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As for the NOX.. wait for a cash back if that's what you have to do. For me, the FWD CR-V is not available here so CR-V is off my list. FWD Nox LT should be around C$29-30K which is about the same as the VUE V6. If I can negotiate 10% off and get a 2-3% finance rate I may just go for it in Sept.
Back to the topic:
Equinox is based on the Epsilon platform, right? Is the Vue also based on that platform?? I'm asking because the upcoming Suzuki Reno is based on the Epsilon platform...
GM has a turbo 4 cyl. engine that gets up to 240 hp in the Saab Aero. Do not follow your point at all about the TSX.
GM will have a 2.4L version of the Ecotec next year producing 170-175hp.
Thanks rctennis.
Dindak: I'd still take an engine with the racing components like VVT. The CRV's got dual balance shafts, probabaly smother then the 3.5L I had that same 3.4/3.5 as a 3.1 in a Chevy back in '92. It was loud, shaked, leaked oil, and and had poor gas mileage. I'll expect the same until I hear otherwise if I get a Nox. Checkout the old boards on Edmunds: The GM mini-van, Aztek, Rendezvous. etc. All have posts about 3.4L engine replacements. Gunk clogged up the block passageways. My old man said the accorn does not fall far from the tree! And a 5 spd auto trans, why the poor highway mileage? Like I said, let's wait for an auto rag family sedan comparison where you know it will Bu'/Cord and then the mini-suv: Nox/CRV. I think I know the rankings already. Let's change the name of GM to Next Year.
New Ecotec next year. 3900, next year.........
As for this 3.4L from China, I'm not sure how it compares to the current 3.4L in say the Grand Am or the Chevy Venture. Hopefully it has been somewhat refined / enhanced. I guess we will have to wait and see. If I hate, I will just go look at a VUE instead. Luckily, GM Visa earnings are good for the VUE in Canada also.
Get those engineers to re-do every single GM engine, I'm not kidding.
-juice
So is it JUST AS GOOD as a Nissan or Honda v6? That is the ultimate question.
"Get those engineers to re-do every single GM engine, I'm not kidding"
Why don't they settle on a couple different engine designs instead of having 20 different versions of the same low tech stuff.
Car buyers don't care if the engineers in michigan need a redundant project to work on.
Bigdaddy, what did you see 'Bu or Nox?
Camry is now getting a 3.3l V6, but I bet it's still a match for that. Accord has more HP but less torque, it would probaly require more revs, I bet the 'bu is better under 4000rpm, the Honda better above that.
The 'bu's V6 is also very efficient. With that torque you don't have to rev it, so for relaxed cruising it's well suited. I think it can hold its own if that's what you want.
It used to be that GM's V6s could only keep up with Honda's 4 cylinders, that's no longer the case.
-juice
joey : AWD wouldn't go to waste on me, but I can do with out. I'm used to snow and I don't go off road.
reg : Take a 3.5L for a drive. The engine may not be quite as good as the Accord, but it's pretty darn close. Considering the price, it's a screaming deal. Consumer Reports even sees the light.
Put it this way, it's not an engine for a race car, but it's a good work horse for daily driving, actually carrying an advantage in those situations over the Toyota V6 I tried.
-juice
-juice
I've seen plenty of Camry rentals and cabs in the U.S. Look around.
Also, the Altima interior is not rental car like. First, you don't see them as rental cars very often. Second, it's too dark. Rental car interior means stark gray...gray gray gray! Either way, the Altima and Malibu have some of the most disappointing interiors I have ever seen. At least the Altima has a good stereo to back it up!
Camry cabs are not as common as the rwd sedans you mention, but I have seen them in San Francisco, New York and Chicago.
I am thinking you do not travel much.
Back to the topic:
At least the Equinox will have a better interior than the Bu, at least from what I've seen.
i guess i consider the engine the soul of the car. If given the chance, I'd rather have a good engine than an acceptable one. Its worth it in the long run. 'Good enough' really isn't good enough. For me.
I'm buying a car, not a deal. Deals are good, but I still need to have to actually like the car.
Usually I like to get both, the deal and the car I want.
-juice
rctennis3811 : Saw 2 Camry cabs this morning in downtown Toronto. Not as common as the Impala or Crown Vic, but they are out there! Altima interior colors are better, but the Bu has less hard plastic.
The V6 Accord costs thousands more than the Bu.
rctennis3811 : Escape is a nice truck right near the top of the heap. It could be #1 but Edmunds will go Honda. Escape will be 2-3
Feel free to disagree with them, is all I'm saying. Have you never been surprised during a test drive?
Making conclusions based on someone else's opinions is short-changing yourself of the chance to form your own.
For example, that CR-V has a rear gate that swings open the wrong way, blocking access if you parallel park. And IIHS Bumper Basher inflicted severe damage to the "Poor" bumpers:
http://www.highwaysafety.org/vehicle_ratings/low_speed_smsuv.htm
Cabin noise is also a bit high. Maybe those are trade-offs you can live with, maybe not.
Just my 2 cents' worth.
-juice
You are right, everyone looks for different things in a vehicle and certainly the different between the best and worst vehicles in these comparo tests is smaller than ever.
The Forester XT (turbo) is the performer, but it could still use better tires and the rear seat could be roomier.
Equinox could have been a home run with the Vue Redline's engine, IMO. Even without it, Nox can offer value and interior space. I wish it got a more interesting powertrain, though.
-juice
For instance, what if they didn't get an important feature that you want? Or what if you want the other engine that is available? Things like that can change your impressions substantially.
-juice
:-(
(I have a hard time believing that they ranked it that far back, but then, I can't believe they tested a preproduction car without mentioning it, or that they fail to mention changes between the tested vehicle and final production cars, such as the rear drum to rear disc change..)