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I got a phone call from the dealer yesterday and he stated that order still not places, they were trying to do an allocation and see what was coming to the sister dealerships. I would not mind them to look but I think that 1 week should be more them enough to collect that information.
You have answered my question: so, after placing an order it have to be an order # and estimate production date.
I hope that your car would arrive shortly. Do you know where is it assembled?
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Dear Mr. XXXX:
Thank you ordering your new Camry. I appreciate being allowed the opportunity to earn your business.
This is to confirm your order for a 2007 Toyota Camry XLE in Black (0202) with Bisque leather interior (LA40) and equipped as shown below.
MSRP for this vehicle is expected to be $28,230, and your Delivered Internet Price would then be $25,612 plus tax, tag fees, and the optional $99 tag processing fee. If you choose our Delivered Value Price (with every second oil change free, free loaner car for life, and 10% discount on parts and service), your price will be $369 more.
Your order is subject to availability and subject to any prices changes by the manufacturer. We will be obtaining the vehicle either from the inventory of another Toyota dealer in the area or directly from the factory. Your actual Delivered Internet Price will be Invoice plus $200 plus tax, tag, and processing.
You have authorized us to charge $100 to your Visa account # xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-x656 as a fully refundable deposit on your order, and I understand that you will be submitting a partial on-line credit application this morning.
As I receive information on the status of your Camry, I will pass this along to you. Factory orders for the 2007 Camry are currently taking from two to ten weeks, with four to five weeks being typical.
Again, thank you very much for your order and for the opportunity to work with you. I look forward to meeting with you in a few weeks with your new Camry.
Warm regards,
Fitzgerald Auto Malls
I asked about pricing on the SE here and they said about all they could do was $500 off of MSRP. I said that dealers down the hill were selling LE 4's down the hill for invoice and he told me they could do that too but that the SE was hard to get now and they would not deal as much. He did tell me they would deal on the XLE's but I did not ask how much.
All and all I was very impressed with the internet manager in Victorville. He seemed to be very honest and even told me that the SE's would probabaly come down in price later but now they were selling them as they came on the lot. Pretty much simple supply and demand. I would like to deal with them, because they are in the same town, but I have to go with the best price I can get.
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Note that $100 is a REASONABLE Documentation Fee. Any above that is just profit. If trading in an old car,it's the difference that matters.
Also that the Invoice in your area may be a hundred dollars or so above fitzmall.
www.kbb.com is good but does not include the ADV (TDA) fees passed on to the dealer. Good Luck!
We're looking to buy a Camry 07 SE with V6 as engine. With all the problems I have read about the 4 cylinders on this car , I decided it would be better to go with a V6. The options we want are leather seats, 18' wheels and vehicle stability control. We don't want the other options. We're in the Potomac area, Maryland. So I'm wondering what the price of a similarly equipped car someone has recently paid in the area of Washington DC/North Virginia? Any input is greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Phuc
With the options you stated plus Heated Seats, Mats and wheel locks, this car is only $27,724 MSRP - buy for $25,242. link title
Sounds like you need to go back and read this forum if you want a better price.
You get a better price by ordering the car and I do not mean a LOCATED car. It is your money and your decision.
Lessons learned:
#1) You can easily find a lower price by using online quote and sending emails to dealer asking them to beat prices. This way you get lowest possible and know what options you will get in advance.
#2) 2nd negotiation battle is at the finnance guy's table. This is for the alram, and warranty, extra accessories blah blah... Saleman on the lot or internet manager only deal with price and built-in options. You have to say no and sometimes be rude to stop them from pressuring. I believe the lowest price you can get for warranty here will depends on how much you paid for your car. If you already paid low then they will try to make up by selling you higher warranty.
#3) If you're a guy buying for your sister, gf or mom and bring her w/ you, hahah... make sure you taught her to say no, no like in that Captical One TV commercial, lolz. It's hard to bargain when you have disagreement within your own family.
That's my buying experience... I won't have another one for a year or so. And oh, her Camry is built in Oct so probably won't have that transmission problem. About the warranty, I don't think we can cancel it now, right? Already drove the car home. But anyway, it's really not my money :-) The payment comes out still under the max she can afford so she's still cool about it even I told her she overpaid on ext. warranty, lolz...
Thanks everyone here for your advices.
PS. She got the 84mon/100K Platinum, $0 ded. for $1,300. This can definitely be lower. Someone here reported they got same mon/mile amount for $800 (not sure if it's Platium or Gold level) Another buyer said he/she shopped around at dealers and lowest they could get was $1,275. So I really have no ideas what its true price is. Best strategy for you is to say no and get it later.
1. Keys - How many do you get when you purchase? The unit I drove had that push button start and I imiagine the keys are pretty expenive to replace
2. NAV system - How are the maps updated? Do you have to go back and purchase disks to update the system and if so, how much do they cost?
As I said, I am also looking at the Lexus !S 250, which is more plush, but will probably cost me more in the end (higher cost to buy and maintain). Thanks for the advice
I find it interesting the cars you're comparing. I too was interested in the IS but found it a tad small for my primary vehicle. I decided to go for the high mpg (currently averaging 39.22 over 15,200 miles) and get the hybrid. I am in hopes though that at the end of the three years (to keep my tax credits in WV) that the ES350 is available with the hybrid system. If the IS ever became available with the high performance Lexus set up (v6 and hybrid) I'd probably be willing to live with the size and a little less FE.
I am planning to buy 2007 Toyota Camry LE in Kansas State. One of the dealer quoted me the price of $19,700(with documenation charges + mats). Is it worth? any one got any good deal than this in any of the dealer? Please let me know, am in hurry need to buy vehicle in 2 days..
Help would be appreciated
CA,RF,CF,SR & EJ. The MSRP of the car is $24,899 & the Invoice from Edmunds is $21,933 however the dealer is saying the invoice is $22,320 (Includes TDA of $377 & fuel charge of $10). The dealer was nice enough to fax me the original Invoice which tells me that he is trying to be fair (??)
Wanted to know if I can negotiate the TDA fee or not. I need to pick up the car this week.
BTW this is for a car I am purchasing in the SFO Bay Area, Northern Calif.
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Camery SE V6 (6 Speed Auto)
Options: Tilt/Slide Moonroof (SR), Carpet Mats and Truck Mat (PV50), Window Tint (TW), Leather Faced Seats (LA)
MSRP: $28,176
Dealer Invoice Price: $25,604 (As stated by dealer)
Dealer Invoice Price: $25,177 (As stated by Edmunds)
Negotiated Price: $25,601 (before $399 doc fee, tax, tag etc)
I feel like I negotiated a pretty good price. I think that a $399 doc fee is a joke! I know that its not quite as low as some of the prices that I have seen at fitzmall.com. After I considered my trasportation costs and the hassle to drive up North to purchase the vehicle, I decided that this may be my best option. Please let me know what you think. Thanks. :confuse:
I have not really started to look for one yet but I got a call today that they had some V6 SE's in. The dealer told me he had great news. (They always seem to have great news) He told me they were having a sale on the SE's and they were $1000 off of MSRP. I just laughed and reminded him that they had already offered me about $2000 off MSRP on another SE. I told him to call me back when he can do it for a couple of hundred over invoice. I had a dealer offer me $100 over invoice on an XLE the other day. I really like the SE but I am not willing to pay the premium they seem to want right now. I might end up with the XLE. I think my wife likes it better anyway.
One reason I think that I was able to negotiate the price that I got is because this car was slated to go to another dealer. Since he didnt have it on his lot, he wasnt able to hold out for more from another buyer.
That seems to me like another dealer "BS" comment to convince you to pay a premium or to make you feel "special" with the deal (which is an OK thing). Let's see, 20% of 400,000 cars means they plan to sell about 80,000 V6SE's. Considering the Camry sells to a lot of folks as a family car (XLE's) and an economical commuter (base models) and just a basic appliance car (LE's), then finding 80,000 people that want a Camry with spoilers is about where Toyota marketing figures the sales point should be. In other words, 20% supplies the expected market, it does not make it "limited" or a short supply car and as such it will, if not already, soon be discounted like any other Camry. Those of us that paid MSRP for the hybrid model had to do so because of two factors. One is the new camry design was hot, but the other was the backed up demand for the hybrid and getting it for the tax credit expiration date. Had it not been for the tax credits, I would have simply waited until they were sitting on the lots unsold and expect a discount. It will eventually happen to the hybrids (if they indeed make 4000/month) and it most certainly will happen with the SE. There is just too much good competition for the SE for it to not compete financially with its competitors. Then again it's just my opinion.
BTY, your deal sounds good
This math is incorrect. I think what you meant to say was "20% of 400,000 cars means they plan to sell about 80,000 V6s TOTAL of all model types (including LEs and XLEs)." So in reality, if the V6s they make are spread around evenly to the 3 models, that means they plan to sell between 25K and 30K SE's....not 80K. So, they would be quite a bit more limited than you thought.
You're right I didn't look at his comment close enough
So, they would be quite a bit more limited than you thought.
However my point is still valid. Toyota marketing will determine the split on the vehicles based on what they think will sell. Toyota is not into the building of limited edition vehicles. If 30,000 is indeed the number I assure you that is where they think the demand will be. The initial flush of interest always skews the demand numbers but they won't want customers walking away because they can't get an SEv6. However they may indeed loose a few to the competition while they work towards meeting the initial demand.
Bottom line, many people that just has to have the first one usually pay $1000+ over what they would if they wait 6 months. To some people that's OK. However to many that's a lot of extra $$$'s to spend, especially when I read on these postings a lot of "did I get a good deal" postings.
The real question should be is this the best deal I can get. If I made less than $40,000/yr or so, I would say no, you need to wait. If your income is such that you can blow an extra $1000 then go for it.
In this particular case I believe the deal was good anyway. The processing fee was high, but it will probably be a geographical thing and he's pay that no matter which dealer he goes to unless he's willing to travel.
I believe the dealer gave some "feel good about the deal" comments which is OK because they didn't gouge him. many other posters though in the last few months have indeed paid MSRP or close to get their SE because the dealer claimed they were "limited". Yes they are limited to how many Toyota can build as quickly as they can to meet demand. But that does not make them a "limited" vehicle as in "collectable" such as a Ford Cobra or other limited production run vehicles.
Ask the poor suckers who bought PT Cruisers a few years back for $2000 over MSRP if they got a good deal.
Patience Pays!
I don't know if you left out options or not but I get an MSRP of $28,925 and dealer invoice of ~$26,000 for what you listed.
I bought a similar vehicle the first week they were out in March w/o the NAV and Spoiler but with Floor mats for $300 over dealer invoice. It was $24,937 +TTL. This was in the Seattle area.
You can pay anything you want to!
If I was buying one now, I wouldn't pay over $200 above dealer invoice.
I am looking to buy a 07 Camry SE (standard w/4cyl), but i dont know how much i should pay for it . IF anyone have already purchased one please let me know how much did the car cost OTD . Thank You
Another dealer i St. Louis was advertising them for something like $19,188 with 20 in stock. Looks like inventory is building a little.
If you don't care about saving money go to the dealer and haggle.
Dealer invoice is the manufacturers invoice (edmunds.com or kbb) + TDA (~ $500).
The dealer gets a holdback from the manufacturer off the invoice price. If they are a volume seller, a few hundred over invoice plus their holdback makes them a lot of money + their parts and service margins.
You should be able to buy for $2,500-3,000 under MSRP. Just don't fall for the dealers tales of woe or their extended warranty, special coatings, etched windows, Lojack and all their other high margin crap.
Thanks,
VJ
I checked out Edmunds website, it says invoice price is $19,338.Is this good price?
As for the service warranty, only getting a 55,000 warrant means they won't be providing the 60,000 mile service, which is probably the only real "big" service cost. You should be able to calculate what 55,000 miles of service will cost and see if you got a good deal. In 55,000 miles you'll have 9 oil services ($30-$40) along with the 15K, 30K and 45K services. My 15K service was $129 (includes oil service). The 30K is about $250 (includes alignment).
I'm not sure what the teflon "thing" is but it sounds like a high dollar, low value dealer addon.
1. 7yr/100,00 maile warranty. -- $1495
2. 4yr/55 thousand maintenace -- $1095
3. Teflon coating for exterior and interiors -- $116.50
After I signed everything, and checked this site I relaised that 1495 for that 7yr/10,000 was a bit on higher side. More over as you said, its sensible to take this extended warranty after the 36,000 miles. I'll take to the dealer and take that 7yr/100,00 warranty thing off so that I can be content that I didn't pay more...
If you don't care about saving money go to the dealer and haggle.
I may be brain dead, but I've looked at these two comments all day and just have to ask, what are you trying to say?