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I spotted an (insert obscure car name here) classic car today! (Archived)

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  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,023
    Is it a 4-door hardtop or a pillared sedan?
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    ...it seems there were a lot of late '60s and early '70s Impalas in excellent condition when I was in high school in the early 1980s. I knew a girl whose family had a drop-dead gorgeous gold 1969 Caprice four-door hardtop. Unfortunately, this car was struck by a drunken driver and totaled out as a 13 year-old car wasn't worth much regardless of how well it was cared for.

    Another victim of careless driving was a beautiful bronze 1966 Caprice driven by another girl. The car was repaired with used body panels in different colors and was destined to be a jalopy for the rest of its life.

    My best friend's Dad had a brown 1973 Impala sedan and a gold 1971 Caprice hardtop. I remember trying to buy the '71 from him but buying my 1968 Buick about a month later.

    Another guy I knew had a 1972 Impala sedan which was in excellent condition. It was dark blue with a white top.
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,023
    ...or both? But there's a website dedicated to the '72 Impala! http://www.stillruns.com

    I guess that shouldn't shock me though, as there's also a website dedicated to the Buick Apollo! http://www.buickapollo.com
  • blh7068blh7068 Member Posts: 375
    Now DONT get worked into a lather! :)

    I just went outside to get a closer look...and this car is super CLEAN.

    No, its not a hardtop (i.e no vinyl roof) just a 4 door sedan.

    Brown interior, real nice, no visible tears or dashboard cracks. Original AM radio looked to be in place, too.

    Kinda hard to see inside because the windows were tinted.
  • wimsey1wimsey1 Member Posts: 201
    Yep, I think the Interlagos was a Renault Alpine A110 clone. Good job!
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,670
    The Interlagos was based on an Alpine A108 according to this.....

    http://www.carhomepage.com/members/index.php?IDuser=352

    I think I remember seeing them when I was in Rio ca. '75-6. Cute cars and you don't get much more obscure than a Brazilian Willys based on a Renault Alpine. No, I don't know what an A108 was.

    2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93

  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    Spirit of America...that's what the estate car I saw was. I probably should have bought it...the lowrider guys seem to love those 70s fullsize Chevys nowadays.

    Shifty, was that 5 speed pagoda the ZF transmission that is worth so much money now? And you sure right about them needing to be wound up...the fintail is the same way, the FI system seems to be intolerant of low speeds, esp in traffic james and border queues.

    I wonder if the Willys name could be brought back...
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    An Alpine 108 was a cabriolet variant of the A106. What happened to A107? It was a steel body prototype that never got produced.

    An Alpine 106 actually won its class in the 1956 Mille Miglia.

    A 280SL with the rare 5-speed brings at least a $3,500 premium to the price. I'd sure pay extra for it.

    Somehow the name Willys doesn't have much cache for the 21st Century, does it? I suppose if you pronounced it "Willis", but I can't imagine telling a car valet to "get me the willies".
     However, I always liked the name "Willys-Knight".

    Here are some great names out of Cars for Sale in Hemmings Motor News this month:

    1912 Apperson Jack Rabbit

    1911 Krit

    1910 Cutting

    1916 Woods Mobilette
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    Maybe Willys could be a lower priced car name, as it was in the 30s...with retro being the latest fashion, it might work.

    Apperson Jackrabbit...I read something about that car when I was much younger. I think it was quite a performer for the day. Someday, I would really like to have a veteran car. At a local car show last year someone had an early one cylider Cadillac, c.1905, and it was the neatest little car. I love how those things chug along...very charming. Early day supercars like a Mercedes Simplex are just as cool to me, but not as attainable.

    Here's a 5 speed 230SL http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item- =2454937157&category=6329

    Someone please rescue this fintail! They are wrong on the year (220S production ceased in 1965) but it looks great anyhow, and is worth saving. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item- =2455024888&category=6329
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    Speaking of 5 speeds...you can have your 5 speed 113...I will take this 5 speed 112. As far as I have heard, less than a dozen of these were made. This is the ultimate 111/112 convertible IMO, even more so than the V8s....maybe because it is more tied to a fintail in this configuration.

    http://www.dearbornauto.com/showroom/1965_300se_silver/index.htm
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    I think that fintail is ready for the boneyard...make a good parts car, though...but oy-vey---you need an engine, paint, upholstery and who knows what's with the automatic after sitting for two decades. A money pit. Sacrificial lamb so that others may live.

    Those converts are sweet---they ride well and have enough power to handle modern roads.

    RE: 5-speed 230SL --- I thought the "fully restored" comment was amusing given the photos, and a car from Paris with no rust is another remark that stretches one's credulity. But it would be a decent car to upgrade if the price wasn't too high.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    I think that fintail would be an excellent mate for someone who has a mechanically sound, but rusty car. I wouldn't even bother with the paint and upholstery...it's a fintail, no point in doing a full resto. Leave it original and patinated. Drop another engine and maybe a transmission in it, along with suspension freshening, and you'd be set. Pick that one up for a grand, pick up a mechanically sound rustbucket for a grand tops, and then you'd have a good driver and a parts car. An engine and transmission swap couldn't be too hard with identical cars.

    People use "restored" and "original" both very arbitrarily. You see some very amusing stuff on ebay.

    I have heard stories about some of the tail end of W112 sedan production also being built with that 5 speed. I want one of those.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    you're an incurable optimist, and good on ya'...but I'm still voting for the boneyard on that one. You can just go buy an automatic fintail for way less than all this expense and work and then you won't have a "bitsa" car, made outta bitsa this and bitsa that. Nothing worse than a car made from 5 other cars. They are never right IMO. And 20 years in the dirt, too! Be afraid, be very afraid....

    Reminds me of something...someone tried to sell me a Jaguar 420 the other week. Remember those?
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,670
    EEEEWWWW! There are way nicer Jags out there than the bulbous 420.

    2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93

  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    I am an optimist...about cars I like, anyway. And that one doesn't look bad. A fintail that is so rustfree is rare, and that alone should spare it. There's nothing wrong with transplanting an engine from an identical car...I'd be more worried about body structure issues than that. I think the price has now been bid up too steep for such a project, but there are many worse way to spend the money. Like on a Jag 420
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Rusty, schmusty...you can buy an entire unrusted and running fintail out here in California and even with $1,000 shipping costs you'd be way ahead of any project involving a car that has sat for 20 years. All you are really buying here is a body, which is worth $350, and maybe some nice bits and pieces, so we'll throw in another $400, for a total value of $750. More than fair.

    Yep, Jaguar 420 in the boneyard, too. There are lots of pieces on that car that can fit into more desirable Jaguars.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    Are there any nice 220S/SE/300SE in your area on the market now?

    A presentable body and interior should be worth a grand. It'd make a good project for a MB tinkerer. More fun than a Jag 420

    I actually saw one of these on the road today, keeping up with traffic at about 40mph

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Here's one in California...price is too high by about $1,500, but.....

     /65 Sb, automatic, working a/c, supposed to be spotless, 2 documented owners, garaged, asking $5,000 in Los Gatos.

    Saw a "pristine" fintail in Hemmings with no price from Walter Star Sales in Colorado....that's walterscars.com. It sounds pretty amazing:

    "1963 - Mercedes Benz 220S Sedan Light Ivory with a mint leather interior. This is really a one-owner vehicle that was owned by a little old lady in Vail, Colorado. The car is completely original and looks as good as the day she drove it off the dealers lot. We have fantastic maintenance records for the vehicle and if you’re looking for the nicest fin tail sedan on the planet then you can stop your search because here it is."

    (Saw the photos---the car looks absolutely brand new--make him an offer and you can keep it for the rest of your life. I'm sure the price is silly but money talks, you know.)

    Here's one in Washington (state of), asking $3,600 (too much for a 190)

    1962 MERCEDES BENZ 190C, RUNS AND DRIVES GREAT, NEW PARCHMENT INTERIOR. $7,500 INVESTED, DAILY DRIVER, RECORDS FROM NEW, 134,000 ORIGINAL MILES,BODY GREAT, MOSTLY ORIGINAL PAINT. NEW TIRES

    Here's one in Santa Cruz California:

    "1962 MERCEDES BENZ 220SE SEDAN, 4 DR, 285K MILES, EXC IN/OUT CONDITION, W/SNRF, $3800 OR BEST OFFER, 831-425-9095.

    Probably could get that one for a bit less, too, but price is sort of market correct if it's clean.
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,670
    tell us what the British-looking Suburban/H3 look-alike is.

    2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93

  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    It's an old c.1935 White bus. The one I saw was a maroon color, and was obviously restored, as it looked mint. A very weird sight on a crowded suburban road on a rainy Saturday morning.

    Some of those fintails could be good deals. You are right about that 110 being too high...the quad lights and chrome of the 111 cars is what makes the price. I'd pick the SE over the others just for the FI, if everything is working. I think one can be a lot of old car for the money...perfectly usable on modern roads, yet pretty unusual and fun. And if someone knows what they are doing...they wouldn't be worse off putting a good engine in a good body. I paid $1500 for mine btw...about 10 years ago now...but I did have to do some engine work after a couple years, as it was burning oil. I don't want to that ever again.
  • ghuletghulet Member Posts: 2,564
    ...are being used still, I can't remember where exactly, somewhere in the mountains, seems maybe somewhere in the southeast.....Carolinas, Virginia, the Appalachians? I dunno, but there was a segment about them on AutoWeek or one of those other car geek shows I occasionally catch. Anywho, fairly recently a bunch of them were given to a Ford factory, basically disassembled, the old body put on a new, modified E350 (big van) chassis and drivetrain. I think they even have a/c and an airbag now.

    I guess I just live in the wrong place, but I never see fintails, rarely do I even see any later (67-72, or even the 73-80s) S-class Benzes. A friend of my brother does have a pretty nice '64 SEb convertible, though. Basically, in Chicago, anytime anyone has a decent, low or no rust car over twenty years old, it's treated like the holy grail and priced accordingly. I think I'll buy a bunch of cheap old 4x4 trucks, send them to Jolie in Alaska where they sell for a mint, stop in California with the proceeds on the way back and buy a bunch of cheap, rust-free but otherwise unremarkable old cars and sell them for beaucoup back here. It's the best retirement plan I've come up with yet.
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,670
    (White Tour Buses) or maybe I'm just thinking of Ford Excursions :^)

    2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93

  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    If they made a LWB Excursion like that, some people would buy it. Great for crusing the malls and suburban roads.

    Maybe the bus I saw was a retrofit. I can't imagine driving something like that in modern traffic...so big and heavy, and it has to have manual everything. And it was right in the middle of a pack of traffic, keeping up! It was pretty cool in its own way, I like 1930s streamlined styling. The one I saw was a darker color than the one in that link, btw...maroon I am pretty sure.

    I think CA, TX, CO etc are the only places where old MB survive. Even here in the northwest, old cars rust away, they just take longer to get to the point of no return. I have seen so many fintails that were beyond redemption. Newer cars tend to do better...lots of nice appearing 80s Japanese stuff still around...it will rust away in another 10 years, whereas in the rust belt the cars were vanishing 10 years ago.
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,023
    I was out and about today, running errands, and one of those errands (running to a discount liquor store to stock up before our next snow storm) took me past a junkyard, where the cars were piled high enough to be seen above the fence. Oddly, at the very top of the pile, was a '67-68 Camaro convertible!

    I only saw it from a distance, but could see that the front-end clip was gone, and the top was reduced to rags. Still, it was a bit odd, seeing something like that in a junkyard, nowadays! I figured somebody'd snatch something like that up, even if to get a few more parts off of it! For example, it still had the taillights and doors. And with the money people seem to want for those things nowadays, I'm surprised it didn't get sold as a "project car"!

    Only other thing of interest I saw was an MG. Don't know much about them, except it was white, small, had rubberized bumpers, and was smoking.

    Oh yeah, on tv, I caught part of "For Your Eyes Only". Hadn't seen it in years, but I always remembered the car chase at the beginning. James and whichever Bond girl this one was were running from the bad guys in one of those Citroen Deux Chevaux thingies! Also spotted a Mercedes bus during the chase. I knew Benz made buses, but I don't think I've ever seen one. Kind of a neat looking thing.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Except for big blocks with special options, early Camaros aren't really that valuable---so fixing up a skeleton like that would never be worth the trouble. Besides, there were almost 50,000 convertibles made in 67-68, so they aren't hard to find in nicer shape than that, or at least complete. So really it makes perfect sense for that corpse to be in a wrecking yard.

    At least somebody got a front clip from it, so that's good. As for lights and trim bits, you can buy all that stuff these days, no sweat.

    Now if it were a split-window '63 Vette coupe, well then, it wouldn't be there...
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,670
    a couple of generations of Jensen Interceptors, all Hemi-powered, going back to the 50s. There have been a number of British GTs with Yank V8s, remember the Gordon-Keebler(Chevy V8)?

    The tradition continues, today's Bristol cars feature Hemi-power, Bristol being one of the largest remaining British-owned manufacturers.

    http://www.bristolcars.co.uk/Blenheim3/power.htm

    2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93

  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    Shame a decent looking car like that was dead, but yeah, all of those parts are in good supply, through originals or repros, so it's not a huge loss. I would hope anyone would know that something like that Camaro has collectible value, so I would assume anything useful was scavenged already. I'd be sadder about a highline fintail being crushed, but that's just me.

    Speaking of that Vette...there's a little old lady in town, must be in her late 70s at least...who on sunny summer days can be seen sporting around in her 66 Stingray. It's red, it's immaculate, and she's quite a sight...now that's an unusual one.
  • ghuletghulet Member Posts: 2,564
    I don't know why, but values for Camaros seems to have gone beyond those of Mustangs (which were hotter in the '80s it seems), which were nutty to begin with. I'd think even a clapped out convertible Camaro of that era would at least bring more value than what a scrap yard would pay for it. I'm guessing that car, since its front clip and undoubtedly engine and trans were gone, that it already was a 'parts car'. Someone finally got tired of seeing it on the driveway.
  • lancerfixerlancerfixer Member Posts: 1,284
    Driving from Des Moines to Cedar Rapids this past Saturday, I spotted the rusted out skeleton of an old Mercedes in a farmer's field next to I-80. No doors, no wheels, no trim...don't ask me what model it was; there wasn't much left and I was doing about 80 past it. :-)
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    ...not far from Philly that had an entire acre of old Mercedes - lots of fintails. I was past that way last night and now they're all gone. Wonder what happened to them. From the few fintails that were around when I was a kid, they tended to start rusting on the top of the front fender near the headlights.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    That's a notorious place for rust on those cars...along with rocker panels, substructure underneath the car, and the trunk/rear wheel arches. They certainly were not a rustproofed car
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    ...since I've seen the James Bond movie "Goldfinger" but wasn't 007's Aston-Martin being chased by a couple of black fintails?
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    I remember them as pontons (the cars that came before the fintail), but it's been a while for me too.

    "On Her Majesty's Secret Service" features a fintail that chases Bond (in that Cougar, if I recall) that rolls over at fairly low speed...and very shortly after bursts into flame. I would expect better crashworthiness....LOL
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    "chased" is optimistic, maybe "followed"? Can't recall. Now a fintail with a Chevy crate motor might work for that---they handled okay for a 60s type sedan.

    Camaros---nah, a car like that is hopeless. You can buy a beautiful "basic" Camaro convertible for $15-20K, and you certainly can't restore a mangled junkyard car for anything like that---more like 3 times the price of one that's already done. And then all you have is a pretty common car unless it is a big block or an RS/SS. It would be an unskillful decision. Besides, there are plenty of running but botched-up Camaros out there begging to be made right, and they could be done for a lot less money then a turkey carcass the day after Thanksgiving.
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,023
    is a trouble spot on any car that has 50's style fenders. A lot of cars back then didn't have full fender wells like they do today. My guess is the area between the top of the headlight bezel and the underside of the fender top is at just the right angle for the front tires to sling mud and gunk up in that spot.

    With later cars, even if they didn't have the full fender well, the fenders themselves were lower, so I'd guess the mud wouldn't sling up into that same spot.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Jaguar XK140s were notorious for that same problem.

    My old fintail rotted in the exact places you mentioned. Best thing to do is throw a magnet on those places right off the bat if you are thinking of buying one that "looks good".
  • wimsey1wimsey1 Member Posts: 201
    I believe. I was running on memory there, always risky.

    My neighbor has an Alfa Guilia or Guilietta under a tarp in front of his garage right now. He had one upside down under his back porch when I bought the house, some of the neighbors were annoyed with this but I had a feeling we would get along pretty good. :) Funny how tastes in lawn ornamentation vary.

    On the "memory lane" front I remember riding in a neighbors Mercedes fintail as a kid. In rural Minnesota back then ('60's) that was one odd car.
    Far weirder was a little collection on a main street in a near by town. I always looked at those strange little cars and wondered what they were, local legend was that the guy "built 'em hisself". Years later I realized that it was a nest of little Fiats, 500s, 600s & several Multiplas! A Multipla in that setting looked like a leftover from an alien landing.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Multipla---world's first minivan?
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,670
    It does look rather like an A110. The Interlagos and the A108 are about as obscure as you can get. I had to go to Google and I've seen the damn things.

    2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93

  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,670
    Did the Multipla predate the Microbus/Transporter?

    Wasn't there a Multipla based on the Cinquecento? Can you imagine driving one in the Italian Alps?

    2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93

  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    It was in the snow...fintails were good in the snow. I'll say they chased the Cougar.

    Fintails were very well made, but they forgot about rust related issues. I think andre is right about why the front ends can get rusty, those high fenders have plenty of moisture cavities. There's also a funny area just in front of the firewall that runs along the fender near the shock mount that causes water to pool...has to be a rust magnet. And that's not even close to the drainage issues that cause the trunks to go.

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    You can see the rust nest near the fender (also handy for leaving tools and driving away), and also see how open it is under the car. My 126 has a big plate under the engine and it is not so open.

    Multiplas are pretty cool. There's one in a neighboring town here....it sounds like a lawnmower. I am sure it's a fun vehicle, and has to turn heads as much as a supercar.
  • wimsey1wimsey1 Member Posts: 201
    Wasn't there something in the '30's called a Stoudt Scarab that looked like the Previas grandmammy? I think they made about 6 or so.
    And that crazy thing with a propeller (Leyat?) had a rather one box design also.
    Well I guess Lee Ioccoca (actually wasn't it really Hal Sperlich?) didn't do it after all.

    One of my old favorites is the Nash-Healy. Did pretty good at LeMans, and I like both the Panelcraft & Pinifarina bodies. Might make a good classic to have as a driver. What are they worth?

    I'm crazy for Arnolt-Bristols, also. One of my favorite Bertone bodies, with a neat inline 6 for power and music, and they were supposed to handle well. What's not to like. If anyone thinks of me next Christmas it would make a great stocking stuffer. I think a deep blue would highlight those curves really well. ;D
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    I wonder if Buckminster Fuller's Dymaxion could also qualify...it's a one box design too...or a one thing design

    image

    The Scarab was a little more normal....really something for 1935

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    The Dymaxion was supposed to go along with the Dymaxion House, as a kind of combination. They were both designed for efficiency in terms of space, fuel consumption and supposedly, construction (dunno about that last part).

    There is stilla Dymaxion running somewhere as well as a running Leyat (propeller car from France as you might have guessed).

    And Healy must always be spelled Healey or the ghost of Donald Healey will haunt you! It was a handsome car but rather dragged down by the technically backward Nash engine and by the eventual cost of the car (they only made 500 of them total). Worse yet, it came out just as Jaguar introduced the stunning and modern XK120 for the same price. To the car's credit, it ran successfully at LeMans, winning I think a third and another year a fourth place. Pretty darn good for a car that was not particularly fast or modern. Built on an Austin Healey Silverstone frame.
  • wimsey1wimsey1 Member Posts: 201
    Believe me, I am one penitent sinner! Well, their are probably worse people to be haunted by. ;D
    Wasn't there a Leyat running at Goodwood this year?
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Yep, I saw a picture of it in R&T. I can't imagine what propwash does to your hair!
  • jrosasmcjrosasmc Member Posts: 1,711
    I saw, for the first time in a long time, an older Mazda pickup truck that wasn't actually a rusted-out hulk. It looked to be a '91 or '92 extended-cab, and this one was in pretty nice condition. As most of you know, Mazda pickups (the Japanese-made ones) were notorious in the '80s and '90s for rusting very quickly, as the sheetmetal was pretty thin stuff.

    Hey Mr. Shiftright, what's your take on these older Mazda trucks? I know they're nothing exciting, but they seem to be reliable products. My dad had one years ago and we had good luck with it, but we had major trouble with rust.
  • lancerfixerlancerfixer Member Posts: 1,284
    I think you pretty much summed it up right there. My dad had two of these...both went beyond 200k, and both were sent to the boneyard because of rust (New England road salt...you must know it well,) not mechanical issues. Perfect little commuter trucks that were good for light hauling. IIRC, my dad got about 30 mpg highway. I learned to drive on one of 'em.
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    ...but there's a 1986 or so Pontiac Grand Prix "glassback" parked in the lot at work every day. The back kind of reminds me of a 1965 Plymouth Barracuda.
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