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If the Mexalanche is such a hot seller - why is Chev tying $1000 bills to it trying to sell it?
Did you know the Mexalanche destination charge is more than the Tundra? It must be expensive shipping them up from Mexico. Chev figures they will shaft the US auto buyers for their Mexican production facility!
It is a shame that GM is outsourcing US jobs to Mexico. They are also building plants in Mexico while at the same time closing down US plants. What is Toyota doing? - building new plants in the US and employing US autoworkers. Which is better for the US economy?
At least the GM execs are getting rich. Thank god for that!
I like to support US autoworkers. That is one of the many good reasons why I bought a Tundra.
It is sad to see GM squander all the profits they made from trucks/SUVs in the 90s rather than invest that money in making better cars. GM, and more so Ford are in for the battle of their lives. It is make or break time. Once the JDM big three decide to target a market and increase their shares, they will not let go. Just wait and see. Remember that history is on my side. Import cars make up 50% of the car market and Lexus is the number one luxury car maker in sales in the US. Lexus has only been around since 1989.
That came from one of the thousands of disgruntled GMC customers who has vowed to "never, ever" again own a GMC product.
Perhaps there are so many discontent whiners raising a fuss about the Tundra because they're about to have a repeat history lesson on what happens when Toyota (and others) decide to enter a vehicle market - and they don't like it! Boo-hoo!!!
Blah, blah, blah... You can what you want about a truck being a truck, but they've all said the Tundra has qualities of both a truck and a car. It has the quality, style and refinement of a Lexus and the same truck prowess when compared to any 1/2 ton on the market...
As for a Tacoma drivetrain... I don't think so, but maybe some of the parts are shared between the two trucks. That's like saying the 4.3 liter S-10 and base Silverado engine should also be criticized. You don't see Toyota people mentioning this do you? I don't care if my truck has Echo parts. It can work (I'm a contractor I know), it can play and it will more than likely outlast every domestic truck owner's vehicle on this board. The Tacoma must have some pretty strong parts to survive those IIHS tests better than the domestic trucks. You heard me...
Well, maybe not as guilty as Toyota. You have to remember that when it came time to building a true heavy duty truck, GMC had to rely on Allison and GULP - ISUZU!!! for the drivetrain.
No GMC part sharing when it comes to engines and transmissions, they had to enlist the help of Japanese manufacturers...
And did you forget that Isuzu (a company GM has a controlling interest in) is only one third of the team that made he new 6.6?
Bet you cant name the other two.
And doesnt GM own a portion of Allison as well?
It's a good thing GMC is using an ISUZU engine for their diesel applications, because the GMC diesel engines were so horrible nobody would probably ever buy another GMC diesel.
Another interesting fact: GMC's Vortech engines are suffering from engine knock and the company is having to arbitrate with thousands of disgruntled owners in the forms of buybacks and extended warranties. It's amusing the ONLY engine that is operating properly in GMC's truck line-up came from ISUZU.
Basically, GMC couldn't make a diesel, and their gas engines knock like diesels...
I'll let you get into the specifics of who made what and who owns what in the ISUZU/GMC partnership. The fact remains the GMC boys criticize anything with a Japanese nameplate EXCEPT when it's used in a GMC product - then it's the best thing since sliced bread.
I think that this just shows mindless brand loyalty. If a brand name toothpaste turns your teeth green it is a Chev. If a much better brand toothpaste causes your teeth to be white - the Chev pack would believe it is a fluke!
Man! The Chev boys need a little education!
While not a fan of the 6.2/6.5 diesels, they ARE NOT CONVERTED gasoline engines.
Your mis-info would pertain to the Olds 5.7 diesel which even though was accused of being a converted gasser was still quite a bit more stout than a 5.7 gas motor.
I was at the LA auto show when the Lexus was on display in 1989 and the cars were placed in tents in the middle of nowhere. There was little interest from those at the show in Lexus. I went to the Auto show in 2002 and the Lexus display took center stage and was crowded with on lookers.
Chev/Ford folks do not learn their lessons from history. They seem to think that the truck market is impenetrable by the JDM big three. Just wait and see....
Only time will tell.
Harry
kip
I see little objection from anyone to the statement that Toyota makes better quality vehicles. Although few give Tundras a chance in the environment that trucks were intended for (ie. hardcore work, hauling, etc.), I have heard nothing negative from those who actually do test them in such a field. True, they are smaller with a smaller available powerplant -- but are they really that disadvantaged, give em a chance. I really believe that all the negativity stems from extreme brand loyalty. I was guilty of it once, too, but no more.
twowheeler-no backup or deathwish,just stupid.I had a shovelhead for 10 years before the V-MAX.After an hour ride,I saw the road house with the bikes in front and a beer seemed like a good idea.The ownerr ,who I know ,asked why I wanted to start trouble when I walked through the door.I left very embarrased in a barrage of cat-calls and sexual-orientation jokes.Just like a "b"movie.The funny thing is,I don't remember ever being on the giving end of that kind of thing.Maybe memory is selective?
kip
It made me wonder why they were even riding together.
It should also be noted that GM and Ford already exceed Toyota on most of the things on your list(not all - but most) that is why many more people buy GM and Ford trucks than Toyota.
Maybe the question you should be asking yourself is why did you buy a truck that is lacking in so many things?
I think the HD's have improved in reliability after AMF sold the company, but still not up to par with the Beemers or Japanese bikes. Beemers are notorious for living into the 300K - 400K mark without having to tear into the engine.
Anyways, back to trucks...Do the big three sell any trucks outside of North America? It's kinda weird to see news footage of Afghans tooling around in Toyota pickups. However, no suprise, Toyota is very popular worldwide (cars and trucks). Not sure if Toyota sells the Tundra (or under a different name) elsewhere.
I can tell you one thing my grandparents have went through alot of toyota camrys through the yrs and as of late the quality of the last 2 has been very low. My grandpa swears by toyota but after the problems with his 2000 if he buys another new car i wouldnt be surprised if it was not a toyota.
What i dont like about em and made me choose the chevy.
1. Backseat. I dont haul people in the backseat everyday but when i do i couldnt be cruel to them
2. front end. Not a fan of the front ends (grill) on the toyotas.
3. Interior. Seemed to much like a camry
Looks are a major selling point and if you said one of the reasons you didnt buy it was looks you would be lying
I had a friend back in Lebanon who used to own one and it was used to deliver heavy propane gas tanks. That thing took so much abuse driving on the narrow, potted hillside that makes the majority of Lebanese roads.
The Taliban mastered the use of the 4x4 HiLux as a weapon of war. It gave them a great reliable and fast truck that they can use in their offensive when they took the country by a storm in 1996. They used to attack their enemies with columns of fast moving HiLux packed trucks.
Now that the Taliban are vanquished, the other fighter have taken over the HiLux trucks and use it in warfare. It has become a staple of Afghan war making.
About the Hi-lux. I believe they come with a decent sized turbo diesel. Up until a few years ago, they came with a solid front axle as well. They are the portrait of bullet proof, for sure.
I hope everyone understands, though, that these trucks were not donated to the rebel gov'ts by Toyota. They were bought just like any other truck, and in fact Toyota has donate some trucks to US forces in that region recently, Hiluxes and Tacomas -- I believe.
Diesels, solid front axles etc. Look up the Land Cruiser used across the pond compared to what's sold here. I just can't picture the IFS, I-force torsion bar equipped LC launching missiles.
Besides, what better to do a suicide bombing mission in than an expendable toy?? LOL!!!!
Tom
Interesting to note, U.S. special forces were using ATVs and trailbikes to defeat the taliban and al queda.
Tom
I never said a S/C is the ultimate tow vehicle.
Read this slowly and as many times as necessary, Tommy -
I said that if:
1. You want to tow over 10,000 ft.
2. You are towing only 3500lb.
3. You do not want a diesel.
4. You want a full factory powertrain warranty.
A Tacoma with a S/C would be the best choice. I have not heard the Chev boys come up with a better solution. I just keep hearing this high pitched whining sound coming either from them or their allison trannies.
I hope you can eventually get this Tommy! Good Luck!
Bob