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  • fibber2fibber2 Member Posts: 3,786
    Mark,

    Jim and I were talking about this when I was out there last month.

    The FD lens series lacks the internal autofocus motor and uses a different mechanical mount, so they are out. And even though I have a small investment in Canon EF lenses (we own one of the first autofocus SLR's - the Canon EOS-650), the field size is different as film measures 24x36mm, and (most) image sensors are considerably smaller. Thus you get an automatic, and maybe undesirable cropping if you use a film lens on a digital body.

    Another small consideration if you plan to frequently change lenses is the issue of dirt. This gets wiped clean from your film on the first exposure. With digital, it hangs on, fogging maybe hundreds of pixels. Was it Nikon that added the ultrasonic sensor cleaner?

    Steve
  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    Ah the F3HP. That was my first new SLR purchase (had to save up a long time for it) and has never ever disappointed me. It's a classic.

    Ken
  • tsytsy Member Posts: 1,551
    In addition to these disadvantages, it's really hard (or expensive) to get a super wide lens for a digital slr because of the magnification factor. (Of course, it makes Tele lenses much cheaper!)

    Serge, keep those old Nikons! I would never give or sell mine- i'm sure they'll be obsolete soon, but they still work, and very well!

    tom
  • jfljfl Member Posts: 1,398
    That was Olympus who introduced the ultrasonic sensor cleaner.

    Do the old Nikon lenses fit the digital models???

    Speaking of favorite old lenses, one of mine was the Canon FD 17mm f/4.

    Jim
  • jfljfl Member Posts: 1,398
    Mark,

    In the late '70s one of my friends sold all his Nikon SLR equipment and replaced it with M-series Leicas. As he put it, "It's all about the glass."

    Your Dad's old cameras a probably worth a small fortune.

    The only camera I sometimes miss is the Hasselblad. The others I considered more as very good tools.

    Jim
  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    Jim,

    All Nikon lenses will mount with any Nikon body. The only problem is that the older the lens, the less functionality you have through the body.

    Good old manual metering still works though.

    Ken
  • jfljfl Member Posts: 1,398
    Ken,

    Does that mean it will work with a digital body with aperture priority AE? I assume you would need to manually focus...

    Jim
  • tsytsy Member Posts: 1,551
    Jim, you will have to manually focus and set the aperature. But what Ken said is right, even old Nikon lenses will fit, with some exceptions. None of the APS SLR lenses will fit, and there was another series of lenses that I believe aren't compatible.

    I have some old manual lenses, I just don't ever need to put them on my D70. I have used my 'film' zoom with my D70 and had no problems with cropping. The problem comes from when you take a DX (digital) lens and try to put it on your film camera as the focus area is smaller on the on the digital lens.

    tom
  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    Here's a handy compatibility chart from a Nikon forum.

    Correcting my earlier statement, all Ai and later lenses can be mounted on current digital bodies. Only the pre-Ai lenses made in 1977 and earlier along with F3AF specific lenses can not be used.

    Ken
  • lilbluewgn02lilbluewgn02 Member Posts: 1,089
    "Do the old Nikon lenses fit the digital models??? "
    Jim, I dont know...I'm sure the mounting rings have changed...even the lensesfrom the FTN don't hook up to the F3's meter without a special ring to retain full auto metering.

    I doubt I'll give them up...they need work and I need to get a Nikon diopter for the eyepiece since I don't see as well as I used to...the vagaries of growing up.
    When I lived in NY, I used to take them to Forscher's Professional Camera Repair or Ken Larson. If and when we move back, that's where they're going...it'll cost me a small fortune, but it's only money.
  • tsytsy Member Posts: 1,551
    Nikon's bayonet F mount hasn't changed over the years, whereas Canon's got bigger to accomodate larger lenses.

    Now, of course, you lose your auto focus and aperature control when using the old lenses. You will have a manual control digital camera- but the lens itself will focus light just fine. :)

    Now, Nikon's flashes are a bit more complicated. To fully take advantage of the newer features you need to keep buying new flashes- which is annoying. My Nikon SB-80DX (which is compatible with my F100 and older Nikon digital SLRs) that will light up the side of a building doesn't communicate with my D70. I guess these companies need to make their money somehow.

    tom
  • jfljfl Member Posts: 1,398
    Thanks everyone for the replies and to Ken for the chart!

    I think it just confirms that I'll continue to be cameraless for a while longer.

    Jim
  • beanboybeanboy Member Posts: 442
    As much as I like shooting with it, my P+S digital (Canon A620) gets a lot more use. Methinks it will only be a matter of time before I take the DSLR plunge. Always will have the FTN though.

    -B
  • bat1161bat1161 Member Posts: 1,784
    Ken,

    I plan to stop by B&H one night after work, after the holiday madness to talk with them. They helped my niece out last year when she was looking for a good camera. I could probably do better price wise via the internet, but the level of service and knowledge is worth the extra $$.

    Thanks to everyone for your responses.

    Mark
  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    tom: Good point. It is unfortunate that the flashes are not compatible, but I can't complain at how well Nikon flashes work. I just purchased a SB-600 for my D70 and am amazed at just how dead-on the lighting is.

    beanboy: DSLRs are great, but they're also bulky. The ideal set up would be to also have an ultraslim P&S for times when you just want to have something in your pocket.

    Mark: The nice thing about B&H is that they're also very price competitive. That, combined with their product selection and reputation make them very difficult to beat.

    Ken
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    http://www.drive.subaru.com/CurrentIssue.htm
  • once_for_allonce_for_all Member Posts: 1,640
    Bob, did you notice how my $10 sent to "Strategic Vision Total Value Study" group is already bearing fruit? ;)

    Go Baja '07. We have to figure out a way to get you out of that WRX and improve your image :D

    John
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    Improve my image? You like challenges, don't you. Good luck, as I haven't been able to it on my own. :)

    Bob
  • rob_mrob_m Member Posts: 820
  • lilbluewgn02lilbluewgn02 Member Posts: 1,089
    Rob,
    I can vouch that he hasn't been able to get it off since 1998.!
    (Bob, j/k)
    Serge
  • ladywclassladywclass Member Posts: 1,713
    only 'cause you guys won't LET him get it off!!
  • lilbluewgn02lilbluewgn02 Member Posts: 1,089
    Brenda, I tried when we met him in DC at Capitol Brewery...I borrowed a beer can opener, the old-fashined kind), but it was stuck on!
  • jeffmcjeffmc Member Posts: 1,742
    Probably requires a corkscrew instead. Don't wanna twist too far through Bob's helmet, though... he might let out a little w(h)ine. :P
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    http://blogs.edmunds.com/.ee8e3e1
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    has a 8-speed automatic! It also has Maybach-like reclining rear seats with footrests.

    http://blogs.edmunds.com/.ee8e400

    Bob
  • once_for_allonce_for_all Member Posts: 1,640
    the US is getting a whole line-up of Benz CDIs starting in 2007.

    I still see the diesels grabbing market share from the hybrids.

    John
  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    Well I am sure happy that I waited for the MWSF keynote today before buying a iMac.

    I had my sights set on a 20" iMac and didn't think that it would be updated to the Intel chipsets so soon. 2X faster but at the same price. I'm getting ready to place my order shortly!

    And those new laptops are amazing too!

    Ken
  • c_hunterc_hunter Member Posts: 4,487
    Yeah, isn't that cool?? I am thinking about one of the new laptops. Don't need one, and it would even be a hassle in the sense that I'd need to re-compile all of my own software I've built up over the years, but they are pretty sweet and the performance boost over my G4 is compelling. If we didn't just buy a SleepNumber bed, I'd be allover the new MacBook...

    Go for it Ken!

    Craig
  • jeffmcjeffmc Member Posts: 1,742
    Did you catch the magnetic attachment for the MacBook's power cord? Pretty slick. I have the original 15" Titanium PowerBook, maybe 5+ years old now and starting to show a little wear. *sigh*
  • c_hunterc_hunter Member Posts: 4,487
    Yeah, that is definitely cool. Another great innovation.

    I had an original TiBook too, finally sold it to a friend a few months ago. It was a great machine, but got to be slow recently (400MHz).
  • jfljfl Member Posts: 1,398
    I'm headed to MacWorld Expo tomorrow...

    Jim
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    I picked up a new 17" Mac G4 laptop last week. I like it a lot.

    Bob
  • c_hunterc_hunter Member Posts: 4,487
    Cool Bob, that large screen is awesome -- probably good for your old-timer eyes, eh? ;-)

    Craig
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    Yep. I had intended to get a 15" model (at CompUSA), but when I went up to pay for it, I found out it was an older model, which I didn't want. So they knocked off $200 on the larger (newer) 17" model. I thought it was a good deal, so I took it.

    Bob
  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    Craig,

    So what's your number? ;-)

    Ken
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I'm not surprised that the Ridgeline took it, but I thought the Solistice would win for cars.

    8 speed auto, wow, how many before it would be more cost effective to use a CVT?

    -juice
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    Not sure CVTs are up to handling the power of a 4.6L V8 (yet).

    Bob
  • c_hunterc_hunter Member Posts: 4,487
    Still trying to figure it out. Hovering around 50....

    Craig
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Guess so. Audi's is close, though.

    Wonder if it's 4x2 gears, rather than 8x1?

    -juice
  • once_for_allonce_for_all Member Posts: 1,640
    I would have a poor opinion of a 4 x 2 (too many shifting items in the tranny).

    My tractor has a 4 x 4 (16 gears) but then when I do work I simply find the right one and go. If I had to shift up and down all the time the clutch and tranny would be toast in no time.

    John
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    In case you haven't already seen it...

    http://blogs.edmunds.com/.ee8e76d

    It's pure STI under the skin, with Prodrive enhancements, of course.

    Bob
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I see this as a "proposal" for the next generation Impreza, personally.

    Subaru isn't sure whether or not to proceed with the airplane grille, and this might be an alternative. Prodrive works closely with Subaru so I doubt it's as independent as they make it sound.

    It needs a bit of clean up, are there bigger photos anywhere?

    -juice
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    NABISCO has plenty of large images on the non-Subaru thread in News & Rumors.

    Bob
  • dstew1dstew1 Member Posts: 275
    I like it. A lot.

    I'd like it even more with a few more traditional, quirky Subaru touches on it though, in keeping with the brand's identity. Something subtle and well designed just to let people know it's a Subaru. Right now it looks like a blend of anything from the last gen Eclipse, to the RX-8, to the 350Z.

    Bob, you're the design guy - what do you think?

    Doug
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Headlights are from the Lexus L-Finesse school of design.

    Hood and grille are geo-mechanical, kinda like Mitsubishi lately.

    The rear of the car is too piece-meal, sort of chunky looking. I'm not a fan.

    I like some styling cues, but overall it has too many lines and really needs to be cleaned up a lot.

    -juice
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    It's great looking. My concern is—if they change design direction (of the grille)—how do they explain that they goofed with the current new look, and not come off looking like they don't know what they're doing. If they show weakness in their commitment to this new design direction, that could even be more damaging.

    Frankly, I think a subtle R1-like, or '06 Impreza-like grille could also work. It just would need to be done with great restraint.

    Bob
  • once_for_allonce_for_all Member Posts: 1,640
    moparbad, "Diesels in the News" #290, 12 Jan 2006 10:26 am

    John
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Meh, I didn't think you'd like it. Too busy. It looks like a Mistubishi, not a Subaru.

    -juice
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    Thanks. I'll put it up for tomorrow. :)

    Bob
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    I don't mind the angles, etc. I'm more concerned with the "face," and how it will relate to the rest of the Subaru lineup.

    Bob
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