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So what is plood?
That's the first time I'd heard the term pluminum, but I assume it means plastic aluminum, i.e. fake metal trim.
-juice
-Brett
I'm doing some things to keep my clunker running...I hope it makes it until then.
Mark
Outback 2.5i MT: 23/28
Legacy 2.5i Limited AT: 22/30
My dealer said he's getting new Outbacks the week of May 29th. I would be stunned if the new Outbacks didn't show up until September.
22/30 is impressive.
Of course that's just the EPA estimates, the regulars here know that generally the MT models get better mileage than the autos, regardless of what the EPA says.
That's been true even for people that have owned both.
-juice
I thought I had read somewhere that the invoice for this model was 24487. Any ideas ?
-juice
If so, where?
thanks
John
-Ian
If so, where?
thanks
John
To avoid the dreaded double post do not use your refresh button. Instead click on the "Recent msgs" button under the last post you see.
Cheers!
-Ian
I only know about MT, never driven a tiptronic or similar.
Sorry if this question is dumb.
JP
Shifting to 4th was only allowed at speeds above 15, I think. It also would downshift to 1 if you came to a complete stop without shifting down while doing so. So, if you downshifted to 3 while stopping, it would hold the gear.
As for topping out the gears, it wouldn't let you downshift to a lower gear if the RPM's were too high for that gear. It would also upshift if you went too far in a lower gear.
I know that was what ChryCo did for theirs, Subaru's should be 'better' ;-) Someone who's driven the current '04 Legacy GT with 4spd SportShift should comment on it's behavior though.
-Brian
FWIW, I also remember that there is a sportier auto mode. I guess if you put it in drive, you get the regular auto mode, but then if you bump the stick toward where the + and - are but don't touch the steering wheel buttons or move the stick toward either the + or - it will be in "sport" mode and will hold the gear longer before shifting and will downshift quicker to keep the revs up.
I know there's been a description by one of our Australian members of the sportshift in one of these forums. Look for the "Subaru Crew" discussions and find the Future Models II thread. Or maybe do some searches for Subaru and Sportshift.
Cheers!
-Ian
I hated the current 4EAT in the 2004 OB H6, but liked it in the FXT. Must be all that torque and the wide power band.
Hoping the 5EAT and the extra power/torque in the new H6 make the difference. I read somewhere else that the new H6 (Aus model) is still a bit slow off the line and sometimes hunts for gears, but takes off at higher rpm.
Looking fwd to reading reviews and taking lots of test drives. I wonder if we will see any comparison tests between the Outback XT and the 3.0R. I guess the H6 will get killed in all performance tests but will get better mpg and smoothness.
Counting the days till June (or will it be July...).
JP
Where in the US are you (assuming you are in the US), and were any of the models MT?
Zman
So much for the Audi-killer.
Wonder what happened at Subaru of America?
Legacys overseas had all these at intro.
?
Some people here are already complaining that the 05 Legacy/Outback is overpriced.
People overseas are much more willing to pay a premium price for a premium vehicle.
That does not, however, explain why things like NAV and HIDs are not even dealer options. Not to mention satellite radio.
If the SOA AWD is a simple, light weight, relatively inexpensive design....what they have always pitched...then why not compete on PRICE and FEATURE. Right now it is only feature--AWD. Forcing consumers to decide between NAV and AWD, 6 cylinder vs 4, Vehicle Dynamics vs. none or AWD, is too complicated....Many will walk in the Honda, Toyota, and Nissan store and just pick up a LARGER car with all the features needed 90 percent of the time and walk out the door. Many of us will walk in a Subaru store and admire the neat technology and wish we could have had all the goodies and not be constrained by artificial marketing gimmicks.
It will take just one manufacturer to see the light that a 105 inch to 108 inch wheelbase car with about 200+ ponies, AWD with all the electronic gizmos, NAV, Onstar and like, great safety ratings, can be had for between $25k to $30K and sell like hot cakes....wait I thought that was going to be the 05 Legacy! I sure hope they can still change things around!
Have not seen any reviews on the new Legacy, but expect there will be one shortly.
With regards to the marketing of this car, this car would appeal to me. Someone who is looking for speed, handling with some style and practicality. Yes, I would look at this car with the G35 the two Acuras (TL and TSX) and a 3-series (though most likely the 325).
I do not care about all the electronic gizmos, since they are usually distracting anyway. If I really wanted them, I would spend the extra +$4K for a TL.
Hey, there is a reason the WRX became so popular, and it sure was not for its feature content vs. competitors in its price range.
Second, I suggest you do not accept AVERAGE as the final answer. Expect more from SOA and they will deliver. Buy into their arguments and they will take your money, gladly. AAMOF I will take your money as well!
Third, go to http://www.subaru.de/legacy-spec.pdf and read the column under Legacy Limousine 3.0 Autom.
Fourth, ask yourself this question: If SOA has a car that has all the features that make it compete even more with the S4 and further differentiate it from the CAMCORD why don't they bring it to the US?
Fifth, again, do not accept the AVERAGE and demand more from SOA.
Sixth, HP and Torque are relative to gearing and mass....don't think that large HP and TQ numbers always win out....far from it! Discounting other cars in the Forum works....in the marketplace it is the sale that matters!
Once again SOA has the car that has it all...just bring it here!
Peace.
JP
I really believe that having a fully loaded "Legacy Limousine 3.0 AWD (German Model)" with NAVI, Stability Control, and the rest is still a good thing for SOA to have as a few will buy the car (currently priced at 40K Euros) just like VW did with the Phaeton and the Passat W8 before that. It just shows the rest of the builders that SOA has "arrived" and can respond to the market....just one person's view!
My last experience with an "Arrest Me Red" red convertible may have cured me....'orange'reds catch the eyes of male
[non-permissible content removed] sapiens before any other color..hence my convertible's attractiveness to law enforcement. FWIW, scientists say that "blue" reds are first noticed by [non-permissible content removed] sapiens females.
Mark
My dealer has some swatches.
Here's something interesting (but totally geeky). Subaru have wheeled out Outback XT show cars in monotone silver, but cars101.com state that silver is only available in the Outback sedan, not in any of the Outback wagons.
JP
I don't want things like HIDs and NAV, but SPT or the aftermarket could address those things.
I drive a Miata and HIDs blind me, so personally I'd rather see them banned. Jail the people that designed them and let their punishment be staring into HIDs aimed directly at eye level (what I suffer every night with the top down and a Navigator or Escalade behind me). For the rest of their lives.
NAV? Get a map. Isn't having a NAV like asking for directions? LOL
-juice
But the kicker is they want all this stuff but they do not want to pay any extra for it. They make the argument well sub 20grand cars now have it.
The point that isn't mentioned is,that sub20 grand car was a sub 17 grand car last year before the bells and whistles were added.
It doesn't matter how you slice it, nothing is for nothing, and car makers are like everyone else, they are not in the business of giving stuff away.
Cheers Pat.
BTW..major satellite data providers are experimenting with ITS right now (intelligent transportation systems) to feed real time data stream into existing formats. Accidents can show up on the NAVI and guide you around chokepoints. Have seen the demos and the funding proposals....can't resist: good luck trying to do that with the map! Seriously, the NAVI is just a smal step to the next big thing that incorporates several real time data streams to help you and others around you get to where you want to go safely and fast...TURBO UP!
Maps are static, you don't know exacly where you are, and it won't tell you where the nearest gas station is nor ATM. You can't be rerouted by a map in the most efficent way when freeways are shutdown or blocked.
Navi that is data-driven like this website is the future, just think... If edmunds was just a chalkboard where people just posted info... Where would we be?
Data is key...