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-mike
I was just reading the fine print that came with my credit card statement for last november. It said that effective January 1st they may begin charging interest on purchases effective the day of purchase. I read that to mean no more 30 day grace period. I also suspect when they say "may" means they will. Juice may be able to give us some enlightment on that as I think he travels in the financial circles somewhat. Am I all wet? Anybody else notice that?
Jim
for winter has a negligible effect on mileage. In fall I can fill up sunday night for example and refill friday. As the temperature drops it will require refilling thursday and below zero I will have to refill wednesday on a typical work week. When one considers the energy required for all the fluids in the differential, transmission, grease in bearings, pulleys, belts, compressors, pumps,etc to get to operating viscosity a tremendous amount of energy in the form of fuel is consumed. I don't doubt that winter gas plays a role but I think it is almost insignificant.
Jim
Jim
Thanks for the comments.
Bob
I was born and raised in Ironwood. I live in Crystal Falls now about 100 miles east. I bought a used subaru about 3 or 4 years ago and had some questions and you and Patti tried to help. I remember you said you had visited up here when you were young. It's great in the summer but I'm getting too old for the winters. It is peaceful though and my home.
I bought a 97 Impreza. Has 67000 miles on it now. Great winter car. Thanks for the note. Makes me feel welcome.
Jim
Years ago I tried an experiment. Our garage was just a unheated wooden building. It was about 35 below. I tried pouring some 5w 30 into a container. Wouldn't even pour. then I tried synthetic and it poured slowly almost like molasses. So it makes a difference. That's why people shouldn't worry about cold engine noises. I think if it goes away by the time the engine warms up then it is normal clatter and not a piston slap problem. Mine is making lots of noise at startup now, but in the summer you can't even hear it.
Jim
I was in Ironwood and Hurley a year and a half ago. One of my aunts had passed away and the services were up there. It was the first time I had been there since I was 12 or so. I, along with my other cousins, visited the Mining Museum in Hurley, the family's old home, the "remains" of the old high school in Hurley, the old (and long closed) Papst mine my grand dad helped erect, etc. I really enjoyed it—and learned a lot about the Gogebic area.
Here's a site on the history of the area. I've found several of my "Stevens" relatives listed here in the early city directories—even found my mother's name! . http://mattsonworks.com/
Bob
So I'll keep mine. If you carry a balance, you might want to consider switching, but I think the trend is all cards are headed in that direction.
-juice
I realize Lutz has an emotional attachment to the company, but c'mon, GM has enough problems, divisions, and overhead costs on their own.
This just makes no sense at all. They should be selling Saab.
-juice
Jim
Jim
Some of my relatives used to live on Ayer Street many, many years ago. When did you graduate high school? I have a cousin who graduated from Hurley in 1962. Maybe you know him? Joe Stevens.
Bob
Jim
Jim
My mom was raised in Iron River. I grew up in Negaunee, so I'm not really familar with the west end of the UP.
I do like pasties, though!
My husband hunts on land near Crystal Falls every deer season, and he brough back a bunch of pasites for the freezer. Still working on them...
I love going back home during the winter, for some real winter weather! Although we've had a good bit of it in the lower peninusla this year too.
My VDC loves to go up north too, to see all the subies around!
Christina
Hard to believe we've got this "Yooper" discussion going here! When I was up there I didn't see many Subies, which surprised me. With all the snow you get up there I thought I would see more. There also didn't seem to be many dealers up there either, also surprising. Maybe Subies are viewed as being too expensive for most of the folks up there?
Bob
Nice to hear from a fellow Yooper! I worked for the U.S. Forest Service for awhile in Iron River. Your husband may have hunted on American Can woodlands near Amasa. I worked there for awhile too. The southern most part of the U.P. didn't get much snow so far. I only have about 4" on the ground and maybe total 20 inches for the season. Quite a difference from Negaunee, Hougton and the lake counties.
Jim
I still think if subaru allowed more dealers they would really improve sales.
Jim
along with the rest of the discussion .. living near the southern border of Michigan, I actually met my first "yooper" on a visit to Texas ... lol
Years ago(long ago) I used to have a buddy with the last name of Corn. We were in a bar one night. A third friend called there to see if we were there. First time the bartender hung up the phone. The second time he looked around kind of sheepishly and said "Is there a corn or rye here?" When we both responded he said" I thought he was sh----- Me!
Jim
...and if you follow US-2 all the way to its western terminus, you'll end up at my city on Puget Sound: Everett, WA. Far apart, but connected by one winding highway. Head east instead, and you'll end up near some of our NE members in Boston. Not all the highway's sections connect, but it'd make one heck of a road trip!
You really get car(ried)away with the Rye jokes!
Caraway... boy, that was a bit of a stretch there. Sorry!
Nice area out there. My niece works in the tall building(Wells Fargo) in downtown Seattle. My son got married two years ago in Monroe. (I took Amtrak to Everett). Years ago my brother worked in Bremerton. Of the 4 times I've been to Seattle it's been warm and sunny. I like the farmers market there!We've had some birds dying here...they think they have a canarial disease called chirpies...they can't tweet it. :shades:
Jim
Ironwood is what, 20 miles from Lake Superior? So, like that section of NY, it's all lake-effect snow.
Bob
ssshhh! It's only supposed to rain here. Keeps the Californians away.
The way this thread's goin', I feel like breaking into song... "It's a small world, afterall..."
20 miles west and 15 south in some places you can see the snowbanks tapering down. Listening to CHWO toronto 740 am. Lot's of music like when we grew up. I noticed most car radio's now don't pick up am much better than my old crystal sets. Just read an item quoting the president of Auto Nation I think it was. He is going to reduce his inventory because american car makers are producing what is economical or what fits their production line and not what the public is asking for. Finally someone speaking up that can influence things. Whether they admit it or not, the new vehicles are really copying what subaru has been producing for a long time. I would think the stormy weather in the northeast should nudge up subaru's sales? Now if subaru would finally, respond and fix those pesky arm rests!!!!
Jim
Supports subaru's safety record.
Jim
http://www.fhi.co.jp/about/english/outline/fact/pdf/fact_06.pdf
http://www.fhi.co.jp/about/english/outline/fact/pdf/fact_all.pdf
Some interesting stuff here.
Bob
Bob
Jim :shades:
Bob
-juice
-mike
That's about what I have saved up, and right around my target price.
I guess it depends on how disciplined you are. If you know you will invest the money, then yes, finance more and earn more interest than you pay.
If you think you might blow it on a trip to Atlantic City, then put the money down.
Investing it also gives you more flexibility if an emergency pops up.
I think I will take low-rate financing (unless it means I lose a rebate) if it's offered. For instance, the 07 Tribeca has both cash back and low-rate financing, so I'd take a short 3-year loan to get the lowest rate, sure.
Catch is, my interest bearing accounts earn next to nothing nowadays, less than 1% for checking, not much more for savings. So I'll still probably put as much down as I can.
-juice
Are you trying to deal Juice or going with the VIP/Friends+Family deal?
-mike
You know me, I've been on The Fence for oh, about 7 years now.
So it depends. I'm waiting to see the 08 Tribeca. I've heard from a certain female superhero that it's worth the wait.
We do need something by summer, though. My wife just signed the kids up for camp, and we're car pooling with another big family. The parents will be taking turns taking FIVE KIDS back and forth every other day.
We don't even own a vehicle with 6 seat belts, and I work so 2 cars are not an option.
So my deadline is early summer.
VIP is 2% under invoice, but a peek at FitzMall tells me I can do better on an 07, as dealers are giving up their holdback and seemingly even more, not exactly sure how to be honest.
2007 Tribecas and Legacy both have rebates and low rates, you get both. The Forester gets either or, but not both.
Plus, I now have $1100 in Subaru Bucks. So even if I set a $30k price limit, I can spend $31,100 at the Subaru store, and still get the 1.9% financing for whatever I have to borrow. Pretty substantial savings.
The big question is how will they price the 08 models? If prices stay flat, invoice on an 07 7 passenger is about $31k, so I can do 2% lower than that, or about $30,380.
Minus the Subaru Bucks is $29,280, very reasonable IMO for the equipment levels.
I'll have to wait and see what incentives they offer. I seriously doubt it'll be both cash and a low rate.
I probably will use VIP if I get a new 08, but not for an 07, given the current deals.
-juice
joy.
-mike
Park your manhood at the door and get a MINI VAN!!!
Ody has a bit more road noise than I care for, though it has an outside shot. I also didn't like the EX-L seats, so I'd look at a cloth EX. I hate that it doesn't have VCM, though.
I like the Sienna, but the very minimum setup for me is an LE with Package 3 (stability control, VSC, and alloys are what I care for). That's $26,689, a bit steep given it's lacking heated seats, AWD, and a ton of other stuff. This would be a compromise that I might be willing to make if I don't like the 08 Tribeca.
Entourage is in the back of my mind, but here on Edmunds a lot of folks get pretty bad vibrations over 70mph, i.e. wheel balance problems that are as of yet unresolved. That gives me cold feet. I could get more than I want for less than my max budget, though, value is incredible.
I'm a bit mad because I've been keeping track of prices and they were much lower in November of last year. They're way up right now, i.e. not a good time to buy. I know it's the slow sales season, but you'd think that would motivate dealers to lower prices. Not so.
-juice
Cheers Pat.
http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070118/FREE/70117001&Profil- - e=1024
Better 3rd row access.
Bigger engine w/no premium fuel requirement.
Revised styling.
Improved visibility.
More equipment.
Same price. Sounds like "Wonder Woman" knows what she's talkin' 'bout.
Also of note: "Ishigami says Subaru won't offer higher incentives to run out the B9 Tribeca but has cut production so the supply dwindles." Sounds like the deals on '07s won't get any better than they are right now.
The engine the the better visibility are the biggies for me. I also hope they surprise us and come out with a bigger gas tank. I'm sure a 16.9 gallon tank would be an annoyance for me.
Sounds like a lot of big improvements to make the Tribeca more competitive. It's too bad the SUV market has dwindled.
tom
The problem is, Subaru cut supply drastically when Toyota took over an assembly line at SIA, so prices have been flat.
If the 08 has more content, I'll use up my Subaru Bucks and hopefully at least get a low rate for the loan.
-juice
Last year, at the time of buying the minivan, my wife and I fought about AWD in the Sienna, she said if I was to buy a OB, then it wouldn't be necessary two AWD in my house. Which is true, unless the extended family come in winter and want to go to the ski resorts, which hasn't happened so far. So, she won. But we paid in the 4th of July deals about $24k, taking advantage of the $2k rebate that Toyota put. LE 8 pass, VSC.
But then, last week I spend 9 days in Orlando on a rented Sedona, and let me tell you, the difference with the Sienna is that over 70 mph, accel is a bit coarse, but under 70 is a very nice motor. Sienna is nicer inside, but truth to be told, if I do it again and I can find an Entourage or Sedona with Stability and Traction, and DVD player at $21K, with that warranty, I'll jump.
Can you beleive an LE 8 passenger with VSC now costs nearly $27k?! That's up $3 grand from your price. This is in the dead of winter, supposedly a buyer's market. Not so.
And the Hyundai ain't that cheap, either. $22k for a GLS with all the safety stuff standard, but that's got plastic wheel covers. An SE is a good value (dual power sliding doors, alloys) at about $24k, but I saw one Limited model for $25k that was really tempting me. That had heated leather seats, luminescent gauges, ACC, power seats with memory, power tail gate, the works.
NAV is an overpriced option, even for Hyundai. A moonroof adds about a grand. DVD is overpriced, too. Costco has a 10" screen that is under $600 installed.
So I was tempted to get that Limited for $25k, put in that Costco DVD, and have it all for $25.6k. Add a portable GPS and I'm still under $26k for every option I want, minus a moonroof.
That compares favorably to a loaded Sienna for around $42k, sure.
-juice
PS That Limited van sold, bummer. Cheapest one now is $27k and adds only a moonroof. :sick:
Steve
We all want the best deal ever, but of course only one single person really gets that. :shades:
-juice
You're going to put aftermarket on anyways aren't you??