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  • subearusubearu Member Posts: 3,613
    that the C55 only comes in a manu-matic, no manual is offered, IIRC. Loaded up like the C320, the C55 would be closer to $60k sticker and would likely sell at or near sticker.

    -Brian
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    Probably an AWD Audi or BMW of some sort, although I would never buy one. Maybe a Volvo V70 AWD? Not sure if it comes with a manual though in AWD?

    If you could live with an automatic, the all-new AWD Acura RL. Second choice, the Infiniti G35x.

    Bob
  • bigelmbigelm Member Posts: 995
    and I went looking at some SUV's for when the OB lease is up (still have one more year, but just looking). - She really likes the new OB but interior space has forced her to look at options (I knew that was coming). Anyway, we saw the Pilot, Tahoe, Yukon, Trailblazer. - That's pretty much all we had time for. She walk away liking the Pilot but the down side is no curtain air bags.
    I'm currently doing research on alternatives like the new Pathfinder and we're going to see the SRX next week. She loves the FX35 but again space has numbed the feeling. Seems like alot of the new SUV's are coming with 3rd rows as standard... crazy!
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    Sat in one yesterday a dealer.

    Sorry, I just can't get excited over this new GC. A real disappointment now is, if you order the 3.7 V6, you can't get a 2-speed transfer case!!! It has a high-only AWD mode. 2-speed transfer cases are only available in V8 models now. And this is supposed to be a Jeep???

    Bob
  • robr2robr2 Member Posts: 8,805
    Were you looking at an 04 or 05 Pilot? I thought Honda was going to add side or curtain bags to all vehicles starting in 05.
  • bigelmbigelm Member Posts: 995
    Saw the '04. They were telling me the differences of the '05 but didn't have one to show me *rolleyes*. But I asked and checked their brochure... sure enough, no curtain bags. Also, Edmunds.com makes note of that as well...

    http://www.edmunds.com/new/2005/honda/pilot/100467375/researchlan- ding.html?tid=edmunds.n.prices.subnavheader..2.Honda*
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    If this isn't a wake up call for Subaru, I don't know what is!

    http://www.autoweek.com/news.cms?newsId=101000

    Bob
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    MB is switching to AWD too, but I'm not sure that it's particularly relevant to Subaru. Subaru doesn't have any models that compete with the price an AWD Acura will command.

    ~Colin
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    When the TSX is offered with AWD, like that found on the RL, that car will hit the Legacy squarely between the eyes. Even now, with only FWD, the TSX is most often compared with the Legacy GT.

    Bob
  • bigelmbigelm Member Posts: 995
    True dat!

    It was only a matter of time... Even the TL will put a dent, as often compared to the Legacy as well (cross-shopping).

    Unfortunately, unless Subaru has been very quiet about it, if Subaru has not even thought of upgrading their AWD system or making it 'sophisticated'; I could see GM just waiting with money in hand to buy them out.

    Car manufacturers have caught on...
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    Ah, good point about the TSX (euro Accord). I was only thinking of the TL.

    ~c
  • tsytsy Member Posts: 1,551
    How about used?

    I'd take a used 911. Maybe a used M5?

    tom
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    I'm focusing on new currently cause I want a full warranty etc. I also want at least around 350hp and a manual, so the volvo and G35 are pretty much out. :)

    -mike
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    The 911 and M5 were thoughts, although I'm not a big fan of the BMWs.

    -mike
  • tsytsy Member Posts: 1,551
    I think the C6 Vette is probably the most bang for your buck under $50K. I haven't driven one yet, but it seems to have been well received. I just think I'd rather have a used 993 or 996 911 than a new Vette. Maybe a used NSX? Should be reliable.

    How about a CTS-V if you want a sedan?

    BTW, is Racingbrakes going to have a kit for the '05 LGT soon?

    tom
  • tsytsy Member Posts: 1,551
    What would a "man's" car be then? ;-)

    The gull wing doors are cool as long as you don't need to park next to other people!

    Are the ideas truly only for women? They seem like good ideas for any car.

    tom
  • bigelmbigelm Member Posts: 995
    The gull wing doors are cool as long as you don't need to park next to other people!

    If the person is not over 6ft. tall...
  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    Yup, AWD on a TSX would result in more competition for the Legacy. However, with only 170-something ft-lbs of torque, it would probably would aid more in foul weather driving than improving performance.

    I wonder how much Honda will price the SH-AWD option?

    Ken
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    I think the C6 Vette is probably the most bang for your buck under $50K. I haven't driven one yet, but it seems to have been well received. I just think I'd rather have a used 993 or 996 911 than a new Vette. Maybe a used NSX? Should be reliable.

    How about a CTS-V if you want a sedan?

    BTW, is Racingbrakes going to have a kit for the '05 LGT soon?

    tom


    Well the problem is I don't think a reliably/good condition 911 can be had for under $50k. NSX is pretty weak and doesn't hit me as a sports car, not sure why but it doesn't rub me correctly.

    CTS-V is a possibility but it's expensive and only the 5.7L engine in it, I think I optioned out the CTS-V to well over $50k closer to $55k. :(

    RB will be coming out with rotors for the LGT although not likely tile late spring or summer at earliest. Although they/we are working on getting a larger than WRX rotor (probably similar sized as the LGT) to couple with the 4-pot calipers that I'm testing currently on my '94 Legacy.

    -mike
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    you can defintely do a 993 911 C4 for well under $50k. but they're not *that* powerful. I'd rather have a used C5 Z06-- I have driven them and they are terrifying machines. $35k for a nice 01-02.

    ~Colin
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Used + American scares me horribly. :) If I'm going american it will be new for sure foriegn I'd consider used. Also saw a program where they put a stock '05 v. Z06 and the '05 beat it overall :)

    -mike
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    it probably did, barely, but that's not the point. the point is how much performance you can get for $35k!

    ~c
  • ladywclassladywclass Member Posts: 1,713
    didn't mean to imply it was only for women .. but the entire DESIGN team was women ...

    considering the amount of cars women are responsible for buying and the number of families where they control the outlay ....
  • lark6lark6 Member Posts: 2,565
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    it probably did, barely, but that's not the point. the point is how much performance you can get for $35k!

    True true, but since it'll be my daily driver I really want something that I know I can count on a warranty which American Car + Used = highly unlikely it will be reliable.... :(

    -mike
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    FWD Based though :( Really want something RWD or RWD Based....

    -mike
  • tsytsy Member Posts: 1,551
    Thanks Mike. Still trying to decide what to do to my LGT, I don't know if it needs a brake upgrade yet. It definitely needs a tire and suspension upgrade- maybe by the time I decide they'll have an STi version?

    Maybe I just need to build a track car- if only I had more time. What's a good car to start with? I was thinking something rear drive or AWD.

    How about a S4? But I don't know about the longterm reliability of an Audi, not good though.

    Maybe a slightly used M3 would be your best bet. Has a backseat, it would be a good daily driver, reasonably reliable, and fast.

    tom
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Good track car, I'd say a neon or honda if you want to get in on the cheap, or a 240sx if you want RWD. Personally I'd find a cheap Impreza L with AWD and the 2.2L engine and 5MT for track events. You could register it and make it a daily driver as you build it up.

    S4 isn't bad but reliability is questionable. M3 isn't too bad although I really dislike them and colin's repair woes haven't made me any happier about them.

    Still even trying to decide between a Truck v. Sporty Car. It's a daily battle: Yukon XL 3/4ton v. Sporty Car.... Who knows what I'll get, but taking all opinions.

    -mike
  • tsytsy Member Posts: 1,551
    Personally I'd find a cheap Impreza L with AWD and the 2.2L engine and 5MT for track events

    Why the 2.2L and not the 2.5L? I was thinking about a used L or RS or the 240sx. But so many kids are buying up 240sx's to drift making them harder to find.

    Hey, after spending all the money building up a car, would it be cheaper just to buy an Evo or STi?

    Maybe I just need a 911 or Corvette. ;-)

    Tough decision- truck or sports car. It's an easy decision for me, my wife won't let me buy a 911! ;-)

    How about waiting for a '06 Legacy STi?

    tom
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    That's just a pipe dream, doubt you'll ever see it here.

    As for a track car I only say L because it's going to be a lot cheaper to buy and is lighter.

    My total investment on my L is about $5K total, no where near the cost of an Evo or STi.

    I won't be buying til next summer so we'll see what happens. So far in the running...

    06 Legacy (GT/STi/SpecB)
    05 Vette
    05 Yukon XL 3/4ton
    used 911

    -mike

    -mike
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    I guess 'woes' might be one way to put it. The car never left me stranded-- I just kept very much on top of the maintenance, and my dealer kept finding things that needed attention. It was more high maintenance than any girlfriend I've had. ;)

    I have a friend with a '91 Corvette and a '02 Z06. I am positive that they are much lower maintenance than an M3, and the Z06 is MUCH faster in a straightline, in turns, you name it.

    A truly sporty Legacy turbo would be a good addition to Subaru's lineup.

    ~c
  • tsytsy Member Posts: 1,551
    I was reading somewhere that the C6 Z06 was going to be a 6.4L engine and maybe out next year. At what point is a car too fast for your own good?

    I wonder about some of the kids driving their tuned imports and street racing (and street crashing) and here in Seattle there are some rich kids with expensive sports cars racing around- it's not fun to be passed by cars doing 90 (at least!) on the street. I don't think these kids know how to drive. ;-( Is this a problem everywhere around the country? (Not just CA, FL, TX?)

    Thanks for the advice, Mike. I have all winter to think about what to do.
    Unfortunately I don't think I'm going to get my LGT on a track before next spring ;-(. It's hard to find track time here in the winter. Maybe an AutoX though. ;-)

    tom
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Same problem here. Damn kids with thier tuner cars whip by....

    I heard the C6 Z06 will be a 7.0 but who knows, I'm sure that will be out of my price range though.

    -mike
  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    I thought the V70R came with a Haldex unit. Or did you mean you wanted it to be RWD based as the default?

    Ken
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    I don't want a transverse engine :(

    -mike
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    http://www.theautochannel.com/F/news/2004/10/12/249953.html

    Good to see there is a movement afoot for these large vehicles too.

    Bob
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    I thought that too but have been nothing but thrilled with my Evo so far. And, I've gotten some experience working on a reasonably similar powertrain in my buddy's '94 Talon TSi AWD and it's not necessarily pure evil.

    ~Colin
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    I hear yah, I just like the balanced setup of a F-R. I also don't know of any non-F-Rbased cars that grab me. I'll keep it in mind though.

    -mike
  • I'm shopping for a Forester XT for my mom. Here's what we're looking at:
    -XT with premium package (leather/moonroof)
    -Turbo boost gauge
    -Auto dimming mirror and security upgrade
    -Rubber floor mats
    -Air filtration
    -Bumper cover, cargo tray, and splash guards
    -Arm rest extension
    -Cargo net

    Here's the dilemma: would you go for an '05 for $27,000 or an '04 for $25,000? Why?

    FYI: The difference in price comes from an additional $1,000 in rebates on the '04 ($2K verus $1K), the price mark up in the '05 year, and a little extra dealer profit for an '05.

    -Ty
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    how long does your mom tend to own vehicles? how long will she own this one?

    short term-- say less than 4 years-- definitely the '05. negotiate a better deal or join IMBA.

    long term, the savings for the '04 make more sense because the instant first-year depreciation (it is already a model-year old) doesn't matter one bit.

    ~Colin
  • jfljfl Member Posts: 1,399
    Tough call, but for $2000, I'd go for the '05. I figure that covers the depreciation between '04 and '05.

    But then, it's not MY money, just my $0.02.

    Jim

    Hmmm, if she's plans to keep it a long time, maybe the '04...
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    yep, I'm planning to drive my Evo this winter rather than do hard time for ~3 months in the Taurus SHO. the Evo has more ground clearance than my M3 did plus AWD so it should be great.

    235/45-17 Dunlop Wintersport M3, $144 each from the tirerack plus about $45 shipping.

    I debated a set of wheels too, but at $180+ per rim, I just didn't see the point. They would be 17x8 just like stock because nothing else clears the brakes, so instead I'll just have my tires mounted & balanced twice a year. Even at my local preferred shop's rate of ~$90 each time, it'll take more than 4 years to pay back those wheels. and in the meantime, I'll just wait around for a killer deal on take-off stock Evo rims.

    why performance winter tires instead of an all-season? because I hate all-seasons! they don't remotely compare on ice or deep snow, and I always have real summer tires mounted other times. all-seasons suck all year round. :)

    should be 'good enough' in the dry to keep me happy.

    ~Colin
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    M3s are my choice for this winter as well. Will be running them on the Legacy :)

    -mike
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    '05 Vette new v. '01 996 AWD 911 6mt non-turbo 45K miles?

    Thoughts?
  • tsytsy Member Posts: 1,551
    911, no doubt. More reliable, more prestige, and you can say 'Por-sche' with 2 syllables. ;-)
    Of course you'll have to pay $500 for oil changes, parts are about triple, and you will have got last years model (but does it matter with a Porsche?)

    There's just somthing about a Porsche that you can't get in a Vette.

    How about a Lotus Elise? You can get on the wait list now and get it by next year.

    Colin- why not get a set of 18" wheels for the summer, and mount your winter tires on the stock rims? I'm not sure what the real advantage of 18" wheels over the 17" would be though.

    tom
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    18s would be appearance only for most people. the only exception I can think of is that some race tires in sizes desireable for Evos and STis come in 18" diameters. huge ones, like 265/35-18 or bigger.

    I don't see that happening. plus I have a perfectly good set of extremely high performance summer tires in 17" that need to be worn out (the stock ones).

    ~Colin
  • She plans on keeping the Forester 5 years. Just for fun I checked out trade-in values for 5-year-old Foresters versus 6-year-old Foresters, and it came to around $900.

    -Ty
  • c_hunterc_hunter Member Posts: 4,487
    I would get the 05, you should be able to negotiate one at around invoice price. I think the 05 had 3-4 desirable improvements over the 04 (desirable to me that is, maybe not other people).

    Craig
  • The only change I'm aware of on the '05 XTs is that the air filtration was made standard, which is optioned on the current 04s we're looking at and not really all the important for her. Maybe I'm missing something?

    I've checked with a couple of dealers here regarding the 05s and they want around $500 over invoice, even using the Costco purchase program. That beats the $500 under MSRP that Honda dealers want for the '05 Pilot; ouch, that's somewhere around $2,000 profit.

    -Ty
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    '05 has new steering wheel, and cruise-engaged/SET light too.

    Bob
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