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ateixeira : Hope Nissan doesn't make the Pathfinder wierd like the Murano and Quest. Pathfinder is really one of the nicest looking SUVs on the road.
http://www.wieck.com/public/*2PV_062778
Only thing I don't like are those Jeep Liberty tail lights.
dindak: did you see the Dunehawk concept? The Pathfinder is inspired by that, which looks nothing like the rounded off Murano and Quest. It'll be on a truck platform, vs. the current unibody, too. I expect a blocky/aggressive style more like the Armada.
AWD shouldn't cost a full $2 grand. I'd guess half that. 4WD Chevys usually come with skid plates and beefed up suspensions that I doubt the Nox will get.
-juice
$2000 rebate before the end of the model year. Anyone wanna bet a beer?
-juice
Up here the AWD Trailblazer starts at around C$36K. The AWD NOX starts around C$28K so I'm not sure where they are almost the same price.
I think it's very competitively priced (up here anyway). I'll be looking at them when shopping
ateixeira : Have not seen the Dunehawk. Hoping for the best on the Pathfinder. ;-)
http://www.edmunds.com/news/autoshows/articles/100537/page023.htm- l
-juice
bigdaddy : Incentives are always more in the U.S. Malibu has no cash back up here and 0% for 48/ 3.9% for 60 mo. That's it. Selling with out them according to the sales guy I talked to.
wheelz : I forgot about that, I meant to stop and see yesterday. Hopefully I will be down next week again. I'd love to see it again, it's total eye candy.
that comment is applicable to many GM vehicles. It probably isn't as big a deal with the Equinox as it is for a say, Grand Prix, but yeah, IT DOES MATTER.
GM must be building 5k worth of incentives into sticker on all their vehicles now.
Even if that was true, wouldn't that be a good thing for you the consumer?
We believe Equinox provides a perfect balance of style, comfort and SUV capabilities, said Brent Dewar, Chevrolet general manager. A spacious interior, excellent ride and handling, and terrific looks will help Equinox set a new standard for compact sport utility vehicles.
Equinox is offered in LS and LT models. The MSRP for the LS model is $21,560, while the LT model carries an MSRP of $23,275. Prices include a $565 destination charge.
Equinox features a standard 3400 V-6 engine mated to an Aisin-Warner five-speed automatic transmission. The 185-horsepower engine features a broad torque curve for confident merging and passing, and the transmission has an adaptive learning capacity to ensure shift quality is maintained throughout the vehicles service life.
The Equinox LS standard features include a split-folding sliding rear seat, 16-inch wheels, power windows, remote keyless entry and an AM/FM stereo with CD player. The LT offers additional standard features including cruise control, deep tinted glass, fog lamps, 16-inch cast aluminum wheels and a monochromatic exterior. Both models will be available with an on-demand all-wheel drive option.
The long 112-inch wheelbase and wide stance of Equinox help create a spacious interior and contribute to a controlled ride and confident handling.
A number of unique interior features enhance the vehicles functionality. The Multi-Flex sliding rear seat travels 8 inches for up to 35 cubic feet of cargo capability or limousine-like legroom (nearly 43 inches) for rear-seat passengers. The rear cargo panel system provides multi-level storage, and does duty as a security cover and a tailgating table. In addition, the center console armrest provides concealed storage for smaller items, while the floor storage bin below accommodates larger items such as a backpack.
Equinox offers a great selection of optional equipment, including 17-inch cast aluminum wheels, side head-curtain air bags, leather seating, heated front seats, a six-way power drivers seat and a power sunroof. Also available is an AM/FM stereo with CD player and MP3 playback, an in-dash six-disc CD player, and a seven-speaker premium sound system. Equinox will also offer OnStar and XM Satellite Radio (continental U.S. only).
Fuel economy is estimated at 19 mpg city/24 mpg highway for front-wheel drive and 18 mpg city/23 mpg highway with the all-wheel drive.
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This is why I say the Malibu 3.5L would be best. Actually, the in-line 4 and 5s from the new Colorado would be even better come to think of it!!
"Even if that was true, wouldn't that be a good thing for you the consumer?"
it would make a lot more sense to match the MSRP to their real worth to begin with......
20k+ cavaliers.......need I say more?
in the end the vehicle mostly sells for its real worth value anyways........i just would say that when folks look at a sticker price on a vehicle thats grossly overpriced it conveys a different impression than if the sticker matches the perceived value much better.
people just think its an absurd joke when the cars are stickered so horribly off what the real value is.
its kind of a walmart / kohls mentality. it might get certain types to get excited about average product but it doesn't do much to add value to the brand.
hell, i own a mitsubishi and they are doing the same thing right now. 3k owner loyalty rebates on top of 4k rebates.....great deal sure......but just price the car at the 'real price' to begin with.
thing is, this is the core of GM's whole sales strategy right now. Has nothing to do with whether the product is any good. Just mark it down more like the sunday afternoon end to a weekend rummage sale.
Instead of offering 5k on incentives, they would be wiser to upgrade the plastics and powertrains, and firm up the seats and handling and steering. ANd try not to make ugly vehicles. That might cost em only 1500 more, but then those rebates may not even be needed to sell the vehicle.....
Joey : Resale SHOULD be the difference between what you pay and what you sell for. If that was the case, GM would not be as bad as is reported. In my eyes, if I paid $3000 less for my Alero and got 0% for 60 months then I should expect to get that much less when I sell. Only makes sense.
As for price, you are assuming you will pay list for an Equinox. I think you can easily negotiate 10% off that like any other GM. Honda pricing is much more sticky.
So that means paying $250 in extra state sales tax.
And for no good reason - MSRP was grossly overpriced in the first place, if you have to knock off $5 grand.
I still contend that they build these rebates into the price, i.e. it's artificially inflated so people think they are getting discounts when really they aren't. The consumer loses - $250 in this case. The state coffers win.
19/24 is not bad for a V6, but given the HP numbers it could be better. The Malibu has more torque than an Accord but gets better mileage. It used to be the other way around.
Now that we know GM can do it, it's kind of disappointing.
-juice
But there are those who want to be the first on the block with a new model. GM will make a nice profit on them. If they crank out 100K units a year (almost double the Vue production, right?)
there might be enough inventory by the end of the summer to trigger some more discounts. I think there's nothing different between the 3.4 and 3.5L (92mm bore x 84mm stroke vs. 94mm bore x 84mm stroke.) That better power to weight ratio would boost MPG. The 3.5L is made in MEXICO and only used in the Malibu this year. All they had to do was send the bigger drill bit to China!
So dealers make a killer profit once, never to see that customer again. And that's good for GM?
-juice
joey : The 3.5 has many improvements over the 3.4L, they are not as similar as you say. I think VUE sales to date this year are in the 70-80K range.
$5,500 on left over 2003 Grand Caravans. Yikes.
The new Malibu has $1000, vs. $3000 for the outgoing model. Aveo also already had $1000.
So I'll stick to my guns and predict the Nox will get $1000 back almost immediately. TrailBlazer gets $2500 off and the Nox may or may not match that depending on sales.
-juice
-juice
joey : Why does GM have to get out of the cast iron business? If an engine like the new 3.5L can be built for less $, is smooth and reliable and gets the best mileage in the Malibu for any midsize car why would you get rid of it? It's like my Opa used to say.. just because it's new doesn't make it better. Take a 3.5L out for a test and see for yourself!
Gimme an alloy block any day, though, I don't like nose-heavy cars and light weight should be a priority.
Still, the V6 in the Malibu impressed me with its torque, and fuel efficiency is excellent. CR said it was the most fuel efficient V6 they've tested, and it actually beat the Accord and Camry FOUR cylinders in that area.
GM pulled a rabbit out of a hat, with an old-tech pushrod iron block!
-juice
23K wth destination. Plus I get side air bags, moonroof. I don't get fog lights and 16" wheels like the LT, big deal. Only a 4 spd auto, but the 5spd doesn't even help the NOX's EPA. Local Honda ad in NY paper had EX @ 22,188 (asssume no dest so add $500 = $22,700)
The US chevy web site says $23,900 for AWD LT so it's already a grand more. Side air bags and moonroof will cost at least a grand more, but because of the option groups, you gotta take leather or some other stuff to get those, so figure 2K in options. So for what I want, no bargain. Plus the honda's got better EPA and more interior cargo volume. Can you hear me whine: Where's my cahsback?
The cord/Bu compare is more difficult. But Cord wins base price over Bu in the 4cyl version. (same EPA's) The V6 cord bases at 23.3K the LT 23,495 (yes the LS is 21K, but we gotta compare option lists). I'm going cross-eyed looking at numbers on cars I have no interest in buying, but Isn't the Accord slightly larger? I wonder which would do better at the test track. Hmmm. I'll wait for a Car&Driver compare to settle this face off!
The Malibu isn't a bad car, I just think the Opel versions look better
and I think GM should start looking at the 3.2 V6 that Opel has. I'm not a big fan of the Accord's last visual upgrade also. The tail stinks. Now if you want to talk about the Acura TL and TSX, there you're talk'n fine jewel of a car.
-juice