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  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    I'm not into brand snobbery, just interesting vehicles—especially those that advance the state of the art, which the LR3 does,

    Bob
  • damish003damish003 Member Posts: 303
    OK, how about any big SUV that DOESN'T come loaded down with gray plastic all over the dash? My boss just picked up a new Yukon...there's more gray plastic than in my OBS!! I don't mind it so much in a 20k car, but a 50k SUV?? So...lets go with the Toureg. Am I safe with that?

    -Dan-
  • hammerheadhammerhead Member Posts: 907
    14-liter, 4-cycle, in-line 6 cylinder, turbocharged, about 450 HP & 1400 ft/lbs torque. Governed to 67mph (actually, there's a 6th gear that's locked out). Weighs about 41000 lbs, but that includes 500 gallons of water.

    Cheers!
    Paul
  • ozman62ozman62 Member Posts: 229
    I can visualize Mike re-considering a career as a fireman, LOL. As for the SUV thing, I'll second Lark's thought - Unimog! I'm sure they're a little north of $50G though.
    Owen
  • tsytsy Member Posts: 1,551
    Wow, 2.3 L per cylinder! The cylinders must look like buckets! Cool. Does it come with a nav system? How about Power windows? How much for one, you know, with the nav, power everything, upgraded stereo, oh, and all the flashing lights of course. ;-)

    tom
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    juice - TLC
    Papa Bear - TLC
    ken - LX470
    mark - 'sclade
    tsy - Lingenfelter 'sclade, fully pimped
    Paul - Yukon XL Denali
    Colin - Yukon/Tahoe
    Brenda - SRX
    eric - V10 TDI Touareg
    Dan - Touareg
    Bob - Land Rover LR3
    Ed - Unimog (unless he was joking!)
    Steve - Range Rover

    tom - you have 2 handles, I guess, work and home?

    Range Rover is appealing, but the Land Cruiser is more honest, less austentacious. I would want the air suspension (my uncle would pay for a lifetime B2B warranty) and the rear view camera so we don't have to park by braille.

    frog - so what's your pick?

    So far we have 3 Toyota/Lexus, 4 GM trucks and 1 GM crossover, at least 2 Touaregs, and a pair of Land Rovers.

    Custom vehicles are a whole different ball game, and should not count, but imagine a fully pimped out woody wagon, maybe based on a 60s Suburban or something. That would be wild.

    -juice
  • hypovhypov Member Posts: 3,068
    Wished I still have the clip of the SUV mike sent me a couple of years back. That would be what I'll get. IIRC, it was modified by Teledyne.

    mike! you still got the website?

    -Dave
  • tsytsy Member Posts: 1,551
    juice- nahh, just one handle. I just forgot to type my name at the bottom of the second post. ;-) tsy are my initials (nothing too creative!)

    No Cayennes? No Ford products? (unless you count Range Rovers) The Navigator would be nice if it had a real engine. Maybe a Kenny Brown blown Navigator?

    It's also interesting that Brenda chose a crossover, while all us other guys chose trucks. Not trying to be male chauvanist or anything, but just an observation. ;-)

    tom
  • robr2robr2 Member Posts: 8,805
    OK - I'll take a Cayenne S - no Turbo for me. A 340 HP SUV is fine.

    Although lots of folks laugh at the Cayenne you have to give them credit. Porsche research showed that their customers had Land Rovers, G Wagons and the ilk parked in the same garage - why not offer them what they really want anyway.

    juice - a few weeks ago, you gave me the idea of coming down to Fitzmall to buy a Legacy and avoid all the NE Subaru stuff. The drawback was perhaps the lack of the super low emissions equipment. This past weekend I was walking a dealer lot north of Boston and spotted a Legacy wagon with a "Courtesy Delivery" sticker on it applied at the factory. The MSRP sticker stated Bill to Fitzmall and ship to the dealer here. It was equipped with the low emission equipment.

    Since I have a trade it probably won't work for me but for others it may be worth a check. I don't know if Fitzmall would extend their great pricing in an instance such as this.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    It might have been on Rides, but what's his name, that comedian/hot rodder, built a cool one for his wife. It had a shaker hood scoop, supercharger, screens everywhere.

    I like the SRX a lot, I just think it's overpriced. Getting one over $50k gets to be a bit absurd, in my opinion.

    Somehow a Land Cruiser at the same price seems a lot less absurd.

    Still slightly absurd, mind you. My dad ordered basic ones from the Toyota factory for $25k delivered in Belize. So it's $25k worth of "sprinkles" on that chassis.

    -juice
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    juice - TLC
    Papa Bear - TLC
    ken - LX470
    mark - 'sclade
    tsy - Lingenfelter 'sclade, fully pimped
    Paul - Yukon XL Denali
    Colin - Yukon/Tahoe
    Brenda - SRX
    eric - V10 TDI Touareg
    Dan - Touareg
    rob - Cayenne S
    Bob - Land Rover LR3
    Ed - Unimog (unless he was joking!)
    Steve - Range Rover

    That's almost 4 VW/Porsche products, since they're on the same chassis, and it was Bob's 2nd choice.

    -juice
  • tincup47tincup47 Member Posts: 1,508
    Neat things are coming! Unfortunately I cannot go into detail.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    juice - TLC
    Papa Bear - TLC
    ken - LX470
    mark - 'sclade
    tsy - Lingenfelter 'sclade, fully pimped
    Paul - Yukon XL Denali
    Colin - Yukon/Tahoe
    Brenda - SRX
    eric - V10 TDI Touareg
    Dan - Touareg
    rob - Cayenne S
    Bob - Land Rover LR3
    tincup - Range Rover
    Steve - Range Rover
    Ed - Unimog (unless he was joking!)

    Funny how we tend to group up, no? 3 LR's now.

    Birds of a feather?

    -juice
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Kewl, we get to speculate! :o)

    Lessee, it already has the air suspension, right?

    How about a power-operated rhino bar that pops out and stomps on the slow guy in front of you?

    Maybe hybrid power? Ford has it now.

    -juice
  • volkovvolkov Member Posts: 1,306
    Well we already have a $40k SUV in the guise of the Yukon XL. If truly replacing it, I'd have to go Escalade to meet the price floor, and I happen to think Escalades are the ultimate in ridiculous.
    Sooo, if it was an extra, and not a replacement I'd be thinking Cayenne for pure indulgence or LX-470 for luxury and the fact you could still be enjoying it 15 years from now. We actually considered the 470 and Sequoia (can't get the LC in Canada without special import issues) when we purchased the XL. But the 4.7 is still a little anemic for pulling a full travel trailer, and even the Sequoia gets a little tight for luggage or a dog crate.
    Final answer? I'll take the Cayenne.

    Nicholas
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    juice - TLC
    Papa Bear - TLC
    ken - LX470
    mark - 'sclade
    tsy - Lingenfelter 'sclade, fully pimped
    Paul - Yukon XL Denali
    Colin - Yukon/Tahoe
    Brenda - SRX
    eric - V10 TDI Touareg
    Dan - Touareg
    rob - Cayenne S
    nicholas - Cayenne
    Bob - Land Rover LR3
    tincup - Range Rover
    Steve - Range Rover
    Ed - Unimog (unless he was joking!)

    Shouldn't Ed go with that Studebaker concept, the one that looked like a Hummer?

    -juice
  • erics6erics6 Member Posts: 684
    Would the new Land Rover LR3 go over $50k, even with options? The current version maxes out somewhere around $43k.
  • tincup47tincup47 Member Posts: 1,508
    The current Discovery goes from $34,995 to around $43-44,000 with 3 trim levels, S,SE,HSE. The LR3 will initially have two trims SE, HSE. SE starts at $44,995 and the HSE starts at $49,995. With options the HSE can easily go over $50,000
  • tincup47tincup47 Member Posts: 1,508
    Sorry, no hybrid
  • p0926p0926 Member Posts: 4,423
    As long as we're wasting money... I guess you can put me down for a Cayenne S Turbo ;-) Still, it's seems a shame to spend $100k on something that's barely faster than the FXT :(o)

    -Frank
  • erics6erics6 Member Posts: 684
    Wow! $50k for a Land Rover.

    Boy these are dumb vehicles! I want a nice Land Cruiser or Land Rover turbo diesel, or maybe the new diesel VW Euro camper syncro. No leather and 5 or 6 speed manual. Why do we Americans always get stuck with the bloated gas guzzling junk.

    How about this. It would cost me way over $50k to get one of these vehicles federalized/EPA'd. Does that count? ;-)
  • tincup47tincup47 Member Posts: 1,508
    Range Rover is over $70,000
  • hypovhypov Member Posts: 3,068
    Since I can't locate the SUV I would go for,...
    I'll 'splurge' on the MB G500, if not a Unimog :)

    -Dave
  • erics6erics6 Member Posts: 684
    Range Rover I expect to be $70k, but I thought the Land Rover were supposed to be affordable. I guess Freelander is suppose to be the "affordable" one now.

    Speaking of affordablity, I'm trying to convince a friend not to buy an X3. I could think of a number of vehicles I'd rather spend my $34k on.
  • robr2robr2 Member Posts: 8,805
    Nobody has even mentioned this one - only $70,495 for the base.

    I remember reading somewhere (Automobile most likely) that the boys back in Germany must have been scratching their heads:

    You vant me to take a perfectly guud 5 series and make a truck?
  • hammerheadhammerhead Member Posts: 907
    No nav, we use old-fashioned map pages, 1 page per square mile. It does have power windows, AM/FM (primarily for weather channel reception & keeping us awake at night :) The flashing lights are all high-output LEDs, except for the strobe that changes all the lights to green.

    As equipped, with hose, ladders, extrication gear, and all the paramedic stuff, about $400K OTD.

    What do YOU want to be when YOU grow up? :)

    Cheers!
    Paul
  • lark6lark6 Member Posts: 2,565
    Ed - Unimog (unless he was joking!)

    Shouldn't Ed go with that Studebaker concept, the one that looked like a Hummer?

    I wasn't joking, but the Unimog is apparently classified as a truck. I also don't see that it's available with enclosed seating behind the driver's row.

    As for the Studebaker - which BTW has a Ford Expedition drivetrain - I don't know that it has or will ever see production.

    I guess real world I'd take a Land Cruiser - if not the current generation then a refurbished FJ62 or FJ80.

    Hoping to make tonight's chat, the first in some time for me.

    Ed
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    won't be at the chat tonight-- heading home now and then a quick bite before working on my buddy's Talon again. new engine ready to go into it... tonight we'll mate engine & tranny, drop it in, start hooking up stuff.

    ~c
  • hammerheadhammerhead Member Posts: 907
    No chat for me either... baseball practice on the North side of town for my Mariner-wanna-be.
    Good opportunity to sit in the car with the seat heaters on & catch up on some reading!

    Cheers!
    Paul
  • tsytsy Member Posts: 1,551
    $400K and no cd player? No subwoofer? How about remote door locks? Actually, does it have locks? Do you ever need to lock it up?

    Hey, how do I get one of those strobes for the top of my Subie?

    Mariners haven't been too impressive this year- hope Ichiro breaks the record though!

    Hey, is there a prize for the 9000th post? ;-)

    tom
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    http://www.aiada.org/article.asp?id=23644
  • ladywclassladywclass Member Posts: 1,713
    choosing the crossover ... and I asked if it 'counted' as an SUV

    in earlier years, I've driven my share of big trucks, etc.... I think owning my Subaru Outback has made me a believer in 'crossover' vehicles ..lol

    Maybe what I REALLY want is a Subaru as big as that Cadillac!

    (actually I couldn't find a Jaguar that would satisfy the rules for this 'contest')
  • tsytsy Member Posts: 1,551
    A Range Rover is about as close to a Jag SUV as you can get, maybe?

    Hey, if GM can make a Saab out of a Subaru, why not a Caddy? A Subillac? Cadaru? ;-)

    tom
  • hammerheadhammerhead Member Posts: 907
    No door locks, but a couple compartments can be secured. No ignition key, either - I wouldn't want to be the guy to lose it or break it off in the switch! The strobe won't do you any good unless you know the frequency & pattern. We have air conditioning, not so much for cruising comfort, but for rehab on wildland & other hot weather fires where we need to cool down quickly.

    Take a look at it here:
    http://www.spokanevalleyfire.com/images/Apparatus/engine3.jpg

    Cheers!
    Paul
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    http://www.autospies.com/article/index.asp?articleId=3420
  • tsytsy Member Posts: 1,551
    Nice Ride Paul. Needs some low profile tires though! ;-)

    tom
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    Subdriven.com has just gone through a site upgrade, and it looks good. Jacoby O'Conner is the the guy juice and I were with at both Detroit and Las Vegas. He's a pretty neat guy, and we've both kept in touch via IMs in the past few months. Hope to see him again at future Subie events.

    http://www.subdriven.com/index.html

    Bob
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Well I'm shopping a 3/4Ton Yukon XL 8.1L w/4.10 gears loaded to the gills and a Denali XL which is $1500 more than the Yukon.

    I'd like the toregue if it came with diesel here cause there are no 3 row diesel SUVs here except the excursion which gets 10mpg even with the diesel!

    My next SUV will likely be the 3/4ton YXL with OEM Navigation in the first row, and DVD in the 2nd. Along with leather and AWD. Towing capacity on that bad boy is 12,000lbs, I think that's enough :)

    -mike
  • dcm61dcm61 Member Posts: 1,567
    Mike,

    The Touareg is available in the US with a V10 TDI - 310hp, 553 ft-lbs. 17/23 mpg :-) 2005 starts at $58.490 :-(

    Edit: I noticed that it's not available in CA, MA, ME, NY or VT. So, I guess you'll need to move to NJ or CT.

    DaveM
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    Mike as VW kind-of-guy. Besides, it can "only" tow 7,700 lbs, and has only 2-row seating, although a stretched 3-row version is in the works.

    Bob
  • tsytsy Member Posts: 1,551
    You can get the Quadrasteer too. Otherwise your turning radius is the size of Connecticut! Comfortable SUV though, i would have kept my 'burban except I had a hard time parking in my underground garage everyday!

    tom
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    You can get the Quadrasteer too.

    Yep, but it's a rather costly item.

    Bob
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    No need for the quadra steer, it gives it an even harsher ride and for the type of towing I do it wouldn't really be beneficial.

    I thought the Toregue had 3 rows, guess that ones out and with only 7700lbs towing that's not good either :(

    Game plan right now is to get a legacy GT ltd w/navi in '05, and hopefully in '06 the YXL will have diesel option and I'll get one then.

    -mike
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    The advantage it offers is a MUCH smaller turning circle. On a Suburban-sized vehicle, that's a nice feature to have. It is pricey though.

    Bob
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Yeah 95% of my driving is on interstates. I rarely have to manuver my trailers into a tight spot, we usually pull into a field drop the car and then pull out, cool feature if you had to backup boats into spots etc but not sure I'd get the benefit, it's not that pricey I think $1500 at most on a $53K vehicle.

    -mike
  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    mike,

    Didn't know you were planning on getting a LGT Ltd. Sweet. Would it change your mind if navi still wasn't available?

    Ken
  • tsytsy Member Posts: 1,551
    I suppose if it's purely a tow vehicle then you won't necessarily need it, but it sure can some in handy. ;-)

    Hey Mike (or anyone), have you seen anyone run the new LGT around a track yet? I'm thinking about taking mine down to Seattle International raceway, but I probably need a new set of tires and maybe stiffer springs. As it is stock I'm not sure how fun it would be on a track. I really don't like these tires.

    tom
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Keep the tires and suspension, if you've never had it on the track before. I haven't seen any on the track yet out here in the Northeast. I'm hoping to get one next spring/summer as a backup daily driver and backup track car/track car when I don't want to lug the Impreza out. The reason for taking it stock with the stock tires is that the early breakaway of the tires will force you to be smooth. I got in a funk a few track days ago with R-compounds so I went back to old OEM RE92s and forced myself to be smooth with them, very good learning tool.

    Ken: If it still doesn't have Navi, I'll order the faceplate from japan and put in a pinoneer GPS/Navi/DVD setup, I might do that anyway.

    -mike
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    mike in a Touareg? I can't see it. For starters it's waaaaay too small inside. He considers it a wagon, too. The diesel it the only selling point.

    tom: the stock GT was enough to make me grunt! :-)

    Updated list:

    juice - TLC
    Papa Bear - TLC
    Ed - Land Cruiser
    ken - LX470
    mark - 'sclade
    tsy - Lingenfelter 'sclade, fully pimped
    Paul - Yukon XL Denali
    Colin - Yukon/Tahoe
    paisan - Denali XL
    Brenda - SRX
    eric - V10 TDI Touareg (or gray market diesel SUV)
    Dan - Touareg
    rob - Cayenne S
    nicholas - Cayenne
    Frank - Cayenne Turbo
    Bob - Land Rover LR3
    tincup - Range Rover
    Steve - Range Rover
    hypov - MB G500

    5 full-size GMs and 5 VW/Porsche, with 4 Toyotas trailing right behind.

    -juice
  • lark6lark6 Member Posts: 2,565
    juice: Land Cruiser only because I can't get a crew cab Unimog. I'll bet I could if I tried hard enough though.

    Edit: You can - at least in Europe. I bet I could special order in the US (you can - see http://www.unimogusa.com/Sales%20Pics/pic23b.jpg ). So scratch that TLC - put me back to Unimog! BTW, why aren't Unimogs (or Sprinters for that matter) badged as Mercedes in the US?

    mike: My dad recently bought a Yukon. I have no idea what drivetrain or options he got; I'll have to quiz him.

    Ed
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