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Could you please tell me the name of the dealership in the Philly/NJ area where you made your deal. I am curious.
I purchased my CR-V EX 4WD on Saturday. I got it at Mike Piazza Honda in Langhorne, PA. I got it for $23,439 including destination. The sales person/dealership threw in the cargo mat, splash guards, wheel locks and told me not to say anything - he also put a box in the back with the all season mats. I was also given three free oil changes. One the dealership always gives for new car sales, the other two I had them throw in to make up for the extensive wait and no follow up phone calls.
It was pretty sad, my sales person was practically begging me to give him a 5 on his rating. Apparently, Honda will be following up with me via a phone call to rate the experience. The dealership kept telling me how important this is to them that they get a 5. Anyone else feel the pressure to give them a high rating even though they don't really deserve it? I wonder what a good rating gets them.
You did pretty good !
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the dealer satisfaction surveys are a farce. regardless of whether you buy a honda, toyota, GM, they all say the same thing: "anything less than a perfect 5 is failure". if the manufacturers want an accurate gauge of how customers really feel, then set up a system wherein the dealers don't beg and bribe their customers to give them a perfect rating.
[rant mode off]
i believe it helps honda decide which dealerships receive the president's award for the year. award recipients get to brag about it and use it in their marketing efforts. i'm sure allocations of popular, in-high-demand cars are tied to it as well. for example, i was surprised to learn from my brother-in-law (who works for a toyota dealership) that, it is the factory that decides which dealerships get which cars and how many, not the dealership! the "better-performing" dealerships get the choicest allocations.
Negotiated and paid in full for Honda CRV-EX -4WD with running boards for $24769 OTD. Delivery scheduled in 3 weeks (near Christmas)
Salesman e-mailed that car had arrived. Then said it was a 2WD, not 4WD as he thought. Argued, but succumbed to 2WD. Around Dec 27, was told that due to an internal screw-up, my car, with specific VIN # was sold to someone else, and next delivery was Jan 10/07. However, if I wanted the 4WD, it would be $1300-$1500 more (depending on who I spoke with). My counter-offer of $500 more was refused, and I declined the 4WD.
On Jan 3., was informed that the delivery date was now uncertain. However, the 4WD was still available at a cost of $1,000 + $300 for running boards (which was previously free!).
I am still without a car. They are willing to refund my money (with no accrued interest) because, I suspect, they can get at least $1500 more.
Even though they are at fault, legal consultation as well as a TV consumer advocate group said I don’t stand a chance of getting my vehicle. Sad isn’t it?
I told him he could keep the car even though it was on its way. A few weeks later they sent me another letter saying on the spot trade in value would be given upon arrival I called to complain that I was told that untill your purchase vehicle came in they couldn't do that. The sales person convinced me that she'll make it right for me. I came in and they offered me only 11,000 for my 2004 saying it had hail damage worth about 2000.00 I said the other salesman said it was so minor it wouldn't matter, then they accused me of filing a claim with my insurance for the damage and keeping the money. The dent guy says it would cost 500.00 to fix. Needless to say I walked out again.
My friend works at Steve Hopkins Honda on Fairfield and he couldn't work with me on the price. Being my friend, I'm going to give him his price of $19,900.
I have seen that Berkeley Honda posts their prices for 2007 CRV 2WDs at $19,847. Check the link here
Already had bad first interaction after test driving at local import dealership. Wanted our cc number before he would even go back and forth on price, said he needed it to show we were serious about our price discussion. Has anyone been asked to do this just to discuss price or get a counter offer? We were cash customers and really ready to buy but this turned us off. Dealer gave us speech about demand for this hot car and demand pushing prices above MSRP. We got out of there as quickly and politely as we could to regroup. We don't want to go over 25K plus tax and title, is that unreasonable? I am thinking that I would be willing to wait until March to let things settle down a bit and try again. We're going to another dealer tomorrow but they are advertising even higher prices than the annoying local dealer. This just feels like it's going to be worse than my last root canal...BTW love this forum, you are all great!
So, you gave them $25K upfront?! Why not just a $500 deposit until you actually get the car?
I'm still waiting for my GB 4WD EX-L ($500 deposit) and I'm a bit concerned as it appears Honda inventory is pretty much open for grabs by any of the local dealers...I can see another dealer 'hijacking' more CRV's off the truck than they should be getting...and poof it is gone...I'm not believing until I see...bad thing is my wife's leased car was due back on the 4th (yesterday) but we have an extension until next week...if it goes much past the 11th it will get painful.
Do you have any "evidence" that this is happening?? I'm anxiously awaiting the arrival of my GB EX-L (2WD only) next week & I've been contacted by another dealer promising that they'll have one in within a week and yet another dealer is claiming that they have the vehicle right now.
At this point, I'm waiting for the dealer that gave me the "best feeling", but sure would hate to find out next week that the car had been "hijacked" from them
PS - sorry to seem so vague on the details, but I'm waiting til I get the car to post the full, sad story of why I'm changing dealers. And you can be sure I'm looking forward to the call from Honda to rate my "shopping experience"!!
Have you contacted any dealers advertising in the Boston Globe? At least the base model LX 2WD is advertised by a couple dealers for less than $20K delivered (though fees and any "required" options, if any, are not stated)
On the positive side my dealer is keeping me up to date and sending me blurbs from his inventory sheet with VIN and dates...such as this:
SHP1218 1229 1231 0108-0112
Which I guess means it shipped from Japan on 12/18, was received in port (San Diego) on 12/29, was then ready for shipping to dealer on 12/31 and is due at the dealer between 1/8 and 1/12.
We shall see.
The store is 100 miles from my place, called three times to confirm if the vehicle is still in the inventory lot. Emphasized that I was for the immediately purchase, will pay off with cash and drive away the vehicle upon my arrival. My last call was 30 minutes before I arrived the store at 10:30 AM and the internet manager said the car was still in the lot and please feel safe to come in.
Long story short, the sales person wouldn't check if the car still available when I was on site. Asking to present credit card or personal check to his manager to show I was a serious buyer, and he had to bring them to the manager office. Well, felt uncomfortable, refused to do so. 10 minutes later, manager finally showed up, said he has no vehicle I requested, has been sold out weeks ago. And won't have any for another 30 days. Walked out immediately.
Dishonest Store, wasted my time and driving expense. It's the Metro Honda in Jersey City, NJ. Never do business with them.
EX-L base price = $34600
plus freight/pdi= 1505
Total= 36105
add options (based on canadian website prices):
tow pkg= 705
protection pkg= 311
Ipod base/attachment=400
side moulding=353
block heater=155
fog lights=600
Total with options= $38629
Taxes (14% in Ontario)=5408
Grand total out the door=$44037
My question is what should I consider a good deal? I have no trade-in and I have never bought a Honda before....Should I ask for money off the bottom line and/or free accessories or what is reasonably good offer to expect?
Buying domestic cars, one can usually expect about two thousand or more off the window sticker and perhaps more $$ with incentives but Honda does not appear to work this way....
For the accessories, those prices include installation. If you are a bit handy you can install the floor mats and side mouldings yourself. They are WAY cheaper to buy from on-line accessory stores in the US. Some of the stores in the US actually ship to Canada (collegehillshonda.com).
Hope the above answers your questions.
That said, a dealer told me this weekend that I can book a CR-V for you now on a fully refundable deposit, and he can tell me the VIN number only at the end of this month and I can expect delivery in March. Does this sound right? I mean is the CR-V on so much back order that even after booking it can take up to a month for a CR-V to go on to production in Japan?? I am a bit sceptical that this dealer will take my deposit (by promising me a better sale price than any one else) but then keep selling each delivered CR-V (of my color/model) for some one who pays more. I am in MN and up here EX-L AWD are in real short supply.
thanks!
The RAV is nice but we felt the interior was cheap compared to the new CRV and we hated the tire on the rear door.
Phelps
Which I guess means it shipped from Japan on 12/18, was received in port (San Diego) on 12/29, was then ready for shipping to dealer on 12/31 and is due at the dealer between 1/8 and 1/12.
We shall see.
That is a UK built VIN.
Congrats on the RAV4 purchase. Sounds like your wife wanted a 270 hp SUV, not a 160 hp one.
I guess you never heard of Supply and Demand Theory. The sellers will charge what the market is willing to pay. If 10 people turned around and not bought the CR-V at $600 off MSRP, then dealers would lower it to $1000 off MSRP. But, since there are 9 people willing to pay $600 off MSRP, why shouldn't dealers charge it? Once people stop paying what dealers ask, then there will be a bottle neck of cars sitting on dealer's lots, they will sell at lower price.
If you were selling a widget, and you asked $100 for it, and I offered $80, but Joe Schmo offered $120, who would you sell it to?
However, if you had 10 widgets, asking $100, I offered you $80 and Joe Schmo offered $120, you would sell to both, because at the end of the day, the average price was $100 per widget.
Can you tell me where Bernardi Honda is located; I'm in western Mass looking for LX 4WD
Which I guess means it shipped from Japan on 12/18, was received in port (San Diego) on 12/29, was then ready for shipping to dealer on 12/31 and is due at the dealer between 1/8 and 1/12.
We shall see.
That is a UK built VIN.
That's not his VIN, it's the build/ship dates projected for his car.
To my knowledge, the 07 V's for the US market are all still coming from Japan.
SHP stands for SHIP and the other numbers are dates.
So, as you can see, it does appear that RAV4's are priced much higher but for the same price basically I got the add-ons for free.
I don't want to steal any of you and move you toward RAV4, let me make this clear - CR-V is a fine piece of machinery, well built and reliable. I would have bought one in a heartbeat (for a decent price, of course). What I am trying to say - weigh your options and if they are not willing to come your way wait or take your business elsewhere where you will be happy with both the price and the vehicle. If Toyota dealers didn't come my way, I would have bought CX-7 or Outlander or Forester or...
I wouldn't say waiting till March is a good deal. What they are trying to do is take you off the market. And while they might be able to deliever the car as promissed (by March) they again might not. Who knows. My advice to you would be: spot a CR-V on a dealer lot, walk in, negotiate, pay and drive away into the sunset. Let somebody else wait till March. Or April. Or May.
LXAWD are definitely available on the lots. In fact some dealers here are putting on leather seats and some extras on LX and selling them at EX-L prices because of the shortage.
Enjoy your new ride Toyota or Honda still both very good choices... MNF
there was an interesting article in the wall street journal on monday (january 8, front page) about this very thing. they said that GM [like other domestic manufactures] sets their sticker prices high and then mark them down using rebates and other incentives.
traditionally, the japanese brands have also poured a much larger percentage of their profits back into research & development and improvements in design and manufacturing while the domestics put that into marketing and--particularly in GM's case--funding their retiree benefits. as the car-buying public becomes increasingly sophisticated and demand more from their cars, the domestics are caught at a disadvantage because they have relatively underspent on product development. thus starts a vicious cycle of more marketing and a growing reliance on rebates and other incentives to move their cars. the good news, according to the WSJ, is that the domestic manufacturers are becoming a lot more product focused and will be introducing some very compelling vehicles in the next few years.
Was very excited and ALMOST sold my 1991 Accord on Sunday. Luckily I held out and still have my Accord because I got a call from the sales person today saying they "accidentally" sold the same VIN CRV twice and the other person had been waiting longer. So no CRV for me. And no telling how long it will take to get one.... Could be 6 weeks best case, worst case no telling how long. Oh yeah, they do have a blue one but I hate blue cars. :-(
Very sad... Should I get my deposit back or wait? I've called all over and can't find what I want anywhere. Help!
Which dealers in the twin cities have navigation EX's in stock? I have given up believing inventories. Many times I asked for a quote with a stock #, but was told that does not exist and inventory is not updated. Some of those very vehicles are still showing in-stock.