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  • "My take is they are not shying away from it, but you're not going to see a high powered engine in a $30K automobile"

    You would think he meant having the highest HP in every segment it competes in.
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    "They want to win !"

    If you don't like the HP in the new 3 and want to win, you can certainly wait for the new E90 M3 with the 400hp V8. If that's to tame you can get the M5/M6 with the V10.
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 64,749
    I think the 545i is actually a 4.4 litre.... and the new 550i will be a 4.8 litre..

    I guess 544i and 548i, just don't roll off the tongue... ;)


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  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    530i -- 3.0 liters -- 255 HP -- 220 lb-ft
    545i -- 4.4 liters -- 325 HP -- 330 lb-ft
    550i -- 4.8 liters -- 360 HP -- 360 lb-ft

    Best Regards,
  • Well yeah, but if the IS doesn't handle as well as the bimmer, they aren't going to get those buyers.
  • I also purchased a G when they were first released and had to wait for it ... 4 months actually and I never had one problem well actually one but it was the rear fold seat latch that broke no biggie. I guess you did have a lemon and every car manufactor does except maybe the exotic hand built cars. Infiniti also was # 1 in relibality 2003 i believe and where was BMW ? Not in the top 10 !
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 64,749
    Guess that takes care of the horsepower wars...


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  • If what Lexus said about the IS350 is true BMW is going to need more then what its got to remain King of the class !
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 64,749
    335i.. turbo six...


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  • Thank SAAB for that turbo ! Well I have a feeling Infiniti will sneak attack with a bad [non-permissible content removed] sedan version of the GT-R Coupe. Did I hear a Twin-Turbo V6 with 450Hp, in the air ? you can also expect an early redesign of the G esp with all these new releases in the class coming out .
  • What will this turbo six be putting out you think ? I think no more then 335hp
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 64,749
    Then, you'll have the new M3 with the V-8..

    Doesn't matter... we passed up my budget right around 215 hp..... :P


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  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 64,749
    Not sure.... they get 333 hp out of the current M3 with a 3.2 litre straight-six... So, I don't know why they couldn't approach 350-375 hp with a turbo-six...


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  • Its a poss... I think the new GT-R is going to be overpriced thou. They said in the 70's which I dont know if I would pay ! What will it be up with the M6 ?
  • bmwe90bmwe90 Posts: 16
    The class is defined by much more than 0-60 times. I'm not entirely convinced BMW has sweaty palms worrying about some car companies that Japan cooked up in the late 80's and early 90's. And let's say one BMW exec does - I would guess he's probably head of the M department. I think the fact that lexus has only one vehicle which we can really consider "performance oriented" while BMW has not only numerous performance oriented vehicles (any of the larger output engines on all series) but several "super high performance" vehicles (M3, M5, & M6) indicates that lexus is trying its best to get a foot in the proverbial door. Thats about all lexus has managed to get in so far.
  • blueguydotcomblueguydotcom Posts: 6,257
    Did you bother to take a look at the new Lexus IS350 on the internet. It will be out this fall. Also did you look at the G or the Saab ? Look at everything before you make a decision

    The IS350 has a much smaller back seat than a 3 series.

    The G35 is best if he wants room.

    Saab...uh why is a Saab mentioned in the same breath as RWD cars?
  • taxesquiretaxesquire Posts: 681
    If it's sporty, it belongs in this thread. You're not discounting all automatics, as opposed to manual transmission vehicles, are you?
  • blueguydotcomblueguydotcom Posts: 6,257
    I purchased an Infiniti G35 soon after they were released. It was in the shop for 69 days within the first 8 months of ownership. Nissan was horrible to deal with in any respect....if you can live with the fact that you paid almost as much for a car that is manufactured by a company who's claim to fame is the Sentra - and you dont mind cost cutting measures literally surrounding you - choose the G. In defense of the G, It is probably the car that comes the closest to the Bimmer as far as handling, but it has a long, long way to go before many people would choose it over a 3 series.

    I can say the same about my 330i. 4 months and BMW's current "solution" for the common 3.0 4k engine hesitation is rather draconian: they disable the second set of valves so the engine loses top end power. But it no longer hesitates, they said to me with a straight face. Great, I've been to BMW 4 times in 4 months and this is their solution for a known problem with the 3.0 engine?

    Every company builds some problem cars....
  • I am sorry I should have not say the company as a whole. But I am pretty sure that the IS350 will be a good contender against the 330I and the G35. Yes BMW was around a lot longer then any of the Japanese auto makers but it doesn't make them any better ! Is Mercedes - Benz better because they were the first auto manufactor ? I believe that BMW has more then sweaty palms. Figure Infiniti GT-R is going to take the M6 and then a high performance version of the M45 with the same TT-450Hp V8 will take the M5. The Infiniti Flagship is holding them back. Then all they need is a couple of convert's and you got yourself a full line up ready to go head to head with BMW. Give it to 2008.
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    "Figure Infiniti GT-R is going to take the M6 and then a high performance version of the M45 with the same TT-450Hp V8 will take the M5."

    By the time the GTR comes around BMW will be out with a 600+hp monster. Of course you may be paying $6/gallon to fill up the GT-R or 600hp monster, but that's another story.

    What a company has done in the past helps it's future. I'm sure you would like to see BMW lose, but it's probably not gonna happen.

    As far as Mercedes as a car company, they still build the best cars to get in the drivers seat, with the widest variety. As I said previously on these boards, if MB is going downhill then why do I see so damn many new high-priced MBs in my neighborhood?
  • Did he say he needed RWD maybe he lives in snowy climates the Saab will plow thru the snow while the RWD IS350 and the 3'S RWD and the RWD Infin will be stuck in the garage. Look at the Acura TL too.. AWD G is great also.
  • I figured low 300's because of the new M only having 400 ponies
  • Yes but there 600+ monster of a car will be a lot more then $70,000 ! The price will more like be $170,000. Mercedes is not going down hill ! I never said that most of the people in my neighborhood drive Mercedes.
  • bmwe90bmwe90 Posts: 16
    We should really categorize and prioritize problems. My Infiniti was undriveable at times - leaving me stranded often, which makes the problem with your 330 pale in comparison. I would have at times given anything to experience engine hesitation at 4k. I was put into a rental car that in order to maintain pace with traffic and not pose a hazard had to pretty much stay above 4k at all times. The law firm who handled my lemon law case repeatedly told me that Infiniti was the worst company to deal with. I was turned down by several attorneys who when they found out my car was branded Infiniti, wanted nothing to do with it. Call a lemon law attorney and drop the name Infiniti and watch them run. They are hell on wheels. Meanwhile I was in the court parking lot the day I received my handsome settlement (even the devil himself sometimes gets caught, and when he does boy do they make him pay) and guess who shows up in a M3- the corporate attorney for Infiniti. I guess actions do speak louder than words...
  • Lets start somthing new cause I am tired of talking about BMW....
  • Thats funny because when my scheduled mantaince comes around along with the time the fold down seat broke I received a current Infiniti model and I know The the G35X or the FX45 they usually give me is not working its [non-permissible content removed] off to keep up with highway traffic usually it is the highway traffic trying to keep up with me ! One more thing wouldn't he be representing Nissan Corp. since Nissan is the parent company.
  • bmwe90bmwe90 Posts: 16
    I got tired of talking about them before I bought 2 german cars. :blush:
    It's funny because after I got my first I couldn't stop talking about them. If you want to still talk about cars in the class may I recommend another top performer that now deserves a little newfound conversation. The MB C350. I just got the E350 and the engine is great, i can only imagine it in an even lighter, more nible car.
  • Yes the new engine 268 hp V-6 right ? Sounds great when I looked at them the engine was awful small . That was a big turn down !
  • bmwe90bmwe90 Posts: 16
    I got a complimentary Dodge Neon from the 90's from my lovely dealership. Oh- I lied, one time they gave me an old Sentra to drive around in for 36 days. I'm not sure about traffic struggling to keep up with me :confuse: but I was struggling to justify why I was making payments on a G and driving a Neon.
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