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  • volkovvolkov Member Posts: 1,306
    Was watching auto-week last night and they did the new Mazdaspeed Miata. How come we haven't heard any drooling from your way?? Or are you saving it for another board?

    Nicholas
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    He has posted in the Miata discussion about it. IMO it's weaksauce... 170 HP pfft. :)

    ~c
  • volkovvolkov Member Posts: 1,306
    But if you're used to being passed by little old ladies in Civics, it's an improvement. I was a little underwhelmed by the numbers when I first saw them few months back but the traditional roadster has never been about pure power. Lotus Elise only runs 190, and that is without a doubt my current first choice for a completely indulgent but ownable dream car.

    Nicholas
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Yeah, MSM doesn't really draw me in.

    A very small boost from turbo power is not what that car needed.

    Mine already is too rpm-happy, you need 5500 rpms to reach peak torque. Toss in some turbo lag, lower mileage, premium fuel, and keep the same cramped cockpit and it creates more problems for me than it solves.

    It's heavier and more luxurious, with higher insurance rates. Three more strikes.

    I'd almost rather see a Miata Ultralight, basically delete a few luxuries (like A/C and power steering) and lighten it by 200 lbs or so, keep the same 1.8l engine but tuned to run on 87 octane.

    The '99 made 3 hp less but ran on regular, so even the 2000 and later engines hardly seem with the improvement since premium is required.

    Right now, if mine had to be replaced it would be a low mileage '99, stripped down, cloth, with as few options as possible.

    Or an Elise. Sweetness! $40 grand if you're already on the wait list, though.

    I like the concept of the MR2, very light and fuel efficient, but the high cowl sort of spoils it for me.

    Boxster is a hoot but I have other priorities. Like making the mortgage payment on the condo. :-)

    -juice
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    VW just announed the Concept R will see production, and you may recall I loved that one. Beautiful, and it might be a budget Boxster, mid-engine and all.

    VW will price it at $35k, watch. :-(

    Beyond that, maybe a 4 seater. I could take the kids to the beach in it, would be the idea. But 3 hours each way in a cramped convertible with the top up? Dunno.

    And the nice ones are pricey. Sebring is blah. Solara is high quality blah. A4 and 3er are small, maybe Saab 9-3? PT Cruiser feels cheap and the Mini Cooper S convertible, if you can find one without a markup, is smallish. Cabrio is too old, Beetle too cute.

    All I want is a convertible 7 seater that gets 30mpg with 300+hp, am I really asking for too much? :o)

    -juice
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    get a motorcycle. :)

    ~c
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I hear you.

    I guess I've had too many bikes stolen from me (3 total, can you believe it?).

    1st was stolen from a parking lot.

    2nd was stolen from my front yard at the time, would you believe my bedroom window was wide open and I didn't hear the thieves?

    The 3rd one had the front wheel kryptonite-locked to a rack, can you believe they disassembled the wheel and stole the rest of it? This is at a Subway stop with guards and cameras covering that area.

    That was that. I am jinxed!

    Plus I like to take the kids for a spin when it's local. My daughter hits the hazard lights, which I call the CRAZY FAST button, and I punch the throttle and she giggles incessantly.

    Hutch took a nasty spill recently, can you believe he hit a deer? Out of nowhere, Thwack! Broke the deer's neck, Hutch was carted off in an ambulance. He was OK, though, this was 3 weeks before that Mercedes event and he showed up with nothing but a few scars.

    I guess if it was just me, sure, but when you have little dependents the priorities change a bit. The Miata's death rate is actually Average so I can live with that (pun intended).

    -juice
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    almost hit a deer on the XR650R a few weeks back. it was on a two-track road though with waist-high grass on either side...

    ~Colin
  • volkovvolkov Member Posts: 1,306
    I could buy an Elise, finances permitting and remain happily married. Can't say the same if I buy a GSX-R.
    I've been warned. 'OK, so I almost crushed my leg and my friend Paul broke his back and almost ended up in a chair for the rest of his life. But honey they're sooo much fun to drive and I was less mature then. Pleeeeaaaaase?'

    Nicholas
  • I wouldn't trust those Kryptonite U locks for anything valuable anymore. I just watched a news segment showing an untrained reporter breaking into one with a Bic pen. Turns out the pen diameter is a perfect fit with the lock mechanism. Jam the pen into the "O" shaped opening, and with a little jiggling...voila! Open lock. Missing bike.

    Kryptonite has pulled its locks from the shelves and is offering free replacement with a revised lock for anyone owning a lock purchased in the last couple of years.
  • tsytsy Member Posts: 1,551
    It's 190 hp in a 2000 lb body. It's quite fast. I'd love to get one- just no place for my golf clubs or Mt Bike. ;-)

    Any horsepower on the Miata is welcome, IMHO

    How much does the average superbike weigh?

    tom
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    a Suzuki that's caught my attention!

    http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyId=9160

    This car is tiny, and using a 1300cc motorcycle engine! Sort of a "sports car" version of those micro '37 Ford replicar-racers using bike engines. Juice & Mike, remember those that we saw at Summit Point last year?

    Bob
  • volkovvolkov Member Posts: 1,306
    And if the Dra doesn't know it's really a GSX-R I can stay married.
    Interesting though that the 1300 Superbike has double the HP at 175 (I knew it was much more, just had to look up the number). Wonder why the difference?

    In answer to Tom's question, the Hyabusa weighs 473lbs.

    Nicholas
  • tsytsy Member Posts: 1,551
    Thanks Nicholas. I didn't really know how much they weighed.

    So would an average stock superbike beat, say, an F1 race car through a road course? How about an Indy car on an oval?

    I remember watching a video of a BMW, a Porsche, a street motorcycle, and a racing bike. They all started in this order. While the cars were leaving the racing bike guy was slowly putting his gloves on. He started way late and ended up easily passing everyone in one lap. Pretty impressive.

    tom
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    a sportbike generally cannot beat a top-end sportscar on a road course, say Corvette or 911-- nevermind a Ferrari. actually I have a video on my home pc of Kevin Schwantz (former motocycle racer) on a Suzuki GSX-R 1000 against a Porsche 911 C4... it's a tie. I can't recall the 911 driver, but I think it was someone with a few SCCA Trans Am titles... maybe Paul Gentilozzi but don't quote me.

    anyway, it would depend on the course, more high speed straights are going to favor the bike and more heavy braking zones would favor the car.

    but an F1 car would mop the floor with a MotoGP racebike.

    power-to-weight will always heavily favor the motorcycle, but it has serious aerodynamic disadvantages at high speed over the sportscar. add in real aero aids like ground effects and functional wings, and it's no competition.

    the main problem though is braking. bikes have poor weight distribution under braking, and the front tire's small contact patch can only do so much. for this reason sportbikes are easily outbraked by most performance cars, although their stock brake systems tend to be better equipped for hard track use.

    ~c
  • njswamplandsnjswamplands Member Posts: 1,760
    beware, deer can take punches and watchout for their overhoof rights.
  • njswamplandsnjswamplands Member Posts: 1,760
    at least subaru understands the weight game. look at their smart use of aluminum in key handling areas ( front hood / rear tailgate ).
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    tyguy: the lock worked, remember the removed the front wheel completely and left it and the lock!

    The MSM does the 1/4 mile something like 0.4 seconds quicker than the regular Miata. Whoopee!

    The Hayabusa looks cool, just make is a roadster. I don't care if it only seats one person!

    -juice
  • tsytsy Member Posts: 1,551
    Do motorcycles not race on the same courses as cars do? I always figured a motorcycle would handle the curves better than a car, and I didn't know that bikes don't brake well. Thanks for that info, I'll remember that next time I'm being tailgated by a motorcycle.

    I always thought the Cayenne was a dumb idea- you could easily afford 2 cars, one Suv and one Sedan or wagon, for the price of one Cayenne. I just don't see it- why do I need an SUV that does 130mph?

    At least the Toureg is cheaper- but the W12 for 80K? At that point I'd buy the Porsche just for the name alone. I think I'm contradicting my self- I just said I wouldn't buy the Cayenne.

    Actually, I wouldn't buy either. Get a Toyota- it's cheaper and more reliable. At least until Subaru comes out with a full sized SUV.

    tom
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    OK, let's do a quick survey. You have to buy an SUV for more than $50k. Your rich uncle dies and his will says you have to take it or leave it, even drive it, no selling for profit or anything like that. He even picks up the tab for the gift tax.

    What do you pick?

    I think I'd take either a loaded up Land Cruiser or an LX470 just to get it up over that minimum.

    What about you folks?

    I don't think I'd ever really buy one, I'd get an S8 or something along those lines, but still, this could be an interesting exercise.

    -juice
  • volkovvolkov Member Posts: 1,306
    I think he was meaning that in an all out braking situation there are some issues with bikes. Locking the front wheels of a car is a little touchy, but on a bike, it throws almost all stability out the window not to mention the whole nose wheelie thing. Sports cars are one thing, but an F-1 racecar is something else entirely. The various ground effects technologies produce well over 1g of downward force at speed. In other words, an F-1 car could theoretically drive on an upside down track and hold the road (I learned that from one of my kids books).

    Nicholas
  • tsytsy Member Posts: 1,551
    Juice, do you mean about $50K or over $50K?

    Didn't that CXT monster thing run over $100K?

    I figure it would be an extra car that doesn't get driven much, so I'd get an H1. You never know- we might just get invaded by Al Quaida and a H1 would come in handy! Mount some machine guns and rocket launchers. . . ;-)

    tom
  • erics6erics6 Member Posts: 684
    Volkswagen Touareg V10 TDI
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Over $50k. I'm trying to rule out any mainstream or mid-size SUVs.

    I'm talking big, luxury, or both.

    H1, for real or are you kidding?

    -juice
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    no, I really meant that many sporty cars can outbrake bikes...

    my Evo tested at 110-115 feet 60-0 depending on the magazine. this can be easily accomplished by any fool standing on the brake pedal until ABS engages and then riding it to a stop.

    my CBR 929 takes 140 feet, a number that it can be matched or beaten by a lot of modern cars but yet is very difficult for unskilled riders to approach.

    ~c
  • bat1161bat1161 Member Posts: 1,784
    Cadillac Escalade, loaded. I grew up driving Caddy's, so I guess I have to be true to my roots:-).

    Mark
  • I'd choose that monster International CXT and insure it with no deductible. The next day I would park it in front of the local Earth Liberation Front (ELF) headquarters, and then collect the insurance after they torched it.

    -Ty
  • Bummer about the bike, Juice. I definitely understand why you'd be angry over something like that, but I have to admire their efficiency and bravado for pulling something off like that. Too bad they didn't invest as much energy into an honest profession....or figuring out a Bic pen would have opened the lock and let them take the wheel, too :-)

    -Ty
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    juice - TLC
    tom - H1
    mark - 'sclade

    ty - your rich uncle bought full replacement insurance for life, you must drive an indentical replacement for the next 8 years minimum. Would you still pick that CXT?

    I took the wheel home just to make sure they had to at least buy a rim and a tire!

    -juice
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    PS Apparently a lot of people here would rather commit suicide than accept a free $50k plus SUV from a rich uncle
  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    What are the list of SUVs that top the $50K mark?

    The LX470 sounds nice. Give me big, plush and luxurious.

    Ken
  • tsytsy Member Posts: 1,551
    Ok, juice, seriously.

    Lingenfelter twin turbo Escalade, maybe Suburban if I wanted to be stealthy, blue. 700hp. What more could you ask for in a SUV? Only $56K for the engine mods.

    http://www.lingenfelter.com/performance427suvturbo.asp
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    juice - TLC
    tom - H1
    mark - 'sclade
    ken - LX470
    tsy - Lingenfelter 'sclade
    eric - V10 TDI Touareg

    Interesting, no H2s and no Navigators yet.

    -juice
  • subearusubearu Member Posts: 3,613
    I'd pick the Land Cruiser. stickers for close to $60k the way I'd equip it, but looks like they go for close to invoice at $53k or so.

    -Brian
  • hammerheadhammerhead Member Posts: 907
    GMC YXL Denali. I think I could option it out to $50K without too much trouble. :)

    Cheers!
    Paul
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    Touareg diesel. :)

    Bob
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    I'd probably do a Yukon / Tahoe. Very truckish and not as huge as a Suburban. Perfect for towing motorcycles to Colorado or my non-existent boat to Table Rock. :-P

    A Landcruiser would be a good choice too, but they've gone too luxo for me. Can you still get 'em with cloth?

    An X5 4.4xi would be tempting too, but those clear the $50k mark rather easily so add that to your list, Juice. Utterly untruck-like, of course.

    ~c
  • hammerheadhammerhead Member Posts: 907
    Suburban's not as huge as an Excursion, though.

    We need the 3 seats as well as lots of backback room in the 'way-far-back' (kids name for it). Otherwise, the Yukon/Tahoe would work.

    Cheers!
    Paul
  • tsytsy Member Posts: 1,551
    Juice, you got me down twice!

    H1's a joke. It just looks good with rocket launchers.

    Hey, do you mean something you'd actually drive on a daily basis? Or have as an extra utility vehicle?

    Colin- you can't get a landcruiser in cloth anymore. It's not a whole lot different from the Lexus version- I've driven both extensively. The lexus has a little nicer wood trim, adjustable ride height, and rear camera. Otherwise they're both quite nice inside. Performance stinks though.

    I don't know about the rest of the country, but here you can get Landcruisers for much less than $50K. (I had to choose between the landcruiser and Sequoia, the bigger truck won out- not quite as nice though)

    Paul- the CXT is for you then! Get a red one, you could park it in front of the station! ;-)

    tom
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    I will flat out not daily drive an SUV. There is no need for it with my lifestyle and they're really boring, plus the lovely fuel economy.

    I would use the vehicles I posted last about, though. that's why I mentioned them! :)

    ~c
  • ladywclassladywclass Member Posts: 1,713
    Cadillac SRX ... fully loaded ... does that qualify as an SUV?
  • subearusubearu Member Posts: 3,613
    I would rather have a double cab Tundra, as it would be more useful to me than a luxo-SUV. I did say *if* I had to choose an SUV though ;-)

    That double-cab Tundra would be under $50k quite a bit, so it wouldn't qualify

    -Brian
  • lark6lark6 Member Posts: 2,565
  • hammerheadhammerhead Member Posts: 907
    If I weren't limited to SUVs in this exercise, I would have jumped all over a GMC CrewCab pick-em-up... quadrasteer, OnStar, XM, the works!

    Tom: CXT? Is that the semi-sized cab & chassis? The Excursion was too big for us - I can't imagine anything THAT big as my daily driver!

    Cheers!
    Paul
  • ladywclassladywclass Member Posts: 1,713
  • Alright, alright. If I had to waste money like that, then I'd do it in style and get a pimped out Escalade. 20" spinner wheels, low profile tires, stereo taking up everything but the front two seats, neon ground effect lighting, the works. My personal license plate would read "whitey" and I'd wear a purple suit and heavy gold chains every time I drove it.
  • nowickslnowicksl Member Posts: 20
    Wouldn't that be "MISTER Whitey"?

    Anyway, I get 17-20 MPG with my 99GMC Sierra 4x4 which ain't bad for a big truck, and to me it is a Suburban with a bed and a shorter cab at almost half the price of the 'Burban.

    Looking at a new Legacy GT L wagon but think the price is a bit too high at $30k...
  • fibber2fibber2 Member Posts: 3,786
    I might go Land Rover.

    Steve
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    Hmmm... I forgot about Land Rover. I think I'll change my mind, and choose the Land Rover LR3, even though not a whole lot has yet been written about it. From what I can see, it's a huge improvement on the Discovery, which it replaces. The jury is out, however, as to how it will fare over the long haul—but I'll chance it. :)

    Bob
  • frogfrog Member Posts: 52
    I would have to say the G-wagon as it is the opitomy of brand name snobbery, and it is better looking than most trucks out there. The land rover is more cushy, but simplicity wins, and I believe the G-wagon has some serious ponies under that tiny hood.
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