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  • kurtamaxxxguykurtamaxxxguy Member Posts: 1,798
    Possibly for a ship (no match for the huge TITANIC steam engine, but far more efficient and up to date.) ?
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    Yeah, that's what I was thinking of, a ship of some sort... Looks to be a 6-cylinder diesel. The pistons are probably the size of a neighborhood hot tub. ;)

    Bob
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,728
    Wow... that is amazing. Look at all the tires on that flatbed!!!!
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  • robr2robr2 Member Posts: 8,805
    That motor is probably for their bucket wheel excavators:

    http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap061122.html
  • kurtamaxxxguykurtamaxxxguy Member Posts: 1,798
    That makes sense...that's one monster of a machine! :surprise:
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Don't show paisan, he'll want one for his tow rig. :D

    Also - that gives "no replacement for displacement" a whole new meaning.
  • sgloonsgloon Member Posts: 323
    Have any of you seen/heard about the "new" super turbo engine?

    http://vandynesuperturbo.com/index.html

    I just heard Ed Van Dyne talk about his invention this evening and it sounds not only great & practical, but they are on a fast track to finish up 2nd generation testing and then on to production. They mount the super-turbo atop a regular piston type engine to get about 30% improvement in efficiency.

    Wish I could buy some stock in this company...but it is only for Angel Investors & the like now from what I understand. I believe they are expecting the first "new" cars with this technology to be available in 4 years time or so...

    Comments?
  • kurtamaxxxguykurtamaxxxguy Member Posts: 1,798
    Very interesting, thanks.
    May be worth investing in...will try to find out more.
  • grahampetersgrahampeters Member Posts: 1,786
    G'day

    The diesel motor is probably for a ship. To get an idea of the engines used, google "Emma Maersk"

    Bucket wheel excavators such as the one shown are commonly powered by electric motors especially in coal mines. It makes for a pretty big power lead!

    Cheers

    Graham
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    They're not the first but it they can really do it for $350 per vehicle then they've really got something.

    Isn't VW's 1.4l TFSI engine set up that way?
  • sgloonsgloon Member Posts: 323
    I'm not sure about that particular engine. However, VanDyne did say that they are mostly dealing with German companies, and specifically VW at the moment as far as contracts are concerned as they have been the most interested. They actually have a German salesman for the company.

    Is the 1.4L TFSI engine on the market currently? If so, it is not the exact same set up. He went over what the competitors are doing, and they have different setups. It may look a bit the same from the drawings, but he explained the differences between them in both setup and performance.

    The big thing was the increase in performance was dramatic over the existing turbo or supercharger engines.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I think so, Europe only though.
  • sgloonsgloon Member Posts: 323
    Maybe Subaru will get smart and jump on the band wagon here quickly. The main thing for most mfg's is that they will be able to reduce the size of their own engine, and still gain power and response time (.02 seconds from gas pedal to moving). So, I expect it might take a bit to downsize....design, retool, etc. Yet have more power than with the conventional engine.

    And...it won't be separate option like they have the turbo models now. It'll be the same for everyone!
  • lucien2lucien2 Member Posts: 2,984
    Let go of her clutch master and slave cylinder yesterday. $771, plus towing. Stranded Kirsten at a gig, too. :(

    We just keep fixing it, ya know? We're probably $5k into it now, in the last 12 months. I do think it's time to get serious about a new car for the wife and child, and relegate the OB to hauling jobs, inclement weather duty, and the like.
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    My gut says your gut is correct. How many miles on it Loosh?

    Bob
  • lucien2lucien2 Member Posts: 2,984
    almost 150k. It's overall in good shape; I'm not making the mistake I made with my old 4Runner. The OB stays with us until she rusts out. But she might need to be put out to pasture.
  • lucien2lucien2 Member Posts: 2,984
    :cry: Waaaaaahhhh!!!!

    uh uh she's not there yet.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    That happened to our 626 after 7 years. I'm not sure how much longer it lasted because we sold it.

    Then again, I kept my Miata until it was 16 years old.

    You never know...I agree with Bob about going with your gut. Plus I can vouch for a spare car being a very useful thing.
  • ladywclassladywclass Member Posts: 1,713
    we can, too ....

    I still own a '93 Olds Cutlass Ciera that I drove, then daughter drove through college, and then it has been the "spare" for some time ... nice to have when mine has to be in during work hours .. nice for the last couple of months that husband has driven it while waiting to get his car fixed ...(long story) ...

    and as of Mother's Day he is on "indefinite layoff" .... we should be fine ... and we do expect him to go back to work possibly late summer ... but .. well ... you know ...
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,728
    Good thing you have that Wii! :P

    Seriously, though, I hope things work out for him.
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
  • ladywclassladywclass Member Posts: 1,713
    Hey we never get to play the Wii ... the grandsons are on it all the time!

    Today he spent most of the day trying to clear out a clog somewhere in the sink drain line. It's far enough down that he had part of the basement ceiling out (suspended ceiling in that area) and running a snake down from there ... so far it's not working ....

    glad he's the one that ran the stuff down the disposal that I was going to toss in the trash can .... LOL
  • kurtamaxxxguykurtamaxxxguy Member Posts: 1,798
    I remember years ago C&D worked on a Mitusi Evo, trying to get its HP well over 400. They managed to do it, and then destroyed various parts of its driveline every time they tried to use that much HP.

    Have there been any rough estimates as to how much HP a Subaru Impreza driveline can withstand before sustaining severe drive line damage?
    Driveshafts / half-axles permanently twisted? Gearbox teeth sheered off?
  • grahampetersgrahampeters Member Posts: 1,786
    G'day

    Sorry to hear of the layoff. Even the very healthy Australian Economy has slid a little with unemployment up from historic lows and forecast to peak at about 8.5%.

    Perversely, I am the busiest that I ever have been and know it will get worse. Insurance claims always increase through the early years of a recession and there is a skills shortage which we have been trying to address by training for some years, but still about 40% down on our ideal staff numbers. It takes about five years to train up and I would guess potential recruits are a fraction of a percent, due to the fundamental skill sets required.

    My travel (admittedly much of it by air) is up a huge amount and I wonder when to replace the Kluger. It has done a steady 25,000km per year and worst problem was when the radio rattled. Warranty runs out at five years but I am tempted to set a benchmark and run the vehicle until say repairs exceed AUD3,000 over three month period. The flip side is that my daughter starts learning to drive in a few months and I would prefer a small manual car for her to learn in. I ponder getting something small and cute, possibly a Smart car or a Mitsubishi Colt.

    Cheers

    Graham
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Well, to be fair to Subaru, they think it can handle the power the vehicle comes with.

    Any time you upgrade one part of the driveline, the weakest link will be exposed.

    The STI has a solid 6 speed manual, so I doubt it's the trans. But 4 summer tires with lots of grip put a huge amount of stress on the driveline when more than 300hp come pounding down.

    My guess is we'd see axles fail once you pass 350hp or so, basically same as the C&D project EVO.
  • ricebeaterricebeater Member Posts: 1
    Steve (and anyone you think appropriate to pass to)

    I have a PassMaster that I used on a '76 Subaru in about '80. I've lost the instructions. I would like to use it on my '91 Honda 4wd wagon. The engin is like the si engine. I want to know were would be the best place to tap into the vacuum. It is fuel injected (original equipment). Even if you don't know, give me an educated guess, because that's what I'm going to do.
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    Best crab cakes ever... The Stoney Creek Inn.

    http://www.stoneycreekinnrestaurant.com/

    Took the family there today. Had a 12 oz crab cake sandwich. Yes, a 3/4-pounder—and boy was it good! Same with the Cream of Crab soup; the best I've ever had.

    Bob
  • lucien2lucien2 Member Posts: 2,984
    middle of ^%$# nowhere though, is the only issue. luckily my office is also in the middle of ^%$# nowhere, so I'm about 3 miles away for lunch!
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  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    Well, that explains how you found it. :)

    It's a bit of a drive from my place, almost 29 miles, but worth it. Sat outside, and there was a great breeze coming off Stoney Creek. Oh, also had one of their home-made ice cream sandwiches for dessert. Yum...

    Bob
  • volkovvolkov Member Posts: 1,306
    350 in an STi is nothing. Over on Nabisco there are a few folks running in the 400hp range with the Dynos to prove it. Try a search over there. Snapping axle or LSD is reported but but seem to come in at higher outputs into the 400s in most cases. Given the DSM rep, I'd have expected the tranny to blow before doing an axle.
  • lucien2lucien2 Member Posts: 2,984
    Soul first:

    This was a Sport model with CVT, no manuals available. First off, it is roomy. as roomy, perhaps slightly more so, than our current BG Outback, in terms of passenger comfort. But with only 1st gen impreza cargo capacity. Until you flip the seats down, then the thing has plenty of hauling space. Interior appointments are fine, although the door trim plastics are hard and cheap as is much of the switch gear. Dash is attractive and functional, and even base models offer full USB bluetooth integration, for iPods and mobile devices.

    On the road, the car was planted, with heavy steering and plenty of grip. Adequate power, on a par with the old EJ22. brakes were good too. Ride was a little choppy, not surprising for the "sport" suspension. All in all an impressive effort for KIA. I'm sure corporate would be appalled at the $4k dealer mark up over sticker. Positively moronic.

    The Cube was a much different driving experience. Here, the emphasis is on comfort....but French. That is to say, not the wafty neo-Buick dramamine of my Camry, but rather the controlled cush of an old-school Citroen or Peugeot. Try to toss it and there is drama....but it tosses, nonetheless. Interior plastics are still hard, but overall it's a little tick nicer than Soul. Interior is comfortable, relaxed, and airy. Without cargo to carry, rear passengers can slide the seats back AND recline them, making for a positively limo-like experience. Ginormous glass all around makes for an open, light cabin with lots of visibility. I found the gauges too gimmicky, but that's a minor quibble. The best part, in a way, is that the higher trim levels (integrated USB, interior lighting, bigger stereo, alloys, sunroof etc) force you into the CVT. Since the 6MT is a non-negotiable criterion for the DW, we'd be restricted from paying any more than $15,400 sticker, funnily enough.

    They are both inexpensive, tremendously versatile little haulers, and they both get very good mileage. As of this writing, I'm leaning toward a Cube with a nice set of aftermarket rims...I have a feeling most of the Kia's...er, soul...is in those 18" rims and 45 series tires.
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    One of the reasons I bought my current WRX at Herb Gordon Subaru in Silver Spring, MD was that they offer dealer loaners to their customers. If they're out of Subaru loaners, they have a deal with an Enterprise outlet that's maybe 50 feet from their Service department. In the past I've been loaned several new '09 Foresters, an '09 Outback and a '09 Dodge Ram 1500 pickup (yes, that was from Enterprise).

    Today I got an new Impreza sedan—with NAVI. This is the first loaner that I've gotten that was equipped with NAVI—and I love it. I now wish I not listened to everyone when I was shopping my '09 WRX last fall. Everyone said don't get the NAVI as it was lousy, and not worth the money. I debated over this for some time and finally decided to take everyone's advice and not get the built-in NAVI. Now I'm sorry I listened to everyone, and should have gone with my gut. Oh well, live and learn...

    I will say, however, is that dealers who equip their loaners with built-in NAVI are making a very smart move. What a great way to get customers, who are either on the fence about NAVI (built-in vs portable), or who know no little or nothing about NAVI, to sway them over to a factory built-in unit the next time they're in the market for a new car. As I said, this is a very smart move on Herb Gordon's part. I just hope that the next loaners that they put into fleet use are also NAVI-equipped.

    BTW, this new Impreza sedan, as compared to my '09 WRX, is very quiet with very little tire or road noise, and has reasonable power. For someone who is not a car-geek, this is a very nice ride. It looks to be getting about 3 mpg better than my WRX under similar driving conditions. The front seats though, are terrible—and I mean TERRIBLE! There is absolutely no side support, which discourages any sort of spirited driving.

    Oh, the reason my car is is in? Getting the steering wheel replaced, as the leather on my original steering wheel is starting to fray in two spots—and with only 8K on it! My service advisor said this is the second car he's seen with this problem, the other being a Legacy GT. Might Subaru have a problem here?

    Bob
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Fitz has just one in stock and it's a CVT cube, Krom model. MSRP is $20,320 and it's selling for $19,086.

    Very reasonable discount for such a new model. Of course that's why supply is short.

    I agree - a $4,000 markup in this economy is counter-productive. They probably just turn away would-be shoppers.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Tell us more...

    How do you like the interface? Easy enough to use?

    Have you entered several destinations? Did you like the path is chose to get you home?

    How complete is the points-of-interest database? It didn't list the 2 Exxons at White Flint, though I'm not sure if it just didn't have the correct regional settings.

    I found it cumbersome to use, the screen was a bit dim, and POIs missing. That, the $1800 price tag, and the $230 upgrade DVD prices convinced me to go aftermarket instead.
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    I didn't get into the POI stuff, but I liked everything else.

    I just like a NAVI that's totally integrated into all the car's systems (maintenance, audio, preferences, etc.). Aftermarket units can't do that. Plus the large screen high up on the dash is much easier (for me) to read and operate than smaller portable units.

    Bob
  • p0926p0926 Member Posts: 4,423
    Whoa!!! I coulda sworn a while back you were leading the charge to convince Juice NOT to get factory NAVI? One day in a loaner help you see things in a different light?

    -Frank
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    I don't know what you're talking about Frank?

    I've ALWAYs been a proponent of factory in-dash NAVI units. I much prefer them over the smaller portable units. Granted, some are better than others, but I think, all things considered, the factory units do a much a much better job of integrating various car functions such as preferences, audio, vehicle maintenance, etc.

    More expensive, yes. I still prefer them as I find them easier to read and use.

    When juice and I went to the NY show a couple of months back, we used his smaller Garmin. I found it hard to read because the screen is small, plus I'm not wild about the graphics either; also, we mounted it on interior air vents, which are a bit lower than would have liked. The voice promps interfered with the radio, so they were hard to understand. I just found it more aggravating than useful.

    Bob
  • lucien2lucien2 Member Posts: 2,984
    Since it has to be a manual, we actually can't go past the 1.8S trim level; beyond that, CVT is standard.

    I still think FIT will end up winning this, even though she's not excited about it visually. It's well received as a hoot to drive, she'd get all the USB connectivity to her iPhone and such, it's frugal, it's versatile, and it's affordable. On paper, it's the winner for me. I think once we get to the test-drive phase of this, she's going to find that FIT is the closest to the Clubbie driving experience she loves. Either that or she'll opt out entirely in favor of the exotica that is Cube.

    We've got a lot on our plate this summer, so we're in no hurry.

    I drove my friend Darin's new Impreza Sport. Nice. Really nice. swap in a pair of WRX seats and I'd be happy. When it comes time to replace the trusty OB, I can't see how anything else would work better than an Impreza 5 door.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Bob said the same thing about the seats in his loaner, preferring his WRX seats.

    And by the way, I'm with Q on the Fit, in fact I sort of like the previous version better, stylistically.
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    It's funny, the WRX and STI seats have been highly criticized by those disappointed that US-spec cars didn't get Recaros, like the EVO and JDM STIs. Yet I find my WRX seats to hold me in place in all but the most aggressive type of driving—and they're very comfortable.

    Lesser Imprezas, however, have just awful front seats. Side support is virtually non-existent. This is a shame as earlier Imprezas (my son's '06 OBS) and Foresters (my wife's 01 S Premium) have pretty decent seats.

    Bob
  • p0926p0926 Member Posts: 4,423
    "I don't know what you're talking about Frank"

    Sorry about that Bob, must be old age :) I guess it was you who was in favor of getting factory NAVI and Juice who couldn't see the benefit.

    FYI, the widescreen Garmins are pretty nice. Whether you mount one on the windshield or attached to an air vent is personal preference (the first option has better sight lines but sticks out far more). I agree that the voice prompts are annoying when you're listening to the radio. My fix is to mute the volume and just glance at the screen periodically. If real concentration is required, I'll mute the radio instead.

    -Frank
  • volkovvolkov Member Posts: 1,306
    The only thing I and my kids hate about my WRX seats are the static shocks, even now it's Summer basically. I caught myself the other day and realized that unconsciously I tap the frame of any door I'm entering to ground myself prior to grabbing the handle.
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    Hmmm... Never had that problem.

    Bob
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    Yup, juice is the one always championing the portables. I understand where he's coming from, and his points are valid. But at the end of the day, I still think the superior integration of vehicle functions and the larger screen of the in-dash units serve my needs best. It's just too bad they're so expensive. :(

    The new in-dash 2010 Legacy/Outback NAVI is almost perfect. For the same price of last year's NAVI they've included a rear camera, Bluetooth and Bluetooth Streaming Audio (see link). Finally, the screen is even larger, up from 7" to 8". That's pretty tempting.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzvrZaQ9aQ4

    Bob
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I like Garmins mostly because they're easy to use and offer enough variety that there is something for everyone, from basic to very high-end.

    About the vent mounts - I got that because it brings the touch screen closer to you. Easier to enter addresses. It is lower on the dash, but actually less of a reach, even compared to a built-in GPS on that Impreza.

    The alternative is a windshield mount, which is a bit far away, depending on the vehicle. On my van it's WAAAAAY out there, you can't reach while in the driver's seat, so the vent mount made sense.

    To clarify, though - I am not against a built-in GPS, not at all. It's just that I demand value for my money so I have very high standards for an $1800 option. At that price it should have:

    * biggest screen possible
    * backup camera
    * no loss of audio options

    Now I will elaborate.

    The Forester w/Navi that I test drove had a 6" screen. I think the Tribeca's was bigger, 7" or so, and the new Outback is 8", IIRC. Correct me if I'm wrong, please. But the screen isn't really that big.

    2nd, no backup cam is a mistake. It would let you line up a trailer, for instance. And why not? The incremental cost to the manufacturer is less than $100, and remember they're getting $1800 for this option.

    I'm not sure about the last one, but do you sacrifice the 6CD changer when you get the GPS option on the Forester? I don't recall specifically.

    So to fork out $1800 and not get a big screen, not get a backup cam, not get voice recognition for hands-free operation, and give up a 6CD changer, not to mention an interface I did not find easy to use (even the salesman was no help), I decided against it.

    Yet another negative - you cannot turn safe mode off so while driving you cannot enter destinations. This was a pain when we had the Tribeca. We had to pull over on a highway to enter a revised destination. Totally dumb - the car has air bag sensors so it KNOWS when a passenger is in the car, and should turn that safety mode off to allow the passenger to enter a new destination.

    The difference between my evaluation and Bob's is that I was looking at the functionality of the navigation tools offered for the pricey $1800, while Bob is mostly considering the design and integration of the system. He tried one destination that was already on the device, but I don't think he tried entering new addresses (not enough time). So he didn't really conduct a comprehensive test of the navigation aspect.

    For $149 my screen is indeed smaller, but it's mounted closer to me so I don't have to reach as far, I can turn off safe mode so a passenger can enter destinations while the car is moving, and updates are $65 instead of $230.

    No backup cam, but at least I didn't give up the 6 CD changer.

    So I respect his opinion, especially when it comes to design, but I still don't regret passing on that overpriced, not-the-best OE Navigation option.

    If Subaru is reading this, please put the one from the Outback in the Impreza/Forester, and keep the same price.
  • p0926p0926 Member Posts: 4,423
    I have two big problems with factory GPS:

    a. Price - As Juice pointed out, you can get similar capability for a fraction of the price.

    b. Upgradability - GPS technology is steadily improving so the factory unit you get today will be totally obsolete in just a few years, long before the vehicle needs replacing.

    -Frank
  • tsytsy Member Posts: 1,551
    Actually, you can buy aftermarket in dash Navi's for pretty cheap now- Pioneer has their AVIC and Kenwood has a few using Garmin technology. I was looking into this option since the units are around $500, not much more than portable units. If you're reasonably handy you can install them yourself.

    I agree with Frank- I was driving my parents Lexus, a 2006 and the Navi already looked old! It was awesome 3 years ago- but now is behind the times. Still works though.

    tom
  • tsytsy Member Posts: 1,551
    I agree Bob, the seats are fine for everyday reasonably agressive driving. I would say they're not so ideal for the track though.

    I do like the Recaros in the Evo X and wish we had them here- but oh well.

    I just put my summer wheels and tires on my STi yesterday- will have to post some pics when I have time.

    tom
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I sampled the Pioneers in a store, and wasn't impressed. Same issue I had with the built-in one in the Forester - clumsy interface.

    I'm a software guy, so I pay attention to ease of use a lot. That's where Garmin wins, in my book.

    I would pay a little more and get the Kenwood you also mentioned. They're closer to $800 or so, but again you get the Garmin navigation.

    Click for pic: http://carjamz.com/zen/images/DNX7120.jpg

    I will say this - it's really not that hard to install a double-DIN sized stereo, and cars like the Impreza and Forester have that perfect, standard sized opening. Add a harness and it's truly plug-and-play, no splicing required, though you will have to open up the center console and dash. It's not as hard as it sounds.

    For $1800 I'd just like to see more features to justify the more-than-double price, such a big screen, backup cam, bluetooth integrated, voice commands, etc.

    The catch, though, is you remove the 6CD changer to install that. If that's the plan it may make more sense to get a more basic model, so you're only giving up a single CD, and spending less on the vehicle to begin with.

    I think if I had bought that Miata Sport instead of the Touring I'd be shopping for a Kenwood 7120 right now, instead of the portable.
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