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Why is Jeannette so concerned that it not look like a mini-van? God forbid she were caught in a mini-van, all her friends and fellow soccer moms would make fun of her, and her kids would be ridiculed by the other kids....
Lemmings, americans are such lemmings it cracks me up!
-mike
I'd prefer to see Subaru make the 7 seater usefully roomy and boxy, not stylish and cozy. We'll see.
-juice
-mike
-juice
Look at the proposed GM offerings -- they're ridiculous in the way they stick a truck front on a minivan. People have gotta get over this minivan stigma. I've said it before -- if my minivan got better mileage, I'd love it as a daily driver.
Jon
Jon
-mike
The Pied Piper buys an SUV, and sure enough, next thing you know, these behemoths are in nearly every driveway. The neighbor gets one that's even bigger than yours, so you naturally have to trump that!
What this country needs is a good five-year OPEC embargo.
To get back on topic, though, I've noticed that my 02 Outback wagon has developed a slight crunching/thunking sound from the front passenger wheel area when taking a sharp turn. Any thoughts on the cause. I've now got almost 38k miles. Thanks.
Jon
-mike
Followup to post above. I'm driving on the freeway at ~60-70MPH and my foot is off the gas. I go to change lanes and give a little gas and...NOTHING. The car revs to 4500RPM but it's in Neutral. I remain calm and verify that I'm still in Drive...according to controls. I shift to Neutral, back to Drive and now I'm engaged with the transmission again.
One mile later, it happens again. Only this time shifting to Neutral and back to Drive does not engage the engine. I'm just coasting on the Freeway, my RPM's increase but the transmission is not engaged. I shift back and forth three times and finally my car responds to gas.
It's back in the dealership....and I'm very concerned and frustrated. I don't feel safe in that car at highway speeds. I've had nothing but problems in my 23 days of ownership.
I've already opened a case with Subaru, but with holidays I feel left out to dry. Suggestions?
Thanks in advance,
Stuart
Thanks.
Patti
-mike
-Frank P.
I've been working with John and Rick in Service. They at least return my phone calls, but then again they deal with public and have no choice. ;-) John is always overwhelmed with customers. He has no chance to offer any real service to anyone, but he tries. When I was leaving the dealer today I heard one of the "valets" tell one of the service guys that this other customer's car wasn't ready....they had a quiet discussion, then the car was bought to the service bay and the owner jumped in.....He had a very HARD time starting it. I was getting in the shuttle for home so I didn't see the outcome.
I think with my well documented issues with Rancho Subaru and the things I've seen while I've been there I have every reason to be very concerned about them servicing my car. John and Rick in Service are great guys, but they are overwhelmed.
I'm just disgusted. I've filed a complaint with Subaru that was supposed to get the General Manager of the dealership involved and he won't return my calls. My car continues to have problems and now it's there over the holidays (best case scenario). Now I'm on my second case with Subaru of America and very concerned about the Rancho Staff's ability to do a thorough job guaranteeing the safety of my car.
I *love* the XT. It's fun to drive and has so much going for it but at this point, I want a "do over". With 23 days and 1200 miles on the car I have lost faith in it, the dealership and am fading out on Subaru (Patti is the exception) If I had a time machine, I feel I'd find myself back in the Honda Pilot I test drove prior to the Forester....can you blame me?
-mike
FYI, we bought a Plymouth Voyager back in the early 80's, one of the first on the road. Hated everything about it. Our Explorer, being a 96, was also bought before SUV's appeared in every driveway. So I guess that would make me the lead lemming, if you must get insulting, and gee, since we bought the OB they seem to be in every driveway around here too.
The OB is only marginally better gas milage wise than the Explorer by the way -
Having a bad experience with one very early minivan is hardly a rational basis for ruling out any vehicle that bears even a passing resemblance to one.
I see now that opinions on vehicle looks and personal preferences are purely a man's domain, how silly of me.
I don't believe anyone said that. Sarcastic exaggeration does little to improve the dialogue.
These should in no way be taken as "sexist" statements, because I would say and have said the exact same things to men who made statements as superficial as yours.
-Brian
Luke
Yes, I need to haul kids and a lot of gear, they both compete at National levels in their chosen sports. But, I also need to haul building materials (and I haven't run into a mini van yet that can practically handle 4x8 sheets of anything, or at least more than one), computer systems and peripherals to set up educational conferences, and traps and cages for the animal rescue work that I do, preferably without burying the vehicle up to the axle as we did the Voyager. So please, don't immediately assume that anyone is trying to one up the neighbors. The slope of the hatch in the OB makes it a bit less utilitarian than the Explorer, but great as our second vehicle, taking away the boxiness of SUV styling in the 7 passenger would likely eliminate our interest in it also. After reading about others experiences with Subarus, and reading many reviews and reliability ratings I believe Subaru makes a great product, and that is why I personally hope that the 7 passenger is more SUV than mini-van.
Happy Holidays to all - we're hoping Santa will bring us an OB with a new clutch at no charge -
J
Most SUVs now are far more curvy than Mini-vans.
-mike
If I didn't offroad my trooper, I'd own an AWD Safari Van instead.
-mike
Bob
I have one extra ticket for the DC Auto Show for the first taker. I plan to head over there on Friday, 12/26 around 10:30 AM. Since I'm flying out for the holidays later that evening, you have a small window to acquire said ticket. Email me at scott.douglas@hhs.gov today to reserve it.
--dcdouglas
The mid-sized Explorer comes as a 7-passenger model, as does the new 4-Runner, Lexus GX470 and Honda Pilot (which seats 8). The all-new Nissan Pathfinder will also offer 7-passenger seating, from what I've read. It will be introduced in a couple of weeks at Detroit.
Bob
-juice
-Dave
p/s I wasn't all that comfortable sitting back there in a mini-van either.
Steve
Yes, new Explorer is nice looking, I loved the look of the old Durango until they made it bigger too. Was hoping that Subarus offering would be similar - I am nervous about the issue of kids sitting way in back also, but there are times when both kids would like to bring a friend along when we go somewhere. Most times the rear seat would be folded down for cargo utility. I know we've been really lucky with our Explorer, thought that a Subaru would be a better bet next time around if it met our needs -even with the string of bad luck we've had lately with the OB.
Jeannette
The more people continue to exhibit that myopia, the longer this mine-is-bigger-than-yours SUV craze will go on before it finally, mercifully runs its course.
Can we move on already?
My point is that immediately assming that someone is a bubble head who has no valid reason for preferring a certain type of vehicle other than show or to follow the crowd is equally sweeping and narrow. If a mini van had the height of an SUV so that I could see at night without being blinded by oncoming headlights, the cagro hauling ability that I have, the ability to get into and out of some pretty mucky and/or snowy situations safely, etc. - I'd buy one. But if it was all that, it would be an SUV, not a mini-van. 7 passenger seating for versatility without being huge would be nice, and a Subaru that fit my needs would be even nicer, just as I'm sure that those of you who drive mini-vans would love to see Subaru come out with one of those -
Jeannette
Sienna AWD is a pretty complete package, IMO. I hope Subaru combines the efficiencies of that package with better performance.
-juice
-Frank P.
Regarding Fords, I've owned many from the 1950s thru a 1986 Taurus. I only had one that ever gave a problem, a 1962 Mercury with a bad engine block casting. The rest either went 200,000 miles or rusted out after 10 to 15 years.
Dodge - I even had a couple of Dodge Daytonas that gave me many years of good service, bad oil seals, but I fixed that myself.
GM - I got 250,000 out of a '58 Chevy wagon, and a 1971 Pontiac Wagon but I had a very poor experience with a GM Pontiac Phoenix (X-Car). I have 180,000 miles on a Buick LeSabre and 135,000 miles on a K5 Silverado Blazer with no problems except for the 5.7 liter Blazer sucking up fuel as fast as I can pump it! <gg>
Imports - I had a Toyota Camry that was nothing but problems and the engine dropped a crankshaft at 70,000 miles and would have cost more than the value of the car to replace. Had a Nissan Sentra that went through 2 engines and a tranny, Mazda 626s that sucked up money for tranny and engine repairs. My Subaru Forester is not far behind with a $3500 burned valve repair, not to mention a bad "U" joint and cv joints. I hope this is the end of it!
I did have a Honda Civic, two Mitsubishi Cordias and a Tredia that never gave me any problems.
If I looked at Consumer Reports, so far, I have had the best luck with the "poorly" rated cars and the worst luck with the highly rated cars except the Honda (good) and the Phoenix (bad). Go figure!
Bob Davis
-juice
I admit that I bought my Forester because it looked like an SUV, but also because it had a reputation for reliability and winter handling that I wanted, it had room for the dog and large hubby, and it wasn't a truck-based behemoth. Also, I was living in Seattle at the time, and in Seattle it was kind of distinctive looking. Once I move back to Anchorage -- where 50% of the population seems to drive Subaru -- and 25% drives green Foresters -- I DO feel like a lemming. I've tried my keys in strange cars twice.
But I can relate with not wanting to drive a van. Just because you have a family doesn't mean you don't want to look cool. And SUVs are much higher on the cool list than SUVs. But I agree that we need to live through 1973 gas lines again; vehicles are getting too big.
Cheryl
If a mini van had the height of an SUV so that I could see at night without being blinded by oncoming headlights, etc. etc.
Would that be the same height that puts your headlights a foot or two higher than other vehicles? But heck, that's OK, it's only their eyes being blinded by your lamps, not yours by theirs. And your bumpers are also a foot higher, so in a collision anyone else is toast. But you're OK, which is all that matters.
Not to mention that when you encounter other socially irresponsible SUV drivers while in yours, you've lost any height advantage, so now you have to go buy an even bigger SUV to regain your carefree queen-of-the-mountain edge. Then they do the same, and the whole thing continues spiralling completely out of control.
What this country needs is a good 5-year OPEC embargo. Then watch all the gotta-look-cool-no-matter-what SUV buyers go scurrying back to sane vehicles.
Followup on my ongoing saga....
Got a call from Linda from SoA. The dealer thought that it was just low transmission fluid but they could not find a leak. WHY was I delivered a car with LOW transmission fluid? This dealer should be suspended. I have written 10 posts covering different facets of their horrendous dealer prep.
The mechanic took it out for a test drive and it shifted to Neutral again at highway speed. Now they think it may be a computer issue. So, we've thought it was a valve, solenoid, fluid and now computer. Let's get out a dartboard and a monkey and see if he can find the problem.
The dealer's master tech is talking to a Japanese engieneer who designed the system. At this point I'm done. I don't want to be Subaru's test case. I didn't pay $27k of my money to field test their equipment. If they don't want me to take it to a lawyer they will replace the car. It's not a safe car, and I won't be lulled into taking it back off their lot.
I've had it for 23 days and put 1200 miles on it. At the end of 28 days it will have spent 9 days at the dealer. I have no faith it wouldn't return or that they can guarantee it's safe. I don't care what they find, it's defective off the lot and I don't want it back.
I don't care if they put an entirely new Subie tranny in it, it's not off the factory floor. Tightening that many bolts in a mechanic's stall won't meet the same spec as rolling it off the assembly line. I paid my hard earned money for a new car, and I expect a new car. Not a car with a dropped in Tranny 23 days after ownership.
I'm just done and fed up. It's ruined my Christmas Eve. I had a long road trip planned for the mountains next weekend, now that will probably be cancelled. Thanks Subaru.
EDIT....Here's some comic relief: I just got a call from the dealer's shuttle because he's at my house because he thought he was picking me up. First I've heard of that. They can't transfer a call, properly dealer prep a car, or coordinate a shuttle, and they're supposed to fix my car?
Owned my XT AT about the same time frame.What a bummer for you at Xmas time.. Hoping all comes out for the better for you--Keep us advised Ok ?
Deadeye
Ken