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I (as I'm sure are many others) am in search of a locking gas cap WITH tether to replace my factory gas cap. Anyone have any ideas or locations that I might seek out such an item? Thanx for your patience, group.
~TheOracle
Oh well.......
How much did you pay for it? How do you like your new car, was there anything you shopped it against? Thanks.
Loren
When people actually look,maybe they won't laugh. A year ago I never thought I'd even look at a Hyundai, but I now own one...and I'll match it car-for-car against my friend's G-6, BEFORE considering price.
This is certainly a lot better than the '05 GT I drove last year. The manual is a definite must, as without it the GTP gets worse EPA hwy ratings than my 300C did. Ouch, GM. It's also more engaging to drive than the GTP auto, and quite rare in this day and age to have a manual V6 sedan, especially an American one.
The 300C was a great car, it was just more than I needed at this point in my life (I'm in my early 20s). So, I'm trying to be a bit more sensible this time around.
Complaints? I'd like GM to at least offer a Change Holder. For cryin' out loud, A CHANGE HOLDER. How did that get overlooked? Also, why no compass? Seems like stuff a nearly $30K car would have. Maybe the 300C spoiled me.
Worried about a lack of change holder? You make also find that the car
is no longer RWD, and you dropped 100 HP. Yes, a good stick shift is fun.
Of course the GTP will never be the dynamic or visceral equal of the 300C. I had to change cars for financial and space constraints. I can always buy another 300C, just not in Deep Lava Red, apparently.
It'll be missed, but I have two classic American cars to satisfy my RWD V8 needs.
One question, did the 300C ever have a problem of pulling to the right on the highway?
The width of the 300C was more the problem than the length, in terms of parking. It always stuck out an extra half-foot compared to other cars on the street.
And yes, it had the right-pull. It took three tries, but it was corrected early in my ownership experience.
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No, no I don't, how many?
Yes, GM will likely be around, after they claim bankruptcy in a year or two,
then reorganize, less legacy employee expenses. Things could get interesting
in a year or two.
Still waiting to see if GM is really making a G6 Coupe, or a 4 cylinder model.
GM product roll out is painfully slow. The sedan is OK. Pricing started out
pretty high, but I understand they are trimming suggested retails a bit these days.
Next step needs to be a warranty of greater length. So many Americans have
owned GM vehicles which were troublesome cars, they really should give more
reassurance that the customer is not making yet another mistake in their life.
With all the new surveys showing better reliability, it should not cost GM more
money to extend warranties, since they no longer have all the problems of the
1970's,80's and 90's in vehicle build and reliability.
Loren
Also, does anyone buy this car for other than the price or love of GM? I have one, just got it last week, as a company car. For free it is great. But for owning? Does'nt anybody care about resale? Do you G6 owners think about 2-3 or 4 years down the road and wanting something new, and not getting $1500 for the car on trade in? I always wondered, when you can get a Lexus or Honda or Toyota and yes, have a little less power and maybe not the cutting edge design, but better reliability, better fit and finish and oh, yeah, MONEY when I trade it in?
60% of 27,000 = 16,200 depreciated.
16,200
---------- = 84.38% so the depreciated amount is 1 - 84.38% or 15.62%
19,200
I wonder if the camry gets 15.62% depreciation after 3 years?
You see, its how you look at it. Since GM cars sell for SO MUCH LESS, they wind up bieng worth so much more or at least even out at the trade in. What foreign car gives you so much power, style and comfort for so little?
Also, this stigma that American cars suck is so wonderful for those of us willing to be open minded, b/c in the last 2 to 3 years various American cars and companies matched beat out there asian comptetitiors and european cars, on average are horrible for reliability. If any differences remain on either side its like 5 problems per 100 cars, which is rediculous. In the last decade our companies have really made huge strides in quality and they have lagely broken many barriers.
Before most people really catch on, now is really the time when those who are willing to look, can run away with the farm on many of these cars.
P.S.- You want to know how so many carmakers rely GM. Hopefully you are up on today's technology. Satelite radio is readily available on anything from Cobalt to Audi. Delphi, the electronics maker that supplies the receivers that poke out on the roof of these cars. You want to know who owns 66% of Delphi. GM A lot of the high end cars, especially German vehicles, also use Delphi or Bosch( in which GM owns 31% of) in their suspension wizardry ( Everybody always wonder what makes a BMW drive like a BMW) This is just the tip of the iceberg of what I can tell you.
Glad to here other dealerships got some cars. None here on the Central Coast of California in a coupe or 4 cyl. car.
No, most cars come with a 4 year or longer warranty.
The Buick LaCrosse looks pretty nice. Good buy in a couple years.
Hate those foot emergency brakes though. Do like the front, sort of Jag look.
Never owned a Japan make of car which had more than a rare hiccup.
Don't need a satellite radio.
Sounds like too good a deal. And it looks like GM and Ford are better quality cars
now since 2001. Sure took a long time for that to happen.
Loren
Also, I hope that you will appreciate satellite radio more because it is going to be standard in just about everything in the next 3-5 years. Remember when CD players were optional? Look what happened in the last 3-5 years. The're standard in everything from an Chevy Aveo to a Rolls-Royce Phantom.
I was thinking more along the lines of warranties for drive train. GM needs to extend those.
If the G6 Coupes rear looks like a Solara, forget that one. Toyota is getting back into the Godzilla styling. The early to mid ninety years were better. Same with Honda Civic. Saw one from a distance today, and the cab forward design doesn't work all that well with a smaller car, I guess. Stubby front hood.
I have owned a Datsun and a Toyota, and my Dad two Toyotas, with no real problems. My friend has owned many Toyotas and a Honda, with no problems. Just look at Consumer Reports survey section, and the mostly solid red dots indicating no problems. This is going back years and years up to the present.
Now, do I need an iPod? One problem I have found with radios is that most stations no longer play any music. They seem to have people mumbling something, with some older music snips in the background. Most sound angry about something, but the more you listen, the less you can decipher as to what is being said. It doesn't matter anyway, as it is too irritating to listen to. Isn't anyone happy and relaxed anymore? Kinda get the feeling there are few new artists getting out on the waves due to the control of the big two, or is it three stations. Look at how many new artists came out in the 1960's.
Bring on some new singers, new songs, new rock and new popular recordings. Oh yeah, some NEW cars too. No Solstice yet.... but it is coming soon, they say ! Should be eye candy.
Loren
Since this is the G6 section it comes standard with CD as does Pontiacs cheapest Vibe. In fact cassette is not even available in a vibe anymore. Technology of the past I guess. I have hundreds I recorded back in college.
The PT has a cassette player, but no 8 track :shades: The car has that 1930's look to it, so I guess any radio is appropriate.
I bet the G6 stereo is an good radio. Never had a problem with GM radios. GM gas mileage is good too. Sorry to say, that is about as far as the GM love affair though with cars past 1972. But I may consider those made after 2000 or 2001. Pretty much turned a corner there. The Corvettes in 2003 and 2004 were reliable. Looks like GM
is getting the act in order. After 100 years, it is time. Too bad the oldest name plate, the Oldsmobile is not around to see better years for reliability. Oh well, a 72' Cutlass would be a good crusier to drive to car shows and all about. That is if someone else is paying for the gas
Loren
Next question is why do you want to put different wheels on it for the winter? Why not just some snow tires? The Chrometek wheels you have will not rust or anything and will look like new forever unless you bang them up.
Maybe I am misreading this, I always thought the "golden standard" was 3yrs./36,000 miles???? I know Mazda has 4 yrs./50,000 miles bumber to bumper and one of the new Buicks, but doesn't Ford, Chrysler and GM all have the 3yr./36,000 mile bumper to bumper??? What does Toyota, Nissan and Honda have for bumper to bumper??
golden must be referring to the extended warranty you can buy.
Read this http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=105662
Oh well, warranties aren't the end all to life with a car. I bought a new PT
because it was inexpensive and a lot a car for the money. I like the 2005
better than the 2006 anyway, so the better warranty is but a bonus - yea!
My Corolla I sold had a 50K miles warranty on the drivetrain. I still think that
GM should extend the warranty period for the drivetrain. After all, they are
now bulletproof in what I am reading here from GM proponents.
Loren
P.S.- I agree with you on the 2005 vs. 2006. My wifes co-worker bought a 2006 PT turbo and the lights on the front don't look quite as good as the '05. I guess DC did this to differentiate the PT from it's twin that it never knew it had: the copycat Chevy HHR.
Most carmakers domestic and foreign issue either a 3/36000 mile or 4/50000 mile bumper-to-bumper warranty and between 3/36000 mile and 5/60000 mile drivetrain warranty. As you said, when you throw in the likes of Hyundai/Kia, Suzuki, Isuzu, and now Mitsubishi with their 10/100000 mile powertrain warranties, it's entirely different ball game.
As for Mitsubishi, I would say the dealerships fading away will mark the end of sales in USA, but that is only IMHO. The Galant and Eclipse look interesting, but don't appear to be selling around my area.
Loren
Also, does anyone buy this car for other than the price or love of GM? I have one, just got it last week, as a company car. For free it is great. But for owning? Does'nt anybody care about resale? Do you G6 owners think about 2-3 or 4 years down the road and wanting something new, and not getting $1500 for the car on trade in? I always wondered, when you can get a Lexus or Honda or Toyota and yes, have a little less power and maybe not the cutting edge design, but better reliability, better fit and finish and oh, yeah, MONEY when I trade it in?"
I didn't lose any money. They gave me $28,000 on a 1.5 year old car with 16,200 miles. I owed $17,500. So, I was in the black by $10,500. The car was about $31,000 new with incentives and dealing, but not with the trade in. With the trade in the car was $25,500. And the trade in was a gift, so that didn't cost me a dime. In the end, they gave me more than I spent on the car. So the G6 cost me about $14,500 when all was said and done.
And I bought the G6 GTP not just because of price or a fondness for GM, but because it's safe, fuel-efficient, has OnStar and XM, has strong acceleration (3.9L/6-spd) and because it's not another Camry/Accord/Altima. Believe it or not, GM cars can stand on their own merits.
For Intial quality they are they are above average and even better than Honda but below Buick and Cadillac.
For 3 year long term they are below average but not too far below. Well below Honda and Toyota and all GM products.
The intial quality does mode very well for Hyundai. They are really looking up.
GM should have a longer warranty. Like Hyundai many people do not trust reliability. It doesn't matter what today, or last years data shows, as people have memories go way farther back than the latest data. GM or Hyundai could make a million cars with zero defects, and still have people wanting more assurance in the form of a warranty. I like that 4 year, we do everything deal that BMW has, though after the four years are up, look out!
Loren
The 99-04 Pontiac Grand Am had an interior that made Rubbermaid interior look like Mikasa China. The drivetrain was decades old in terms refinement and quality and crash scores were not the best. Yet somehow, someway Pontiac managed to make that car the best selling in it's class for quite a while until the EPA rearranged what was compact and what was midsize. Though all was not lost. The Grand AM had one of the most radical styling treatments at the time. It handled fairly well and better than most cars for the money. And for the money, you got a lot of car. That was how Pontiac and GM accomplished it. A lot of car for the money. Hyundai's philosophy has been pretty much the same as GM's. Throw in standard features that are optional on other makes and price your car cheaper than theirs. And you are right. Three years is not an awful long time for a car in this day and age. When the automotive industry started introducing cars that ran 100,000 mile before the first tune-up and coolant flush, I knew they were starting to make cars last then. It's when you get into those 5-6 years of routine driving you'll see the best and the worst. As I've worked at GM for 36 1/2 years, I've seen a 4-man job go from just that to a single arm robot doing the work of 15 people in less than 20 years.
:P
The best thing about the G6 is that you can choose sedan, coupe, or convertable. This is really cool because it is like self awarness for the line of cars. Sonata has to fight on its own merits but the G6 has 2 relatives to help it out.
Lets hope GM keeps the name, long term. Everyone knows a civic or impala, keep the name long enough and everyone will know a G6.
What?? I guess with the 3800 it does. Equip them both fully, and the 3.6 DOHC leaves the old class Duratec behind.