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I'm extremely happy with my Murano. It's an 05 SL with most all the bells and whistles. It's prolly too new to comment on any problems. I bought it in March 05. I've never owned a vehicle I enjoyed driving more and have absolutely no regrets over the purchase. I'm not sure this addresses your issues, but I thought I'd put my two cents in anyway.
Cindy in San Antonio, TX
low maintenance= peace of mind. i think of it like this.."you always get what you pay for".. scott, go for the lexus!!! if you liked the rx330 (how could you not) maybe also consider the rx 400h ..so thats my opinion for what its worth. :lemon:
You make it sound like the Murano is the only vehicle that has had problems. Another poster extols the reliability of the RX330 yet the RX330 Problems and Solutions forum lists over 1200 entries since Nov '03.
I think these forums are great for pointing out potential ownership issues but they are certainly skewed toward negative issues by their very nature..
For what it's worth, I'd rather buy a vehicle with such a recall than one with a problem the company will not address. You may also want to get feedback from other owners in the main Nissan Murano discussion.
tidester, host
About 140,000 Nissan Murano SUVs will be recalled by the Japanese automaker, according to a report from the Associated Press. The problem with the vehicles is in their electrical system: A wire could break in the alternator and could leave the vehicle without power, which could result in a crash. In the U.S., about 125,000 vehicles are affected, all from the 2003-2005 model years. An additional 15,000 vehicles sold in Canada from the same years are involved. No injuries or crashes have been linked to the problem. Nissan will notify owners and will repair the vehicles for free; for more information, call (800) 647-7261.
Personally, I've had my 04 SL AWD since last November and it has been a pleasure to drive, and I'm very happy with it (cross shopped it against an X3). Just done two oil changes over the last 8+ months, and that's it!
I'm sure the 330's nice, it's just that I wouldn't judge overall owner satisfaction for either vehicle by reading a Problems forum, which by its nature is negative; in general, you only come here if you have a problem, not to post that you love your car and everything's great (I think someone already pointed that out...). Even so, there are posts in both forums that "I love my car, and have none of these issues."
You need consider how many thousands of these vehicles have been sold, and what percentage of those people this forum actually represents. Also, how many "perfect" vehicles roll off *any* assembly line anywhere?
1. At 17K, the steering wheel vibrate at HIGHWAY SPEED (over 60 mph) AND shake when BRAKING at highway speed. I took it to the dealer and they perform tire balance. The vibrating while driving at highway speed has subsided, but not the shaking when braking.
2. Brought it back to the dealer and they check rotor and found out it was warped. Fixed the rotor. Now the steering wheel shaking while braking at highway speed is gone. HWOEVER, the steering wheel vibration seems to come back.
3. Brought the car back to the dealer, and they told me, for some reason (?), the tire balance was OFF again. Told me it was probably due to the work they did when fixing the rotor. Rebalance the tire. Vibration seems to be more pronounced now.
4. Brought it back to the dealer and they did tire rotation, tire balance, and wheel alignment. They told me they test drove the car and no vibration now. They also told me that a car this size with a big tire tend to vibrate MORE than a normal car since more of the road surface is touched by the wheels.
So now I've brought my car to the dealer 4 times and the steerign wheel vibration is still more pronounced, with the addition of vibration on the accelerator pedal. To tell you the truth, I dont' eevn know anymore if this is "normal" as it was vibrating here and there before and after the 1st tire balance and rotor fix.
My question: is the steering wheel ont he Murano is vibrating MORE than any other car (non-SUV) due to its size and large tire at highway speed?
Again, do you research and go with your gut....
What it boils down to for me is the Rx330 simply IS NOT worth an extra $5-$10k more than the Murano. In fact, if they were the same price, I would still choose the Murano. I have every option on mine, and to get the same features on the Lexus would be roughly $9k more.
Ive had the Rx as a rental, I've put several thousand miles on an Rx300, and I can tell you, they are both DULL to drive and underpowered. There were rattles from the dashboard and somewhere in the rear on my rental, the road noise was awful and even though the interior might look fancy, that metallic looking section on the centre console is junky plastic, the knobs and dials felt cheap. At least with the Murano you get real aluminium.
And the alternator recall won't affect you buying a new one now anyway, so what is there to worry about. They admitted there was a problem and are fixing them all, whether the problem surfaces or not. It just brings a smile to my face everytime I leave an Rx standing at a traffic light.
It boils down to, are you kind of person who values how your car drives, how you feel every time you sit in the drivers seat, or do you just prefer the badge. I'd rather save $9k and take a couple of very nice vacations thanks.
OK, I was done, but given the way you selectively interpret the available information, you’re in no position to direct that statement at anyone. You completely ignore the many issues in the 330 forum, while maintaining a death-grip on the ones in the Murano forum. For each of the individual posts you list from the Murano forum, I can list an equivalent post from the 330 forum. While the problems on both forums are understandably upsetting for the individual owners, for the most part they are statistically insignificant given the total number of both vehicles sold.
For example, while you were busy listing Murano problems that don’t even exist (“battery” issue?), you neglected to mention that Lexus recalled over 180,000 330s last year because of a fault that could cause the brake lights to quit working. How is that not a serious safety issue? I guess I just don’t see a clear winner between “I have to leave my vehicle at the dealer for a day to replace a defective part that might have left me stranded” and “I have to leave my vehicle at the dealer for a day to replace a defective part might have gotten me rear-ended.”
The 330 also has transmission issues which have been acknowledged, but apparently not solved, by Lexus:
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/04345/424551.stm
I’m unaware of any information that shows that the overall transmission failure rate is greater for the Murano (or, for that matter, the 330) than it is for any other vehicle. The Murano alternator issue seems to have been addressed from this point forward. Beyond that, I don’t know what “many other serious problems” or “apparently comes with ‘eventual’ problems” you are talking about. One person posts (inaccurately) about a “battery” recall, and now it’s a “serious” issue? I don’t think so.
I’m not saying the Murano is perfect, or superior to the RX. It’s just that you’re reading two forums that actually list reasonably similar issues and proportions of happy vs. unhappy owners, and telling people that one vehicle is clearly superior based on this information. I don’t understand how that’s a valid conclusion.
However, it *does* make about as much sense as this post in the 330 forum:
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670 of 1220 Sep 19, 2004 (12:19 am)
Now I'm too scared! by bpatch2
I've been drooling over the RX330's ever since they were introduced, started test-driving a month ago, and was planning to buy an AWD in the next two weeks. However, I discovered this message board a few days ago, and after reading about all the problems you current owners are having, I'm now thinking I need to look for something else. I'm especially freaked about the transmission hesitation problems, but there are too many other problems addressed here that also have me shaking my head. Any suggestions for an alternative?
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Oh, the irony...
I read every report I can get my hands on, but I have been having trouble trying to find a better all around deal than the murano (as for the cost benefit ratio). It gets 25mpg at 60 mph cruising (due to the synthetic and K&N air filter), and handles like an X5 BMW-really. I don't like the noise on the highway with the rear windows down, but otherwise as compared to what is currently offered, this is one great loaded car for so much less money than the X5 or RX330.
I do a great deal of high altitude mountain driving. Not small hills and slightly curvey roads, but the High Sierra' s. The SL is more than fine. I have owned both, but as you might have noted here in these forums, I think it's safe to say the majority think the ride on the SL is a bit nicer. Nothing major, but just a tad easier, a smidge less rigid.
My only caution would be to make sure you get the SL Touring and Tech packages for sure. If you don't you will regret it later! :P
The Murano was released in the UK a few months ago, the only choice available is in body colour, everything is standard. It retails for around $50k, but then most cars are more expensive, especially with the exchange rate. Most of the modifications to the car have been related to safety and handling, the suspension has been tuned to make it much sportier than the US model. So I don't think there can be any complaining over here that the SE rides too harsh!
So I am interested in how you attained information about changes, I have been waiting for the car magazines to highlight the 2006 models which will probably give me some indication but any light you can shed on this subject would be most welcome since I am considering the purchase of a Murano and have to decide if it is worth waiting until the new model is available.
http://auto.consumerguide.com/auto/new/reviews/full/index.cfm/id/38207/
Here is the blurb from the report.
Sources say this crossover will get interior upgrades for 2006. Murano is one of several newer Nissans criticized by press and public alike for low-buck cabin materials and, in some cases, weirdo design features. Nissan is moving fast to answer the complaints. Specifics on Murano updates should be available soon, so keep checking back with us. Otherwise, no big changes are expected for awhile.
BTW: Midnight Blue 2004 SL, great car. NOT ONE PROBLEM so far. Gas mileage is not great (17 around town, 22 on the HW). Love the car but if it locks me out again, I am trading it in. :mad:
Would like to hear how to prevent this (short of
taking the keys out each and every time!).
Because the Murano is such a new vehicle a lot of the service centers do not have a lot of experience diagnosing them. With that said, very seldom does the size of the tires cause the steering wheel to shake.
I have the Bose system (actually, I guess this might not be a Nissan fault) and driving home from work tonight listening to a CD, the sound just abruptly stopped coming out of any of the left speakers. I fiddled with the balance control to no avail. However, the weird thing is, it's fine if I'm listening to Sirius or regular radio, or a tape (remember those things). Just CD's wont work in stereo anymore. I thought maybe the CD was scratched or damaged, but I tried every CD in the changer and none of them would play in stereo. Very weird.
So my next trip to dealer will be for oil change, power outlets blowing, rattle from undercarriage, alternator recall and stereo problem. Oh happy days.
Did I mention I love my car though?!
However, I'll try your solution. Anything I need to watch out when unplugging the battery ?(besides resetting the radio, clock, etc.)
Speaking of vibration, I noticed now that the accelerator pedal is also vibrating quite furiously, especially at speed above 65 mph. Does that happen to you?
I have some issue with a Nissan dealer (Serramonte Nissan) and I contacted them this way and Nissan HQ actually called me up.