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Also, you often have to wait on back ordered parts because the parts department hasn't dealt with the car long enough to know what parts to keep on hand for common repairs. Then they can't get them because the parts warehouses don't have the right parts in storage for the same reason, so there may be weeks of delay for new parts to be manufactured for newly-discovered issues.
On top of this, there may be quality control problems at the factory until they get the bugs worked out only after months of production and after they get feedback on frequent warranty issues weeks and months later.
I just went to the dealer and took a look at a blue 300. Looks nicer than I expected.
I had been leaning toward magnesium, but they don't represent it accurately in the photos. It's lighter and greener than I'd really like. (I wish they offered charcoal grey.)
Black looks great, but I'm not good about washing my cars.
Tell me your color preference and why.
I couldn't believe how beautiful it looked. But I have to see one in person... if it's the blue I saw on TV, then my order goes to the blue!
I need to see one in person!!!
Here's what I've found.. it's as reality as we'll get online...
http://waitt.carbase.com/show.asp?vid=339174
BEAUTIFUL!!!
Black, because that is the only 300C my dealer had.
stephen
Optional wheels "ought" to be a money maker or at least increase those who like and therefore would buy the car.
Perhaps the wheels on a black version would look a bit classier.
I know, picky picky -- but it would probably not be a big buck fix to offer 3 or 4 wheel choices or perhaps allow the dealer to offer them.
Jus' a thought!
It shows all the info you would want to see on the screen while the song is playing..artist, title, length ,track # disc # everything. You can even have it display ALL the songs on a disc and scroll up or down to the one you want, high-lite it and play it. The disc I used had 185 songs on it and it showed them all on screen at once if you want to find a individual song.
Had a black truck....dirty 2 minutes after you wash it.
Blue was nice but Magnesium really caught my eye because it looks different in different light.
Doesn't 5% seem high? I guess it boils down to see if the $1000 works out cheaper after 60 months?
Is it hard to setup? Is it a matter of just sticking in the cd that comes with it? How is the base map? I've got a street pilot iii, is it anything like this?
I thought I read somewhere here that you can't program it while moving? That really stinks if the passenger wants to use it. Anyway to bypass this?
How accurate is it (within how many feet)?
Thanks for as many details as possible. I've not been able to see any details or instructions on this on the net?
I live in a small town. There is only one traffic light in our county. No freeways, no four lane highways, speed limit everywhere is no more than 55 mph. So I quite often drive at moderate speeds on hilly roads, and that is when the MDS gets busy. I bought the one and only 300C our dealer had. He's received no others.
I have not mentioned to the service department that at 60 mph after my car is warmed up, I can tell when it is in 4 cyl mode or 8 cyl mode. The vibration (from lugging just before it changes to 8 cyl mode) is so slight, I'm afraid the service manager would suggest electroshock therapy. The hesitation when it shifts to 8 cyl mode is barely perceptible. I wouldn't dare complain about that either.
The thing about MDS that irritates me the most is that Chrysler gives us no control over it, and no information whatsoever about the specifications. For instance, how much torque and horsepower does the engine have while in 4 cyl mode? If the 4 cyl mode is so great, why does the control module switch to 8 cyl mode at the slightest hill or even a strong wind gust on a level surface?
I find it disappointing that Chrysler claims it is seamless and that gets parroted by the automotive press. If you're cruising in Drive at 60 mph and press the accelerator moderately or otherwise, there is a perceptible (albeit slight) hesitation while the engine control module arranges everything to get up and go. If you're cruising at 60 mph in "4" (which locks the MDS in 8 cyl mode and keeps the transmission in 4th gear) the car is more responsive, more connected to your foot than strings of computer software.
I think MDS would be great if I could decide when to run the car in 4 cyl mode, and when to run it in 8 cyl mode. Instead, what we have here is an algorithm some nerd has entered that he thinks is superior to my ideas and preferences, and in Drive, it is more challenging to match the car's speed to traffic and road conditions.
I spent 90 minutes this afternoon driving a nearly-new 1979 Cadillac Sedan deVille (16k miles on it). No overdrive, no lock-up clutch. The accelerator is connected to the carbuerator and at 50 to 65 mph the transmission stays in 3rd gear. What a pleasure! It is very easy to use the accelerator to match the car's forward motion to traffic and road conditions.
stephen
stephen
I live in a small town. There is only one traffic light in our county. No freeways, no four lane highways, speed limit everywhere is no more than 55 mph. So I quite often drive at moderate speeds on hilly roads, and that is when the MDS gets busy. I bought the one and only 300C our dealer had. He's received no others.
I have not mentioned to the service department that at 60 mph after my car is warmed up, I can tell when it is in 4 cyl mode or 8 cyl mode. The vibration (from lugging just before it changes to 8 cyl mode) is so slight, I'm afraid the service manager would suggest electroshock therapy. The hesitation when it shifts to 8 cyl mode is barely perceptible. I wouldn't dare complain about that either.
The thing about MDS that irritates me the most is that Chrysler gives us no control over it, and no information whatsoever about the specifications. For instance, how much torque and horsepower does the engine have while in 4 cyl mode? If the 4 cyl mode is so great, why does the control module switch to 8 cyl mode at the slightest hill or even a strong wind gust on a level surface?
I find it disappointing that Chrysler claims it is seamless and that gets parroted by the automotive press. If you're cruising in Drive at 60 mph and press the accelerator moderately or otherwise, there is a perceptible (albeit slight) hesitation while the engine control module arranges everything to get up and go. If you're cruising at 60 mph in "4" (which locks the MDS in 8 cyl mode and keeps the transmission in 4th gear) the car is more responsive, more connected to your foot than strings of computer software.
I think MDS would be great if I could decide when to run the car in 4 cyl mode, and when to run it in 8 cyl mode. Instead, what we have here is an algorithm some nerd has entered that he thinks is superior to my ideas and preferences, and in Drive, it is more challenging to match the car's speed to traffic and road conditions.
I spent 90 minutes this afternoon driving a nearly-new 1979 Cadillac Sedan deVille (16k miles on it). No overdrive, no lock-up clutch. The accelerator is connected to the carbuerator and the transmission stays in 3rd gear during normal acceleration at moderate speeds. It is easier to use the accelerator to match the car's forward motion to traffic and road conditions on this car than it is on the 300C.
stephen
like i said before, it's odd that you are the only one complaining about MDS...chrysler has said the system is seamless, and so far i've only seen one dissenting vote against that claim.
if i were you i'd hop in another 300c and check out how it acts in the same situations in which you drive your car. just explain your situation to the local dealer and have them call you when another C comes in. can't hurt to compare...
It is only detectable on the smoothest of road surfaces, at steady moderate speeds. I admit to above average sensitivity. How many people can tell that the torque converter lock-up clutch disengages and re-engages whenever you lift off the accelerator and step on the gas again? It took me awhile to get used to that feature. Now we have another feature on top of that one.
stephen
There are loses, however, like not being able to select another destination while on the road although one poster here said it was possible to select POIs without stopping. One NG says the nav in Acura let one bypass this safety feature but Lexus, BMW, Infiniti, etc., insist on it.
The maps should be the same since they are by NavTech and should have the same detail as the latest Mapsource.
I'm sure a way must exist to by pass the intro screen....
Hertz Neverlost lets you program while driving...
Can you save waypoints and previous addresses?
I wonder what happens when the exit numbers change on highways as they are doing in many states these days...
Including info on the NAV and features! List of other features is on link bar on right.
http://scoop.daimlerchrysler.com/product_30005_navigation.shtml
The owner's manual says the car is more responsive when the selection is "4", so apparently, locking it in 8 cyl mode is one of the things they decided to do when you select any one of the four lower gears via autostick. It would be nice if they'd let us go all the way to five in autostick mode. All the gears were selectable in the 300M. Why not the 300C?
stephen
Unfortunately, the US is seen, rightfully so, as populated by those who equate a diesel engine with a 30 year old city bus which can't get out of it's own way. Sad.
The diesel is a great engine for the US market, 'cause our driving thrives on torque, not HP. 350 HP does you little good if you can get it only at 9K rpm, and you have a max of 150 lb. ft. of torque. Even on motorcycles, of which I've had a few, torque is good...torque is fun.
FWIW, there is an AMG Mercedes diesel available in Europe. The TD which is available for my '99 Suzuki Grand Lametara returns 35 MPG in mixed driving, but here, you get a pathetic 4-banger, or a 6-cylinder, which is smooth, but returns all of 22 MPG, and that's with me being very gentle with it.
Back to the 300C. There may be hope for more power/better handling, as an SRT version has been hinted at by the automotive press for the 2006 model year, which, given the way model year designations work, lately, should be released next week.
Personally, I'll not buy another first model year car, as the Suzuki was my first, and sure enough, it had teething problems. They have since been engineered out, but I'm still fighting them. Things like undersized differentials and axles are hard to 'fix' in the aftermarket. Mostly it's a fix-and-hope-it-doesn't-return kinda thing. Mine has all of 54K miles and the rear diff's pinion cracked as well as having a rear axle shaft disintegrate, not together, but rather about a month apart from each other.
The 'stick on' paint coating will be a great thing for those who live where sand/rocks on the road can be a problem, like in those areas where you get a good amount of snow. My '95 Intrepid looks like it's got 300K hard miles on it, and I have a dozen good-sized paint chips in the ROOF. I'll do something like this next time around, that's for sure, especially if it's only a grand outta pocket. Repaints aren't expensive, but they look good for about a week.
Old Cadillacs, a favorite vehicle of mine. I've had two, hope to have many more. However, for a daily driver, I never want to have a 472 CID Coupe DeVille which returns all of 8 MPG, and that's with dedicated MPG tweaking. Granted, it was like driving your living room, but it was like that in more than one manner. Stopped and turned like a house in motion, too.
8-P
Kelly
current Intrepid owner, future 300C owner, 'specially if an SRT comes to light
Why an extended warranty? This car is very sophisticated -- has about 9 computers aboard plus much additional electronics. I could just see me get to 36000 miles and have some major electronics problem which would cost a fortune to fix.
Shopping around, I easily found 3 out of area dealers who began pricing on the same warranty at $1320 or so which supposedly is list price on this warranty. It pays to look around. Google is a good place to start.
Search on "alpine" will give you msgs 1982, 1979, 1928, and 1821, all of which provide info on that system, the UConnect, and the eell phone I use.
Why" Simply because IMO, this car is too sophisticated electronically. I'm concerned about large bills after 36K miles.
Looking forward to meeting everyone!
KarenS/Senior Host/Owners Clubs
Have many of you chosen the medium grey interior over the light grey?
I'm thinking of a magnesium exterior with medium grey interior. That might sound weird, but I live in the snowbelt, where white carpet won't survive. My other option is to put plastic all over the floor (covered earlier in a discussion about My Big Fat Greek Wedding), but that seems like a lot of trouble to go to. Big black mats would probably look ugly too.
Comments?
"Of course, should you have a flat...wait a sec, the battery is *in* the trunk, isn't it?! If so, how are you supposed to either get a jump, or more importantly, change the battery?"
And the answer is:
there is a positive terminal located under the hood on the passenger side about 8 inches away from a negative terminal on part of the engine compartment metal. Of course, this is only good if the hood latch is NOT solenoid operated!! I assume the hood latch is strictly mechanical??
Audiophiles will enjoy the MP3 player, a navigation first, and SIRIUS Satellite Radio™ availability. The MP3 feature enables the user to view and play files and folders contained within MP3 discs. Coupled with SIRIUS Satellite Radio, the stream listing, stream category, song title, and artist may be viewed on the system's display screen.
Now its time to start converting my collection!!
JT
Have fun!
I guess it's ok for me to join then :-)