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  • nohash1nohash1 Member Posts: 21
    I am looking for a 330xi and am wondering about some pricing and what i can get in the texas area and midwest. I am in texas currently, but am moving to chicago, so i could go both ways. Any help would be appreciated
  • hgeyerhgeyer Member Posts: 188
    Chicago dealers are horrible on pricing, but I understand that certain area Texans aren't any better. All things equal, you may want to think about the tax consequences of the deal.

    The sales tax on cars up here is 7-8.75% and if you lease, you really get killed (IL is one of the few states that taxes the price of the car AND gives you no credit for the residual; if you live in Chicago, plan on an additional 6% sales tax on your lease payment). For that reason alone, you may be better buying down south and keeping your Texas plates.
  • dusterbusterdusterbuster Member Posts: 23
    i was originally thinking of doing ED on a 330i, and still see it as a possibility, but i'm too much of the worrying type to feel comfortable with the car on the roads there. even worse, i'd be going out of my mind worrying about the safe transit of the vehicle overseas to California. my car got dinged up just moving from chicago to california, and that was inside a moving truck. i'd hate to invest the time and mental energy (from all that worrying) to get a brand new car that was damaged during the first couple of months, before even arriving here. but maybe all this worrying is unwarranted.

    have people had problems in the past with damage to the cars on the way over here? i know bmw is supposed to fix things up, but i'm wondering what people's experiences have been in the past.
  • seivwrigseivwrig Member Posts: 388
    Regardless if you pick it up in Europe or wait for it in the U.S. It will come on the same boat, the same way. As far as dings, I got my first chip in the paint within the first two hours of picking up my car. I had picked my car up in Munich heading towards Mannheim. Out of nowhere came a rock. It is amazing that at 90 mph, that rock appear to be traveling in slow motion as it skips across my hood. It was a very humbling experience. I don't care how much you pay for any car, it will get scratches. My wife caused one by closing the door with the seatbeat uncoiled (We have a scrape in every car because she does not recoil seatbeats). Stuff happens!!!
  • gohuskiesgohuskies Member Posts: 40
    To simplify driving in Europe purchase Navigation and get the CDs from the delivery center in Munchen. They will loan the CDs if you return them when done.
    My 330 CIC arrived in excellent condition but be sure to transport the first aid kit, front license plate, emergency triangle and glove box chargable light to ensure they arrive in the USA.
  • tomwannabmwtomwannabmw Member Posts: 20
    First off, great moniker. I don't have any advice on the subject of potential damage to your Bimmer on the boat to the USofA. But they all have to get over here from Germany (or South Africa) whether they were purchased by ED or not. I think ED is a great deal, and I plan to do it sooner or later. I might pull the trigger on an '04 coupe this summer. If I do I will stay the h*ll away from all they big cities, especially Paris. Probably will head south through the countryside and drop it off in Nice. Heads will roll if there is a scratch on it when it gets to California!!!! I think you oughta go for it!!!
  • ipatty13ipatty13 Member Posts: 47
    IMHO, attempting to drive into big cities (like Paris) is nuts, since these towns existed before cars were built and the roadways are (understandibly) unaccomidating to a lot of traffic.

    But, the countryside and Autobahns aren't that much different than U.S. roads, save for the faster speeds.

    My recommendation is to take the country roads when possible, and to stay off the autobahn during break-in. This is because during break-in: (i) you should not keep the revs at the same speed, (ii) and you cannot go above 100 MPH in the 330. Plus, it is much more scenic off the autobahns. Having a nav is super useful, since you can program it to avoid major highways.

    I went straight to the autobahn after taking delivery and was cursing all the cars blowing by me because I was limited to 100 mph :(

    Above all, I wouldn't let any fears of driving in Europe dissuade one to go ED. Roads are roads...it's only unfamiliarity that is the difference. And GET THE NAV....you'll NEVER regret it.
  • chaaaossschaaaosss Member Posts: 22
    Does anyone know a dealer in the San Francisco Bay Area that's willing to deal on ED?
  • dusterbusterdusterbuster Member Posts: 23
    here i was, convinced that i would just purchase the car from the dealer, and now you guys are having me rethink whether to do ED. i figure i can probably save a few $K's doing ED, but then i'd have to pay for a plane ticket over there with the wife (i wouldn't dare tell her i was going alone to save money). ;) after travel costs, etc., and the wait time, i'm still not sure if it will be worth it (taking into account my paranoid tendencies).

    you guys make a good point about how the car has to come here somehow on the boat. but are the ED cars shipped in the same fashion as the cars that are shipped directly to dealerships? i would think that the ED cars would have to go through additional processing. plus, the fact that a ED car takes much longer to get to the US versus a car headed straight for the dealership makes me think there is some difference in the process.

    still, it's very tempting... hmm...
  • dusterbusterdusterbuster Member Posts: 23
    i too would like to know of any recommended dealerships in the bay area for ED. i heard from one dealer in the east bay that they need to hold at $2000 over invoice.
  • markjennmarkjenn Member Posts: 1,142
    You can run the numbers a variety of ways, but ED seldom makes sense from a strictly economic standpoint.

    Even assuming you can negotiate an "above invoice" deal on ED (which is harder than on US deliveries as most BMW dealers are MSRP only on ED), you still have to cover all your travel expenses and pay for the car (or start making loan/lease payments) 30+ days befory delivery. And you will continue to make payments throughout the period the car is shipped back to you, another couple months. At $500/month, that is $1500-$2000 right there. Furthermore, most dealers will want your trade-in before you leave, perhaps at the 30-day point, so you potentially have to find another car for a several month period.

    ED is a great deal provided you take some value in Euro visit part of the deal and if you have another car you can use during shipping period, can use freq flyer miles, etc., or have other things you can do to mitigate expenses. But if you're strictly making an apples-to-apples comparison of doing ED vs. going in to the dealer and trading for a new car you can take home today, then it doesn't pan out.

    - Mark
  • ultrarunnerultrarunner Member Posts: 64
    I bought my ED through Anatoly at East Bay BMW. I has done ED himself and I was able to do just about everything by e-mail. He was willing to consider a firm offer as long as you knew what you wanted.
  • ipatty13ipatty13 Member Posts: 47
    Here is why I think ED is almost always better economically speaking for someone who doesn't mind flying, can live without a car for 3 months (if trading in) and wants a custom-ordered car:

    First, I can practically guarantee that anyone who shops around (and, in some case, is willing to travel a couple of extra hours to a particular dealership) can swing 1,200-1,500 over ED invoice. The difference in standard US delivery and ED invoice prices for a 2003 330i is $2,360.
    (all options should be invoice, so that factor becomes a wash)

    Second, you pay no MACO fees (dealer advertising fees) for ED, which can an additional 300-500 savings.

    Third, every car you purchase via ED is a custom order. A dealer is more willing to cut a deal for an on-the-lot car, as opposed to a custom order.

    So, even assuming you can negotiate the same "over invoice" price on a custom order (I think this would be difficult), you're still in the hole $2,360 plus MACO fees (many dealers try to add MACO above and beyond the invoice price).

    People have done the one or two day fly-in/fly-out. If a ticket, hotel and food cost $1,000, you've still saved $1,360.

    True, you must begin your payment one-month in advance and wait six-eight weeks for Stateside delivery, but if you plan to keep the car until the end of the financing term, it's like finishing payments one month early (financing through BMWUSA often allows for deferral of first month's payment).

    So, is the 6-8 week wait worth $1,360?

    and don't forget the 10,000 or so FF miles for the trans-Atlantic flight ;-)
  • loubctloubct Member Posts: 39
    ipatty13 I couldn't have said it any better. I am scheduled to pick up my 2004 330CIC in Munich on May 9th. You are absolutely correct that ED cars are special orders to the consumers taste. On my car alone I estimate the savings to be around $4-5K. My flight and hotel expenses for the two nights in Munich are $540(total). This process allows you to order a car specific to your needs and experience Europe. My deal was app. $1300-1500 over ED Invoice. Many if not all BMW dealers won't budge from ED MSRP when negotiating. Do your research and you will find dealers that can make this a wothwhile process. The ED process allowed me to purchase a CIC vs a sedan. The money I saved allowed me to purchase a car in Europe that I could not justify in the states. That combined with the 3-5 month wait for the car allows us the time to share our experiences on this forum.
  • cmhammockcmhammock Member Posts: 4
    I just ordered my '04 330Ci for ED (4/25 pickup) today! It certainly made $$ sense in my case. I wanted a rather unusual option combination which would have required a special order, so unlikely to get very much off MSRP. Between the ED price and >1600 discount off ED MSRP, I figure I saved at least $3500 over best possible US deal. If I can't get a good airfare (<$500) I'll use frequent flyer miles to go 'free'. I also have 2 free night certificates for Marriott, so that takes care of Munich... I may or may not be able to combine some business need travel while over there...
  • specialk2980specialk2980 Member Posts: 8
    I am really confused about ED prices, Ive been to Eurobuyer.com and they list the ED price, but is that the MSRP ED price or is that the base/invoice ED price? I am looking for the Base/Invoice price for a 325i sedan, any help? Is there a website with this info. On eurobuyer.com it lists the 325i ED price somewhere around $25,855, but then i just saw a post in this forum where someone said it was around $23,530. If anyone came help me out I would appreciate it.
  • specialk2980specialk2980 Member Posts: 8
    I just went to that website, and that's where I got the price 25,855. Is there a list of invoice prices?
  • chaaaossschaaaosss Member Posts: 22
    Here are the official BMW price lists (ED Invoice, ED MSRP, US Invoice, US MSRP). If the one you're looking for isn't listed here, just go directly to EuroBuyers.com.

    2003 BMW 325 Pricing

    2003 BMW 330 Pricing

    2004 BMW 3 Series Coupes and Convertibles Pricing
  • markjennmarkjenn Member Posts: 1,142
    These sites list retail prices on one page and wholesale prices (invoice) on another. In both cases, there is a line for ED. (Note: the ED discount appplies only to the base car - all invoice prices for accessories are the same, whether you do ED or not.) Read them carefully and I think you'll find the information there.

    - Mark
  • specialk2980specialk2980 Member Posts: 8
    I am really sorry, I totally didnt see that there were 2 Pages to that PDF file, each time I would only see the first page (MSRP Prices) and that's where all the confusion came in. Sorry about that. :)
  • markjennmarkjenn Member Posts: 1,142
    I did the same thing when I first accessed these PDF pages.

    If you are out bargaining ED, please let us know what kind of offers you get. $1K-$1.5K over ED invoice seems doable, but most have to hunt around a bit to find a dealer willing.

    - Mark
  • specialk2980specialk2980 Member Posts: 8
    I know this is the Euro Delivery thread, but I was wondering if anyone had experience buying a bmw from Canada? I was just on www.bmw.ca, and I priced out a car with the options I am looking for and the MSRP was about 3000 less then US MSRP. Does anyone have any experience with buying a car in Canada and driving it to the US? (is that even possible?) Thanks
  • hgeyerhgeyer Member Posts: 188
    I can't speak for specifically for BMW, but the big 3's franchise agreement with Canadian dealers prohibit them from selling to US customers to protect the US dealers. This is enforced through (i) severe penalties against non-complying dealers; and (ii) the fact that US dealers will not perform warranty work on a "bacon" car (this is what they're refered to in the industry, I'm not trying to be derogatory).

    A US dealer can order a car from a Canadian dealer, but that's unlikely to happen.
  • markjennmarkjenn Member Posts: 1,142
    There is considerable "gray market" activity in the Seattle area with Canadian cars, mostly high-demand, low-supply models like Odysseys, PT Cruisers, etc. As I understand it, they buy the car from Canadian dealers, handle the paperwork to show that it meets crash and emission standards, then sell the car without US warranty, but with a third-party warranty.

    I have never seen a BMW come in this way which may be just because there isn't enough demand or the economics aren't as favorable. Or perhaps BMW doesn't supply the appropriate paperwork to show the car meets US standards.

    I know a person who bought an Odyssey this way and the discount seemed VERY modest to me - $1500 - for a car with 500 miles, no US warranty, a speedo with kmh as the primary display, and other oddities. I would bet resale value would be poor as well.

    If you decide to pursue this, be sure you understand all the ins/outs - find someone how has done exactly what you want to do with both the dealer you're buying and the state registration folks. There is definitey some significant paperwork, hassles with customs, and some tricks to be sure you don't pay extra taxes. And you have to navigate the local DMV which will vary from state to state.

    I doubt it is worth it.

    - Mark
  • hgeyerhgeyer Member Posts: 188
    One last problem with using the grey market. You have to finance the car as used, since title is transfering from the broker. This usually means higher used-car rates and you won't be eligible for manufacturer new-car programs.
  • ipatty13ipatty13 Member Posts: 47
    This thread was falling too low for my liking, so I'm just writing to bring it back to the top ;-)

    Surely someone has something to ask or say?

    As for me, I dropped off my bimmer at E.H. Harms (Munich) on Feb. 7, and must endure that long, painful wait...
  • dusterbusterdusterbuster Member Posts: 23
    i'm currently planning to place a ED order for pick up in june. any tips/suggestions to keep in mind when planning the trip over there? i'm currently just planning to pick it up and drop it off on the same day, although there's a chance we may use the car to travel around a bit and drop it off at another dropoff location. just a bit worried about driving/parking around europe, as i've heard of very small/narrow streets and parking spots. any thoughts would be appreciated. thanks!
  • markjennmarkjenn Member Posts: 1,142
    Driving in Europe is a blast if you stay out of the very crowded big cities. Drivers are courteous, professional, and everybody drives very briskly. You do want to get a little brushup on signage, but it would be a shame not to enjoy your car. June would be a perfect time to take a swing down through the Alps for a couple days.

    - Mark
  • loubctloubct Member Posts: 39
    I will be picking up my car on May 9th. Original plan were to enjoy 8 day trek in southern Germany. Plans have changed and I will pick up car and drop off on my day of arrival. I will be spending a couple of days in Munich before departing. I agree that as long as you avoid majority of driving in big cities, German roads were amde for Bmw's.
  • seivwrigseivwrig Member Posts: 388
    I had my car in Europe for two weeks and clocked over 2200 miles. I had no problems parking. I wish I had taken a photo of my car in a parking garage in Trier,Germany. The parking spaces were narrow and my car did not get one nick. I think that Europeans like their cars. I did not see many cars with nicks. During the 10 days in England and Wales, my car was parked on the street and never got hit. The only large cities, outside of Munich, that I drove in were Antwerp and Brussels. Enjoy the car, enjoy the continent.
  • matt333matt333 Member Posts: 20
    ...on Feb 27th Munich time. I leave in less than a week!! (on 2/26 morning).

    specs are : 330ci manual, alpine white/sand 'ette/Sport pkg/Bi-xenons/myrtle wood.

    will be in europe for a week and a half. woohoo!
  • dusterbusterdusterbuster Member Posts: 23
    i'd love to hear about your ED trip when you get back. i'm currently trying to plan out my trip which won't be until june. :( unfortunately, as it stands now, i'll probably be picking-up/dropping-off on the same day, but hope to somehow arrange it so i can drive the car for at least a few days before dropping it off.
  • matt333matt333 Member Posts: 20
    2/27(thur) 8AM arrive in munich, go pick up car right away. see munich, stay in munich marriott. (hotel reserved)

    2/28 (fri) go see neuschwanstein, return for bmw factory tour, see little more munich, start driving to vienna. sleep in salzburg or somewhere along the way?

    3/1 (sat) arrive in vienna, see vienna, stay in vienna (hotel reserved)

    3/2 (sun) Drive all day to Jungfrau area, sleep in jungfrau area

    3/3 (mon) See Jungfrau area, start driving to paris in the afternoon, sleep somewhere along the way to paris

    3/4 (tue) arrive in paris, see paris, stay in a local hotel in paris (reserved)

    3/5 paris (reserved)

    3/6 paris, start driving to munich in late afternoon, sleep along the way

    3/7 arrive in munich, see munich, drop car off. sleep in renaissance marriott (reserved)

    3/8 come home.

    is it trying to do much in that time? :)
  • sddennehysddennehy Member Posts: 13
    Looks like things are on schedule for a May 7th ED pickup. Titanium Silver, Nav, manual, sport, premium, xenons, cold weather.
  • loubctloubct Member Posts: 39
    I just received my production number. I am picking up a 2004 330 CIC Titanium Silver, black top, SP,PP,Xenon,heated seats,hardtop.
  • 330iii330iii Member Posts: 71
    I believe in using a fine tooth comb when inspecting my new vehicle.Does anyone have any horror stories such as bubbles or dust in the paint,underbody paint scratches etc.I would hate to travel to Munich and see imperfections in a car that is basically paid in full.Locally I could refuse delivery of the auto and get my deposit back.What recourse would i have in Germany on a euro delivery pick up?
  • seivwrigseivwrig Member Posts: 388
    Personally, I have never heard any horror stories at the ED center in Munich. You might want to post on Bimmer.org or Bimmerfest.com. I don't think the Germans would hand you a flawed product. By all means, you should inspect your vehicle at the ED center and on your US delivery.
  • gohuskiesgohuskies Member Posts: 40
    Talked to several prospective owners at the delivery center when we were waiting for our 330 CIC and all were happy with the ED program. Check www.Bimmerfest.com European Delivery subhead for many stories and images to substantiate the super ED experience. Hope this has not changed with the Iraq situation.
  • tomwannabmwtomwannabmw Member Posts: 20
    Woohoo!!! Just got my pickup date of May 9th (maybe I'll meet loubct there) for my 330Ci silvergray, gray leather, sports package and moonroof. I was gonna go with black leatherette but at the last possible second broke down and got the hides! I think my rump will thank me when it is 110 in Phoenix this summer!

    Is there a website with the hours of operation for the EH Harms GmbH and Co. in Munich?? If not does anybody reading this know their hours? I guess I should call them, but would appreciate the info if anybody knows.

    This was a difficult time to make my first BMW buying decision. So many choices!! 2003 sedan with performance package (zoom!) or the 2004 coupe redesign??? I had originally ordered a sedan with ZHP, but the dealer was nice enough to let me change my mind and get the coupe!
  • ipatty13ipatty13 Member Posts: 47
    tomwannabmw,

    you ordered a great bmw! Are you wondering about pick-up or drop-off times? EH Harms is the drop-off place. In Munich you can drop off the car as late as 4 pm M-Fri. Closed weekends, but I understand that for a fee, you could arrange for an after-hours or weekend drop off.

    You pick up the car the ED center, which is some miles away from EH Harms. I cannot recall exactly, but I think you can arrive as early as 7:30 a.m. and take delivery as late as 3:30-4:00 p.m. Plan at least 1 hour for delivery. The delivery specialists are super people. Our rep., Bernhard, was so nice, we just sat and talked with him for a while.

    have fun!
  • loubctloubct Member Posts: 39
    tomwannabmw,

    I will be arriving in Munich at 10:00 am. Expect to be at the Delivery Center by 11:30. Unfortunately I need to drop off car the same day. If I have enough time , I hope to stop by the BMW dealer in town before the drop off.
  • tomwannabmwtomwannabmw Member Posts: 20
    I arrive in Munich at 9AM on Friday the ninth, and leave Monday the 12th at 11AM. I would like to drive the car over the weekend and drop it off first thing Monday morning. But I wonder if there will be enough time for me to drop off the car and still make my 11AM flight. If they open at 7:30AM, in theory at least, I could be at the airport by 9 or 9:30 depending on how long the process takes.

    Ipatty13 I appreciate the positive feedback, I was a little nervous about ordering the silvergray without having seen it. I was asking specifically about drop off times. I would like to drive the car over the weekend of May 10-11, but wonder if I am cutting it to closely Monday morning. The weekend dropoff for a fee might be the way to go.
  • tomwannabmwtomwannabmw Member Posts: 20
    Is your trip to the BMW dealer in Munich just to see their cars, or are you buying some goodies there?
  • loubctloubct Member Posts: 39
    Considering the convertible alarm. Not sure at this time if it is any cheaper in Germany. Has anyone had an alrm installed at the dealership.
  • hgeyerhgeyer Member Posts: 188
    I made my 10:30AM flight with an hour to spare. When you arrive at Harms, ask them to call a cab to pick you up. It will be there by the time you're done with the paper work (approx. 30 minutes) and you'll be at the airport in 30-40 minutes.

    While I'm thinking of this, call Harms on Friday and tell them that you'll be dropping off on Monday with a time crunch. For me, the pre-prepared most of the paperwork.

    Good luck.

    If you're looking for a good day-trip, drive the Autobahn (A-95) down to Garmish and back.
  • tomwannabmwtomwannabmw Member Posts: 20
    Good info.
  • gohuskiesgohuskies Member Posts: 40
    I delt with Pawel Byglewski at Harms Munchen, last June. His email address was: PByglewski@mail.ehharms.de
    Also had a European alarm system, with sensors, installed in my 330 CIC by the BMW factory team,it was operative when I picked up the vehicle at the delivery center.
  • vegastmvegastm Member Posts: 2
    I will be doing ED on March 28 and would like to get any information on a munich parts dealership so I can order a few parts to pick up when I'm there.Also if anyone has a price list from a particular dealership, I look forward to hearing from you.
  • ipatty13ipatty13 Member Posts: 47
    posted from bimmerfest.com

    Prices include VAT and are from a NON-Niederlassung dealership that is located in Munich: "Automag Buchner + Linse"

    Landsberger Straße 143, 80339, München
    direct: +49 89 5102-217
    fax: +49 89 5102-277
    email for Rep. Johannes Neumüller: hannes.neumueller@automag-gr.bmw-net.de

    FYI, "Niederlassung" is German for "branch" (as in a branch of BMW AG). My ED dealer suggested contacting a non-NL dealer, because such independent dealers are rumored to be able to negotiate the price of parts/mods, unlike a NL. I have not tried to negotiate thus far, I've only faxed an inquiry:

    clear lens, titanium trim: 63130141572 - 91&#128;
    clear lens, titanium trim: 63130152433 - 60 &#128;

    (one of the above is the turn signal/side kit; the other is the headlight lens. I cannot remember which is which)

    CD changer : 82110026418 (or another BMW CD Changer that will work with US models) PRICE QUOTED IS FOR '0028760 - &#128;490

    umbrella w/case: 82 27 9 405 747 - 75&#128; (d@mn, that better keep you super dry for 75 smackers!)

    e46cic Euro Alarm Kit: 65600021150 - 330&#128;
    Trim Piece - Black: 51167024827 - 11.37&#128;

    Trim Piece - Beige: 51167024828 - 11.37&#128;

    Wood Steering Wheel Trim/Cover: 32301097222 - 168.20&#128;

    Bluetooth Retrofit Kit for U.S. model e46: 84 64 0 152 501 - 461&#128;

    Further Caveats by this dealer: parts generally not in stock and require about 3 days notice (w/advance payment). For installation, appointment is necessary.
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