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I have few questions:
1. The Dealer assured me that I need not pay the Mass state tax of 5%. On talking to 2 of my friends today morning they told me that I need to pay state tax for any product that I buy in Mass. Is this true? Who is the best contact for getting more info on this?
2. The Dealer mentioned that the Registration fee is only 50$. But on talking to the City hall in New Hampshire they told me that it would around $450 for a $30000 vehicle.
3. Do you incur any losses if you back out of a deal? I did sign up all the paper work.
Can you please let me know more info on the above 3 questions asap? I need to make a decision by eod today whether to go ahead with my deal or to back out of my deal?
Thanks in advance for your help.
So you will probably have to pay the $450
MSRP (after mid-year price increase) $28,150
Invoice $26,191
Destination $590
My original goal was: invoice-dealer incentive-holdback+destination=26,191-1000-805+590=24,976
I calculated holdback according to the information obtained from the Net, as sum of 1% of Base MSRP plus 2% base Invoice, i.e 0.01 x 28,150 + 0.02 x 26191.
Ended up buying from Passport Infiniti from Alexandria, VA. I live in Phila suburbs, so took Amtrak train, and then was picked-up by the Passport guy. The selling price was $24,996 right on my goal.
I also got 2.9% financing from IFS (Infiniti Financial Services) for 60 month. IFS also have 1.9% financing for a shorter term.
Dealing with Passport Infinity in Alexandria was a pleasure, when I arrived at the dealership to pick the car up, the paperwork was ready, car prepared, and I left within 1.5 hours of arrival. That included all paperwork; financing and PA tag information, detailed instructions for the car controls and features.
For anybody interested in researching 2004 G35 inventory, highly recommend infinity’s site www.infiniti.com. I left Passport Infiniti around 1:30 pm. The car I bought was already removed from the Infiniti site inventory when I checked it around 10:00 that night.
So given a unit with a purchase price of $35,000, 48 mo lease, 15K miles/yr, rate of 1.87, $4000 dwn (this includes the 1st mo payment; trade value $16000 payoff $22600 (neg equity), $10.7% tax.
What would my payments be a month?
Appreciate the advise.
1. Infiniti.com (FINANCE - CURRENT OFFERS) still shows 1.9 and 2.9 financing
2. I got $24,996 quote from Passport Infiniti on Monday, 01/31/05. I did arrange for buying the same day, but I could have called them back today instead. If their incentive was about to expire, I think they would put something in their quote saying that offer is good only for a day, which they did not.
On a different note, anybody who is considering taking advantage of favorable conditions and buying 2004 G35, should act without delays, because inventory is going to shrink. I, for example, limited my choice to a base sedan, specific color. On last Saturday afternoon I was able to locate 3 cars on Mid-Atlantic/Northeastern seaboard: one in Alexandria, VA, another on Long Island, NY and third one in Boston. All three base G35 in NY, including one in color I wanted were gone by the end of the weekend...
The other posters had the sales tax right. You don't pay it.
For NH registration, you will need to pay excise tax to the town. I paid around $671, but this included 14 months of tax (thru March '06). In NH, if your birth month is within 4 months of when you register, you can register ahead to the next year.
One minor pain with an out of state purchase is that you need to bring your own temp plate. To get one in NH, bring a copy (fax is ok) of the purchase and sales agreement from the dealer to any NH registry. You pay $20 or so for a 20-day temp plate.
Hope that helps... Good luck with the car.
I picked up my car yesterday. I did n't have to pay the Mass state Tax as mentioned in your replies. I got a 20 day temp plate for $10 as well. The only thing left out is to pay the excise tax to the town and enjoy the drive.
I just bought a 2005 G35 sedan with premium, sports, navigation, and Sirius satellite for $35,100. (A little over $400 over invoice)Bought at Cerritos Infiniti by using the infiniti's website quote tool. I could find the exact car I wanted and get a quote via email. I found some dealers were not willing to provide a quote via email, (they offered for me to come in and look at their cars). I already knew the exact car I wanted so I went with the most up front dealer. I just went to Cerritos Infiniti reviewed the car, signed the papers and drove away. They were straight forward and no games.
Details:
Brilliant Silver
Premium Package
Wood Package
Navigation
Mats
Total Price: $36159.00
Best Dealer in a 200 mile region (Washington DC to New York) is Infiniti of Denville - Salerno- Duane Infiniti, NJ. See the Internet Manager Only.
No bargaining needed, most pleasant buying experience I have ever had in a car purchase.
Thanks guys !
Anyway - I am down to a 2004 G35 or an Acura TL.
Invoice on the 2004 leather is $27,876 plus around 2100 for premium package.
Dealer is trying to tell me invoice is $30200 plus premium.
He also says there is no holdback from Infiniti.
Can someone help me validate this - Edmunds no longer has invoice prices for 2004
I have invoice plus premium at around 29,900
Don't know about '04's on actual invoice prices but you can always ask to see the actual invoice. Also, just about 3 hours ago, the dealer here called and came back and budged about $1600 on the first offer they gave me on an '05 G35X. Went down $25 on monthly payments and added the sport tuned option and located one not from his lot (at his cost to pick it up). There was only one G35X in the lot. So the demand is there but I truly believe they have room to budge - they sometimes want to make too much out of a deal. That is where you need to be willing to walk away ... As for me still deciding on a BMW X3 or the G35X. Payments and terms will decide.
Good luck
There is infiniti holdback: 1% of Base MSRP + 2 % of Base Invoice. See details how calculations worked-out for me in post #2043. Try not to mention holdback to sales people - drives them crazy. Just do your math and tell them the buying price.
Also, there might be still a $1,000 dealer incentive on 2004 G35 (if it was extended beyond 1/31/05). The accompanying 1.9%/2.9% financing special is still valid - go to infiniti.com (FINANCE-CURRENT OFFERS)
Their target price is pretty accurate. They show $500 over invoice for 05 G35 sedans.
I just got a based model 2005 G35X for $30,900. The internet department's offer easily beat the 3 other dealers I contacted.
I'm looking to purchase a 6MT coupe with all packages (aero, prem, nav, wood) in the coming months. How are people doing in the Bay Area with prices? Is it possible to do $500 to $1000 over invoice on coupes? Also, I am curious as to why more people opt on taking cars off of the lot instead of ordering a brand new car? I'm pretty sure all of the cars on the lot are available for customer test drives. Thanks for any responses!
benderofbows, "Real-World Trade-In Values" #24863, 7 Feb 2005 3:35 pm
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My thinking now is to get the 2005 G35 6MT but forgo the Premium Pkg. so I don't have a sunroof and I get another 1.5 inches over my head which will make the headroom fine. My concern is that the base without the premium pkg. will leave me with a pretty weak interior. I don't care about the sunroof, but the base stereo concerns me. I have heard that the Bose isn't even that good so the stock must be terrible. I think power seats are standard so that is good. Also, intelligent key is not available on the 6MT if I read correctly.
So, does any one here have the base 6MT or have they sat in one to see if it is to spartan inside? You can probably pick one up for $29k or so I would think?
Also, I really like the TL but I have heard so many bad things about the ride, the vibrations, the seats, and the bluetooth not working. Are these justified or is it just exaggerated?
I've had an '05 base TL for about a month now. Having tested against the '05 G35X, I found the TL to have a smoother, much quieter ride than the G. IMHO, better interior/exterior style (although the '05 G interior is an improvement). Seats are much firmer than my prior ride ('99 Chrylser 300M), still getting used to them. I don't believe I'm having any vibration issues and can't comment on bluetooth (but is that really that important, it is a car not a phonebooth!). Only complaint so far is POOR snow performance and possible flatspotting of the Bridgestone EL42s. Loved the G (as well at the TL, actully) power and handling. Exhuast note is great too! But after the Chrysler (great car, loved it!) I really wanted a quiter ride. G had a lot of wind noise. Both TL and G are winners.
The key is to take as long test drives as possible, I drove the G for about an hour (which moved it behind the TL due to noise and ride for me), the TL twice for an hour each (and the Mercedes E320 twice. Nice car, but ultimatley just was not worth $15k+ over the TL or G to buy).
Good luck, you can't go wrong. Let us know the winner, the Patriots of cars for you!
'21 Dark Blue/Black Audi A7 PHEV (mine); '22 White/Beige BMW X3 (hers); '20 Estoril Blue/Oyster BMW M240xi 'Vert (Ours, read: hers in 'vert weather; mine during Nor'easters...)
I am glad that you have had such a good experience with your TL. Maybe I do need to do the longer test drive. Both test drives were about 20 minutes each. The G was a blast and the TL was very nice. Each time I left the respective cars I thought that that was the one that I was going to get.
The TL is not out of the equation by any stretch. Just doing my research. I love the space of the TL over the G even though some say that they are even in interior space.
I do have to say that Infiniti of Tampa has been fantastic throughout this process, and I have had a mixed bag of Acura dealers. When I am in the Infiniti dealership, I am treated like I am buying a luxury car - no pressure, told that I could extend the testdrive as long as I wanted; I don't get that feel from the Acura people - they immediately wanted to ask about leasing, trade-ins, etc.
I am going to go drive them back-to-back, compare the numbers, consider the after-sale issues/perks (service dept hours, what kind of loaner do I get, carwashes, etc.) and take it from there.
Hopefully, Infiniti of Tampa won't disappoint when I sit down and talk pricing.
Amazing how the GO pedal can put a stupid grin on one's face...!
'21 Dark Blue/Black Audi A7 PHEV (mine); '22 White/Beige BMW X3 (hers); '20 Estoril Blue/Oyster BMW M240xi 'Vert (Ours, read: hers in 'vert weather; mine during Nor'easters...)
TL: Great interior/gadgetry, 6 speed with ltd slip and Brembo's a big plus. I like the styling a lot. Torque steer seems horrendous. I'm worried about the tales of vibration, bad tires, poor snow handling, etc. But any car I get I'll probably switch to winter tires this time of year since I live in NE OHIO.
300C: Hemi, nuff said. Still not real sure about the styling (I like my 300M Special better). And I won't pay sticker!
S4: Awesome power, great interior. Sleeper styling. Quattro. Price is probably out of range. Bugs me that the 6 speed manual carries a $1700 gas guzzler tax. May not be a problem because I didn't like the shift feel anyway, very notchy/balky and the clutch was real tight. Probably would order the tiptronic.
330Ci: Engine, handling, brakes, ergonomics, all feels perfect. I slipped right into it and took off. Power was more than I thought it would be given lowest HP/torque of the bunch. Seems faster than the stated 6.4 sec 0-60 time. Performance pkg boosts the HP/TQ and gets the times under 6 apparently (and has the M styling -nice). Trunk a little on the small side, but probably in line with other coupes (like the G).
Let the hunt continue...
The trunk in the G35 is larger than the TL and even larger than the 5-series. I thought the torque steer was awful on the TL, as well, and the FWD was one of my major considerations in going with the G35, although I thought the TL was wonderful otherwise.
The BMW is like the wife who looks great when you go out to parties, and all the guys are jealous, but is very high maintenance and doesn't treat you well when you're at home. The G35 may not turn heads as well, but is not as high maintenance and is the one you want to have waiting for you when you come home from work.
Don't know about the Chrysler, but think it looks cool.
007
You bring up a point I am somewhat concerned about, that is trunk space. I haven't seen the G coupe yet as I said above, but on Edmunds the trunk space is shown as smaller than than the 330Ci. It is listed as one of the complaints by the editors. Are you referring to the G35 sedan?
So sorry. I didn't read your earlier note carefully. I was talking about trunk space in the G35 sedan, not the coupe. The coupe's trunk space is very, very, limited, although I think you can fold down the rear seat to create extra room. I required a trunk that was wide enough and tall enough to carry certain items, and the coupe was a laugher. As I think I mentioned earlier, the G sedan's trunk was wider than the BMW 5-series.
If you're considering the TL and the others you mentioned, you're obviously not hung up on a coupe vs. a sedan, so I'd urge you to try the G sedan, as well. You get most of the good stuff, a couple of extra doors, and a lot more trunk space, along with a savings of more than two large on the invoice price. And, my impression is that the dealers are making better deals on the sedans, at least as far as purchasing goes.
My preference is toward purchasing rather than leasing, and keeping a car several years rather than trading after three or so, so our priorities on reliability may be different. However, I will mention that I had trouble with my last BMW from Day Zero, as it had defects when I picked it up.
I had a hard time deciding which car to get too. It took me about 2 months to decide on the TL while my wife was going nuts b/c she was getting so sick of waiting for me to make the decision.
It came down between the TL, G35 sedan, and BMW330 for me.
I really like the 330. I felt the ride quality was the best out of the three. Plus, the free maintainence, the marketing support, and the fact that I've always wanted to own one, it was really appealling. But I gave up on the 330 b/c of the interior space, the back seat is just too small. Also, I worry about the repairs since I'll be keeping it for more than 4 years.
G35 was really tough to let go. Dealer was the nicest out of the three. I know what you mean by having a stupid grin on your face on the test drive. Power and handing are great! I love the little things like power tilting and telescoping steering wheel and keyless entry. Also, infiniti is having a low apr finacing too.
But utimately, TL beat out G35 on the ride quality, interior space and nav system, three aspects which are really important to me. Plus i Know TL has good reliability. My friend has a 2002 TL, never had any problem.
Anyway, currently i'm trying to get a good deal on a TL. If I can't get one, I'll be going to the infiniti dealer for sure.
For us, the main reasons we've picked the G35 over the TL were the simple straight forward interiors and the RWD. The TL does have a lot in common with the Accord, not necessarily a bad thing though. As with interior space between the two, they are almost the same when comparing the specs on the brochures. Dollar for dollar, the TL has more features such as blue tooth, and memory setting for side mirrors which G35 lacks. But that's not big deal because G35 has RWD which important for me. Also, we like the look of the G35 with a factory spoiler(sedan) more. G35 seems to have a look that will do well with time. Almost forgot, TL has Bi-xenon headlights vs only xenon headlights from G35.
Good luck!
007
One of the major factor is that the TL windshield is more aggressively sloped, which may have benefits like reduced wind noise or sporty looking, but it also wastes some of the interior space. Because nobody uses the space above the dashboard and steering wheel. In addition, the sloped windshiel gets closer to your head, making a feel of confined and lacking headroom.
G35 has a less sloped windshield, a dash board that occupies less interior room, and a taller seat back. I also like the leather on the G better. So you feel less confined in G. Another thing I notice is, the back seat legroom of G is apperantly larger than TL's, but on the spec G=33.5', and TL=34.9'. I just don't understand how they get theses numbers.
The difference in the trunks between full size and space saver is that since the full size is taller when laying on it's side, the rest of the trunk has two inch tall styrofoam pads covering the trunk floor in order to have a level surface.
So it's not really usable space that's lost. In a pinch, you could remove the pads to regain the room.
To me, the full size spare makes little sense any more.
I think it was Cody I responded to earlier about the trunk space. He was looking at the coupe, which is an entirely different story, but my comments on the trunk space in the G were all based on the sedan with the smaller spare.
In my view, this is one of the better Infiniti dealerships in North Jersey area: they are polite, respectful, and not pushy. However, I felt that their sales tactics were somewhat strange. Here is why: I went there to compare FX35 and G35x last month, did not plan to buy at that time. The salesperson still wanted to talk about prices, mentioned the invoice price for G35x w/premium and sat radio, and asked how much do I think is fair to pay. I said $200 over invoice, he went to "check with the manager" and came back in a few min. And now comes the strangest part: he tells me that he was wrong to show me the invoice price (as if I did not know it), and they should be making money on the deal, they just sold the same car for 36K+, and the price the manager offers is $35,600 (a bit higher than $34,200). Naturally, I got very puzzled since I have never seen a negotiation strategy where you raise your own suggested price (I suggested the price, I know, but he gave me the ball park by asking how much over the invoice).
I started to leave, he asked me what is my final offer, I said $200 over invoice, he "talked to the manager", and they agreed. I also mentioned that I'd have to pick up the car in about three weeks - lease obligations - which would make it the first week of February and salesperson said OK. In three days their finance manager calls me and asks when am I picking it up. He got somewhat nervous when I said I needed it in February and started pushing for next week. Yes, it could be due to the end of month sales numbers, but if it is true what they say about the deal dated when the initial contract is signed, it should not matter. I think it had something to do with 1.9/2.9% financing that became available in February. I suspected such since there were no promotions in Jan, but wish they were more forthcoming about it (it really did not matter to me though, I paid the bulk of it in cash). So I went to Ramsey Infiniti and to make a long story short, got the same car plus wood interior (matter of preference, I understand) for $200 under the invoice plus they gave me trunk protector and all-weather mats (it is not much, but I did not ask for it, which makes it nice). There was practically no bargaining, they did not ask for proof of other deal - I did not even mentioned the other deal, just the price I was looking for.
I didn't know the G35 sedans are actually selling below invoice right now. Must be some kind of incentives????
007
Thanks,
William