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1. '05 Silver/Gray 6,155 $31,888
2. '05 Anthracite/Black 4,177 $33,995 (I like this combo the best but NOT the price)
Was there a signifant change between '04 and '05? I tried looking on the Acura website for this info but wasn't successful in finding it.
Thanks again, everyone.
BTW...you did ask a question on the 'help me choose' forum. You might want to check that one out if you have not yet...as a number of us have responded.
Why I would recommend? If you enjoy the luxury of a Lexus, then the TL has the mix for you. The interior is definitely superior to the G35...and will remind you of the Lexus GS series. It even rivals my 2004 BMW 7 series.
Features....it has all the items you have indicated. Bluetooth...controls, etc. If you order them through the G35...you are looking to add $7k above the TL through a package.
Stereo...6 CD indash changer...with 8 speakers with universally accepted superior performance. Controlled with buttons on the steering wheel.
Dual climate zones. Power seats. All the features you indicated are included in the model without any premium packages to buy.
Performance...well it has 270 hp and the latest Car and Driver magazine shows that it can easily keep up with the BMW 3 series. Past reviews from others show a very competitive performance to others in its class.
As for pricing...you can get a non-navigation TL for about $30.5k...nav for about $32k. G35...$37k+ with horrible 16MPG in mixed driving. Get a similarily equiped BMW 3 series...pay $48k. Lexus GS...pay $50k+.
If you really want something different...look at the TL in Dark Green exterior with the Parchment or Camel interior...which will have wood trims included at no cost. That is sharp and similar to the Lexus interior.
So yes...you can have the world! And you will never pine to drive your Lex again
A base G35 6mt coupe is $33,350. Add in the premium package ($2450), Navigation ($2000), XM radio ($400 a must if you are going to compare to the TL), splash guards ($210), plus destination ($610). Total MSRP = $39,020.
Quotes I received a month ago were at $37k+. Perhaps I could have negotiated pricing further down...but I determined the TL was for me.
To substantiate my claims...go to the "G35 prices paid and buying experiences". Review recent posts #2625 and #2627. Pricing of $37,030 and $37,700 respectively.
Where you got $29k for a non-navigation G35 I do not know..as the base msrp is already $33k without any premium package. A stripped down version with nothing...no sunroof...nothing....when the original poster was one that required amenities and in order to compare to the TL.
Am I biased and not true? I hope to be correct in my assessment. Let me know if I am incorrect in my pricing calculations and whether the pricing posted above are incorrect.
Invoice on a TL with Navi is $32,555 and TL without Navi is $30,734. I could save you a little more money, but cannot do an invoice deal. The fact that the 2006's will be out in a couple of months doesn't really help us,because most dealers in the area including ourselves will be out of 2005's before they start coming in.
And just FYI- another dealer that did not have my color combo said this...
No but the market is soft so you should be able to get the car and a
low price just about anywhere.
Though he did not quantify "low price".
It's not honest to compare "shopped" price to sticker price.
Carsdirect says 34,970 in my area for a tl with nav.
g35 with nav,premium,xenon: $35,660.
As I indicated...go look at the 'prices paid' at both boards and you will see (I even provided specific post numbers for the GS showing prices paid by others at $37k ).
As for the TL pricing (which includes destination costs)...you just have to head over to the TL prices paid board to validate. Even if you don't head over...look at the quote the original poster 'laydi' just received (I believe an initial $32.2k for nav and $30.7 for non-nav) and posted in a message #3903 above.
Yours is apples and oranges as Carsdirect is not what is the going rate and not certain if it even includes destination charges....as once again...look at what people have been paying on the boards here.
I am not making it up...just look at the prices paid on the boards. Re-read my message #3902 and you will see.
The TL is fine performing machine, and is actually faster than the G35 sedan. So if laydi wants features, lux and performance, the TL is the car.
First...most likely than not...when people think of G35..they think of the coupe and the sedan is a secondary thought. Therefore...I priced the coupe. I hope I supported my pricing of $37,000 for the G35 Coupe 6mt in my previous note. I think all will agree to the prices paid as demonstrated on the board postings on this web site. The $37k is fact.
As for the price of the G35 sedan...I did not specifically get a pricing. However I understand that it is roughly about $35.5k. I believe compared to the TL w/nav of $32.2k which was demonstrated by 'laydi' email quote from the dealer.
Second paragraph. Yes...I did not bargain further on the G35 as I disclosed in my initial note. However...once again...the pricing I provided is pricing paid by others on the board...after negotiations. Please refer to the messages on the board which I referred to...those are actual paid prices ($37k for a G35 6mt coupe). I did not make them up. $37k...fact once again.
So let me summarize. Most think of the G35 as a coupe. The G35 6mt coupe with Nav is selling for $37k according to multiple postings on this web site's board. The G35 sedan is approximately $35.5k. These prices compares to Acura TL which is being initially quoted to a prospective buyer at $32.5k...with a likely purchase price of ~$32k after negotiations.
All in all...forget the discussion of the pricing. Look towards my initial email today which goes over the various amentities of the TL...and how it addresses 'laydi' initial email which communicates her wants and desires in a car....she wants the world. The TL should be considered.
You're right...any person with decent negotiating skills should be buying lower than carsdirect.com's price.
I am not making it up...just look at the prices paid on the boards. Re-read my message #3902 and you will see.
Those people aren't very good at what they're doing. The G35 6mt with navi, xm, premium and splash guards (what blazes is that?) is listed for 33k on carsdirect.com. I'd expect any infinit dealer would beat that by $200-500.
There's a $2000 manufacturer to dealer incentive on the G35. That means, get the price to $200 over invoice (what one should pay for a car this old) and then subtract another $2k from the price. that's the target. of course 200-500 is more realistic.
And if you can't get a dealer to let you in on the $2k, that dealer isn't worth going to.
First, you're on a SEDAN board so when comparing the TL to the G35 we're talking sedan to sedan. Second, the sedan outsells the coupe by over 1 thousand units a month. The sedan is what MOST G35 buyers think of...as it's what most of them buy!
Oh well you've empriically deduced what nationally released sales numbers refute. Okay..facts, schmacts, you see more coupes, so therefore the G35 coupe is more popular.
wow...
You are right...truce on the pricing concept. TL is still the recommendation.
I must admit, delmar, I assumed you were talking about the sedan. That's what I usually think of when I think of the G35, and from laydi's post, it seemed clear she was looking specifically for sedans.
You're a knowledgable poster, and in my book, your past posts have earned you the benefit of the doubt. I think that YOU always think of the G35 Coupe b/c in your mind (and IMO), the TL is clearly a better overall vehicle than the G35 Sedan, while someone who can go with a coupe or a sedan would have a tougher time deciding between the TL and the G35 coupe.
I think you should give the guy a break on this. We don't all have time to pur over facts and figures (we're too busy posting in thse forums!!!
I have to agree (imo) with the statement made in the post.... 'the TL is clearly a better overall vehicle than the G35 Sedan'. But that is up for discussion.... what topic of comparison of the TL and GS sedan do we wish to discuss?
Depends on what your looking for. The G35 sedan will mop the floors in performance against the TL. If you take these cars to the racetrack you will see the difference. You cannot see the difference on the streets or in the cones or on the skidpad. (Why people talk about performance and then say the racetrack does not matter is beyond me?)
If you want features go with the TL, other the G35 is a fine choice.
From what I understand, it seems that the GS is a mid-level luxury sedan made to look on the outside like a sport-sedan. That would certainly make sense, since the IS is really Lexus' entry-level luxury/sport sedan.
Anyone with a GS with nav, I'd also be interested to know if Lexus/Toyota still restricts people from enterring info while in motion.
Motor Trend has the Acura at 6.3 seconds vs G35 coupe 6.2 for 0-60mph. Yeah...the G35 beats the Acura marginally on the racetrack with that differential. And as you said...you will not see the difference on the street. I didn't buy my TL for the racetrack as that would have been a waste of all the other included amenities.
If we are talking racetrack performance...heck...we're talking about the wrong set of cars.
First, I've seen figures in the low 5s for the G35. Second as I said, the TL is great until you try to swing it around a racetrack. That difference is felt on the streets.
On one hand you can't talk performance, on the other hand you can't say what will happen on a racetrack doesn't count because they are street cars.
That said the TL handles good enough for you. But other drivers can push the G35/3 series to places where the TL will fall apart.
As I mentioned... Motor Trend indicated the 6.2 clock time.
That is the last I will comment on this topic. As I mentioned...if I wanted something for the racetrack... I would have selected a car other than the G35 or TL.
The TL is the one I'd buy for my wife, the G35 is the "muscle car" my younger brother would want.
Me - mid 40's male - imola red 330i - it's having your sport sedan cake and eating your luxury cake, too. Costs a little more, but to me it was worth it.
For your reading pleasure...the latest Road and Track uses the TL as a compable to the 2006 BMW 330i (which is priced at $48k). Check out the news stand at your local Barnes and Noble.
Two reasons I won't buy the TL, 1) FWD and 2) to many gadgets with no options.
My well optioned 330i is about 41K. Everything I need, nothing I don't.
You might want to check out this link:
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/Comparos/articleId=106052
BTW...the TL has no options because it is all inclusive.
The TL has no options and to many gadgets for me.
I like to drive the car not fiddle.
I really like the TL - a very nice car - good-looking, fast, comfortable, a beautiful interior, and all the high tech done right.
I also like the G35, particularly with a manual transmission. It has "V-8 like" power and good brakes. The automatic transmission is the weakest link in the G35 sedan.
I think the GS300 and 430 are in another class all together and compete against the 5 series BMW and the Acura RL. The Lexus equivalent is the updated IS250 and 350. I'm still waiting to check those two out. The old IS handled fine, but was a bit gaudy for my taste.
I still think the TL is the one for the lady, as it nicely bridges the gap between her soft, luxurious ES300 and the G35. A little more sport than what she drove before, but not the whole hog of the G35.
Ok I really do not like flame wars, but since some people may actually use these forums to make a car buying decision I feel like I should disagree with this statement.
The G base actually has a lot of features. Power leather heated seats six cd in dash changer with mp3, adjutsable wheel with telescoping, adjustable rear seats, power window and mirrors, side and curtain airbags, xenon lights etc. Not as much features as the accord of course but enough that you are not really missing anything. And as such it is 2k cheaper than the base acord. If you insist that the premium package is necessary for comparison then the g35 is about 1.5 k more expensive.
And no the G35 does not need the performance package to compare with a base accord. The G35 multilink suspension is more advanced than the acura double wishbone one. Also the G35 uses aluminum in its suspension elements I am not sure if the acura does (they dont mention it, which probably means they use steel). In any event the g35 will handle better even if you do not consider the acura's fwd. And the problems with the fwd have already been beaten to death in these forums. So in conclusion a standard suspension g35 will handle better than the standard TL suspension.
On top of everything else if you get the manual tranny you get the performance package standard as well. So then you have to add the 18 inch wheels to the tl in order to make it comparable. So the G35 with the premium package will be about the same price as a comparable tl with the 18 inch wheels. I cannot give exact numbers here because the 18 inch wheels on the TL require unspecified dealership installation charges.
So in summary:
g35 auto vs TL auto = TL is 1.5 k cheaper
g35 manual vs TL manual = about the same price
In these packages the TL has some more features and better interior while the G35 has more powerful engine and better handling. There you go.
Sunroof.
Premium audio system with 7 speakers.
Driver's seat memory with entry/exit assist.
Steering wheel memory.
Electrochromic auto-dimming inside mirror.
HomeLink® Universal Transceiver.
Etc.
And...don't forget to include the XM satellite radio.
I am out and done with this discussion. Both cars are fine. Test drive both...and make an educated decision.
Well put. One might add, "or those who drive like ladies."
Or not.
As it damn well should be. An '04 330i is only the size of a Civic, not even in the same size class of Accord or TL or G35, which are all in the size league of the 5 series.
Uh, tracking a car has very little to do with 0-60. Tell us how the TL does going into a coming out of a corner. No WOT out of a corner with a TL...you'll end up in a ditch.
That posting is sexist. I am a female and an educated professional in her early 30s who happen to drive a TL. I have driven grocery haulers (Camry) to a Mercedes SLK. And I select the TL for many reasons. Not because I am odd. Or I am masculine. And I do not scare men off with my car.
As for whether I drive like a 'lady' as another here suggest that the TL drivers are....shame on you. How narrow minded. You must drive alone a lot.
As a point of reference for the original poster 'laydi'...the TL was purchased because the TL is the best value out there. It is well balanced between sports and luxury. It has all the supple luxury you would expect from a Lexus as you have driven. It has leading edge technology such as bluetooth. It has the amenities that can impress. It is a pleasurable car to entertain with. The performance is fun and exciting (forget all the discussions here of 0-60 times and the thought that aluminum in the suspension makes for a superior car) (I doubt many that slam here haven't even test driven the TL).
Are the above attributes of why I purchased my car only valued by females? I doubt. Just as not all males measure their cars by 0-60 times but by other attributes.
As for a lot of these recent postings, these are my thoughts. The people in the G35 camp....they are sports purists and are slanted more towards the 'sports-luxury'. The TL contingency is slanted more towards the 'luxury-sports'. Who is right? Nobody.
If you do wish to beat up on each other...there is the "Acura TL vs G35" board. Sample include this...
306 of 306 Re: Oy Vey! [realty_pro] by bodble2 Jul 22, 2005 (8:05 pm)
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Actually IMO the G35 sedan is the one which is not in the same league as the other 2 -- even if the other 2 play in 2 different leagues! The G is no BMW when it comes to performance and driving "feel", and it is no match for the TL when it comes to features, amenities and quality, and it is inferior to both in terms of styling!
And it would be extremely boring if we all drove the same car model...wouldn't it?
And a special note to Lalacalif. (Pat, please, don’t delete this posting. I think I am not breaking any rules here:)) Lalacalif, I think you posting is feminist
mike
Hold on. How about some facts.
Road and Track, a long established and reputable magazine, does "standardized" testing of autos. Check out "Road Test Summary" in the back of recent issues.
Data for skidpad and slalom tests are:
Acura TL - 0.87g, 65.8 mph
G35 - 0.86g, 65.0 mph
Looks pretty close to me. And within the margin of error, would have to say that both cars about equal in handling per actual testing.
Great.... Now, even women are offended by having their rides described as "chick cars"...
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