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At least by then, you could use that in your negotiation with Toyota if you still wanted to buy the Sienna. You might get invoice by then.
1) Will you lose the 8th seat option (Lazy Susan) ?
2) Any woodtrims or satin-nickel finishes?
3) Does the front grille have all chrome or does it have chrome+color-keyed or chrome+black?
4) Does the rear license plate garnish have chrome or is it color-keyed?
5) Satellite radio?
6) It has front+rear sensors, but is it "Intuitive Parking Assist" in which there is a display on the dash which "assist" with parallel parking?
7) Is it wider and longer than the Sienna?
8) Are there really over 700 voice commands on the NAV?
What is the "cross bar?" I surely don't want one--is it hard to avoid getting it? Thanks!!
Honda apparently does not believe in giving you those cross bars for free. You usually have to buy them for like $150.
The Hertz NeverLost (Megellan) is very good, though. I like it a lot.
And since they usually don't have too many minivans with the GPS system, they may run out of them at the time of pickup. Then you get to request a bigger vehicle!
They let me drive a luxury Lincoln Navigator since they ran out of minivans with GPS!
I think Black looks great on Luxury sedans and exotic sports car, but on SUVs and vans, it looks kind of scary to me---looks like a hearse at night.
Are you stating that you are a certified Honda dealer?
Nighthawk Black vehicles better have chrome wheels and chromes accents to shine that baby up.
Otherwise it will look like a hearse IMO.
rrshinn,
1. An 8th seat/tableback or just a tray table/console?
2. sunshades on which models and which rows?
3. Power liftgate option for EXL?
4. Heated AND cooled seats?
I saw the colors at my dealer today and I think I'm gonna love the slate green metallic I ordered!
Also, remove the added attachments when not needed. This also helps gas mileage.
He pre-ordered his Ody as a Touring w/NAV+RES w/8 seats at MSRP.
the dealer thought that was an odd request.
when travelling, we've had good success using a kanga brand roof pouch that we could strap to the rails.
chrismas time, we had the rails to dog down the christmas tree.
i imagine if i ever need to haul lumber or something else over-sized, i could make my own temporary cross bars out of 2x2 or 2x4, or pull the 2nd row seats and drop down the 3rd row bench and stick the stuff inside.
if i need a commercial solution to the omitted cross bars, there's Thule or Yakama or something else.
cross bars seem like a great noisemaker and of little utility unless you are a family into one of the sports where these perpendicular elements of the rack system add flexibility in what can be attached.
asthetically, the LX roof-rails are not as low-profile, or angled the same as those on the EX. I'm not even sure the systems (LX and EX) are compatible. anyway, if they had made the LX system capable of quickly disconnecting the cross bars (we didn't think that was possible - not sure even movement front to back was possible on the LX), we would have asked the dealer to include them.
but if it's a lazy susan, it makes no difference.
If you don't need the 8th seat, like most of us most of the time, then just fold it into the floor like it's not even there.
Like they say, it's better to "have it and not need it" than to "need it and not have it".
The Lazy Susan can also be used as a tray table if needed. But if you just don't need it, just make it disappear into the floor.
I suspect the Touring trims come with luxury captain's chairs for the second row and that's why the 8th seat won't fit in between. I also suspect you can have the dealer swap those out for the regular split bench w/ the 8th seat configuration.
Oh well, only time will tell, and fortunately it is growing short.
Thanks in advance to any folks out there who have some facts and would like to share them. Does the Touring model have a storage compartment in the floor between the two luxury cajptains chairs?
And has anybody seen how the lazy susan works? Is it like a divided bin? Could I throw a bunch of car clutter in it when I find myself driving past a good car wash place with 20 minutes to spare?
I bet either Honda or Toyota will have something similar to that by 07, maybe 06.
When I decide to buy later this year or early next, if I can get a similarly equipped '05 Sienna for less than the '05 Ody, the decision will be an easy one...
and what were people paying for the new sienna when they first came out? that is - if they could find the vehicle configuration they wanted (or were willing to accept)?
and weren't people having difficulty even getting an opportunity to drive one, because dealers didn't have them? i mean, not everyone is willing to buy a car they haven't seen or driven.
lynnw you say the honda is "over-priced"... if the vehicles (all trims) come standard with the side air curtains, and the vehicle stability control, and ummm floor mats - then when you match up the pricing to the comparably priced and outfitted sienna, i wonder if your opinion will change or stay the same.
According to buyatoyota.com, here are the MSRP's for the Mid-Atlantic region. Of course, expect Sienna prices to rise (again) in the near future.
- I paid 1700 off invoice for the very first listed model a couple of months ago.
- (safety features) = VSC + TRAC, side front seat & 3 row curtain airbags, rear disc brakes
- LE 8 psngr FWD is roughly equivalent to Ody EX, although you only get one power sliding door.
28,065 (safety features)
29,980 (safety features) + RES
- XLE FWD with leather & surround JBL sound is roughly equivalent to Ody EX-L, but has a power tailgate standard.
33,865 (safety features) + moonroof + sunshades
35,565 above + RES
36,060 above + NAV + backup cam
- LTD FWD with leather safety features, xenon HID's, laser guided cruise control, sonar parking assist, roughly equivalent to Ody Touring but with some extras.
37,190 RES
38,870 RES + NAV + backup cam
I know which portable you are mentioned. Those are larger than the walki-talki and more like a panel as in OEM but independent unit with smaller screen (4-5" diagonal). For latest top of the line, it also has built-in DVD reader for upgradeablility but cost you more than $1200. For that money, I will go with OEM. Below $1000 I will consider to buy it. NAV could be considered as safety to prevent lost and chance to ask stranger for directions. It's especially true for female drive alone. Sooner than later, it will be popular like cellular phone or integrated into it, so called Smart Phone which already sold in Asia.
Dealer always making money but not for nothing. They should provide good service and reasonable shopping environment. If they have hot products and low MSRP, they are lucky. Think they may have below par models need near Invoice or below to clear up the inventory, so of cause they will try to squeeze as much as they can from hot models. Have you ever feel guilty if they sell a car below their cost to you? Of cause not. Neither do I. If they go too much, you always has choice to walk away to other dealer or brand. That is the fact and we have to live with it. A friend of mine work in a Toyota dealer told me most dealers in Japanese brands can't specify the qty of all models. They have to accept the allocation for all models from MFR. They can't reject the not favor models to exchange or increase the hot modles until next calender year based on the number sold this year. It sound logical since MFR can't change the production rate for their lineup sooner than 6-9 months for scheduling parts purchased and production line change.
As to limited production to allow dealer to charge excessive profit is far from true. MFRs don't own the dealerships and their profit come from the number of vehicles sold to dealers. So they need to make as much as possible especially the hot models or the higher frofitable ones like SUV. It's their marketing responsible to forsee the need and suggest the number before finding the capacity in their production lines. Honda was known has poor marketing on this. When last gen of Accord in '98 debuted, they predict 70% will buy 4 cyn. and 30% buy 6. They end up with giving rebates to promote 4 and long waiting list for 6. The dealers have to charge over MSRP to make up the less profit on the 4 which even priced at Invoice. The next year they change to 50/50 to solve the demand. '99 Odyssey is another example. The estimate the demand only need 100k and first year produced only 60K. But the demand was so high and even they made near 150k in the 3rd year, they still can't keep up the orders. Anyone has the number of how many they will make in the first year?