Acura TSX

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  • tradscotttradscott Member Posts: 108
    TSX is an entry level luxury car, but the capabilities of entry level keep going up. I think the next TSX needs to have 230+ hp and at least 210 ft-lb of torque to be competetive. The turbo would make it very competetive; that would seem to be good for Acura.

    I wouldn't expect the TSX to be optioned out with a range different engine choices and drive wheel configurations, let alone body styles (ala wagon.) Acura just doesn't sell that many cars or have extensive dealer coverage. And the current simplicity in the model configurations is actually a nice thing for buying convenience--especially in the used market.

    Maybe they will have two configurations if they think it can increase sales -- one with FWD and the K24 and a type S with SH-AWD and the turbo. The TSX MUST have both more power, SH-AWD, and a MANUAL transmission for me to update mine within the next couple of years and to keep me from looking at the 3 series.
  • biker4biker4 Member Posts: 746
    The following is purportedly from a Honda to its dealers:

    "2007 TSX
    BUILDOUT - This is the final allocation for MY07 TSX. The MY08 TSX will be available on the next allocation (May MOVE allocation).

    The following color will no longer be available for the 2007 model year TSX: Deep Green Pearl (GG/PA). This color is currently scheduled to be offered again for 2008 model year TSX in August 2007, and the remainder of the 2008 model year


    Basically, if you believe this, MY07 will end in July, MY08 will start in August and run through next March (two 8 mo MYs) when the EuroAccord and TSX will debut - just like they did 5 years hence.
  • patpat Member Posts: 10,421
    Purported by whom? Just curious.
  • biker4biker4 Member Posts: 746
    Someone at TOV got a copy of the letter from Honda to its dealers.
  • beeper27beeper27 Member Posts: 2
    Does anyone happen to know what the specs of the new TSX are? or what it will look like? I'm hearing stuff like the RDX engine being put in there and possible SH-AWD...I want a tsx, but if this is the case, then I might hold out a year or so.
  • biker4biker4 Member Posts: 746
    Google Sport4 concept to get an idea on looks and the RDX drivetrain will probably be under the hood. It doesn't sound like any more detail will be released until the fall Frankfurt car show.
  • autoboy16autoboy16 Member Posts: 992
    Still, what a great looking concept! I hope That they make a 2 piece sunroof instead of 4 panels. A bench rear seat is a safe bet as well as a tire size reduction.

    The main feature I hope acura puts in the next TSX are:
    *6 speed automatic with manual shift
    *Adaptive headlights/cruise control
    *Nav with traffic (Rearview cam with distance marks)
    *Rear ac vents
    *AC/heat seats
    *Some sort of power increase
    *MP3,WMA, DVD-A playback from standard cd changer

    I hope everything else about this car stays the same. Maybe a taller 6th gear for the manual and the nav deck not mounted in the trunk. At least under the pass. seat!

    A personal preference is the Deep green pearl back and different color leathers(bordeaux?) and that rounds it out for me.

    -Cj :shades:
  • beeper27beeper27 Member Posts: 2
    From the stuff that I have read online, they are planning on putting the turbo-rdx engine in there, and possible the sh-awd...that should have some nice power in there. I agree with all the stuff you want in there, but I would like to have some rear heated seats. The one thing that I hate is that in Canada, acura offers the CSX (civic with a few extra options) for the price that the TSX would be offered in the US...I bought a 2006 honda pilot EX AWD from the US, and saved over 13,000 after taxes. I'm going to be doing the same thing when i buy the TSX. Does anyone know where the new TSX will be made? If it's made in North America, then I don't have to pay duties on it, which is something I want to avoid if I can.
  • autoboy16autoboy16 Member Posts: 992
    I thought the CSX was all the rage? Maybe acura will offer a Type-R... It looks just like a JDM civic.

    Not sure when TSX is coming out. Maybe we'll see a TSX "concept" soon. Hopefully, it is a scaled to normal sports4 with the same looks.

    I read other places about the turbo engine; Why do so many people detest the turbo :confuse: !? Its slow in the 4,000lb RDX SUV with AWD but in a small, very aerodynamic(0.27), lightweight sedan i see no problem.

    I just hope acura offers both engines with both transmissions and offer the same features in both cars. Still I am hoping they add a 6speed automanual for cruising.

    -Cj :)
  • biker4biker4 Member Posts: 746
    There's no reason to believe production will be moved from its current production line in Japan.
  • scottmsimpsonscottmsimpson Member Posts: 66
    The TSX in on my short list of new vehicles. I prefer to change oil and filter myself. On our 99 2.3 CL it was a minor pain, had to remove the left front wheel to reach in and remove the drain plug and filter, which was on the back side of the engine. I notice the TSX engine is flipped around relative to the CL. Does anyone on this board do their own oil changes, and can tell me where the filter is, and how hard is it to reach when not on a lift? Thanks.
  • biker4biker4 Member Posts: 746
    Honda in general does not seem to take ease of maintenance into consideration when designing its cars. Most of its cars (and some of its bikes) have some of the most difficult to get to oil filters. Despite the difficulty of getting to the filter, I would not base my car buying decision on that (even tho I swear at Honda every time I change the oil filter in my Accord and ST1300).
  • clm8clm8 Member Posts: 73
    I do my own oil changes. Its not the easiest filter to get to (that would be my old Subaru Legacy) but its not the worst either. I did buy a filter wrench to get a good grip on it. I just put the car up on ramps and reach up to get to it. I don't remove the wheel.
  • 151ranch151ranch Member Posts: 109
    Well, my DH HATES changing the oil on the TSX, and has threatened to make me do it ... something about the plastic pan drives him crazy.

    When he cleans the garage, I'll do my own maintenance. ;)
  • littleteglittleteg Member Posts: 6
    The headlights are the best part of the TSX. Not only is the night vision amazing, but the interior bluelight is a godsend. Combined they make for the best night driving experience I've ever had.
    And... I would never buy a car with red interior dashboard lighting.
    Honda hit a homerun with this car.
    The lights on this car would be a $3k option on BMW 3 or Audi A4. Neither of which have the reliability of Honda!

    I can't wait for a Turbo TSX! That would blow the competition away! Although I do like the new BMW 3 Coupe.
    The Lexus/Toyota IS is also gorgeous. Cant' wait for the new generation TSX hopefully for the 2008 model year.
    Hopefully, they offer a TSX in Honda S2000 yellow!!!
  • autoboy16autoboy16 Member Posts: 992
    s2000 yellow!! :surprise: Hopefully not Saab green....

    Look at the sports4 concept as a tsx preview. HoHonda'styling is coming up! The new accords looks great (like Ridgeline grille meets meats acura CL-s rear meets s2000 front end meets TL sharpness) IMO!

    -Cj :shades:
  • drewbadrewba Member Posts: 154
    The next generation TSX is going to be a 2009 model.
  • nj2pa2ncnj2pa2nc Member Posts: 811
    I have now owned my 06 Milano red/ebony 6spd w/ nav tsx 6 months today. it has almost 16,000 miles on it- bought it new 11/17/06. Had the oil changed today at a acura dealer. They were impressed with how well I keep my car-extremely clean and well maintained. love the car, enough power for me and great gas mileage. (never below 30 and the best has been almost 38). have had numerous cars in the past with turbo engines so I do have something to compare to.
  • tradscotttradscott Member Posts: 108
    Are you talking mpg in terms of a British gallon?

    Even in pure highway driving, I haven't done better than 31 mpg in mine. Then again, I've never ran an entire tank out while cruising at 45 mph either.
  • nj2pa2ncnj2pa2nc Member Posts: 811
    it was based on our recent 6,177 mile road trip from our home in nc to tennessee, arkansas, missouri, kansas, oklahoma, nebraska, wyoming, montana, south dakota, iowa, idaho, colorado, ohio, indiana, missouri, illinois, indiana, west virginia and virginia. we used both the trip computer and the that old fashion calculator. tell me what a british pound is? we traveled in many conditions.
  • dynatsx1dynatsx1 Member Posts: 10
    Well, my TSX ('06 MT w/ Nav) is in the shop for maintenance, and I have an '07 TSX AT w/ nav as a loaner. I must say that I'm pleased with my choice, as the AT seems a bit sluggish and slow to respond. To top it off, my mileage for normal driving around town in the loaner is 18-19 mpg. I usually get 22-23 mpg in my MT TSX on the same route. Go figure!
  • autoboy16autoboy16 Member Posts: 992
    They extended the lifespan of my favorite color for the TSX(Deep Green Pearl)! I hope that in 2009 when i may be ready for another car, I can find a TSX in Deep Green, beige[parchment] with wood trim, navi, spoiler, and less than 50kmiled and about $23k in price or less.

    Hey has anyone moved to a TSX from a 1994-1997 accord? I haven't been able to drive or ride in a TSX yet but i notice that the numbers are similar:
    *170hp to 205hp
    *137lb ft to 167lbft
    *19 city to 21city
    *25city to 31city
    *both 13Cu.FT of trunk space and folding rear seat
    *both have smallish cupholders that should be designed to hold bigger drinks
    *Both have "17"gallon tanks but 1uses premium the other regular :cry:

    Yup, pretty similar on paper but i bet its a whole different story behind the wheel. It usually always is.

    As a sidenote, my new phone has bluetooth and voice dialing so i consider it early practice.

    -Cj
  • drewbadrewba Member Posts: 154
    I suspect that you're going to have to do some waiting to find a used green pearl TSX. I don't think I've ever seen one on the road, meaning there likely won't be many in the used car market.

    I've driven my mother in law's mid-90s Accord several times and any similarity between it and a TSX are on paper only. The Accord may feel a bit faster around town with a 6 cylinder engine, but the TSX will have more top-end power, handle much better and have a much more luxurious interior.
  • bvdj84bvdj84 Member Posts: 1,724
    Is it worth getting the navi for the TSX, or just get the base. It is almost not much more for it now, because of they good deals they have out. Also, does the TSX require to have premium gas in it? I would rather use regular. I am looking to getting a TSX soon.
  • drewbadrewba Member Posts: 154
    Whether or not to get navi is obviously a personal decision, but I've never seen anyone complain that they got it and wish they hadn't. I have however, seen several people post that they wish they had gotten the navi.

    I got an automatic and no navi and now wish that I'd gotten the 6-speed and navi. I guess I'll need to wait for my next new car (2012 or so ;))

    As for premium, the manual states that it is required. I'm not willing to go against that to save $10 per month.
  • nj2pa2ncnj2pa2nc Member Posts: 811
    I have a 06 tsx 6 spd with nav. since I do alot of traveling the nav does come in handy and I was glad I got it. I know other poster will complain but I use regular gas-no problems- performs excellant and I average 32-33mpg. My car is 7 months old with 16,500 miles. according to the manual it does recommend premium (not req.) but not to use lower than 87 octane. took a 6,177 road trip recently thru 20 states- best mileage was almost 39 mpg. never below 30.In one of the states regular gas was 20 cents higher per gallon than premium. (we used regular) I owned two other cars with turbo engine that recommended premium gas- used regular-when I sold them the mazda had 250,000 miles and the talon has 100,000+ miles. Both had the original engine, turbo, transmission, clutch, etc. so regular gas did not ruin them. Using regular will not void your warranty-according to a acura service manager-who uses regular gas in his personal 04 acura tsx.
  • autoboy16autoboy16 Member Posts: 992
    Please avoid asking that Premium vs regular question!! Its like Taboo! Yes the car can take regular(any car thats not diesel can) but in all of those cars, the performance is reduced, engine cannot perform like its supposed to, and MPG is reduced. Yes MPG is reduced and in the end, you end up filling up the tank more often and paying less money more often. In the end, you end up paying more by using regular gas. IMHO, Its best to do as the manufacturer says as they built the car and know how its supposed to perform.

    Or if you are determined, try a tank of each under the same driving conditions and you'll see the difference.

    IMO, i would love to get the Navi! I plan on moving about 300 miles away and will be dependent on the nav until I learn my way around. I saw a used TSX with 36k miles and a navi but in black & parchment(my second fav color combo) for about $20k. I left and came back then they reduced it to $18k. The bad side is that the car is 260miles away... :cry: if its still available when I move, maybe I'll pick it up and keep moving!

    If you do alot of traveling or get stuck in traffic(the TSX doen't have NAV traffic) in an unfamillar area, you can just get off the congested area and it'll reroute your destination. The 2006+ TSX offer bluetooth also. My current phone doesn't have bluetooth so its useless to me;however my speaker broke so I'm 99.98% sure that my next phone will have bluetooth.

    My last recommendation if you get the Nav is to practice the voice commands or better yet, RTFOM[for those not following long-term car tests: Read the fricken owners manual] and it give a lot of Voice prompts and explanations as to what they do. Then at that point, practice!

    Most motorolla phones offer the voice prompt feature for calling and its IMO good practice for a car that can use voice commands.

    -Cj :)
  • hll7575hll7575 Member Posts: 13
    Unless you are an aggressive driver, premium gas is not needed for luxury cars. I worked in the energy industry and I know the engine would not be damaged with regular unleaded. The premium over unleaded is mainly on the octane level. With 10% ethanol blend gasoline selling everywhere (will get to that topic later), your gasoline got automatic octane boost 1 or 2 points over the labeled octane at the pump. So go ahead, feel good feeling up your tank with unleaded gasoline and grin when you watch others paying 10 or 15 cents more per gallon for the totally unnecessary premium.

    Finally, regarding ethanol, it is NOT completely renewable. Does anybody know that it would take as much energy to produce corn-based ethanol as it would burn? There are also immeasurable downsides of growing a lot of corn for ethanol beyond energy waste: erosion of topsoil, increasing non-point agricultural runoff, depleting groundwater in some areas, to name a few. Just some fruits for thought.
  • mrgold35mrgold35 Member Posts: 73
    I still have my 97 I-4 accord LX as daily commuter driver. It is the perfect car for commuting, squeezing into tight parking spaces, driving during bad weather (I have hail damage), and hauling crap to and fro.

    You can see the family resemblance with the 97 Accord/TSX. After driving the TSX for one year and 14,000 miles, I still can’t wait to get behind the wheel every chance I get. I never felt that way with my Accord; the Accord is just basic transportation.
  • autoboy16autoboy16 Member Posts: 992
    Officially one of my favorite posts you made!!

    I agree with you, The accord is still exciting to get behind every time but recent;y I'm getting alot of minor problems. Odometer gave out, not so cool AC during the day(even after window tints), random pops, and a power window that clicks and quits in wet, humid, or cold weather. Thats bad as I live in miami....

    How is the AC in the TSX to the accord!!! THATS MY BIGGEST QUESTION!! Do you have nav?

    -Cj :)
  • bvdj84bvdj84 Member Posts: 1,724
    Hello,

    Will my insurance go up from moving to an 06 4cyl SE accord to a 2007 Acura TSX? which has the 4cyl. I was thinking about that today, I am like, I wonder if it will go up considering the cost of the car is higher, and luxury car. I wouldn't want to take a hit on my insurance rates.

    Also, How is the A/C in the TSX compared to the Accord??
    My 06 accord has one of the best A/C's, it is very cold, even in the hottest of weather. Never have to turn it on high.

    Thanks.
  • gdoctsx1gdoctsx1 Member Posts: 60
    I would certainly say my 06' TSX feels more sensitive and more responsive than the 04'. I drove a white 04' TSX and found there to be difference in power. I've read as much as 13hp was added based on new and old rating methods. 6.6sec sounds quite fast. Wonder where they got this # from? Thoughts.

    Go to acura.com and click on TSX. You'll see it there.
  • biker4biker4 Member Posts: 746
    So go ahead, feel good feeling up your tank with unleaded gasoline and grin when you watch others paying 10 or 15 cents more per gallon for the totally unnecessary premium.
    ...and they'll grin right back knowing that all the savings at the pump are lost in lower fuel millage. ;)
  • bvdj84bvdj84 Member Posts: 1,724
    Hello,

    I was wondering if my insurance will go up, due to going from an 06 accord to 07 TSX?
  • autoboy16autoboy16 Member Posts: 992
    Its similar in mass and classification as the accord so it is likely to stay the same. Why don't you try getting insurance quotes? I hear that all state is a verygood company. But since I don't have a TSX or 03-06accord, i don't know what to tell you. I just think it should go up a small amount because of the lower weight and smaller body. Then again with the civic coupe it actually goes up...

    "Instead of watching a 15 minute movie on youtube, you could be spending that time to get a quote with geico..." as the commercial says.

    -Cj
  • mrgold35mrgold35 Member Posts: 73
    I’m not sure about the Accord windows; but, the TSX has a standard heat rejecting film to help keep the car cool. I also have 35% tint all around and a sun shade when I park outside. The exact same set-up I have on my Accord. The TSX is always about 10-15 degrees cooler on the inside. The TSX’s metal seat belt clip never burned me like in the accord, the leather seats are never too hot to sit on with shorts, no sweaty lower back, and the steering wheel never was too hot to touch.

    I always set my A/C on the Auto setting and to the desire temp. I don’t have to mess with fan speeds; upper/middle/lower vents; or recirculate air/outside air vent functions. Just set-it and forget it. The A/C even adjusts fan speed and temp to the driver or passenger if you have more sun on your side of the car or not.

    I just unlock the car (memory seats), start the engine, adjust my mirrors, select my favorite XM station (sweet 62), and go. It only takes a few minutes to cool down the car on the hottest days in NM. :)

    Forgot to add, I do have the Navi and I love it! Life is good with the Navi system.

    Pic of my 06 TSX from another thread (post #1):
    pat, "New TSX Owner Reports" #1, 9 Aug 2006 7:31 am
  • autoboy16autoboy16 Member Posts: 992
    For me when I get in my accord, i have to wait for my glasses to defog before I can do anything!! The house AC is set at a comfortable 76ºs and my glasses fog up the moment i enter the car. Then I take down my sun shade, burn my tush on the seat, burn my hands on the steering wheel, open the windows and set the AC on 2. As the AC cools down, I let my windows up and look for aloe for my hands!

    The AC in my accord is REAAALLLLLYYYY SLOOW to kick in the cold air. Usually 15minutes then i let my windows up. Then Its still muggy inside and the AC takes car of that. So in total, it takes about 20minutes to get the car cool. But I have to keep it on 2 and turned to the far left for "max" coolness. And all of this is with a sunshade, sunroof closed, and tinted windows.

    I don't know what my tint % is but you can see them on my carspace. I'm glad I didn't get the black accord!!

    My hero you are!! I soooo can't wait to get a TSX. But if i grow anymore, I may have to get an MDX so says my dad...
    6'1. At least my car is worth $7k on KBB. A bit less than my dads 03expedition but more than my sisters millenia(both with great ACs i admit). So thats less $$$ to come up with when pouncing on a TSX or MDX!

    BTW, how are the Voice commands for the nav? I've been in a TSX before but it didn't have nav. I imagine that if i got a tsx with no tint or sunshade, that voice command would be the best thing because I'd hate to touch glass thats been baking in the sun...

    -Cj ps, Thanks sooo much for your answers!! I look forward to reading them. Its almost like an Edmunds long-term test but without the pictures....
  • dudleyrdudleyr Member Posts: 3,469
    I would expect the TSX to have the same A/C as the Accord. It may work a little better since it has less space to cool though.
  • mrgold35mrgold35 Member Posts: 73
    There are over 650 voice commands and I think I only use about 2 or 3 of them. I use the buttons on steering wheel to change between XM and FM, I set my A/C to Auto, and it is faster for me to enter destinations using the touch screen than by voice commands.

    The Mic for the voice commands is located by the rear view mirror. You have to turn down the radio, roll up the windows, and speak very clearly into the mic. Usually, about 30%-50% of the voice commands are not interpreted correctly and you have to repeat. It is still a good system, pressing buttons is way faster with less errors. Downside to pressing buttons is having to take your eyes off the road.

    The touch screen is the absolute best feature on the Navi. You can touch the screen or use the joystick to navigate and select located below the screen. I could live without the voice command; but not the touch screen.
  • autoboy16autoboy16 Member Posts: 992
    I remember when i first tried the RL
    s voice system. It was at a used car selloff. I said "Find nearest restraunt" it responded with "Climate control off" Then I remember trying to say "Climate control on"; and it responded with "Radio Off" plus the knob/joystick wasn't helping much either... I thought it was hilarious but I can see where it can be annoying. :sick:

    Dudleyr, I have a 1995 accord ex v6. The main reason i want the TL is because of the similar hp numbers. from 170hp to 205hpSAE. From 19city/27highway mpg to much higher if the revs are kept below 3k rpm.

    -Cj Do you wash your own car? If so do you have a favorite wax?
  • nj2pa2ncnj2pa2nc Member Posts: 811
    could you please tell me your mpg.
  • nj2pa2ncnj2pa2nc Member Posts: 811
    i use regular gas and average 32-33mpg. The best was almost 39 and the worst was 29.8. From reading other posts I get the same or even better than premium gasoline users. I think I will continue with the regular. The car runs excellant with enough power Use premium if you feel it works for you.Just wondering how many more mpg would I get using premium-do you know
  • hll7575hll7575 Member Posts: 13
    Premium or not is pretty much public info. The fact that most drivers do NOT have good driving habits which may or may not make using premium that much of a difference. The key is: if you drive aggressively (meaning you accelerate and brake a lot, and always strive to pass other cars on highways), yes, premium gas would help in performance in that way. But if you are like me, just driving consciously, but not obsessively measuring my gas mileage, you are not likely to see a difference between premium and regular.

    Just a side note. I just returned from a roundtrip between Washington DC to Providence, RI (taking daughter to her summer program). There were three of us (wife, daughter, and me, with daugther's stuff) in a 2005 Honda Civic LX (not the hybrid version, just the regular LX) with A/C on all the way. I experimented with some advice I read about from the internet, and kept the speed on cruising at 60-65 mpg for mostly freeway driving. I ended up with 45 mpg(!) and did NOT get the middle finger greetings from others by driving too "slowly" on the Jersey Turnpike.

    The bottom line is: if you have a TSX and would like to get "wild" every now and then, go ahead to fill your tank with premium (actually mid-grade premium is good enough, you would NEVER, EVER, need the top supreme grade) and drive your TSX like a sports car.
  • patpat Member Posts: 10,421
    Why not just use whatever grade the manufacturer recommends?
  • hll7575hll7575 Member Posts: 13
    Please don't consider this an arguement. Rather, consider it an option for the drivers. This is also not restricted to TSX only.

    Background: Most auto manufacturers made tremendous progress in engine fuel efficiency in the past two decades. However, the increase in engine fuel efficiency has been largely offset by ever larger engine displacements. Many drivers are buying into the hype of performance so almost all luxury cars are selling for the horsepower, speed, etc. In order to do that, higher octane gasoline would help burn gasoline quickly if one wants to have the 0-60 performance of less than, say 6-7 seconds.

    If you are the type who are perfectly ok with normal driving/acceleration, there is no need to use high octane gasoline.

    This is a free country, people are free to choose whatever they feel like it. When gasoline prices were a lot cheaper just a few years back, people probably didn't feel like they need to save a few dollars here and there. But given the gasoline price over $3 now, it DOES "save" if people know about the difference between regular vs. premium.

    Incidentally, Virginia (where I live) will start charging aggressive drivers a very steep charge for speeding. If one got a speeding ticket for 20 mph over the posted speed limit, he/she could get over a thousand dollars over three years in fines to fund the highway budget. I am NOT kidding, and it's for real and starting July 1, 2007.
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Member Posts: 3,118
    The TSX, like many high performance cars, performs best with 91 octane fuel.

    It is the knock sensor that allows you to run your TSX with 87 or 89 octane fuel without damage.

    Unfortunately, a side-effect of running an engine with retarded timing is not only reduced horsepower, but also reduced fuel economy.

    If 91 octane fuel yields an average of 25 MPG, you will only need 50 (12 gallon) fill-ups to cover 15,000 miles. At $3.20/gallon, you will pay $1920.

    If you drive under the same conditions on 87 octane gasoline and retarded ignition timing causes a 2 MPG average drop in fuel economy (23 MPG average), you will need 54 (12 gallon) fill-ups to cover 15,000 miles. At $3.00/gallon, you will pay $1944 - an additional $24.

    Your car is designed to perform best on premium fuel. Premium fuel also often contains added detergents that keep your engine cleaner and healthier longer. Premium fuel costs only $0.20/gal more than regular fuel. Do the math.
  • nj2pa2ncnj2pa2nc Member Posts: 811
    please read my previous post (#4995)I have more than enough horsepower and very good gas mileage.
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Member Posts: 3,118
    I was replying to hll7575 (posts 4996 and 4998).
  • nj2pa2ncnj2pa2nc Member Posts: 811
    I know that but I use regular gas with excellant results. My tsx is 7 months old with 17,000+miles. If you think premium gas is better than use it but I will continue to use regular gas. I do alot of driving-mostly highway.
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Member Posts: 3,118
    I'm not "knocking" you (pun intended) :blush: I'm just putting out information that might help others decide whether to go with regular or premium.

    Drive on...
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