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I currently have a 2004 A4 1.8T 6 sp. quattro that I bought after coming "this close" to buying a TSX. The car's been a delight to drive, but the electrical problems (windows, lights, speaker connections) are starting to pile up, and I'm only 2,000 miles from being out of warranty.
I didn't buy an extended warranty, and I don't have any plans to. Yes, it'd be nice to be covered by a longer warranty, but even nicer to not have to use the warranty in the first place. My original idea was to just wing it for the first 10K miles or so out of warranty and see how things went. Maybe I'd be one of the "lucky" Audi owners. Now I think I should have leased.
But since I can't get a do-over here, I'm now looking into trading in the Audi for one of the few remaining 2006 TSXS. I began obsessing over this after realizing the 2006s were being sold for a big chunk off the sticker price. Of course, the only ones that are left are autos without NAVI., but after test driving one today, realized I could live with that.
So, who else out there has been in this situation, where they have an A4 they really enjoy, but realize it might be smart to take whatever trade-in value they have left and put it toward a TSX? Three years ago, there was an A4 vs. TSX, but I guess it was closed.
Any car you purchase new will only be covered by warranty for so long, and then you'll be looking at out of pocket costs for maintenance and repairs.
Yes, the Acura is predicted to be more reliable than an Audi, but really, how much do lightbulbs cost? Certainly not $10,000.
If you like the Audi, I don't see a reason to get rid of it.
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2022 Wrangler Sahara 4Xe, 2023 Toyota Tacoma SR 4WD
-Cj
-Cj
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2022 Wrangler Sahara 4Xe, 2023 Toyota Tacoma SR 4WD
TOV still has it matrixed as MY '08 AFAIK, so that's what I'm going with. If that's the case, we should see an all new car next fall.
I did manage to get if from the sidewalk to the gate however. It only cut off once.
-Cj
I hope honda brings over its CTDI diesel engine as it gets almost 40mpg highway and has ALOT of torque! Heck, do that for the current model!! Thats a gaurrented way to boost sales!!
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-Cj
Honda already has the technology ready too!
-Cj
-Cj
Pros:
*With the TSX relatively low curb weight, the turbo engine should have 260hp and 245lb ft of torque.
*The TSX would be better up there with the IS350, BMW 335i, ect
*Better handling by more even weight distribution: The RDX has a 57/43 weight distribution and the current TSX has a 61/39 split
Possible SH-AWD
Cons:
*Questionable Fuel Economy
*Possible SH-AWD. Everything with SH-AWD weighs over 4klbs
*Lags behind is350,335i,ect
Unchanged:
*Still Must rev the Tsx to access that power
*Priemum fuel
Or an optional v6 engine, Either the 3.2 form TL or 3.0 from accord
Pros:
*Can get great MPG
*Low end torque
*Can run on regular gas
Cons:
*Steal TL, Rl and Accord v6 sales
*Would weigh more
*Possible torque steer(LSD or SH-AWD could fix)
*Still not their with is350,335i, ect
-Cj
Adding SH-AWD to the TSX would add more weight. It would turn -in more slowly and need larger tires and brakes. Sounds like the TL to me.
Optional V6 makes no sense - the TL already has that too.
What the next TSX needs to be is an S2000 with a back seat and luxury touches. It should have a hot, 2.5L I-4 that revs to 8000 RPM and makes 240hp and 200tq - without forced induction. Leave the manual transmission alone, make the A-Spec suspension standard, and include ultra-high performance tires.
The TSX does not compete with the IS350 and 335i, and it shouldn't. It should do what it does best - that is, occupy a "tweener ground" between the current entry level luxury/performance sedans (3-series, G35, etc) and the more family oriented performance sedans (Mazda 6, Legacy 2.5GT, etc.)
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2022 Wrangler Sahara 4Xe, 2023 Toyota Tacoma SR 4WD
I'm sure with a revised traction control system and some engineering, they could dial the higher torque-steer out of the car..
TSX-S.. Bring it on!
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Yep, Honda has positioned the TSX quite well for the "tweener" position - and it will keep it so.
Seems to me that Honda is going the Audi route to differentiate Honda form Acura - equip its whole lineup with SH-AWD.
"between the current entry level luxury/performance sedans (3-series, G35, etc) and the more family oriented performance sedans (Mazda 6, Legacy 2.5GT, etc.)"
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Let's keep it there! Personally, I don't want an all wheel drive car. If I did, I'd pick up an A4.
Not that Canada makes up much of a market segment, but I don't really want a car for 50-55k. The reason there are comparisons made between the TSX and other cars that are more expensive (3servies, g35, TL, IS) is because the TSX is the best overall car in the next lower price segment to the mentioned vehicles. I would rather not see a Turbo in the TSX, but if the rumors are true it will be there regardless (big mistake if you ask me). The TSX has the best normally aspirated 4 cylinder engine of any sedan I can think of. More torque....sure, add it. More HP ...add it. Turbo...keep it out. Forced induction for the next TSX...hmmm...I'll be switching to another company for my next vehicle. Holy crap, it might drive like a turbo volvo (insert vomit face).
I'll take the next generation TSX with 220Hp and 185tq at with a 8000rpm redline.
The TSX occupies a unique and difficult segment that is really tough to qualify/quantify. Soften it up too much and you have just another TL. Firm it up too much and you've got an S2000.
My position is that the TSX must occupy a middle ground. More HP is a must to remain competitive, but not too much that it becomes a slower/lower revving also-ran. More chassis refinement is also a must given the level of competence that the Family segment now enjoys, but not so much that it weighs too much or isolates the driver.
I liked the comment about the TSX being more of a near-lux, 4 door Prelude - that's kind of how I've always thought of the TSX.
PS: My BMW 2.5L I-4 FI makes 215hp/170tq at the wheels - with 20 year old technology and no FI. With modern engine management technology, Honda is more than capable of matching this in a mass produced engine.
Adding the Turbo will have more low down hp and torque and weight shouldn't go up much at all. I also say no on SH-AWD for the TSX. I do however think that with the turbo, the tsx should get a Limited Slip Differential so we'll here no complaints of torque steer.
Tweeners like the Volvo s40 and saab 9-3? Both offer turbos and the saab has a 250hp one also.
The turbo in the RDX makes 260lb feet and 240hp. Those numbers are where you want it. But the RDX has sh-awd and weighs more than 4klbs. Everything with sh-awd weights over 4k lbs.
The current TSX weighs 33,170lbs so if it gets a more powerful engine and weight increases to 3,500 lbs whats the problem?
Also the tsx now has a 61/39 weight split and the turbo could bring this near the RDX's 57/43.
To sum it up, a Tsx type S (or even standard model) with a 58/42 weight split, a vtec 2.3l turbo 245hp, 265lb ft of torque, near 7k redline, sport tuned suspension, little turbo lag as the heavier RDX flies from zero to 60 mph in 6.8 seconds and completed the quarter-mile in 15.2 seconds at 90.4 mph , and honda reliability doesn't please you?
Here, read or watch the Acura RDX in action!
-Cj
Overall, I like the idea of adding a turbo and SH-AWD, but I also like the (relatively) low weight, handling, and sub $30,000 price tag on the current model. All Acura needs to do is cram that turbo in there, add SH-AWD, maintain the driving dynamics, and keep the sticker close to where it is.... easy, right?!?
My only opposition to the turbo is the lower compression ratio, lower redline, and presumably, slower revving character of the engine. One of the big reasons why the TSX is so much fun is the responsive, rev-happy I-4. I fear a turbo might rob the engine of some of its throttle response.
Really, they can't add too much power to the TSX. It weighs 300 lbs less than the TL as it is, and I don't think Honda will allow the TSX to be the stoplight king of their lineup.
So the turbo is out? Wouldn't the tsx only gain like 200lbs by adding the RDX's engine? Also, this is mostly for the gen 2 tsx.
Pretty hard to come close to 50/50 weight distribution on a front-driver, but they can do better.. BMW puts the battery in the trunk, and uses aluminum suspension pieces in the front only..
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Given that Acura has opened the door back up again with the TL-S, maybe they'll be willing to go that route with the TSX, especially given that the biggest beef about the car seems to be its lack of torque/power. I'll bet it gets the SH-AWD, too. $0.02
Put my name on the waiting list...
There's virtually no car out there that didn't go up in weight during a redesign. With the TSX it will be just a matter of how much. With an RDX drivetrain and SH-AWD it will be at least 200lbs and probably more. Keeping it FWD only, may mean only a 100 lb gain. The only way it wouldn't gain weight is if Honda somehow downsized it into the compact category - that's not happening.
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I was told on here that's what you get when you spend 25K on an entry level Accura. My wife bought a GT Subaru limited AWD and it came with better leather than my car.It 's soft and supple and I love the heated seats.She stores her BMW in winter as she is on call alot and needed a AWD car.
I 'm buying a new car this spring,but afraid of the TX's leather ,as the TSX is considered entry level. :confuse:
What I would like fixed is the lousy turning radius and I personally would give up some trunk for a bigger back seat. Yes, I know, I could get a TL, but I did not like the placement of the shifter and it felt like the car was being "pulled" by the engine.
RE: leather I think the Honda/Acura leather is still pretty weak, as is the paint quality. My car is less than 2 years old and my eleven year old Volvo has better looking paint/leather. But the Acura doesn't stall the engine at 70mph :surprise:
As a side note, As Great as the FWD Tsx is, did anyone know that it has a 61/39 weight balance!! This is surprising!
I hope no one wants the Sh-awd TSx as everything with it weighs over 4k lbs.... But a 250hp 260lb ft of torque Tsx with a 2.3l Turbo sounds good to me! Just no Sh-awd unless it weights as a whole less than 3700lbs.
3700 lbs sounds like alot but then again, the RDX SUV with Sh-awd and automatic transmission weighs 3982lbs and gets to 60mpg in 7.1 seconds. It has a 57/43 weight split vs the Tsxs 61/39. The TSX get to 60mph in 8.5seconds with automatic and no Sh-awd. The tsx now weighs 3356lbs
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-Cj
The paint issue has been address many times - thank the tree huggers. :P
While the weight may go up it won't go up that much - my guess would be 3500lbs with SHAWD.
It's models like the TSX that debunk the myth that you have to have 50/50 weight distribution to get good handling. :shades:
Wow talk about nice inside, very impressed with the TSX had to take it for a test drive. This was an auto even with the salesman in the car I pushed it as much as I could. Power as others have said was just ok, not as much as I would like.
Will have to take on longer drive and try some hi way on ramps and high speed passing, also need to drive at night.
But the inside quality seemed much better than the Altima and I am an Altima fan. This is too bad since I can get the Nissan VPP program.
If anyone has more impressions of the auto TSX as far as getting up to speed on high speed on ramps, and high speed passing please comment. I have read most of the posts in this thread. Old Mike