very good price, mine cost me $500 over invoice so your getting a great deal, lots of people paid 1000 to 1500 bucks over invoice so we did good and you even better
chasmanz28 - Please give a loud shout when the TSB gets published. This way I can let my dealer know - they think I am nuts and meanwhile my eardrums are popping. Happens to me over bumpy roads, even moderately bumpy. Speed not such an issue. When do you think the TSB will be issued? Otherwise, I really like the PFA. Thanks!
I am planning to pick it up this evening - I haven't signed anything or given any deposit. I thought it was a fair question to pose - looking for some reassurance that I did ok negotiating. Didn't mean to get you all riled up!!!
I test drove an LE 4x2 Armada yesterday. What a ride! Thing is a blast to drive. Real quick (compared to my 2500 Sub) and was surprised at how fast I could hit 80mph. Really liked the vehicle. Wife likes it too. However, I was surpised at how noisy it was. Not from the exhaust either. Lots of rattling. To be honest my wife and I do not think it rides any better than our suburban (8 years old). Wife kept looking around (she sat in the middle) to see where the noise was coming from. Did not hear the resonance that I've read so much about. Although this car had a sunroof. I was surprised at how easily you can push in the roof with one finger. My sub has a little bit of flex but nothing like the Armada. I still haven't ruled the Armada out but leaning much more towards another burb. Test drove an 04 and it was much tighter than the Armada. No creaks, rattles, nothing. Very quiet and smooth.
Darreny, If you read that post carefully then you would have realized that I was the "one person who installed it". I wrote the post. And in my post I mentioned that I did see something attached to the back of the radio but did not find the other end anywhere in the car.
I also removed both 3rd row side panels (the big ones on each side) and could not find a dangling sat cable anywhere.
I can only lead you to the water (or the post in this case). It's up to you to read the entire thing.
Also in NJ. Picked up a SE 4 x 4 on 12/31 for 150 under invoice. 600 miles and no problems. Engine and interior space are hige positives. Disappointed with the sound quality from the radio and yes, it is a noisy cabin. Only other thing is I wish they backlit the steering and homelink buttons.
all you have to do is tell your service manager at your dealership to call nissan about the problem were having with the resonance, the tech department at nissan will tell your mechanic the fix to the problem, from what i was told the tsb wont be sent or posted until a couple of weeks, like i said in my early posts its a big job to take off the headliner and apply the bonding agent to the roof supports, but solving this issue is well worth it if you ask me, no car or truck or suv should give you a headache or pop your ears when driving, something is wrong for sure, i dont know how these salesman cant hear that sound, even mine did and jeff told me when he took his demo on a long trip it gave him a headache so he knows something is wrong
Yeah I has seen what you had said in your post about not finding the other end of the cable. I am just hoping that someone else finds it, and lets us know.
I figure it could save some of us a lot of time and trouble if Nissan put it somewhere usable.
I've got that same issue with the 'noise' in the dash after the ignition is turned off. Only intermittently, however, and mostly after the thing has been driven longer than a few miles. I'll also get it on start-up after a long trip. lasts a week, then goes away. I personally think it's the CD player, but am not 100% sure. My DVD went belly up almost immediately, and I had the truck in 3 weeks ago for repair, but they had to order a new player and I still haven't seen it. I was going to point out the strange noise when I took it in but, of course, it chose that day to remain silent. I still have 'the grinch who stole xmas' stuck in the DVD player, but the service guy promised me that once they send it back to whereever I'll get the grinch back. Perhaps in time for next xmas.
popinjay, I put the comment on another board and someone said that he thought is was the autoleveling shutting down. I guess that is possible ( I didn't even know the armada had autoleveling) I did time the noise and it is 2 1/2 min. after the ignition is off (at least in my vehicle)
I did find the only negative I have seen ( have not had any problems thank goodness) so far, but the trim around the second row driver's seat release is not there. It is ok on the passenger side. I know it is not a big deal to replace, but coming out of a lexus I am used to better quality control. It makes you wonder what else is not there?
If I find the answer to the dash noise I will post it.
hmmm...interesting. Wonder why I wouldn't hear it all the time though. It's sporadic. Do you get the 'tick tock' noise that kinda goes along with it? I'm almost certain it's one of those things I'll have to learn to live with...but I'm hoping the noise re-appears when I take it back in to the dealer for the new DVD player. Thanks for your help.
I have yet to buy a PFA but have test driven several. All have been LE's, none with DVD or navigation. Primary difference was 2nd row bench vs. captain's. One vehicle had a noticeable wind noise around the area of the right rear door handle. Even the salesperson with me acknowledged the noise. We immediately took another vehicle out, no noise. Was not aware that different tires are coming on the PFA. Will pay attention to this as decision on purchase nears.
Bought front mud flaps from dealership parts dept. for $36.95(ouch). Look nothing like the rear. Flat piece of plastic that I hope a large rock won't bust. If it keeps the mud off the sides, I will be happy.
Picked up a SE 4x4 Smoke in Tucson. Live in Phoenix. Windshield busted in transport to the dealer. Windshield replacement is in but window moldings did not come with it so I am waiting.
Has very little resonance but notice it every now and then. Moldings around rear doors does not have a good fit. Lots of wind noise. Will have that looked at when get windshield replaced.
Put on door edge guards and noticed that when the rear door is opened, it catches on the front door edge guard. I bought the long black guards with the glue in the middle. Need to look for thinner ones.
I had U-haul put on a class IV hitch as I did not need the towing package from manuf. They were the only ones that had them in Phoenix. U-haul rep said they supply them to Nissan for the Armada and that is why.
I've had my PFA since just after Thanksgiving and there have been a few instances in high winds when I've gotten a high pitch whistling noise. It seems more noticable in cross winds. I have recently noticed that in a couple of places around the doors, the rubber seal is not attached to the body. You may want to check your's if you are getting excessive wind noise. The loose sections are fairly small, so you have to carefully run your finger around the seal while slightly pulling it away from the body. I did have one area with a gap of about 4 inches. You could easily slide your finger between the seal and body.
RESONANCE occurs when the INTRINSIC FREQUENCY of the a structure (i.e. the roof or cabin) matches with the FREQUENCY of EXTERNAL VIBRATIONS.
The frequencies of external vibrations cannot be controlled easily since they depend on the combined effects of engine rev., AC, fans, tires, shock/suspension, road conditions and winds...
The INTRINSIC FREQUENCY of a structure, however, can be altered by a designer through changing the structure's shape or mass.
The key to avoid resonance is to keep the I.F. far away from the external vibration frequencies.
It might be the case in PFA that its roof I.F. is too close to the external vibration frequencies under which it will normally operate. It shouldn't be too difficult for Nissan to fix this problem in future production. Adding some reinforcement ribs in some strategic locations or some damping materials like foam paddings can easily resolve this kind problem. How much this will help the existing PFA owners remains to be seen.
It is easy to explain why tire thread patterns, tire pressure, traveling speed and road conditions can affect the resonances. Because they all affect the magnitude and the frequencies of the external vibrations.
Does anyone have experience installing after market leather in a PFA or other auto? The leather that Nissan offered just didn't do it for me and I would like to have quality leather installed. How do I judge the shops that do it? Any recommendations in Central NJ. Thanks
I'm in the market to buy a new SUV and here are my concerns with PFA,
1. New model 2. Rattles (roof, moonroof, doors ETC)
I've also noticed a lot of you have the split bench 2nd row instaed of the captains...why? I test drove one and liked it (power, size) but because it's new (first year) very weary of purchasing it.
I'm in the market to buy a new SUV and here are my concerns with PFA,
1. New model 2. Rattles (roof, moonroof, doors ETC)
I've also noticed a lot of you have the split bench 2nd row instaed of the captains...why? I test drove one and liked it (power, size) but because it's new (first year) very weary of purchasing it.
kelly56, I understand your concerns I don't have the resonance issue like some other people do but my moonroof does rattle and a lot of wind noise from it- but I believe this is just an adjustment and will be easily fixed. I have the captains chairs in my PFA, the major reason we got this over the Sequoia, my wife really liked those for my two daughters (9&7). My daughters have no problems getting in or out and they can easily operate the chairs to get into the third row. I have just ordered the front splash guards, bug deflector, wind deflector for moonroof and an additional rear crossbar for the roof rack from my dealer I will have them installed on 1/29 along with the adjustment of my moonroof. I have about 1,100 miles on my PFA and I love it the power is amazing, I love starting it up and hearing the deep rumble of power, with that said I certainly am paying for the power in the form of gas mileage about 15MPG's in mixed driving.
Does anyone have experience installing after market leather in a PFA or other auto? The leather that Nissan offered just didn't do it for me and I would like to have quality leather installed. How do I judge the shops that do it? Any recommendations in Central NJ. Thanks
The internet is a powerful tool for research and after you do some research, you need to go out and check these vehicles out in detail. I've test drove two and had no serious issues, one had wind noise near the rear...but at another dealer in the showroom they had a broken seat lever.. /lol
Another dealer had one with chipped paint near the top of the hood./lol
But I've seen 10 on the lot that looked good.
The point is, you should always examine the details on the one you plan to take home, any vehicle not just PFA.
Every vehicle has problems, everyone always complains about every vehicle.
The complaints that concern me the most are engine, transmission, suspension, etc. complaints.
Considering that the only complaints I've read about are only about resonance and some sqweeks n' rattles, this is far better than powertrain issue.
2004 Dodge Durange non-Hemi - recalled for throttle sticking is one example. This is not cool, more serious.
As long as there are no powertrain and chassis complaints, then the rest is easy.
First model year always raises a red flag, but if I had to buy a first model year I'd rather choose Japanese over American designs. American designs seem to take 3 years to fix all the gremlins.
Look at the Suburban TSB's, 90+ over three years I think. Toyota Sequoia had 20+ for the same time period.
Armada will probably have one TSB and it's been out for a few months.
You mentioned on 1/7 that your armada was going to have the roof bonding problem fixed this week. Did you get it back yet? How did it go?
P.S. I never did see a reply from bowke28 to rshe's question (post 1401) whether he thought every armada would have to have this done. Would Nissan issue a recall for this? I'm trying to decide whether to take delivery of mine or let it go.
the dealership where i bought mine at is doing a salesman armada first, they wanted to do mine but i told them i didnt want to be the first one done, so as soon as they get done with jeff's demo ill let you guys know if it fixed the problem, i didnt want them to rip off the headliner only to realize that it didnt fix the resonance issue, i think more is needed to be done than just a bonding agent applyed to the roof, i also think more supports need to be added to make the entire roof stucture more secure
i did respond to that question. nissan will fix all that is asked for. some people may not have it, and never have need to bring it in. this is where a TSB is different than a recall.
if the vehicle comes in for that specific reason, nissan will fix it. but if someone doesnt have the issue, theres no reason to fix something that isnt broken.
I would start by looking back over the 1500 posts on this discussion, as this topic seems to be re-visited every couple hundred posts. Second, I would take everything I read here with a grain of salt. Let's face it..we don't know who the people that post these messages are, nor the reason for their posts. The only one you can trust on here is bowke, as he's a salesman and you KNOW he's lying (kidding). In terms of the actual purchase, I found the messages dealing with actual price paid most helpful...although even then you're just taking someone's word for it. It's a good way to judge the actual market value. Third, put on the black cadillacs and hit the showrooms. When you see and drive either one, you either like it or you don't. If you still can't decide, make your best deals and go for the cheaper one. I chose the Armada. Certainly doesn't mean I'd never buy a Toyota, though.
I looked edmunds and they are priced almost the same, around $41k. comparing the specs, I found: PFA pros: engine power;adjustable pedals; more head and side air bags for front, rear and 3rd row; rear parking sensor, 6 CD in dash, rear quarter power windows; 4 wheel independent suspesions; DVD nav (optional) PFA cons: 1st year quality; no power retractable outside mirrors; no 3rd row split-folding chair, no auto-climate control, no rear reading light. Sequoia Limited Pros: toyota quality, retractable outside mirrors, 3rd row split-folding chair, automatic climate control, front and rear reading lights. cons: less engine power, no rear parking sensor..less air bags.
and PFA is full time 4wd while sequoia is part time 4wd. I hardly drive off roads, so I dont know what difference will the full time 4wd and part time 4wd make.
From the paper, I like the PFA better, but I really want to have retractable outside mirrors. also the first year quality worries me a bit too.
If the first year quality deal and retractable mirrors are deal breakers for you, then your decision is easy. Go buy the Toyota. If they're not, get down there, run the gauntlet of salespeople and test drive one or more of each. I seriously think that'll make up your mind for you. I was originally going for the 2wd LE, but wound up with the 4wd SE w/leather and DVD for less than the LE...and am very happy with my decision. I know the LE comes with puddle lights, but since I don't even know what they are I figured I could do without them. The SE 4wd is on-demand and not full time. I wasn't aware that the LE has full time 4wd. I'm probably just out of the loop.
For me, the decision was made for the flat folding seats and the towing capacity. I needed a flat deck with as much cargo area as possible. Although the Toyota advertises more cargo area, I have read that it's with the 2nd row of seats totally removed (along with the 3rd row). With the large tow capacity I can haul any of my trailers without the need for my 1 ton. I did purchase part of the extended warrenty (100K or 72mon.)as a hedge against that First Year Vehicle thing.
I agree that not all Armadas are going to need this roof bond fix, I have gone LOOKING for conditions to get some resonance noise out of it, but still none.(If it was gonna come up at all, these past few days of that New England winter hell would have done it)I guess I just got lucky. I HAVE heard it in another I drove, so I know I'm not missing something. As far as wind noise, etc. remember, these aren't Lexus LS 400's, they are large trucks with a lot of mass to push through the wind. I understand some people are having problems, but to complain about a whistling noise when you experience high winds at high speeds? Simple physics will explain that.(those mirrors alone!) Sequoia vs Armada- drive them both, they both have their plusses and minuses, I chose The Armada for the towing capabilities, cargo room (without unbolting the second row in the Sequoia) and the ride.(Armada has that wonderful Imndependednt rear suspension) It was a close call though. Price was originally a factor too-to load up a Sequoia Limited your almost at 50 grand, my Armada LE with the DVD and Nav system (not available in the Sequoia)listed for a hair over 46. Like I said, drive them both, they are different enough behind the wheel that it should make the decision easier.
The Sequoia is not a part-time system. It is a full-time 4wd system with a 2wd option. I leave mine in 4wd all the time with the center diff unlocked. All wheels are powered equally until one slips then power is diverted. Center diff can be locked in 4wd high and low. This truck is not AWD, a system which primarily powers the rear wheels until the they slip.
I just got the PFA last week and my brother has the Seqioa. I have ridden both quite extensively, and the PFA is much better. The ride, engine power, the way it handles, the stereo and the NAVI beats the Seqioa hands down.
I live in reno and drove to Sacramento via I80 over donner pass. The PFA handle some of the twistys like a race car. It handles extremely well. It didn't feel like a truck. The power of the engine going uphill is exilerating. The Seqioa doesn't compare. Very impressed with the PFA. Felt very comfy if in a long trip.
As for Climate Control it does have a dual climate control if you get the tech package. Mine has it.
Since I live at around 5K feet above sea level, resonance is not an issue. While in Sacramento I did notice just a tiny bit. One item that buyers should do once they do a fisrt drive of the PFA and that is close all windows. Including the very rear ones on the side via a button on the left side of the steering wheel. If those are left open the PFA will resonant. Does Nissan has a fix for the resonance issue???
First year introductions from Japanese makers are not ussally a problem. They are the best in the world at it. They will have little quirky things but ussually they will not leave you stranded on the road. Toyota, Honda, Nissan and its subsidaries are known for thier excellent records for first year intros. No sweat.
>>PFA cons: >>1st year quality; no power retractable outside >>mirrors; no 3rd row split-folding chair, no >>auto-climate control, no rear reading light.
According to Nissan it has "Dual Zone Automatic Temperature Control'. I'm almost sure it has rear reading lights. Double check.
>>Sequoia Limited >>Pros: >>toyota quality
A friend of mine read a statistic on a trade magazine, he's a car freak. It said that for every four problems found in a car assembled in the USA, the same car would only have one problem if assembled in Japan.
That said, Toyota Sequoia and Nissan Armada are assembled in the USA.
>>cons: >>less engine power, no rear parking sensor..less >>air bags.
Add,
less 2nd and 3rd row leg room. My wife is short and her knees hit the front seats. /lol I wanted the Sequoia originally but she really shot it down due to two reasons. Lack of power, the engine noise was to high for her at high revs and weak leg room.
>>I hardly drive off roads
Why chose 4x4 considering both vehicles have stability and traction control ? Save yourself some $$$
Final words. When I was shopping for a vehicle I had my mind set on certain vehicles due to internet research and testimonials, but nothing beats a test drive, it reveals all.
You won't find a perfect vehicle, they all have issues. You have to pick the more important issues and figure out which vehicle excels in those areas.
I would buy an Armada right now if it wasn't so ugly on the exterior. The rest of the vehicle is fine and it drives the best out of all I drove.
I would buy a Suburban right now if the interior was more modern in functionality like the Armada, ie, 2nd row leg room is unmatched, 3rd row bench fold down is very cool, makes it easy for me to haul sheets of wood. Plus, the Vortec isn't the engine for me inlight of recent events..
I would buy a Ford right now if I could convice my wife, but her current Ford is falling apart and it tramatized her. Check out the Lincoln Navigator.. better engine than the Expedition.
I would buy a Trailblazer EXT because it's seats 6, lowest cost and their I6 engine is decent, but I wouldn't tow with it. But you can't easily remove the rear seats unless you have a wrench - lol
I would buy a Durango Hemi, but for $2k more I would gain more functionality with an Armada. /lol
The auto mode works just like most auto modes do, the front hubs are locked, the transfer case is not, until it senses slippage, then it temporarily locks the transfer case- when in full time 4wd, the transfer case is locked all the time, not good for mileage or bare roads, but great for snow-blasting and mud slinging!
I have those on my XLT Explorer. When you use the remote or open the doors, there are lights intergrated into the underside of your side mirrors. They shine downward to illuminate under the driver and passenger doors. Can also see if someone is hiding under your truck lol. Not necissary but nice lol.
Should I upgrade from PFA SE Journey Package to PFA LE Tech Package?
I'm very happy with the PFA SE Journey Package+Tow Package that I currently have.
The problem is that I'm a tech freak and would love to have that NAVIGATION and the works package (Pudle lights, power lift gate,etc..)
LE Technology Package adds about $4,000.00: • Nissan Navigation System* with GPS , DVD atlas and seven-inch color LCD monitor • Information Center • Dual Zone Automatic Temperature Control (ATC) • In-cabin microfilter This package includes LE Sunroof Package contents.
LE Sunroof Package: • Power glass sunroof with one-touch open/close
My question is Would it be a smart move considering the fact that my PFA Blizzard SE Journey Package has 1400 miles. I don't know if I would get good trade-in value for it.
You lost at least $9,000 when you signed the papers and drove your SE off the lot...if you have money to waste you might as well wait a month and trade up to the QX56 when it comes out and get a few more tech features like the rear video...
Do a search on google for car depreciation and look for a calculator if you want a good idea of what your trade might be. My suggestion is hold on to it for at least two years before you consider trading, depending on how or if you financed it may take that long for it to be worth more than you owe..
I finally had a chance test drive both the Sequoia and the Armada. I drove each for about two hours. While not an expert in cars and most certainly SUV's I'll do my best to share my initial thoughts.
The Sequoia -
For my size 6' 6" it felt very cramped. I felt like the windshield was right in my face. I was always trying to get the seat to go back further and never felt comfortable. For a big vehicle I was very surprised in it's lack of drivers room. The head room was great! It does feel more refined than the PFA in it's leather and appointments. Honestly for me if I don't fit comfortably the other issues don't matter... On to the Armada.
THE PFA - I could actually stretch my left leg out straight! This may seem odd to some but important to me as I travel 25K miles a year and want to be comfortable! I liked being about to shift on the console versus the column as it allows for easier downshifting. I felt the ride of the PFA was smoother and less truck like than the Sequoia. Independent suspension must help here. As mentioned on many other posts the power was terrific on this vehicle and it does handle well for a big truck. The head room was not as good but acceptable and comfortable for my size. While I do not have young children the back door handles are in an odd place for small children to reach... I noticed the new 05 Pathfinder has the same deal, dumb. While the interior does not feel as refined as the Sequoia, it was acceptable. As far as noise level goes... It was similar if not the same to the Sequoia. I did not hear a resonance problem on the sunroof LE version I drove. Was it as quiet as my Saab, ummm no but it's a TRUCK so I was not expecting it to be.
For me (the tall guy) the Armada is the winner hands down. The fact that I fit better and I don't feel cramped like I did in the Sequoia is good enough for me. The other minor issues of refinement are not critical for me although I do plan to look at the Infinity to see if it would be worth the extra money. That said I'd still be happy with the Armada even if the Infinity did not exist.
I did drive an Expedition and it was a nice vehicle but the power up a hill was terrible... Not sure I can stomach another Ford product when compared with the Japanese quality. I know, I know all cars can have quality issues but my experience with Toyota and Nissan over the years has been much better than domestic products.
Oh and for what its worth... I love the way it looks!
Comments
mkamdar...
what if someone said you got ripped off??? what could you possibly do then?
I am planning to pick it up this evening - I haven't signed anything or given any deposit. I thought it was a fair question to pose - looking for some reassurance that I did ok negotiating. Didn't mean to get you all riled up!!!
put it this way...i have yet to discount one...so you did just fine.
If you read that post carefully then you would have realized that I was the "one person who installed it". I wrote the post. And in my post I mentioned that I did see something attached to the back of the radio but did not find the other end anywhere in the car.
I also removed both 3rd row side panels (the big ones on each side) and could not find a dangling sat cable anywhere.
I can only lead you to the water (or the post in this case). It's up to you to read the entire thing.
Yeah I has seen what you had said in your post about not finding the other end of the cable. I am just hoping that someone else finds it, and lets us know.
I figure it could save some of us a lot of time and trouble if Nissan put it somewhere usable.
I put the comment on another board and someone said that he thought is was the autoleveling shutting down. I guess that is possible ( I didn't even know the armada had autoleveling) I did time the noise and it is
2 1/2 min. after the ignition is off (at least in my vehicle)
I did find the only negative I have seen ( have not had any problems thank goodness) so far, but the trim around the second row driver's seat release is not there. It is ok on the passenger side. I know it is not a big deal to replace, but coming out of a lexus I am used to better quality control. It makes you wonder what else is not there?
If I find the answer to the dash noise I will post it.
Dave
Thanks for your help.
Picked up a SE 4x4 Smoke in Tucson. Live in Phoenix. Windshield busted in transport to the dealer. Windshield replacement is in but window moldings did not come with it so I am waiting.
Has very little resonance but notice it every now and then. Moldings around rear doors does not have a good fit. Lots of wind noise. Will have that looked at when get windshield replaced.
Put on door edge guards and noticed that when the rear door is opened, it catches on the front door edge guard. I bought the long black guards with the glue in the middle. Need to look for thinner ones.
I had U-haul put on a class IV hitch as I did not need the towing package from manuf. They were the only ones that had them in Phoenix. U-haul rep said they supply them to Nissan for the Armada and that is why.
I've had my PFA since just after Thanksgiving and there have been a few instances in high winds when I've gotten a high pitch whistling noise. It seems more noticable in cross winds. I have recently noticed that in a couple of places around the doors, the rubber seal is not attached to the body. You may want to check your's if you are getting excessive wind noise. The loose sections are fairly small, so you have to carefully run your finger around the seal while slightly pulling it away from the body. I did have one area with a gap of about 4 inches. You could easily slide your finger between the seal and body.
sitting in the left 2nd row seat, at highway speed
the wind noise near that window was too high.
Small issues that need ironing out. First model
year vehicles always need the white glove inspection preferably before signing the papers.
/hehe
The frequencies of external vibrations cannot be controlled easily since they depend on the combined effects of engine rev., AC, fans, tires, shock/suspension, road conditions and winds...
The INTRINSIC FREQUENCY of a structure, however, can be altered by a designer through changing the structure's shape or mass.
The key to avoid resonance is to keep the I.F. far away from the external vibration frequencies.
It might be the case in PFA that its roof I.F. is too close to the external vibration frequencies under which it will normally operate. It shouldn't be too difficult for Nissan to fix this problem in future production. Adding some reinforcement ribs in some strategic locations or some damping materials like foam paddings can easily resolve this kind problem. How much this will help the existing PFA owners remains to be seen.
It is easy to explain why tire thread patterns, tire pressure, traveling speed and road conditions can affect the resonances. Because they all affect the magnitude and the frequencies of the external vibrations.
1. New model
2. Rattles (roof, moonroof, doors ETC)
I've also noticed a lot of you have the split bench 2nd row instaed of the captains...why?
I test drove one and liked it (power, size)
but because it's new (first year) very weary of purchasing it.
1. New model
2. Rattles (roof, moonroof, doors ETC)
I've also noticed a lot of you have the split bench 2nd row instaed of the captains...why?
I test drove one and liked it (power, size)
but because it's new (first year) very weary of purchasing it.
I understand your concerns I don't have the resonance issue like some other people do but my moonroof does rattle and a lot of wind noise from it- but I believe this is just an adjustment and will be easily fixed. I have the captains chairs in my PFA, the major reason we got this over the Sequoia, my wife really liked those for my two daughters (9&7). My daughters have no problems getting in or out and they can easily operate the chairs to get into the third row.
I have just ordered the front splash guards, bug deflector, wind deflector for moonroof and an additional rear crossbar for the roof rack from my dealer I will have them installed on 1/29 along with the adjustment of my moonroof.
I have about 1,100 miles on my PFA and I love it the power is amazing, I love starting it up and hearing the deep rumble of power, with that said I certainly am paying for the power in the form of gas mileage about 15MPG's in mixed driving.
The internet is a powerful tool for research and
after you do some research, you need to go out
and check these vehicles out in detail. I've test
drove two and had no serious issues, one had wind noise
near the rear...but at another dealer
in the showroom they had a broken seat lever.. /lol
Another dealer had one with chipped paint near the
top of the hood./lol
But I've seen 10 on the lot that looked good.
The point is, you should always examine the details on the one you plan to take home, any
vehicle not just PFA.
Every vehicle has problems, everyone always
complains about every vehicle.
The complaints that concern me the most are
engine, transmission, suspension, etc. complaints.
Considering that the only complaints I've read
about are only about resonance and some sqweeks
n' rattles, this is far better than powertrain
issue.
2004 Dodge Durange non-Hemi - recalled for throttle sticking is one example. This is not
cool, more serious.
As long as there are no powertrain and chassis
complaints, then the rest is easy.
First model year always raises a red flag, but
if I had to buy a first model year I'd rather
choose Japanese over American designs. American
designs seem to take 3 years to fix all the
gremlins.
Look at the Suburban TSB's, 90+ over three years
I think. Toyota Sequoia had 20+ for the same time
period.
Armada will probably have one TSB and it's been
out for a few months.
P.S. I never did see a reply from bowke28 to rshe's question (post 1401) whether he thought every armada would have to have this done. Would Nissan issue a recall for this? I'm trying to decide whether to take delivery of mine or let it go.
Kelly, here's a link for you:
You, Your Vehicle and the Technical Service Bulletin (TSB)
Steve, Host
if the vehicle comes in for that specific reason, nissan will fix it. but if someone doesnt have the issue, theres no reason to fix something that isnt broken.
Second, I would take everything I read here with a grain of salt. Let's face it..we don't know who the people that post these messages are, nor the reason for their posts. The only one you can trust on here is bowke, as he's a salesman and you KNOW he's lying (kidding). In terms of the actual purchase, I found the messages dealing with actual price paid most helpful...although even then you're just taking someone's word for it. It's a good way to judge the actual market value.
Third, put on the black cadillacs and hit the showrooms. When you see and drive either one, you either like it or you don't. If you still can't decide, make your best deals and go for the cheaper one.
I chose the Armada. Certainly doesn't mean I'd never buy a Toyota, though.
PFA pros:
engine power;adjustable pedals; more head and side air bags for front, rear and 3rd row; rear parking sensor, 6 CD in dash, rear quarter power windows; 4 wheel independent suspesions; DVD nav (optional)
PFA cons:
1st year quality; no power retractable outside mirrors; no 3rd row split-folding chair, no auto-climate control, no rear reading light.
Sequoia Limited
Pros:
toyota quality, retractable outside mirrors, 3rd row split-folding chair, automatic climate control, front and rear reading lights.
cons:
less engine power, no rear parking sensor..less air bags.
and PFA is full time 4wd while sequoia is part time 4wd. I hardly drive off roads, so I dont know what difference will the full time 4wd and part time 4wd make.
From the paper, I like the PFA better, but I really want to have retractable outside mirrors. also the first year quality worries me a bit too.
If they're not, get down there, run the gauntlet of salespeople and test drive one or more of each. I seriously think that'll make up your mind for you. I was originally going for the 2wd LE, but wound up with the 4wd SE w/leather and DVD for less than the LE...and am very happy with my decision. I know the LE comes with puddle lights, but since I don't even know what they are I figured I could do without them. The SE 4wd is on-demand and not full time. I wasn't aware that the LE has full time 4wd. I'm probably just out of the loop.
As far as wind noise, etc. remember, these aren't Lexus LS 400's, they are large trucks with a lot of mass to push through the wind. I understand some people are having problems, but to complain about a whistling noise when you experience high winds at high speeds? Simple physics will explain that.(those mirrors alone!)
Sequoia vs Armada- drive them both, they both have their plusses and minuses, I chose The Armada for the towing capabilities, cargo room (without unbolting the second row in the Sequoia) and the ride.(Armada has that wonderful Imndependednt rear suspension) It was a close call though. Price was originally a factor too-to load up a Sequoia Limited your almost at 50 grand, my Armada LE with the DVD and Nav system (not available in the Sequoia)listed for a hair over 46. Like I said, drive them both, they are different enough behind the wheel that it should make the decision easier.
Can someone explain the system in the Armada?
I live in reno and drove to Sacramento via I80 over donner pass. The PFA handle some of the twistys like a race car. It handles extremely well. It didn't feel like a truck. The power of the engine going uphill is exilerating. The Seqioa doesn't compare. Very impressed with the PFA. Felt very comfy if in a long trip.
As for Climate Control it does have a dual climate control if you get the tech package. Mine has it.
Since I live at around 5K feet above sea level,
resonance is not an issue. While in Sacramento I did notice just a tiny bit. One item that buyers should do once they do a fisrt drive of the PFA and that is close all windows. Including the very rear ones on the side via a button on the left side of the steering wheel. If those are left open the PFA will resonant. Does Nissan has a fix for the resonance issue???
First year introductions from Japanese makers are not ussally a problem. They are the best in the world at it. They will have little quirky things but ussually they will not leave you stranded on the road. Toyota, Honda, Nissan and its subsidaries are known for thier excellent records for first year intros. No sweat.
>>1st year quality; no power retractable outside
>>mirrors; no 3rd row split-folding chair, no
>>auto-climate control, no rear reading light.
According to Nissan it has "Dual Zone Automatic Temperature Control'. I'm almost sure it has
rear reading lights. Double check.
>>Sequoia Limited
>>Pros:
>>toyota quality
A friend of mine read a statistic on a trade
magazine, he's a car freak. It said that for
every four problems found in a car assembled
in the USA, the same car would only have one
problem if assembled in Japan.
That said, Toyota Sequoia and Nissan Armada
are assembled in the USA.
>>cons:
>>less engine power, no rear parking sensor..less
>>air bags.
Add,
less 2nd and 3rd row leg room. My wife is short
and her knees hit the front seats. /lol
I wanted the Sequoia originally but she really
shot it down due to two reasons. Lack of power,
the engine noise was to high for her at high revs
and weak leg room.
>>I hardly drive off roads
Why chose 4x4 considering both vehicles have stability
and traction control ? Save yourself some $$$
Final words. When I was shopping for a vehicle
I had my mind set on certain vehicles due to
internet research and testimonials, but nothing
beats a test drive, it reveals all.
You won't find a perfect vehicle, they all have
issues. You have to pick the more important issues
and figure out which vehicle excels in those
areas.
I would buy an Armada right now if it wasn't
so ugly on the exterior. The rest of the vehicle
is fine and it drives the best out of all I drove.
I would buy a Suburban right now if the interior
was more modern in functionality like the Armada,
ie, 2nd row leg room is unmatched, 3rd row bench
fold down is very cool, makes it easy for me to
haul sheets of wood. Plus, the Vortec isn't the
engine for me inlight of recent events..
I would buy a Ford right now if I could convice
my wife, but her current Ford is falling apart
and it tramatized her. Check out the Lincoln Navigator.. better engine than the Expedition.
I would buy a Trailblazer EXT because it's seats 6,
lowest cost and their I6 engine is decent, but
I wouldn't tow with it. But you can't easily
remove the rear seats unless you have a wrench - lol
I would buy a Durango Hemi, but for $2k more
I would gain more functionality with an Armada. /lol
or you can select 4w HI
4w Lo
or Auto mode
-Still Loving my Galaxy LE in Mass- Tigger
I'm very happy with the PFA SE Journey Package+Tow Package that I currently have.
The problem is that I'm a tech freak and would love to have that NAVIGATION and the works package (Pudle lights, power lift gate,etc..)
LE Technology Package adds about $4,000.00:
• Nissan Navigation System* with GPS , DVD atlas and seven-inch color LCD monitor
• Information Center
• Dual Zone Automatic Temperature Control (ATC)
• In-cabin microfilter
This package includes LE Sunroof Package contents.
LE Sunroof Package:
• Power glass sunroof with one-touch open/close
My question is Would it be a smart move considering the fact that my PFA Blizzard SE Journey Package has 1400 miles. I don't know if I would get good trade-in value for it.
Any suggestions?
Do a search on google for car depreciation and look for a calculator if you want a good idea of what your trade might be. My suggestion is hold on to it for at least two years before you consider trading, depending on how or if you financed it may take that long for it to be worth more than you owe..
The Sequoia -
For my size 6' 6" it felt very cramped. I felt like the windshield was right in my face. I was always trying to get the seat to go back further and never felt comfortable. For a big vehicle I was very surprised in it's lack of drivers room. The head room was great! It does feel more refined than the PFA in it's leather and appointments. Honestly for me if I don't fit comfortably the other issues don't matter... On to the Armada.
THE PFA - I could actually stretch my left leg out straight! This may seem odd to some but important to me as I travel 25K miles a year and want to be comfortable! I liked being about to shift on the console versus the column as it allows for easier downshifting. I felt the ride of the PFA was smoother and less truck like than the Sequoia. Independent suspension must help here. As mentioned on many other posts the power was terrific on this vehicle and it does handle well for a big truck. The head room was not as good but acceptable and comfortable for my size. While I do not have young children the back door handles are in an odd place for small children to reach... I noticed the new 05 Pathfinder has the same deal, dumb. While the interior does not feel as refined as the Sequoia, it was acceptable. As far as noise level goes... It was similar if not the same to the Sequoia. I did not hear a resonance problem on the sunroof LE version I drove. Was it as quiet as my Saab, ummm no but it's a TRUCK so I was not expecting it to be.
For me (the tall guy) the Armada is the winner hands down. The fact that I fit better and I don't feel cramped like I did in the Sequoia is good enough for me. The other minor issues of refinement are not critical for me although I do plan to look at the Infinity to see if it would be worth the extra money. That said I'd still be happy with the Armada even if the Infinity did not exist.
I did drive an Expedition and it was a nice vehicle but the power up a hill was terrible... Not sure I can stomach another Ford product when compared with the Japanese quality. I know, I know all cars can have quality issues but my experience with Toyota and Nissan over the years has been much better than domestic products.
Oh and for what its worth... I love the way it looks!
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