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BMW European Delivery



  • chaaaossschaaaosss Posts: 22
    Easily doable in this market. I just did it and some other guys have as well.
  • sigurrossigurros Posts: 6
    Thanks for the info on ED.

    I've been thinking about getting my own 330ci thru ED, and am wondering what the true out of the door final cost is.

    Based on this figure:
    $34,800 -- Total ED Invoice + $1,500 Dealer Profit.

    Do you add the state taxes on top of this, prior to the TTL, or do you add the TTL, and then add the tax on top? Thanks in advance!
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    Sorry about the delay getting back to you, I have been in airports and on airplanes for the last 28 hours. :-/

    Typically the term "TTL" means "Taxes, Title and License", and one does not affect the other. The Title and License fees are set by your state (and your dealership probably pads that a little, calling it a "Service", so that you will not have to stand in line at your local DMV). The state taxes apply to the negotiated price of the car, which if you are using the "ED Invoice + $1,500" model would be, (ED Invoice + $1,500 + Destination) * (State Tax Rate).

    Hope this helps.

    Best Regards,
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 64,709
    Tax calculations vary from state to state. Some allow credit for trade-ins, some don't. Just to use one example: Kentucky.. no credit for trade-ins, and 6% tax is calculated on 90% of the MSRP. Negotiated price makes no difference at all. Across the river in Ohio, credit for trade-ins, and tax figured on negotiated price.


    Prices Paid, Lease Questions, SUVs

  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    Agreed, there are also states that charge sales tax on the entire negotiated cost of the car when it is being financed via a lease (Illinois for instance), and states that charge sales tax on the difference between the negotiated price and the depreciated price (New Jersey). That said, the taxes are still calculated on the cost of the vehicle and are not compounded by Title, License, and other dealership charges.

    Best Regards,
  • sigurrossigurros Posts: 6
    Shipo - man, what part of the world are you in now after the 28 hours plane/train ride? =)

    This really helps me to come up with a more precise figure before trying out the Rizzo method (or the Shipo method =) ).
    You guys are awesome. Thanks for the help.
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    Taipei, Taiwan. :-/

    Best Regards,
  • jakumabajakumaba Posts: 9
    Does anyone have a hunch about the latest ED can be had for '03 models? Presumably, July when they cease production (and the factory goes to sleep in August)? My apologies if this has already been discussed - I only went back a few weeks in the discussion to see if it had been addressed.
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    My guess would be August or September. Munich usually trys to produce ED orders several weeks before the scheduled ED pickup.

    Best Regards,
  • bushsuxbushsux Posts: 1
    I arrived at my local dealer with the a wad of greasy $1 bills in my pocket, all eager to pay the deposit on ED of a 330ci. Imagine my mortification when I squeezed into the car for a test drive. No amount of power-seat adjustment could give proper driving position for my 6'3" frame. I emphasize the word "proper". Yes, I know you can drop the seat to the floor pan, and recline it too, but this yields a sub-ultimate driving machine experience. The car just has low headroom, and the sunroof doesn't help either. What a bummer.

    So, forget the coupe. The 4-door is fine, even with sunroof (I tried it). Hence, my question: does anyone know when the 6-sp in the 330i will be shipping for ED? There's no 2004 invoice for the 330i on eurobuyers yet...
  • magbarnmagbarn Posts: 35
    ALL 330i's produced starting 3/03 come with the 6sp standard. Also, the Performance package is also available. However, only the coupe/convertible are now 2004 models. The sedan is 2003 until this fall... Confusing, eh?
  • 1violinist1violinist Posts: 338
    Just a thought: How about a 5 series instead of 3? they have more room, more power and since they're gonna change next year you can get a great deal this summer.

    Good luck!
  • erlibanerliban Posts: 4
    Hi all, I'm considering an ED too and this thread's so helpful that almost all my questions are answered already. This may not be car related though: will I have trouble traveling/driving around Europe(more specifically, France and Italy, besides Germany) if I only speak English? (I speak Chinese too but that won't help :-) Thanks.
  • jb_shinjb_shin Posts: 357
    I have driven in Spain, Portugal, France, Switzerland, and Germany (where I live at the moment). In most places, gas stations, toll booth and stores, you will be hard pressed to find anyone who will be fluent in English. Larger dept. stores, or stores/restaurants in larger cities tend to be better. For the most part we did ok, and enjoyed our trips. My wife does speak a bit of French and German, but I just pretended not to be the "uncultured American".

    Have fun, take those pocket dictionaries if you are worried. Also, you will be surprised how many Chinese restaurants you will find in small towns in Europe. :-)
  • markjennmarkjenn Posts: 1,142
    My experience is that it is fairly easy to find someone who speaks enough English to "get by" in most major areas. When you're in the boondocks, you resort to a lot pointing and gesturing, but buying stuff like fuel, ordering food, or getting a room is straightforward stuff and it is usually obvious what needs to happen.

    What really helps is that everyone is used to not having a common language so it is not expected that you speak the native tongue like it is here in the states. So everyone is used to just muddling around, doing the best they can. The road signs, for example, are usually symbolic.

    It helps to have some flexibility, not be uptight, and study up a little beforehand - having a twenty word vocabulary and being able to handle simple numbers helps a lot. But all that is required is a good attitude about it and a desire to have fun.

    Europe (especially Germany, Switzerland, and Austria) is about the easiest place in the world to travel - they take good care of tourists and there is seldom any security concerns (other than petty theft which can be a problem in the major cities of France and Italy).

    - Mark
  • jb_shinjb_shin Posts: 357
    Speaking of petty thefts, it is not unheard of in Germany as well. My co-worker's wallet was picked and later was found in a thrash can at the Berlin Tegel airport. In France and Italy, stay AWAY from the Gypsies. They will just walk up to you and put their hands in your pocket, or push their baby up to you to hold and go through your pocket. I had the former happen to me in Rome.

    There are some places on the web where various German road signs are posted. It would be handy to check those out, as some things are just different from what we are used to in the US.
  • erlibanerliban Posts: 4
    I think I'll take one or two dictionaries with me :-)
  • enforcerenforcer Posts: 40
    Do ED prices drop in August (as is true for dealer vehicles)? What about January? Obviously I am referring to negotiated deals, not the list prices.

    I am planning a ski trip to Europe next February, so that would be the ideal time for me to take delivery.
  • markjennmarkjenn Posts: 1,142
    I'd be REALLY hesitant to take my brand new car up to ski areas on the Alps in Feb. Many of the passes are extremely challenging. Are you ready to put chains on your new car? I'll take a rental beater, thank you very much.

    - Mark
  • Hello:

    I was planning on buying a 325i with a few options and finally decided on 325 convertable(base) with heated front seats (that is the model I can afford). I am going to be in Europe for 45 days.

    1. How do I get insurance for the rest of the days?

    2. I heard that for california residents tax can be save if I keep the car in Eurpoe for 3 months.

    2.1 If there is Tax saving, can I just store the car with a friend and go back and pick it up (I got often and also have miles - so going back is not a problem). What are the insurance implications (do I need to get insurance for 3 months etc).

    Thank a lot. This forum was very useful in trying to figure out what I can afford and negotiate.

    -Life Laugh
  • 1violinist1violinist Posts: 338

    Please check out the following sites; they should answer some of your questions:

    Good luck!
  • seivwrigseivwrig Posts: 388
    You can keep a ED BMW in Europe for one year, after that time, you have to pay duty.

    If you keep the car in Europe for more than 3 months, you must pay the German Road Use Tax.

    BMW only pays your insurance for one month. You can only insure your vehicle for six months.

    As far as California, I don't know their laws.
  • magar65magar65 Posts: 28
    Has anyone actually used this service? If so what were the results? Is the ED invoice price negotiable? Not sure if this has been covered, but I've spent some time scanning with no results! Thanks in advance!
  • loubctloubct Posts: 39
    Short answer is that the ED Invoice price is negotiable. Many dealers do not budge off that figure however. I was able to find one a couple hours from home that did. Easiest car purchase I have ever made.
  • I went through this process lately (my pick-up date is May 9). I sent emails to a number of dealers and got offers from $1200 (and up) over invoice. This was on a brand new 2004 model year 330Ci which is bound to go straight list at the dealers for a while. I went with a very convenient dealer at $1600 over invoice. Between the ED discount and then the discount off ED price, I figure my savings at over $3500.
  • Hello:

    I just found out that if we keep the car for more than 3 months in Europe.We don't have to pay CA Tax.

    Does anyone know when the 04 sedans will be out?

  • seivwrigseivwrig Posts: 388
    You might want to consider if the tax is more than the cost of insurance for three months. Your car would have to be a purchase and no a lease. Even though the sales tax is more than the insurance, it would mean that you would have to make a possible two trips to Europe. One to pick up the car and maybe another trip to drop the car off att E.H.Harms. Even though you can probably have someone else to drop off the car.
    How much money are you trying to save? If you get the BMWCCA membership a year before you get the automobile, you can save some. Find that dealer that will give you $1000 above invoice.

    Anyway, to answer your question. The 04 sedans will probably be out in September-October time frame.
  • motenor1motenor1 Posts: 35
    what type of savings can you get for being a member of BMWCCA? I am planning to get an '04 next year. Also, does anyone know the enhancements for 04 model sedans 325i?
  • blueox2blueox2 Posts: 19
    A while back I read a very detailed and eloquent (1000-2000 words) description of one BMW's owner's ED experience. I was sure it had to be on this board but now I can't seem to find it. Can anyone help me? Thanks.
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