2015 Honda CR-V Prices Paid and Buying Experiences

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  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Turning on the headlights should be an easy test for owners with this issue.

    Who's going to report first?
  • hubcapshubcaps Member Posts: 23
    We r trying it now in 2015 crv Touring. First we time we noticed a better difference right away. We just tried it another 3-4xs..not much of a difference.  We have heat and radio on the whole time. 
  • hubcapshubcaps Member Posts: 23
    FYI my dealership told us they took back 2 new 2015 CRVs and the people got other cars. 
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Congrats!
  • pandaxoxpandaxox Member Posts: 24
    Gosankar,

    Just curious at what RPM does your CRV stay at when it's all warmed up in D with all off?

    I test drove 2 CRV at 2 different dealerships yesterday. One vibrated, the other one didn't. Go figure. I don't know if they are sent "in batches", or what. In my quest for a CRV, I tested a few CRVs from different dealerships. It was hit or miss.

    All I can tell you is that the EX models CRVs are selling like hotcakes. There are people waiting for new ones to come in. I couldn't believe my eyes.

    The vibration is ONLY on when the car is totally warmed up, STOPPED in D, and everything else shut off. As soon as you turn the lights, heat or whatever on, it's normal, and does NOT vibrate. The RPM must be at minimally 750 in order for it not to vibrate. In my little experiment, some CRVs rpm goes below 600 (vibrate in D with all OFF), others seem to stay above 750 (don't vibrate in D with all OFF). It's almost as though they are calibrated differently.

    *Remember it must be warmed up completely, STOPPED, everything OFF, and in DRIVE, not PARK!...watch the RPM needle. See if it dips below 600 RPM...this is when it starts vibrating. If it stays above 750 RPM,-no vibration-well, in my tests these didn't.
  • jimbo65jimbo65 Member Posts: 65
    hmmm, I thought this thread was about prices paid and buying experience.
    2015 CR-V EX-L 2WD = One Sweet Ride :p
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    edited March 2015
    Well, I suppose you could say that part of the buying experience is whether the car has "issues" on the test drive.

    The Vibration issue with 2015 Honda CR-V discussion is probably the most active vibration discussion right now and likely a better place to follow the issue (the newest question is whether it's a more common issue with AWD CR-Vs).

  • jbl140jbl140 Member Posts: 18
    edited March 2015
    I am looking for a CR-V EX-L AWD with Navigation in NorCal. I've sent emails directly, through Honda website and Costco to several dealers. Only two have responded with price quotes ($30,175/$30,788 both w/o TTL). This is nowhere close to invoice and looking at the posts on this forum, seem really high. Is the demand really high for this trim?

    I wanted to buy last week but was extremely busy at work. Should I wait until end of March now? The other dealers want me to visit in person or call before they reveal any pricing. The closest one is the dealer I contacted through Costco and he needs to see my membership card to give me price sheet, so I might just visit him.

    What's a good price I can ask if I wanted to call a few dealers around me? Invoice or less than invoice? Also, I would like a trailer hitch, rear backup sensors, and floor mats, should I ask for a price inclusive of these options?

    I will get financing from my credit union although I would take the 0.9% Honda fin, if available.

    Thanks for your help!
  • brian125brian125 Member Posts: 5,244
    edited March 2015
    jbl140

    Sit tight and do nothing till after the new Honda incentives come out for the month of March. Usually by the 7th. Then start negotiating the last week of March. End of the 1st quarter will help you this month. If you don't want to wait till months end .....target price ( invoice to 500 below dealers invoice) on your model.

    Wait till end of the month then :

    Target 10 to 15 dealerships. Email / call the internet dept/ managers directly. Buying this way end of the month will net you the best price results.

    If you start your calls before the 28th you will take away a lot of your buying leverage. This is the month to make a good deal.

    Good luck

    23 Telluride SX-P X-Line, 23 Camry XSE

  • want2buyhwant2buyh Member Posts: 14

    Wow, invoice is about 27,302...so you got a 2015 EX-L FWD for $2300 under invoice...great!!
    gosankar said:

    First of all BIG THANK YOU to "Stever", "Brian125" and fellow CRV Owners and the WEATHER.

    I just picked-up my new 2015 CRV...... here are the details

    State: North Carolina (Greensboro)
    Model: 2015 CRV EX-L FWD (with Wheel Locks, Nitogen filled tyres)
    Vehicle Price: $25,000
    Tax: $766.17
    Tag: $68.00
    Doc Fees: $539.00
    OTD: $26,373.17

  • crv_2015crv_2015 Member Posts: 26
    For those interested -- my CRV Touring arrived at the dealership yesterday!! I am going for a lengthy test drive this Saturday morning before signing the paperwork, after reading through the vibration issues cited here and elsewhere. Once I test drive, and if all is okay, they will add in my options (remote start, splash guards, and wheel locks) and I should be able to pick up it by next weekend. So, from order time on 1/2/15, to build and final delivery, it took just about 8 weeks.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Great - sounds like you have a very cooperative dealer too. Let us know how it goes this weekend!
  • crv_2015crv_2015 Member Posts: 26
    @Stever - this is the 7th car we've bought from them (including me, my husband, in-laws, parents, siblings, etc) and they pride themselves on 100% customer satisfaction and repeat business. They're also the cheapest around locally. When I explained why I wanted to test drive, the sales guy said, "let's make sure we get you into a car that you're 100% happy with." Fingers crossed!!

    Anyone in MA/RI/NH looking for a good dealer to work with, I highly recommend Weymouth Honda.
  • raj2015raj2015 Member Posts: 3
    I am planning to buy Touring AWD model and live in NJ. I got the following best quote so far. Can anyone advice on this whether its good or we can negotiate more

    INTERNET SELLING PRICE: $30,969
    ESTINATION and HANDLING: $880
    EALER INSTALLED OPTIONS: $482 (protection package)
    STATE SALES TAX: $2324.77
    NJ TIRE TAX: $7.50
    DOCUMENTATION FEE: $369
    REGISTRATION: $301 for 4 year MV registration with lien


    OTD = $35333.27

  • realdeallrealdeall Member Posts: 22
    crv2015- whats your price? i am interested in the touring as well.

    raj- i cant seem to get them under 35 myself..
  • crv_2015crv_2015 Member Posts: 26
    @realdeall‌ --

    Honda CRV AWD Touring, at Weymouth Honda in Massachusetts, quoted:
    Price: $30,934 (includes destination fee)
    Options: $825.80 (remote starter, wheel locks, splash guards)
    Sales Tax: $1986.68
    Registration: $150
    Documentation: $220

    Total, Out the Door, Pricing: $34,143.48
  • realdeallrealdeall Member Posts: 22
    incredible... is that including any incentives or rebates?

    also are they opening up .9 financing to the crv.. seems theyve done it for everything else?
  • crv_2015crv_2015 Member Posts: 26
    @realdeall‌ - I'm not aware of any incentives/rebates. Their new promotional plans were announced on 3/3, and the CRV was one of the only ones not included in their promotions. AHFC (American Honda Finance) came back with a 2.1% rate over 60 months (with my credit score), and that's about the same as local banks.

    Sales tax in MA is 6.25%. The registration/documentation fee was non-negotiable. Not sure if you could persuade the dealer to include the destination fee? (Some seem to include this, and some don't). I couldn't do any better than the pricing above, and I tried about 10 dealers across MA/RI/NH. I physically went to 3 dealers that agreed to the above pricing but 1 tried to bait & switch to the EX-L, and the other gave me $1,500 less for my trade.

    Good Luck!!
  • vcrv2015sgvcrv2015sg Member Posts: 1
    Hi All,

    I got a final offer for 2015 Honda CRV EX-L Black for $28400 out the door in MD, is this the best deal or is it worth to shop around.
  • crv_2015crv_2015 Member Posts: 26
    I bought the Touring today!  We thoroughly tested it - putting 24 miles on it - it vibrates but you wouldn't know unless you are really looking for it.  It was only noticeable by staring at the passenger headrest/ upper seat with no one in it.  The RPM was set somewhere around 650-800 (hard to tell exactly).  

    I'll pick it up next weekend!!
  • hubcapshubcaps Member Posts: 23
    Congrats!!!
  • nvedianvedia Member Posts: 16
    Hi
    In NJ, from one dealer, I got a quote of $28K OTD (TTL included and no destination fee) for 2015 Honda CRV EX-L
    So, basically in $28K , I can walk out with 2015 Honda CRV EX-L
    When asked how many miles it has? He said 7 miles
    Manufactured in Mexico
    Is there anything else I need to ask because the price is really good? VIN number? Any defect in the vehicle?
    Although I wanted white color, but this one is Silver and I am ok with it
    The dealer is a big and reputed one. I went to 3 other dealers and none is ready to honor this price.
    Can someone please tell me how to make sure that I am not being scammed or taken for ride and its a genuine offer
    Dealer was ready to make the deal today but I wanted to wait till Monday/Tuesday
    Also, about the vibration issue, he said I can drive it and see myself and only buy once its confirmed that there is no vibration issue
  • realdeallrealdeall Member Posts: 22
    you know crv2015.. i almost think i might provide your numbers to multiple dealers and ask if they can beat it : )

    speaking of contacting multiple dealers via e-mail.. anyone have a speil or template they send out.. I think i am going to send out the realistic numbers i'd like and tell them i am e-mailing to multiple dealers..

    is it too risky to put them in on e-mail or do it individually?

    any tips on e-mailing to seal a deal? i will be in milwaukee last week of march.. when should i begin my contact, and when should i go in? first time new car buyer..

    thanks guys!
  • crv_2015crv_2015 Member Posts: 26
    @realdeall‌ - you should research what people are paying in your area. You have nothing to lose, but know the markets can be different. Put it all out there and see if someone will make a deal. The Massachusetts' inventory is really slim right now (mine was the only one our dealer got and they can't even secure one for the next build date). I also did all my negotiating at year-end 2014, when they were pushing cars to make quota. I had to sign the purchase paperwork in order for them to order mine.

    I filled out their e-forms/Internet inquiry forms and then used my dealer's lowest price to as the others to meet or beat. I knew the Tourings were scarce and I wouldn't be in it for a month or so... I was willing to wait.

    Good luck!!
  • gosankargosankar Member Posts: 2
    Pandaxox,

    I did as you said, the RPM is staying at 600 or 550 (Slightly above the half-way line between 1 and 0) and if I really concentrate then I feel little vibration but not as much as it did on youtube video (or on abc news video). The vibration I'm getting is negligible and even you don't notice if you haven't heard about this issue.

    So far, I'm happy......smooth and quiet ride and I'm enjoying it. Thanks
  • realdeallrealdeall Member Posts: 22
    so i just threw out my blanket bomb e-mails to all 17 dealers haha...

    see below:
    Hello,
    I just received my official military orders and I will be coming back 25th of March. I am a DOD civilian employee and I would love to buy my CRV from you. I wanted to touch base again as I know the March incentives, end of quarter, rebates, and other factors could certainly allow you to provide a better price this time.

    I would like a quote on 2015 BLACK INTERIOR/BLACK EXTERIOR HONDA CRV TOURING AWD WITH NAV and the following options included in price:
    BACK UP SENSORS
    REMOTE START

    This is realistically where I know I could stay around,:
    Price: $30,934 (includes destination fee)
    Options including install: $825.80 (remote starter, back up sensors)
    Sales Tax: $1986.68
    Registration: $150
    Documentation: $220

    Total, Out the Door, Pricing: $34,143.48

    I would really appreciate a PDF quote that includes literally every charge. So tax, installation costs, destination cost, title, license, and any other charges or fees so that I can really compare apples to apples.I will have to compare to see what the several other dealerships in the area can do, and want the best price. Any incentive or gift cards, rebates, etc. should not be factored into the final quote but can certainly be mentioned in the e-mail. The car being 7+ months old, and the 2016 being closer to release there will need to be considerable depreciation, and would hope you can figure that in.

    Please let me know if you have one on lot, or if it needs to be ordered as that will impact my decision.

    As I said before, If I receive this final quote, price is right, and everything is good to go, I can guarantee I will advance to the next step. I will walk in and sign and we can talk about financing or even talk about it through e-mail.

    Thank you so much for all of your work in advance.

    It has been an absolute pleasure working with you and hope I can do business with you.

    Let me know what you can do!

    See you in two weeks

    what do you guys think?

    also.. BIG QUESTION:

    I plan to buy after market accessories ( like 10) and have them installed... is it fopa to have an actual honda dealer do the installation? like is that a slap in the face? dont really know the etiquitte on that..

    you guys are the best!
  • crv_2015crv_2015 Member Posts: 26
    Good luck!  A few thoughts - looks great!  Not sure if your #s will line up, as the back-up sensors are much pricier than wheel locks & splash guards, plus install.  (My options were the non-Honda factory remote start, wheel locks & splash guards).  And, if your state taxes, registration, and/or doc fees are the same as MA?  

    When I sent my notes out, all the others wanted to see the quotes of others with the lower costs.  I had my initial quote to work with.  Some may want to see your quote. 

    Check out cargurus.com to see the inventory available in your area.  You'll know if the dealers are being truthful about having your preferred color & models in stock.  

    You have nothing to lose in trying!!
  • crv_2015crv_2015 Member Posts: 26
    @realdeall‌ - I just threw in the Milwaukee zip code (53202) and there is only 1 Touring in black within a 100 mile radius -- at McGrath City Honda in Chicago. These dealers know how limited the specific trims & colors are, so the ball is more in their court with your color/trim choice, in pricing.

    It looks like there are a total of 13 Tourings -- 5 white, 2 gray, 2 red, 1 orange, 1 black, and 2 unknown available within 100 miles of Milwaukee.
  • litobirdylitobirdy Member Posts: 29
    edited March 2015
    nvedia said:

    Hi
    In NJ, from one dealer, I got a quote of $28K OTD (TTL included and no destination fee) for 2015 Honda CRV EX-L
    So, basically in $28K , I can walk out with 2015 Honda CRV EX-L

    Please tell me that that OTD price ex-l is on a FWD and not AWD...
    i just left NJ dealer and signed for EX Awd for 28k OTD and they'll cut me a check on final payment of my Kia Lease.
    if urs is on AWD then wow, just wow, what magic did you work?
  • rvreddyrvreddy Member Posts: 6
    2015 Honda CRV AWD EX-L for 29500 OTD at Richardson,TX. Lute Riley Honda, Selling price with accessories : $27500. They displayed accessories are worth of $1400(Pint boarder, WHEEL LOCKS,SPLASH GUARD SET,DOOR EDGE GUARDS,CARGO TRAY and TINT.). The accessories were already installed. Taxes & documentation, Title and other $2016. . I know accessories price can be reduced But I took it because other dealers are pricing too high for the vehicle. Color : Black , Interior : Black.
  • litobirdylitobirdy Member Posts: 29
    man, you guys are good getting accessories thrown in there. My EX will be as plain as plain can be. I would like Door Edge guards though. The rest of the stuff, if need be, I guess I'd Ebay it or something
  • nvedianvedia Member Posts: 16
    litobirdy said:

    nvedia said:

    Hi
    In NJ, from one dealer, I got a quote of $28K OTD (TTL included and no destination fee) for 2015 Honda CRV EX-L
    So, basically in $28K , I can walk out with 2015 Honda CRV EX-L

    Please tell me that that OTD price ex-l is on a FWD and not AWD...
    i just left NJ dealer and signed for EX Awd for 28k OTD and they'll cut me a check on final payment of my Kia Lease.
    if urs is on AWD then wow, just wow, what magic did you work?
    It is on AWD
    I guess I have decided not to go with Honda CRV most probably because of vibration issues and people going with lemon law against 2015 crv
    If you are in NJ, please message me and I can hook you up with the dealer
    Car is Silver in color
  • litobirdylitobirdy Member Posts: 29
    nvedia said:

    litobirdy said:

    nvedia said:

    Hi
    In NJ, from one dealer, I got a quote of $28K OTD (TTL included and no destination fee) for 2015 Honda CRV EX-L
    So, basically in $28K , I can walk out with 2015 Honda CRV EX-L

    Please tell me that that OTD price ex-l is on a FWD and not AWD...
    i just left NJ dealer and signed for EX Awd for 28k OTD and they'll cut me a check on final payment of my Kia Lease.
    if urs is on AWD then wow, just wow, what magic did you work?
    It is on AWD
    I guess I have decided not to go with Honda CRV most probably because of vibration issues and people going with lemon law against 2015 crv
    If you are in NJ, please message me and I can hook you up with the dealer
    Car is Silver in color
    sent you messages and included my email for faster communication.
  • brian125brian125 Member Posts: 5,244
    @bondc,

    Either choice RDX or CRV is very good. Save a few dollars or status quo

    A wise man once told me... Its not the car brand you drive that makes you special but the people in that car that make you and life special

    From Brian125 handbook..

    23 Telluride SX-P X-Line, 23 Camry XSE

  • hp81hp81 Member Posts: 5
    So I'm going through a credit union in SoCal for financing and they have a car buying service, that supposedly gets the best price. I met with them and she could only get the ex-l fwd without navigation for $28065 before TTL. This seems high to me. It's extremely frustating seeing the prices that everyone else got for their crv for. Is March a bad time to buy the crv? The truecar estimate seems pretty high to me as well. I decided to get an internet quote through the dealer she said she got the best price from and it's the same as what she told me. Has anyone experienced buying a car through a credit unions car buying service? It doesn't seem like she's negotiating for me. I told her that it seemed high because online people were posting that they got their ex-l for a little over $26k. She said dealers sometimes post on here pretending to be buyers so that they can try to get customers in their door. Also she said that dealerships won't honor their quote unless you finance through them. Is that true? I'm so frustrated and I need a car asap.
  • realdeallrealdeall Member Posts: 22
    Guys!
    I just settled on my price for my BLK/BLK CRV TOURING AWD W/NAV AND REMOTE START AND BACK UP SENSORS for an OTD of 35,000 flat.

    What do you think... good deal?
  • krish7krish7 Member Posts: 4
    Hi All,
    Need your help we as a group of friends decided to buy CRV Ex model We are four people.

    Need your expert advice bestway to approach this do that we will get best price.

    Thanks for your help.
  • jimbo65jimbo65 Member Posts: 65
    Check with TrueCar.com and Consumer Reports online for their invoice prices. At least get a match to the invoice price. Good Luck!
    2015 CR-V EX-L 2WD = One Sweet Ride :p
  • g_friebergg_frieberg Member Posts: 28
    I am cutting and pasting this post fromt he CRV "vibration" thread, with a few additional comments:
    OK ! I am a new 2015 CRV owner, after changing my mind on purchase of a RAV4 here at a Toyota-Honda dealer in Ohio. I ended up getting a White EX with the beige cloth interior (I am not fond of leather seats). After having driven it about 17-18 miles on a final assessment, I finally declined the Toyota RAV 4 XLE, and the RAV4 Limited, to settle on this Honda. After a very long drive in both Toyotas (both great cars), what sold me on the Honda:
    1) Updated technology features (love the blind spot camera on the passenger side), 2) better fuel economy of the Honda, and 3) like the dashboard layout much better than the Toyo. I did like the Toyo 6 speed tranny, but it did shift a huge amount, especially in economy mode, even going up very slight grades at freeway speeds. I finally decided that putting up with some vibration at idle was a worthwhile trade-off to gain 3-4 MGP, and to get a nicer ride. The Toyo Limited RAV4 had a virtually punishing ride, and thumped and shuddered constantly (probably due to 18 inch wheels and low aspect ratio tires). I am 62 years old, and decided I did not want to go back to stiff "sport" suspensions. I will keep everybody posted on my experiences with the CRV. There are only 89 miles on this car, so cannot speak to specifics right not. The display in the dash, and the menu option capability (along with personally programming various parameters) simply blows Toyota away. If technology is important to you, there is no contest between Honda and Toyota regarding RAV4 vs. CRV.
    I would love to have test driven a Subaru, but no dealer around here. I am DONE with having to hassle with dealerships in remote locations. Nothing but hassles. GLTA CRV owners. I am now one of them...for good OR bad. BTW...I also bought a 36 month top-to-bottom extended warranty (cost was $ 1145). I decided to do so given that 1) I tend to keep cars 10 years or longer, and 2) this CRV has a new Atkinson engine, and a new CVT tranny. I suspect Honda has done its engineering homework, but want to protect myself anyway.
    The extended warranty (now totally 72 months) gives me 3 additional years, plus 100K mileage. Since I only drive about 8K miles per year, it was the TIME guarantee that was important to me, not the miles driven.
    I have spent many hundreds of miles driving an early model (i.e. 2004) Nissan Murano with CVT. Compared to the Murano tranny, the new CRV tranny is a real delight. I think, as I have previously stated, the vibration complaints about this car are more about the engine (and computer-controlled idle speeds), than about the tranny proper. Just MHO. As an owner of a 2000 Ford Ranger, and 2004 Murano, I can testify that either the RAV4 Toyo or Honda CRV are light years ahead of the Murano in NVH (noise-vibration-harshness) terms.
    I think when new owners of the CRV simply live with it for a while, the angst about these "vibration gremlins" will dissipate a bit.
    GOOD LUCK to all Honda AND RAV4 owners ! BOTH are competent autos. Different strokes for different folks.
    Gerald Frieberg, here in Appalachian Ohio
  • g_friebergg_frieberg Member Posts: 28
    My total cost, BTW, was 28235 dollars for my CRV EX, which included the addition of body side mouldings, stone guards, and all weather floor-rear hatch mats. This price did NOT include the 1145 for the additional 36 month extended warranty (whether worth it or not, of course, remains to be seen....I hope I never have to use it. Just an insurance policy on catastrophic failure of engine or tranny, of a new design).
    Thanks for listening to me.
    G. Frieberg, Appalachian Ohio
  • g_friebergg_frieberg Member Posts: 28
    ONE MORE NOTE ! The above price (i.e. 28235) includes Ohio taxes) and dealer documentaion fees) where I live, of 7.25%. Dealer doc fees: 205 dollars.
  • g_friebergg_frieberg Member Posts: 28
    OOPS...Yes this price DID indeed include the 1145 extended warranty. MY MISTAKE !!!!
    I financed through Honda Credit @ 2.74% simple interest. My credit score: 816, JFYI.
  • hubcapshubcaps Member Posts: 23
    Congrats g frieberg on you new CRV!!

    We got the touring. We feel the same way as of now about the vibration. ...we still like everything about the car.  The technology is great. Like driving a computer
  • g_friebergg_frieberg Member Posts: 28
    Thanks, hubcaps ! Appreciated. I'll post more about my CRV as I get some miles accumulated.
  • realdeallrealdeall Member Posts: 22
    so my crv touring wont be in until mid april..
    has anyone ever go the route of asking bout a complimentary "loaner" car from the lot instead of paying for a rental? please let me know!

    also, has anyone bought any after market products such as accessories and had them installed? is considered a slap in the face to the dealer as you didnt buy them initially? i have noticed they are signifigantly cheaper at websites like college hills honda and definitely want them.. but wanted to hear everyone's opinion first.

    thanks!
  • g_friebergg_frieberg Member Posts: 28
    Drove about 150 miles today (i.e. mixed driving in and around Columbus, Ohio). New 2015 was delightful to drive. Loved the right side mirror camera, and the safety margin that it empowers the driver. On the highway, the car was not a Lexus, for sure, but much quieter than the Toyota RAV4 Limited that I also test drove recently. I am not real keen on the stock tires (my CRV was delivered with Bridgestones), so I will plan to put on Michelins when these tires get worn down. I experimented at stop lights, to reduce the vibes a bit, at putting the tranny into neutral. The vibes virtually disappeared. I still think the issue is NOT with the tranny, but with the new engine. (i.e. when in drive @ idle, with foot on the brake, the tranny simply transfers the vibration from the engine into the mass of the total car. When in neutral, this engine vibe is decoupled...just my OPINION).
  • litobirdylitobirdy Member Posts: 29
    I just got my crv ex awd in nj. Would have been 27641 out the door but i got the 7 year top to bottom warranty for about 1500 more. I think I'm ok with the warranty decision since I'm doing 72 months finance anyway.
  • crv_2015crv_2015 Member Posts: 26
    Here's the final breakdown:

    Touring AWD: $30,934.05
    Total Accessories: $1165.40 (splash guards, Honda remote start, extra key fob for remote start, wheel locks, and body side molding)
    Honda Care 8yr/100k miles warranty: $1435.00
    MA 6.25% Sales Tax: $1646.15
    Doc Fees & License/Reg: $339

    Total OTD: $35,519.60

    We ended up adding body side moldings ($282+ tax), ordering a second remote start key fob for the Honda remote start system ($96 +tax), and the Honda Care 8yr/100k mile warranty ($1435.00) during the last week.

    Well worth the 8 week wait!!!
  • crv_2015crv_2015 Member Posts: 26
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