Climate Control Problems (Air Conditioning, Heat) - All Cars

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  • jbumannjbumann Member Posts: 1
    1992 jimmy has no a/c and just radiant heat. I was told its a vacuum problem, and the dash needs to be taken apart to remedy the problem. Any suggestions?
  • heatertreaterheatertreater Member Posts: 50
    HVAC failures are common on Ford and other manufacturers systems. The problems generally date to the switch from manual control(slide lever from red to blue) to computer control. The problems come in with computer control over the DC actuator motor and the propensity for the plastic blend doors to break over time from the overstress of the motor...like bending a coat hanger back and forth until it breaks.

    These guys are the experts on blend door issues with multiple automobiles and the information on this web site should help understand and resolve some of the common problems. HVAC repair
  • heatertreaterheatertreater Member Posts: 50
    HVAC failures are common on Ford and other manufacturers systems. The problems generally date to the switch from manual control(slide lever from red to blue) to computer control. The problems come in with computer control over the DC actuator motor and the propensity for the plastic blend doors to break over time from the overstress of the motor...like bending a coat hanger back and forth until it breaks.

    These guys are the experts on blend door issues with multiple automobiles and the information on this web site should help understand and resolve some of the common problems. HVAC repair
  • bullman1bullman1 Member Posts: 1
    If you find out anything please advise me, I have a 96 lhs and it does same.
  • nbeltnbelt Member Posts: 13
    took the 94 lhs to the shop and they are telling me it needs a new climate control. the real kicker is that its gonna cost , get this, $573.00 for the part. when i asked why it was so expensive they had no explanation for me. the car is 14 years old and i dont think its worth much more than $600. i might be able to find one on ebay but i dont know if it will be any better than the one from the junk yard that doesnt work. let me know if you find out anything that is a little more promising than what i found out.
  • nbeltnbelt Member Posts: 13
    found a new heater control on ebay for $40 put it in and it works. but now it wont blow hot air. guys at the dealer tell me theres a door behind the dash that opens and closes to allow the hot air to come through. they said $900 to $1000 to reair that because they would have to take the whole dashboard assy out. good thing i didnt blow $573 on that heater control!! i gotta guy working on this door thing but i dont know if that will work. i guess well see
  • fordf250xlt4x4fordf250xlt4x4 Member Posts: 2
    Hi anyone,

    When I put the lever to MAX AC or AC it does not engage the compressor. It acts as if it's not getting electricity to the compressor. Is there a fuse I don't know about?

    1990
    XLT Bronco
    351 V8

    Thanks
  • securitya8securitya8 Member Posts: 1
    yes i agree to you and the best thing is to charge the http://www.buildingregister.com as soon as possible
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    That's a busted link and not an automotive one either, so I don't know what you're trying to do----hopefully not advertise something. :confuse:
  • astroman3astroman3 Member Posts: 5
    hello i have a 96 astro that heat works well,the front heat i guess blower will come on and off at will,the rear works perfect,,,when the front heat comes on it works great,then will just go out at will,,now that its freezing out,you really notice it,,any idea were to start,to find the issue??
  • kiawahkiawah Member Posts: 3,666
    Is it the heat (temperature hot vs. cold), or the blower (fan speed)?

    If it is the latter, the blower fan speed, then check the blower resistor bank which is usually in the air plenum, right at the output of the blower fan. The design typically uses the air from the blower fan, to cool the resistors which get hot. That resistor bank is what gives you the different blower speeds (controlled of course by the blower switch). If one of those resistor wires burns out, you'll get weird motor speed problems.
  • astroman3astroman3 Member Posts: 5
    sorry i wasnt more clear,the heat is fine its the blower that stops n starts at will,it just kicks on when it wants to or i hit a bump? its intermitent,its on one minute and off the next,not sure if a short or lose connection???
  • kiawahkiawah Member Posts: 3,666
    check the resistor bank
  • astroman3astroman3 Member Posts: 5
    were would that be located and what am i checking for....
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,690
    Another possibility is the blower motor is wearing out. It doesn't make contact at times and bumps and vibration will allow the brushes to make contact again. The more it wears the worse it will get.

    And check the connectors on the wires to motor. Heating will often burn the plastic connectors or the metal contacts causing them to make and break connection because of poor contact.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • kiawahkiawah Member Posts: 3,666
    Inside the car, up on the firewall, typically on the passenger side, you'll see a squirrel cage blower motor shape. You should find at the output plenum of that blower motor, some wires going in which attach to a resistor bank. Pull that out, and visually check to see if the wires are all connected. If they are, then check is with a ohmmeter.
  • astroman3astroman3 Member Posts: 5
    thanks for the replys,,it makes sense on the blower motor contacts,im sure its more that then the resistor bank as i think if the traces burnt or something along that line it would just quit,but the motor brushes not making contact due to wear makes sense,,,how hard is the job and about how long to do the blower motor swap from start to finish,,on a scale of difficult 1-10 how hard is it????
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,690
    I do not know where the blower fan is on an Astro, whether it's accessible from under the hood area or from under the dash probably on the passenger footwell side.

    If it's the typical GM setup the power through resistors may kill one speed or more of the lower speeds depending on where in the series the break occurs. However the high speed is usually controlled by a relay and doesn't go through the resistors because of the high amperage draw involved. So if the problem is resistor pack, switching to high usually will work fine. You hadn't mentioned that so I suspected the blower motor. Ideal is if it won't work and you know where the motor is and you can tap it gently with a hammer or a screwdriver handle and it starts moving with the vibration making contact.

    Good luck. You might post in a group related to Astro vans to have someone tell you where the blower is located.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • astroman3astroman3 Member Posts: 5
    ok after further investigation i found out,that in fact it is running but while on hi,it will drop out and sound like it quits ,but in fact it is on low,,so its going from high speed to low speed on its own,so maybe the resistor pack you mention? , and were is that located? ,same place as the motor? ,someone said the motor is behind the wiper n radiator refill bottles,and have to remove the headlight to get to?,,can anyone verify this? ,its -14 degree here lol and dont wana waste alotta time out there,thanks to all....
  • techman41973techman41973 Member Posts: 83
    I have a 97 Accord with about 280K. Often the AC compressor will shutdown (most likely from overheating), mostly when I am driving low speeds or idling. On the freeway I NEVER have this problem. Engine coolant temperature and coolant levels are fine. I discovered that EVERYTIME I have this problem, the accessory (2nd) radiator fan isnt spinning. I believe its this fan that helps cool the AC evaporator. If I move the blades with a pencil, they do start spinning. Which means the fan is getting electrical power. The bearings are probably starting to go. No doubt I need to replace this electric fan. I need to postpone this repair if possible. I tried spraying a bit of WD40 in the motor armature. It didn't help. Is there anything else I can spray in there that could help extend the life of the fan?
    Thanks
  • kiawahkiawah Member Posts: 3,666
    Doubt that any spray will work.

    If you can't afford a new replacement motor, you may want to check a junk yard to see it they'd sell you a fan motor.

    Or don't use the A/C during low speed.
  • den9112den9112 Member Posts: 3
    Hi,I have a renault clio 1.5dci with climate control and air con . The problem i am having is the heater when set to max is not getting hot , it stayed like this for about 6 hours , then all of a sudden it decided to blow hot , i turned down to min then to max then it stayed cold all the time again , today it went to hot again untill i turned it down to min then it would not go to hot again. Could anyone please help.Thanks
  • kiawahkiawah Member Posts: 3,666
    I don't know anything about renault's, but to start....make sure that your radiator and overflow tank are full w/water-antifreeze. Those symptoms you describe can be caused by not enough coolant to flow thru the heater core, or air blockages in the coolant if it was recently drained.

    If all of that is fine, then I'd verify that the engine was indeed getting up to correct operating temperature (this will indicate whether thermostat is working). Your engine needs to get hot, to be able to give the heat to the heater.

    Assuming that is fine, then move your diagnostics inside to the heater controls.
  • den9112den9112 Member Posts: 3
    Thanks for the reply, Checked coolant ,checked thermostat,pipes to matrix getting hot,engine temp is going to normal . All day yesterday the climate unit was constantly on cold , today the blower decided to blow hot air , and when i droped the temp down it cooled accordingly and rised back to hot . How long it will continue to work is any ones guess but their is a deffinete problem . I never usualy use auto climeate control i usually only have it on max all the time , and the occasional cold as to use the air con once a month, Could it be possible that with the unit being on max all the time something could be sticking because its not being used. Thanks
  • kiawahkiawah Member Posts: 3,666
    Again, I'm not familiar w/Renault's....but are you saying you have auto-climate control ? ....where you set the temperature you want and the heater unit adjusts the blower speed and output to maintain that temperature?

    If so, then the first diagnostic step is to run it in manual mode, where you adjust the blower speed and temperature output. If that works correctly, then your problem is obviously in the automatic control piece, and I would look first at the sensor which monitors the cabin temperature and feeds back to the unit whether it needs heating or cooling.
  • den9112den9112 Member Posts: 3
    Problem solved , it was the mixer motor. The electric driven motorised flap was sticking /damaged due possibly to previous owner not fitting a cabin filter which allowed a lot of dirt down the throat of the tube .New filter and new motor fitted and all is ok now. Thanks people for your help .
  • saturnowner1saturnowner1 Member Posts: 5
    I cant get my a/c compressor to engage on my '94 LS Saturn. I have 45 psi on the low side of the compressor. When I press in the a/c switch on the dash, the switch lights up but the clutch does not engage on the compressor. It appears that there is no current getting to the solenoid, yet both a/c fuses are good and the control relay on the circuit breaker panel is good. any ideas?
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Must be an open circuit then between the pressure switch and the HVAC control module if there is no current to the compressor clutch.

    Also your pressure is too high. Maybe the switch shuts off on too low AND too high pressure, I don't know.

    About 28 to 30 PSI on the low side at 70 degrees F.
  • saturnowner1saturnowner1 Member Posts: 5
    thanks,
    My pressure is in the blue on the low side meter (i'm guessing that was 45). Any idea what my next step is? can I go straight from the solenoid to the a 12v source and see if it turns on? or is this something that needs to go to an a/c expert?
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Can you locate the pressure switch and momentarily by-pass it? That might tell you something right there.
  • saturnowner1saturnowner1 Member Posts: 5
    not sure where the pressure switch is. :)
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Looks like it's on a T-fitting running along the AC hose---the diagram seems to indicate near the fender as it meets the firewall---I think if you follow the AC line up you'll see a T fitting with a switch that looks like a brake light switch, with an electrical connector.
  • saturnowner1saturnowner1 Member Posts: 5
    Brrrrr..Up and running: spent $50 this morning at an a/c shop: I was close with my refill job..but as I was filling it I should have rev'd the engine to about 2000 rpm. Once the mechanic did this and added a little more pressure on the fill, the low pressure switch activated, powered the solenoid, and the system ran. As usual, a simple fix by a professional. Thanks again Mr Shiftright for all your help.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Well okay we were on the right track---another 3 or 4 weeks :P and we would have solved it!!

    Now think of all you've learned.

    Anyway, if you had bypassed the low pressure switch, the compressor would have clicked on, telling you that there was low pressure in the system. Where did you get that 45 psi reading from? Oh, you said that was a guesstimate....
  • saturnowner1saturnowner1 Member Posts: 5
    The recharge kit I bought has a gauge on it, with the blue range ending at 45 psi, and then a yellow band, and then a red band. I stopped pressurizing when the gauge showed 45 psi, which only took a few seconds. When the mechanic did it, he applied a little more than the 45 psi, revved the engine, and then compressor kicked on. The low side psi went way down right away, and started to climb back up. he continued to fill it to about 20 psi, meanwhile the high side came back up into the 100 psi range, and the car cooled off. So now the low side runs at about 20 psi.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Oh okay I understand the sequence now---that makes sense.
  • obyoneobyone Member Posts: 7,841
    One thing to note is that if you were low on R-134a you have a leak. It may be a small leak and require refills every three months but a leak none the less.
  • rockindubyarockindubya Member Posts: 1
    New compressor, dryer and manifold hose on 97 Chevy P/U. Pulled a vaccuum before charging. Old dryer had label that said "Charge w/ 2Lbs. R-134" I only put in 2 12 oz cans that day....Ambient temp was about 68 and pressure was about 30 low and 190 high... worked well until we hit 90 plus degrees (Texas here). My pressures now are 40 and 250.... I added 8 oz and went to 45 and 280!!
    pulled that back off and got down to about 35 and 230. Cool but not COLD. Suction line cool, but not COLD. After 30 minutes highway, it DID cool off better, but on a short trip this AM... same situation. Anyone have any ideas?
  • obyoneobyone Member Posts: 7,841
    Did you evacuate the air in the system before loading the R134?
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    If you are using the gauges that come with the re-fill kit, they are generally not very accurate. DIY service on AC doesn't have a high rate of success.
  • tapradotaprado Member Posts: 1
    The A/C blows out of the defrost vent only even though I select the front vents. why is this happening
  • trachelletrachelle Member Posts: 1
    Ok, hear goes.. I am not vehicle inclined at all. But I can give good discriptions on what is going on. My a/c was working great, then one day when I turned it to high #5 it would be off, then when I turned it to #1 it was high. They were VISSA VERSA Backwards( It has #s' Off & then 1-5) When I would turn it to off it would not turn off. Now around the 2nd or 3rd day, it all just stopped working. The light is lit wear it says air, and It is NOT blowing though. When I turn on differant #'s low to high I do not hear it change over, but when I turn the vents to come out on top, or the front vents, or the floor, I can hear the engine like change over.( Not sure if that is what I call it Sorry but like it wants to work, no loud noises regular noises) But get this, when I try to turn it to heat, the heat is NOT even coming on. This is strange, It was never ever making noices like a motor was going out or anything. I need air.. It is so hot. Thanks anyone who has any ideas..
  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 24,254
    I have a 1997 Chrysler Cirrus. a/c has worked fine all these years and has never had any service.

    This year I notice that it is not blowing as cool as before. It takes 10 miles or 20 minutes before the car feels like it is getting cooler.

    I'm thinking that it needs a recharge since it does cool to some extent. If the compressor was shot it would not cool at all. Also, if I had a major leak in the system all the r-134 would leak out and I would not have any cooling either.

    Any opinions?

    2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible

  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,690
    It may just need topping off with the freon. It's probably R134a easily purchased at Walmart in a can without dye, without extra oil, without the extra chemical to give it more zip at cooling. Just plain R134a. I recommend buying the gauge that's separate and can be switched from can to can.

    My 1998 car got light on cooling a couple summers back. If the heat load wasn't great, it seemed to cool okay; but as the heat load increased during the day, it just felt insufficient.

    I added freon up to the max based on the colors on the gauge--still within the green, e.g. Put a fan in front of the radiator and run the motor at about 1500 and just start adding.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • obyoneobyone Member Posts: 7,841
    The HVAC is a closed system. If you're low on R-134a you have a leak. Might be a really, really small leak but there is a leak. And since you have a leak, you're releasing R-134a into the atmosphere.

    You could buy a couple of cans of R-134a at Checkers along with a refill valve. Just make sure you connect it to the low pressure side. I've seen people do this indefinitely until a catastrophic failure occurs either by corrosion on the evaporator core or disintegration of the compressor causing it to lock up.

    Since this is a 1997 vehicle and it still cools, I'd say you got your value out of the A/C and only you know if it would be worth repairing.

    A local shop could test for the R134a with a sensor that detects leaks and if its microscopic they can always use a can of R134a with dye in it. I'd bet you've got a small leak in the evaporator core since back in the 90s Amercian cars didn't come with those cab filters and the evaporator core gets trashed.
  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 24,254
    Thanks guys. You confirmed what I thought. I'll bet there's a slight leak in the system. I think I'll have the local indie shop do a recharge and see how it goes. If all it takes is a can of coolant each year I'll do that until the leak gets bigger. By that time the car will probably be sitting in the junk yard.

    BTW, I called the coolant r-134. Is that the old Freon coolant? My owners manual says I have the newer non-Freon system. Am I using the wrong terms?

    2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible

  • obyoneobyone Member Posts: 7,841
    The old coolant was the R-12. The R-134a is what they currently use, yours included. I've seen a canister of that R-12 sell for $500. The canister is like a small propane tank. sheesh.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,690
    > R-12 sell for $500.

    I've got a 12 oz can of R12 in the garage. I'm waiting for it to go high enough to fund my kid's college education. ;)

    The R134a was only needed because the patent for DuPont ran out on R12. The idea that it was ruining the environment is not correct. Same with claritin being replaced by clarinex by the drug company; the patent was running out and now you can buy claritin over the counter.

    A little R134a will almost certainly be cheaper than replacing a larger item in the AC system. While the environment folks had us worrying about R12 and feeling guilty, the rest of the world was/is releasing R12. So I'd have the shop check for a noticeable leak (not likely or you'd be empty) and refill occasionally. If it were my GM I'd say it seeps around the compressor seals and 10 years was needed to drop enough to be noticed.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • air_door_fixair_door_fix Member Posts: 5
    I'm not sure why an expiring patent would be seen as the reason for the demise of R12. That only means that Dupont no longer has an exclusive right to produce the product. Usually that brings additional competitors into the market and lowers price and increases availability.

    Whether you choose to believe the "science" or not, the ostensible reason for the demise of R12 was environmental concerns and the increasing power of the EPA. That same mentality has bled over into R134a, whether it is justified or not. Auto AC shops are required to capture all refrigerants and dispose of them properly. The rationale is that this measure protects the ozone layer.

    This also has an impact on loss of refrigerant in a closed system. That loss is seen by the EPA as escaped refrigerant that is attacking the ozone layer and needs to be regulated/controlled. In some states and overzealous shops this is viewed as a violation of EPA regulations and your car can be flagged as a "leaker" and be subject to additional scrutiny from the EPA, including denial of a license plate until the system is repaired($) or the AC disabled and removed.

    You can avoid this by purchasing the refill cans at the local parts store if you have no conscience over being solely responsible for destroying the earth. However, the cans are a hit and miss proposition and it's easy to over or under fill the system. To do it right you really need a refrigerant manifold set and enough knowledge to measure ambient temperature and both high and low side pressures. If you have several cars(and want to be the most popular resident in the neighborhood), this might be a reasonable investment for under $50 plus a little internet research.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,690
    >Whether you choose to believe the "science" or not

    I don't because it's not been proven. To discuss the global warming and ozone hole faux science:

    Are autos responsible for global warming

    >this might be a reasonable investment for under $50 plus a little internet research

    Agree with that. I found Harbor Freight has a good set (all their tools aren't always top notch). A vacuum pump would be a good investment also. But a good bit of knowledge goes along with using this setup; the potential for damage to the system is there. Adding a can of freon R134a is somewhat idiot proof as long as one follows the gauge and cools the condensor as they add freon. If I need a manifold, a barnyard mechanic up the road has a set I can borrow.

    A slow loss over 10 years is one thing; a seep that's losing a can a year needs to be checked out by professionals who know where leaks typically occur in that model of car.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

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