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I have never noticed a dead spot in this speed range. Once you get the tach past 1400 or 1500 RPM, keep slowly and steadily increasing pressure on the accelerator pedal, my CRD takes off like a rocket. From 55 to 75 MPH, top gear acceleration is unreal and I have caught my self going 85 MPH before I knew it. Love that torque!!! Who needs horsepower.
Farout
Farout
Farout
Good Luck.
You must not have read my post # 7355.....would you please take a look at it and kindly give me your opinion sir ?? I only ask for the reason that you seem to be very informed on the CRD !!
Thank you,
Skeeter
B-99 is Bio diesel which is 1% petrol diesel 99% organic. By that, animal fat, soy bean oil, just to name a few sources.
You might as the tec, if he knows what he is doing for sure. I like to look at the dealerships Tec's service area. If I see nasty photo's, like what's on these tool companies calendars, and a messy place, I refuse to due business with that dealership' I want a place where my wife and daughters can go and not feel as these tec's were mentally undressing them. I have no respect nor will I tolerate that crap.
I most certainly don't deserve to be addressed as sir, oh?
Farout
Farout
I found this out from Yark Jeep in Toledo Ohio, the Tec's name is Dan. Hope thie helps end your EGR issues.
Farout
When you turn off the motor, this buzzing continues except it is more distinct and sound more like an electric motor engaging and disengaging and the sound of stripping gear...much like the stripping gears of a child small battery-powered trucks or trains that my 2 year old strips out after a day of use but the motor hasn't figured out what happened.
Anyway, this buzzing will continue until the engine finally drains out of juice and the the buzzing grinds to a halt. The familiar sound of the wastegate closing never occurs.
So, I assume the wastegate. I take it to the dealership Friday and they say it is the throttle body...which I did not know that this vehicle had. Anyway, my jeep is in the shop now until they can confirm that this is the problem and order the correct part. I noticed in an earlier post that another had had this happen. To date, this is what my jeep has been in the shop for outside of normal maintenance:
1.) Computer reflash when check engine light came on
2.) New MAF sensor
3.) When back after MAF for new EGR
4.) Now the throttle body
I drove a dodge ram for 192,500 miles and this is how many shop visits it made
1.) Fan clutch
2.) Water pump (probably knocked out by fan clutch)
3.) Fuel pump
3.) Catalytic converter
Just a little frustrated here in Indiana. If any of you have any ideas of what I can do, I would appreciate it.
Thanks,
Boiler
I think it has a throttle body that snaps closed to help kill the motor.
Actually, there is no throttle body on this engine. There is a MAF but no throttle body. There is a device with a flap that is electrically controlled that when you shut the engine off, a flap drops making the shutdown smoother. Diesel engines are not throttled like gassers.
As to a wastegate, I believe that this turbo does not have one, but I could be wrong. I have looked closely and have yet to find a wastegate.
I did trade the Libberty but since Chrysler financial forgot to release the lien last october, I have been playing a frustrating game with the dealer who couldn't care less. Since the Libbert is still in for repairs (now 31 days) and I haven't signed over the title, I still technically own it. As soon as it comes out of the shop it goes to the other dealer as promised. I am going to try and invoke the lemon law and hope for a cash settlement. I will keep you posted. Good luck with yours.
Your are right Boiler, the dealership is not using exactly correct terminology. The CRD does not have a throttle body (control valve) that is synchronized with the pedal - which is what I think you mean. The intake has a valve that chases inputs from various sensors to create a partial vacuum to facilitate EGR flow under certain conditions. It has also been posted that this valve aids smoother shut down and may also act as an anti run on valve. Whatever it's called the dealership is probably going to change the right part. The valve looks better than a child's toy, but not much. Hopefully you will eventually get all these bad parts changed out and you will be good to go.
Farout
Farout
Farout
The more I understand from Tec's that really know the CRD real good the more I am positive there is wide spread ignorance that causes most of our problems, because many Tec's just guess or flip a coin.
Someone on the forum suggested we take the CRD to a regular truck diesel repair shop. Maybe that's not so wild of an idea after all. The problem I see with that is why would the fiddle with a small CRD when they can make much better money of the big rigs?
With 22k is than miles or Km? If miles I have 17,900 miles as of today and will have 18,500 by Wed. of this week. Is your mpg doing better or the same? Ours is pretty consistent at 22mpg, still have not been on a trip yet, but we are considering a travel Trailer for next spring to due some long deserved traveling. We are looking into as big as a 21' and 3,700 lbs dry weight. There are svereral brands and some very attractive prices. Several 2005 units are on a good deal of lots. Like anything connected with fuel people are being more conservative in looking to the years ahead. We are only paying $3.129 at Walmart, and we get pretty good MPG with this fuel. I always thought Murphy fuel was real poor grade of fuel, but it seems good with our CRD and our Neon with 188,000 miles on it.
Hope you get the Buzz out!
Farout
Mine gets pulled up to a vertical position for shutdown and then drops down and makes the flap noise. Open intake now for the next start-up. Chatter of this being yet another redesigned part.
More test drives this last weekend - nothing bought yet.
If you are having problems finding a vehicle that's worth what you pay, please tell me waht it is when you find it. The more I look at the New Vehicles, I am better pleased with the Liberty CRD. Maybe that just might be what you will find as well. Good hunting.
Farout
Looking for: in the garage, highway capable, texas off ramps - just this last Friday another thing on the interstate. Tomorrow, regular cab short bed trucks with a locking or at least a limited slip rear dif and forego 4wd.
To clarify, my jeep now has 22,000+ miles on it. It gets a rather consistent 22 mpg on 50-51 cetane B2 from the Co-Op. It still puffs smoke. Once I tried ULSD B-20 and I liked it but am not driving 50 miles to get it (happened to be in the neighborhood judging a fair).
The buzz you are describing, like mine used to do, ends with a "click" as the valve final closes. It does not do this now. Now I get to drive around in a neon loaner...I didn't know they even made cars anymore without cruise control.
I'll let everyone know what the final verdict is.
Boiler
Thats two I need to get done!
Farout
Thanks Cerich,
I checked out the site and found only this on my vin number search:
REPROGRAM TCM FOR AFTERMARKET SCAN TOOL
It will be nice to be able to use my scan tool again.
Checks on my fuel mileage yielded 21.5 city, 28.5 highway (missouri hill country) with the a/c on most all the time. I bought mine used, and it now has 13,000 on its clock.
I enjoy driving once again, the CRD's high torque, at low rpms, along with the 5 speed auto is a blast. I enjoy watching people's expressions when they hear that diesel sound come from that small SUV (be it, most people don't notice it because they are busy with their own issues).
I think the CRD is a sleeper hit, test market issues will soon pass, be sure to have a comfortable pair of sun glasses nearby, because we are starting to see this little CRD shine... :shades:
My wife quickly told them "it's a diesel". They were sure suprised and shut up quick. Classic! That or people asking when the last time I checked my oil level was.... :P
Do you use Bio fuel, and if so where do you get it? I have yet to see a B-2 or 5 within 65 miles.
where did you get your CRD. I have checked the dealers in KC and St. Louis and two weeks ago I found a total of four new ones on the lot.
Farout
How many miles do you have now? We have 18,200 now, and yesterday we got our best mpg ever, 26.1 and I was very pleased as we usually get 22 mpg driving the very same route.
Farout
I appreciate the heads up on the PCM. They did not replace my PCM when they did the EGR replacement, to my knowledge. I am going to go back and check my service ticket to be sure. I believe they did do a flash upgrade to a few levels higher than it was. The PCM was replaced right when I bought the vehicle in May '05 because it was faulty....perhaps I got a newer PCM and did not need it replaced again? Will definitely look into this.
I also had a flash done on it when the torque converter failed at 18,000 miles. I was planning on taking it in soon to get the latest TSB flash done on it (not the recall flash as Jeep.com says no recalls on my vehicle for some reason)
I have a little over 22,000 miles on it now, and bad turbo lag is back. I am going to check for any loose hoses.
I also am having problems with the TPM system telling me to "Check TPM System" all the time on the EVIC. I also get a lot of driveline lash and sometimes clunky shifts and I wonder if the two are related and also related to the torque converter replacement work that was done.
Aside from those items, 22,000 great miles!
I got 26.6 mpg as my personal best, with a/c on, going gently downhill over a long distance. Everyday driving is around 21.
FYI, since I changed to 5W-40 oil the engine seems smoother than before (15W-40) and my readout is showing 30.5 mpg. I never saw it above 30 mpg. I will fill the tank on Wednesday evening and check the mileage.
Farout
"EGR Airflow Control Valve"
This long title (especially if the EGR acronym is expanded)likely provides insight as to why it failed and why nobody calls it by name. It also provides insight to the price of the part which is $427 + $40 (don't know what the $40 was for). So far I have right $1000 in warranty services provided for the EGR and related pollution control devices. I feel like we are reliving the 70's when catalytic converters crapped and lead paint was scrapped (remeber the early 70's rust buckets?).
Hopefully the ULSD will save us but I am not holding my breath. Like tin-can Cat-converters, I bet EGR bypass procedures will be the norm until DCX et al get this figured out. I feel real sorry for those that buy an '07 or '08 BlueTec or any diesel for that matter. I love this libby but I can't afford over $1k a year in repairs.
Boiler
Where in Az did you live? I have been there, lived their and I was born there too. Yes I miss the greenery too, when out that way.
I live near the Rolla area. The local chrysler/jeep dealer are jerks (sale department mainly) I wouldnt recommend them. To keep up business, they have to contract out to a firm to do mass mailings to surrounding counties of "you have just won $3000 to apply to your next car, etc".
Are you looking for a new CRD?
Which hwy near the lake do you live? I havent tried Biodiesel, nor have I noticed it at the stations. I might go B5 if I find it, but I doubt I will try any other.
The "EGR Airflow Control Valve" is a separate element to the "EGR Valve" itself. On the wiring diagram of the Bosch ECU the two items are clearly separated; you have the EGR AIR FLOW CONTROL VALVE CONTROL on lines C1-68/70 [K315 20BR/GY] (this one returns information of it's position) and the EGR SOLENOID CONTROL [K35 20DB/VT] connection on line C1-90. Your egr is pneumatic because it is simpler this way and the motorized flap has to deal with the mixture.
C# stands for connector#, the following #is the cavity #, "K" stands for circuit # , the rest being wire gauge and color.
Anyone get their balljoint recall notice yet? How about the replacements, are they better made?
Tailgate
FYI - The CRD is still in the shop but the parts finally came in. They expect it to be ready Thurs or Friday. That would put this ordeal at 32 days in the shop. If you add the 3 days in the shop for the glow plug, that puts me at 35 days in 9 months. Four trips to the service bay. I don't think all of the 30 vehicles I have ever owned have been in the shop this much combined.
I'll keep you posted on DCX's response and the condition of the transmission when I get it back. :confuse:
I am considering purchasing some MOOG ball joints (lower) and having an independent garage install them. At least I know that they will hold up and they will have a Zerk fitting to boot.