about balloon payments but most dealers readily admit that it will make the cost of ownership more expensive.

    Does anyone know what this means for those of us looking to lease in the next few days?
  • regfootballregfootball Member Posts: 2,166
    dindak- nope can't use it for Saab right now.
  • dindakdindak Member Posts: 6,632
    Bummer. GM amalgamated all the Saturn Saab Isuzu dealers here so we can use GM points on anything in those stores. I think they should do the same down there, it makes for better dealerships.
  • mrblonde49mrblonde49 Member Posts: 626
    Your car came with daytime running lights (lights always on). I had my dealer turn them off. If you want, you can ask him to do that when you bring your car in for 30 day inspection. Keep this in mind: They may tell you that the fog lights have to be disabled to do this (whch is how my car is now) - but I found out through another forum that if you ask them to set it to "rest of world" instead of "US" - that you can have the DRL's turned off AND operate the foglights. There shoudld be a technical bulletin out on this, I believe
  • mrblonde49mrblonde49 Member Posts: 626
    One other thing:

    The orange colored block for the defrost on the ACC is the same way on my Arc. Not a big deal for me
  • mrblonde49mrblonde49 Member Posts: 626
    Taken in fading light, but I'll get some better ones soon

    http://members.cardomain.com/jet93
  • trencher7trencher7 Member Posts: 48
    Anyone know to link to find out about Saab's (GM)incentives for May? I also need to find out if the 0% financing is still going on. Thanks.
  • oldsman01oldsman01 Member Posts: 1,203
    Yeah, I felt the 9-3 was more responsive than the Mazda 6. The 6 had the typical Japanese (dead until 4000 RPM) feel. It's not a bad V6, but has to be revved to come alive. The Saab came alive alot quicker. Coming from a 3.5 liter DOHC V6 in my current car, I was not too disappointed in the 9-3's four. And the one I drove was the Linear, have yet to sample the Arc or Vector.
  • mrblonde49mrblonde49 Member Posts: 626
    I would suggest driving the Arc or Vector.

    I test drove a Linear and loved it, and put down a deposit. Changed my mind a few days later, and ordered the Arc without driving it first (I liked all the extras you got, in addition to the bigger turbo).

    Now that I have driven both, the 210Hp engine takes the great feel of the Linear and goes a step further. I'm trying to take it easy the first few hundred miles, but I was passing some one last night and wanted to see what she had - I floored it for the first time and the thing just took off. Amazing. I had an 86 Vette and this had a similar feel to me up in that 60 to 90 MPH range. And the power is smooth all the way through - not at all peaky as you might expect with a turbo 4
  • regfootballregfootball Member Posts: 2,166
    what's amazing about the 9-3 4 cylinder is how smooth and torquey it is, yet it will rev hard too.
  • thegreatvudinithegreatvudini Member Posts: 103
    The deal has been extended until June 2. Saab took a 2-page ad in the San Jose Mercury News today (5/1).
  • ptrekkerptrekker Member Posts: 51
    Looks like GM is out of the leasing business in New York http://www2.saabusa.com/leasen/default.asp?m=95&t=l&src=9- 3s
  • a98gibsona98gibson Member Posts: 21
    It's interesting to see some familiar faces from the CTS board driving the Saab 9-3. I wanted a CTS in the worst way until I saw the new 9-3 and actually drove one. Stacking up the features/cost for each car made me take home the Saab. I got more grins per dollar. Great value for the price and it's a unique vehicle.

    a98gibson
  • bobbyknightbobbyknight Member Posts: 121
    don't know if I believe it though. Autospies isn't the most reliable source of information. Sounds too good to be true.

    http://www.imakenews.com/autospies/e_article000147578.cfm
  • mikerobmikerob Member Posts: 3
    I found a dealer through saabnet.com who told me how to fix so I could get me dealer to do so. Here are the instructions sent for me to give to my dealer.

    I would suggest a dealer does this, using Tech 2.
     
    In Diagnostic Mode:
    Diag>2003>9-3 Sport
    Body>Exterior Lighting and Horn
    Low beam adjustments.
    F0. Auto Low Beam also in Pos 0.
    Change setting to NO
    6 seconds later,lights flicker and go out. Exit.
     
    Then:
    Go to:
    Fog Lights Front.
    Change to Position 1 & 2 ROW (Rest of World) Program and Exit.
     
    This will give you:
     
    Pos 0 > No Lights
    Pos1 > Fogs and 5 Watt Headlamp / Parking Light
    Pos3 > Low Beam, High Beam, Manual Control of Fogs.
     
    Hope this helps.
  • blitzin1blitzin1 Member Posts: 53
    Excellent info, and just what I needed. Now if I can only convice my dealer that there actually IS an external trunk release that is not funtional, I'll be set.
  • mjwillsmjwills Member Posts: 46
    Yes the dealer did a software upgrade. Seems to be fine now. They also said that the auto close was not available - only for the sun roof, but I cannot figure that one out yet. Dealer also said the auto unlock is still not ready yet. I am working with the dealer due to a gouge in the rim. I noticed a week after bringing it home, hopefully the dealer will replace/repair it. I am not sure if it was there when we took delivery. Thanks for all your help.
  • saablover2saablover2 Member Posts: 10
    Ok i have been a saab coustomer sence 1980.. I have seen saabs come and go i had 2 9000's 2 900's one convert and one hatch. Now im on my second 9-3. My last 9-3 was a 2000 model loaded-viggen- i was lucky... Now i own a new saab 9-3 vector.. The car is okk. I still currently own my viggen which i drive more then the new 9-3. The reason that being is because the old 9-3 viggen has saab heartige and the new one doesn't. Bascilly your can feel the GM when your driving the 9-3 vector... Plus the car has to many buttons, slggish passing at over 80mph--turbo takes longer then expected. Plus to many prepy opitions. And the worst lil torque steer. Which i hate because im so used to having all that torque off the line and around those corners. Plus the no hatchback. That has been saab traditon for a while and there loosing there "quirkey"--feel-style-power-and my loving heart for them. Like i only had one problem before with my last 9-3 viggen which was the oxygen sensor and the fuel pump. Which almost made me stop buyin saabs. But the warmth feel and smell of the saab made me go and buy another saab but this time its missing that feel and smell.. Now all i can see is GM in saab form... By the way i had a tail light blow out and a fog light and my starter went to already in 5 weeks. Which is peein me off and tempin me not to buy a saab agian. The only thing that is keepin me is safty. Which volvo has and thats were im headed...........
  • needashaveneedashave Member Posts: 91
    I guess that means you'll be driving a Ford in Volvo form. Platform sharing is here to stay. It keeps costs down and gives driving enthusiasts something to chat about. BTW, what does a real Saab actually smell like?

    My ARC is the best GM I have ever owned. As the auto industry continues to consolidate, the auto maker's life cycle to bring new cars to market will continue to become shorter and shorter (ala platform sharing, fewer suppliers, higher standards). IMO, brand loyalty will soon become a thing of the past.

    Happy motoring.
  • gbriankgbriank Member Posts: 220
    Saablover2: I can understand your plight. I've have owned 2 Saabs in the last four years and the new 9-3 definitely has lost some of the Saab-esque. Plastic has cheapened, leather isn't as refined, engine torque has dropped, hatch is gone, Euro looks to the interior are gone....but look at the bright side!

    Parts are now readily available across the country (USA) for this car (most are interchangible with the CTS), handling as improved greatly, manu-matic transmissions are now available, problems with the manuals appear to have been fixed (since the last generation), reliability on components (DI cassette) are up, etc...

    You give up some and get some back. GM of Europe, I believe, is doing a good job with their Saab counterparts to turn Saab around. Sales were just not at a high enough level to survive against the likes of BMW, Audi and MB. Are there some things I would like to change on the current vehicle, sure there are. That's why I write Saab letters and get involved in car clinics. Not to mention, Saab corporate does monitor this website along with Saabnet to get ideas. Do you have any ideas on what would make the current Saab a better car?

    As for jumping to Volvo, have you driven one lately??? I have and i'm not impressed at all. Would rather acquire a 1999 or 2000 S70 rather than one of the S60's. Steering preciseness has dropped dramatically since the late '90s. It's almost like Volvo is curtailing its cars to our Grandparents (drives like a Crown Victoria). Don't even get me started on their reliablitiy. I'll stack ANY Saab against a Volvo. Saab wins hands down last generation and the current!
  • gabmangabman Member Posts: 284
    Can anyone out there share their costs on a 48 month lease for a 9-3- Linear (Automatic) with Launch and Touring Package. Thanks
  • dindakdindak Member Posts: 6,632
    They set a Canadian sales record last month and 9-3 sales were up 60% from a year ago in April. I'll take a new 9-3 over an old one anyday.
  • bentlightbentlight Member Posts: 7
    I currently have 1000 miles on my Vector. For the first 800 miles, the turbo would slightly redline and there would be a strong thrust of power (around 3000rpm). After 800 miles, the turbo mainly stays within the white region and I don't experience that surge of power (which I miss). Has any one else experienced this? I'm not sure what is normal. I have alternated between 89 and 93 octane fuel. This doesn't seem to have an effect.
  • oldsman01oldsman01 Member Posts: 1,203
    I guess I'm on the opposite end of the spectrum as prior to the new 9-3, I never would have considered a Saab. The 9-3 Viggen was an interesting piece, but for the price I would have shopped other options. The new 9-3 has attracted me to Saab and it is currently very high on my "next new car" list. I've owned several GM cars and don't see much of their influence(at least GM of US) in the design.
  • wmquanwmquan Member Posts: 1,817
    I'm also new to Saab. Now that I have one, I can certainly appreciate the sentimentality that Saab loyalists have held, even though my 9-3 isn't necessarily a "true Saab" from the purist's perspective. It's certainly opened my eyes to Saabs in general.

    However, it's not like Saab has been doing particularly well in its traditional focus. Is it better to have Saab continue with the "old way" and eventually disappear, or come forward into more modern times in the global automotive market (even at the price of losing some of its "soul")?

    I don't think the GM influence is as pronounced as some fears would have it. GM has been improving, and companies like Subaru still make vehicles that are distinctly Subaru.
  • needashaveneedashave Member Posts: 91
    I thought this was interesting.

    http://europe.autonews.com/files/saab931001.pdf

    Not your father's Oldsmobile...
  • mrblonde49mrblonde49 Member Posts: 626
    I guess I'm on the opposite end of the spectrum as prior to the new 9-3, I never would have considered a Saab. The 9-3 Viggen was an interesting piece, but for the price I would have shopped other options. The new 9-3 has attracted me to Saab and it is currently very high on my "next new car" list. I've owned several GM cars and don't see much of their influence(at least GM of US) in the design. <<

    I'm in this boat too. Never gave Saab much thought (admittedly though, they were probably out of my price range in the past). When I started looking at the 9-3, I was like, WOW. Now that I have replaced my 98 Old Intrigue (not a bad car) with a 9-3 Arc, I can honestly say that the 2 cars aren't even in the same league - and the Intrigue was one of GM's more refined models. I don't see GM when I'm in my car, I see Saab.

    I'm just happy I got all those incentives. :)
  • regfootballregfootball Member Posts: 2,166
    Besides, I'm sure there's a new 9-3 Viggen in the works. Maybe Renault should come to the US again so the people who like the older wierd Saabs will have something to buy.
Sign In or Register to comment.

Your Privacy

By accessing this website, you acknowledge that Edmunds and its third party business partners may use cookies, pixels, and similar technologies to collect information about you and your interactions with the website as described in our Privacy Statement, and you agree that your use of the website is subject to our Visitor Agreement.