19,500 on a used 03 Regal sounds like it may have originally been a rental back in those days. I got more than few Buick's from Hertz during that era. My experience at least was that Hertz actually maintained their cars.
Yeah, it had been a rental. It was also a fairly early build date car, June of '02, and Dad got it in September of '03. On the plus side, it was only $12,840 out the door with tax, tags, and an extended warranty my Dad insisted on having. I think it would have originally stickered for around $26K new...of course, nobody paid sticker for a car like this...
Oh, last night, I had to run by and see my uncle on the way home from work, and got some pics of the two Buicks together. Kissin' cousins, I guess
The Buick Ultra still looks pretty good. Too bad it needs mechanical/brake repair. I imagine you could sell it for $1500 give or take. It was a grand car when new.
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The Buick Ultra still looks pretty good. Too bad it needs mechanical/brake repair. I imagine you could sell it for $1500 give or take. It was a grand car when new.
Y'know, I had presumed they were different, simply because GM likes to do things like that, but, I just googled it, and the '03 Regal and '00 Park Avenue both came up as 5 on 115mm, which is roughly a 4.53" bolt pattern. However, I wonder if the hub openings are the same size?
It's almost tempting, except that the tires on the Regal are still good, while the ones on the Park Ave are just about shot. And, they're different sizes...225/60/R16 on the Park Ave, while the Regal is 215/70/R15.
I wonder what a fair price for that '77 LTD would actually be? I'd think that $15K would be for one of the nicest examples in the world...but this one has bad rubber trim around the windows, seats look a bit worn/dirty, engine bay isn't pristine, and 91,000 isn't exactly a low-mileage honey. If I really, really wanted it, I might offer around $4K or so for it, but I just never was a fan of those. I liked the Mercury Marquis a lot better.
I wonder what a fair price for that '77 LTD would actually be? I'd think that $15K would be for one of the nicest examples in the world...but this one has bad rubber trim around the windows, seats look a bit worn/dirty, engine bay isn't pristine, and 91,000 isn't exactly a low-mileage honey. If I really, really wanted it, I might offer around $4K or so for it, but I just never was a fan of those. I liked the Mercury Marquis a lot better.
I'd say $5000---generous offer would be $7000 if it ran out great and trunk and underside were very clean. As it sits at the price displayed, he'll be buying it a birthday cake every year.
I never really liked Ford steering wheels of that era. this style with the droopy spokes, and the straight 2 spoke that I think was in the Torino and some Mustangs especially. The 3 spoke from some mustangs was OK.
Y'know, I had presumed they were different, simply because GM likes to do things like that, but, I just googled it, and the '03 Regal and '00 Park Avenue both came up as 5 on 115mm, which is roughly a 4.53" bolt pattern. However, I wonder if the hub openings are the same size?
It's almost tempting, except that the tires on the Regal are still good, while the ones on the Park Ave are just about shot. And, they're different sizes...225/60/R16 on the Park Ave, while the Regal is 215/70/R15.
FWIW, my Intrigue had 225/60R16 as standard, and was on the same chassis as the Regal.
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I am in Iowa right now. I have seen a few old cars, always sitting forlorn in a field or in a hoard. Everything here is rusty, even some cars from the mid-oughts. Culture shock from the west coast,
A bit more automated. Painting without masks, what could go wrong?
I don't know if anyone is keeping up with the Thames retro car reviews, about once a week or so they dig another out of their archives, usually from the bright glory days of the 70s. Here's the latest:
The Jaguar 3.4/3.8 saloons are perfectly constructed in a way to ensure that every bit of road salt and debris will be captured and stored in little rotting vaults throughout the chassis. Restoring one of these is challenging.
I appraised one of these a few years ago where the frame had rotted through, and was re-bolted together with a large, long U-shaped coupler, which was drilled and re-fastened to both loose ends of the frame. It was then epoxied (glued) just for extra measure.
Yikes.
I must confess, though, that I like those cars, warts and all. I believe there is a firm in Canada that restores and modernizes them internally---not sure of the specs, but I think you get a 4.2L engine and 5-speed transmission, along with 4-wheel discs, AC and a non-volcanic cooling system.
I wonder what a fair price for that '77 LTD would actually be? I'd think that $15K would be for one of the nicest examples in the world...but this one has bad rubber trim around the windows, seats look a bit worn/dirty, engine bay isn't pristine, and 91,000 isn't exactly a low-mileage honey. If I really, really wanted it, I might offer around $4K or so for it, but I just never was a fan of those. I liked the Mercury Marquis a lot better.
Agreed, the Marquis was a better looking car, but I do like the wheels on the Ford above. If you really wanted it I'd say $3,500.
I must confess, though, that I like those cars, warts and all. I believe there is a firm in Canada that restores and modernizes them internally---not sure of the specs, but I think you get a 4.2L engine and 5-speed transmission, along with 4-wheel discs, AC and a non-volcanic cooling system.
I like them too. The lines of the body are just lovely. And of course that Olde English private club room interior. A shame the rest of them are so, uh, challenging.
I thought the funniest part of the film was when the cylinder heads are being heated in an oven to allow installation of the valve seats. The worker, wearing gloves, removes them from the oven and sets them on a bench. Then he takes off the gloves and hammers in the seats, touching the head as he does so. Whaaaa?
At least the painters were wearing masks of some sort, unlike the M-B guys in Fin's film.
I wonder what a fair price for that '77 LTD would actually be? I'd think that $15K would be for one of the nicest examples in the world...but this one has bad rubber trim around the windows, seats look a bit worn/dirty, engine bay isn't pristine, and 91,000 isn't exactly a low-mileage honey. If I really, really wanted it, I might offer around $4K or so for it, but I just never was a fan of those. I liked the Mercury Marquis a lot better.
Agreed, the Marquis was a better looking car, but I do like the wheels on the Ford above. If you really wanted it I'd say $3,500.
My guess is that the seller would tell you where you could put your $3,500.
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With bathtub Nashes, I always wondered about turning radius.
I was always curious about that too, but I have a feeling it's not as much as you might think. Cars in those days had a lot of overhang to begin with, and according to Wikipedia, on a Nash Statesman, at least, the front track is pretty narrow, at around 55", compared to 60.5" in back.
If anything, I wonder how tipsy the cars would get in aggressive cornering, with a track that narrow?
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I don't suppose the Park Avenue wheels would bolt up to the Regal?
That's another thing I never understood, why manufacturers allow engineers to develop wheel bolt/hub patterns that differ from model to model.
I cannot say this is the situation all the time, but it often depends on the calculated forces involved. So, the total rotating mass, the weight of the vehicle, etc., can all affect the bolt pattern and size of bolts. As an example, Subaru universally used a 5x100 pattern starting in, IIRC, 1995. Then, they introduced a 5x114 pattern for the WRX STI in.... was it 2005? All others still used the 5x100. Come 2015, the Outback, which included up-sized wheels and tires from the prior generation, moved to a 5x114 pattern as well. The Ascent also uses this wheel size. So, now about half of their fleet is 5x114 and the other half is 5x100.
Other manufacturers take a lazy approach to re-badged vehicles and will often not convert them to match their other offerings, so you get weird sizes across the same make that way.
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Y'know, I had presumed they were different, simply because GM likes to do things like that, but, I just googled it, and the '03 Regal and '00 Park Avenue both came up as 5 on 115mm, which is roughly a 4.53" bolt pattern. However, I wonder if the hub openings are the same size?
It's almost tempting, except that the tires on the Regal are still good, while the ones on the Park Ave are just about shot. And, they're different sizes...225/60/R16 on the Park Ave, while the Regal is 215/70/R15.
Andre, if you're interested in swapping the wheels, then I wouldn't worry about the tires. The sizing on them as now is pretty close, TBH, and definitely would fit fine. And, cost of tires at this size is reasonably cheap (maybe $500, mounted, for a nice set)... it's the wheels that you're after, anyway. Tires are just a wear item.
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Saw a nice old car on the road today, a ~66 Polara 4 door HT, brown and light creme, either pristine original or cosmetic restoration, looked nice, younger couple driving somewhat slow on an in-city highway in Milwaukee. Also saw lots of rusty 90s era cars, a couple of squarebodies wearing heavy patina, a preserved late 80s Buick that must be garaged, a similarly nice LeBaron GTC that obviously isn't in the elements here.
I always liked the '65- 66 full-sized Dodges. They lack some of the glamour and slickness of GM's comparable offerings, and the wanna-be-an-upscale-car look of the Mercury, but they had a clean, rugged, no-nonsense look about them.
I had a '64 version that was very similar. The seller is taking a lot of heat for the seats, steering wheel and the replacement vinyl roof in a non-original style (originally it came with a good-looking halo design). I think he may lose his shirt if there is no reserve.
I had a '64 version that was very similar. The seller is taking a lot of heat for the seats, steering wheel and the replacement vinyl roof in a non-original style (originally it came with a good-looking halo design). I think he may lose his shirt if there is no reserve.
It just sold for $9,300. That steering wheel! Yikes!
Yeah, the bad choices he made that you could see made me wonder what other dumb things he did that you can't see.
Isn't that always the case, LOL. Whenever I see a car that someone couldn't be bothered to replace all the nameplates, or get emblems in the right places, I think, "Sheesh, I can spot that a block away--more so than I could spot a bad paint job. What can't I see that's screwed up?".
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Oh, last night, I had to run by and see my uncle on the way home from work, and got some pics of the two Buicks together. Kissin' cousins, I guess
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1957-chevrolet-bel-air-2-door-hardtop-19/
Unfortunately this one has gone in the direction of being burdened with just about every tacky faux-1950s accessory.
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this has to be one of a kind. Maybe Uplander wants another one?
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That's another thing I never understood, why manufacturers allow engineers to develop wheel bolt/hub patterns that differ from model to model.
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I’d bet they would fit.
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https://newhaven.craigslist.org/cto/d/1977-ford/6739893413.html
Ummm, okayyy.
https://newyork.craigslist.org/fct/cto/d/mercedes-e350/6739706658.html
Picture taken WHEN???
https://newlondon.craigslist.org/cto/d/1972-volvo-1800p-1-owner/6739665710.html
Looks nice, lot of work done.
https://newlondon.craigslist.org/cto/d/1996-volvo-850-wagon-with-53/6720427394.html
side windows don't get much taller than this.
https://newyork.craigslist.org/fct/cto/d/1987-cadillac-coup-deville/6731149068.html
It's almost tempting, except that the tires on the Regal are still good, while the ones on the Park Ave are just about shot. And, they're different sizes...225/60/R16 on the Park Ave, while the Regal is 215/70/R15.
Specification Sidewall Radius Diameter Circumference Revs/Mile Difference
225/60-16 5.3in 13.3in 26.6in 83.7in 757 0.0%
215/70-15 5.9in 13.4in 26.9in 84.4in 751 0.8%
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No Hulu dancer on the dash either
I think the Park Avenue was one of the better styled cars of its era.
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'06 Benz E350 Wagon --somebody might buy it for somewhere around that price but it's pretty risky. Depends on service records. Poor color.
'77 Ford Landau -- might be helpful if you lived near on oil refinery for re-fills.
This 2 spoke.
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I am in Iowa right now. I have seen a few old cars, always sitting forlorn in a field or in a hoard. Everything here is rusty, even some cars from the mid-oughts. Culture shock from the west coast,
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I thought it was appropriate that the film began with a scene of a Mark II entering a repair shop.
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A bit more automated. Painting without masks, what could go wrong?
I don't know if anyone is keeping up with the Thames retro car reviews, about once a week or so they dig another out of their archives, usually from the bright glory days of the 70s. Here's the latest:
I appraised one of these a few years ago where the frame had rotted through, and was re-bolted together with a large, long U-shaped coupler, which was drilled and re-fastened to both loose ends of the frame. It was then epoxied (glued) just for extra measure.
Yikes.
I must confess, though, that I like those cars, warts and all. I believe there is a firm in Canada that restores and modernizes them internally---not sure of the specs, but I think you get a 4.2L engine and 5-speed transmission, along with 4-wheel discs, AC and a non-volcanic cooling system.
I thought the funniest part of the film was when the cylinder heads are being heated in an oven to allow installation of the valve seats. The worker, wearing gloves, removes them from the oven and sets them on a bench. Then he takes off the gloves and hammers in the seats, touching the head as he does so. Whaaaa?
At least the painters were wearing masks of some sort, unlike the M-B guys in Fin's film.
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With bathtub Nashes, I always wondered about turning radius.
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If anything, I wonder how tipsy the cars would get in aggressive cornering, with a track that narrow?
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Other manufacturers take a lazy approach to re-badged vehicles and will often not convert them to match their other offerings, so you get weird sizes across the same make that way.
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1965-buick-skylark-2/
I had a '64 version that was very similar. The seller is taking a lot of heat for the seats, steering wheel and the replacement vinyl roof in a non-original style (originally it came with a good-looking halo design). I think he may lose his shirt if there is no reserve.
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Isn't that always the case, LOL. Whenever I see a car that someone couldn't be bothered to replace all the nameplates, or get emblems in the right places, I think, "Sheesh, I can spot that a block away--more so than I could spot a bad paint job. What can't I see that's screwed up?".