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23 Telluride SX-P X-Line, 23 Camry XSE
If you want the towing package...I would buy it at hondacuraworld.com and either do it myself or have a local shop that will only charge you labor do it. You can save a lot that way. I am contemplating the same thing for my MDX.
Either way I wouldn't pay the dealer if you aren't going to tow with it.
I'm ready to buy the car, and if I have to get the whole tow package, I want to get it at the time of purchase so it is covered by the 3 year manufacturer's warranty.
Brent
Just curious, which SUV's have the vinyl third row seats besides the MDX?
Two of the vehicles with third rows, that are most often compared to the MDX (ML and XC90) have available third rows that are made of leather. The MDX is usually considered to be in the same general price class as them (though obviously at the lower end of that scale).
Not that I'm complaining. The third row is really for kids and I don't think it's a high priority to give them leather.
23 Telluride SX-P X-Line, 23 Camry XSE
The book says 86 or higher and premium is recommended when towing in certain conditions.
-Pete
Now the seat in my 200 Odyssey - those WERE short!
I've looked at the specs, so what I'm looking for is opinions of people who have driven both and really had a good look inside both vehicles.
Thanks in advance for any help.
You may want to wait and see what changes take place when the 2004 Ody's come out.
23 Telluride SX-P X-Line, 23 Camry XSE
Both my wife and I do see the significant value of the Pilot versus these other two options.
The ONE thing keeping us from just acting on the Pilot is the interior materials used in the EX L!
First we are not crazy about the perforated leather. There seems to be WAY too many different textures and colors in use. The center console has smooth plastic of one color, carbon fiber looking plastic in another color, the seats are one color but the door armrests are another color, the A pillars are one color but the headlinet another etc!
IMO the MDX and XC90 have very attractive dash/interior, as does the new Accord Coupe. The Pilot may take some getting used to, or is a compromise....
It even makes my '96 Trooper interior look elegant, or at least consistent color-wise.
Am I in hostile territory bringing this up here? Or is there others who share the blues over how Honda treated the interior?
Indestructable, utilitarian, plastic...it is a great truck interior, one that my kids can climb all over and not break anything.
I checked out the Pilot (post MDX purchase) and didn't like the feel of its interior. While all plastic (like the trooper) the center console didn't feel that durable. It seemed like a child climbing over it would break it.
How would you compare the MDX/Pilot to the Trooper. A few things about the Trooper I don't like: top heavy handling, about 13 mpg (with a 5-speed, no less), no third row seat. Things I like: it's a real SUV, no quasi-car tires and low ground clearance. We managed to get through all snow this winter that had Grand Cherokees choking. If I'm going to get SUV gas milage, I at least want to get SUV performance.
Give me your thoughts please. Thanks.
First 2 row space/comfort is very close too. Both have wide roomy cabins. The mdx has a little more usable space with the seats down.
Beyond that there isn't much else. The MDX zooms over 60 MPH, and handles much like a car. I wouldn't even think about take it offroad to the places I take the trooper (I go pretty far offroad), however it has a very good AWD system and is probably much more competent than I give it credit, it is just that it probably cannot take a boulder bash on the underside and survive.
The Pilot may be tippy in corners like the trooper, because it supposedly has a softer suspension than the MDX.
Forget about mileage, I get 13-17 in the trooper, 17-25 (town/highway) in the MDX, which makes road trips much nicer with less stops. The MDX also has a much quiter cabin for highway travel.
Kind of ironic that sort of ended up with 2 Acura's...since the Trooper really was the SLX for a few years.
If you don't have real offroad requirements, and do have family concerns, I would get one of the Honda's, they will take you through a foot of snow (I know I went out is 12+ in the MDX and it did well), very reliable and very nice. I think there is no bad choice picking either honda.
I like having both a truck and car based SUVs, both are fun to drive and have their own personality...I cannot put down either, it really depends on what your requirements are?
thanks in advance.
Question is: Does the Pilot or MDX have enough seat width for 2 baby car seats on the 60 side of the 60/40 second row bench? We would need to leave the 40 part open so older kids can access the back??
Question 2: Are we nuts? Should I just suck it up and look at the Odyssey? I dislike vans and like the AWD/clearance features of Pilot/MDX as we go camping in the summer....
Any thoughts?
The seat handle is supposed to be down when driving...we have to put our rear facing infant seat behind the passenger because it effects my driving position too much...so we cannot actually use the 40 part of the seat. We use the latch system for the rear facing infant seat, they are only available on either side, not the center.
However...you should be able to fit three across the 2nd row seat. Access to the 3rd row is much easier it you just leave 1/2 the seat down and climb through the liftgate...sort of like a 5th door. So 3 in the second row and 1 in the 3rd might work?
Tough call...It sounds like you need the odyssey. Good luck with everything.
If you want AWD, look to the new Toyota Sienna. It's pricey compared to the Odyssey but actually has more room and the magic seat is split, so you can still get good cargo room if you only need to use part of the third row.
I heard from Honda dealership that there is a good possibility that new '04 ODY will be AWD to compete with the Sienna, but not a sure thing. Won't know more until Summer.
Due to how new the Pilot is, it might be hard to find replacement glass. There is no magic pill on this one, other than to call around and compare prices to the relative intelligence level you find on the other end of the phone. Dealers or autobody shops are probably your only choice.
23 Telluride SX-P X-Line, 23 Camry XSE
23 Telluride SX-P X-Line, 23 Camry XSE
23 Telluride SX-P X-Line, 23 Camry XSE
For example, My isuzu had 245/70R16 tires. I swtiched to 265/70R16. This increased the overall ground clearance about 3/4 of an inch and tire ride height about 1 1/8 (tires are flatter on the bottom). This effects my odometer by a ratio of 1.077%, MPH slightly and changes the final drive ratio from 4.3 to 4.1.
You should read tire rack to see what each of the numbers mean and how to interpret such information. There are a lot of options by changing tires and rims.