2013 and earlier-Acura TL Prices Paid and Buying Experience

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  • tatonka_usntatonka_usn Member Posts: 6
    Just wanted to see peoples' impression of this deal before I consumate it today. Went to the local Acura dealer, looking for an '04 TL w/o Navi (color was unimportant, but wound up looking at green/parchment). Had a price I was looking at, and wasn't willing to budge. After some hemming and hawing (and my gettig ready to walk out), they finally came down to an agreement on $31.5K, OTD (including TTL). I hadn't been planning on buying that day, as the wife wants to look at/drive the car, but they agreed to hold the price until this afternoon. Seeing the prices everyone is quoting, I'm guessing this is about as good as I'm going to get, pricewise? Should I push for inclusion of the "protection package", mats or anything else for that matter? From the way they were willing to come down on price, they're obviously desperate to get the non-Navi's off the lot, but I don't want to generate any ill will.....;-) Any thoughts/inputs would be greatly appreciated! Thanks!!

    Alan

    P.S. Hokidee, which dealership did you get your TL from?
  • jmaxejmaxe Member Posts: 198
    "but I don't want to generate any ill will"

    I don't understand this statement. You are the buyer here. Push as hard as you are able for the best value to YOU. If the dealer isn't comfortable with the deal then no sale. Remember he's also selling you a potential future profit stream from service work. Good luck.
  • eglewiseglewis Member Posts: 23
    Go for the protection package. As you can see from this forum, most dealers throw this in.
    The non-navs are plentiful, so don't hesitate to get a lower price. What was the actual price they offered ?
    I purchased the green/parchement and am very happy with my decision. Good luck.
  • tatonka_usntatonka_usn Member Posts: 6
    Thanks for the input folks! It's always nice having a sounding board, since we (collectively) go it alone versus car salesmen/women.

    jmaxe: I was being a bit sarcastic with my comment that you quoted. I could honestly care less what they think, and am certainly NOT in this to wind any friends....LOL!! I was pretty zonked when I was there yesterday, and forgot to inquire about some of those "little items" that can sometimes fall through the cracks. That being said, I will certainly address them today (protection kit, tire situation, etc).

    eglewis: I think got the lowest I can, but I'm always leery that they're still holding out (which I'm sure they are). I pretty much gave them invoice price (as per Edmunds), accounted for destination charge, added in TTL, and stuck by my number...31,500, out the door:

    29,700 (invoice ala Edmunds)
       545 (destination)
     1,400 (TTL)
    -------
    31,645

    Hence, as it appears, I'm actually a little...*gasp*....below invoice (er, I think...LOL!!!). If anyone knows where I could try to trim something out, I'd certainly be willing to give it a shot. As mentioned, I'll get them to add in the protection package, but am not sure what else I can try for? Ultimately, I'm not beholden to them in particular, and have no problem walking away, if necessary. I've got a little time to play with, and the ball really IS in their court...:-)
  • dulnevdulnev Member Posts: 652
    Don't forget that you'd be hit with a Documentation fee once you get down to signing the contract. That's $249 at Pohanka and $149 (I think) at Radley. I would think you're buying from one of these two dealerships.

    But even with this fee, you've negotiated an AMAZING deal! It shows how badly Acura miscalculated with NAVI vs. non-NAVI ratios. Pohanka's site shows 60 non-NAVI cars in the inventory. I know that about 5 of them are probably sold, but that's still a HUGE number.
  • tatonka_usntatonka_usn Member Posts: 6
    OOPS, my appologies for double posting....LOL!!! Not exactly sure how THAT happened....*scratched head*

    Dulnev: Pretty good call there on your part. The deal I negotiated was at Pohanka, and yes, they've got a TON of TL's (w/o Navi) on the lot. I was never really interested in a $2K+ "toy", so going w/o the Navi was never even a second thought (no offense to everyone, but I can read a map....LOL!!). They tried to start me at $32.5K, out the door, but I told them they were WAY off what I could/would afford to spend (particularly in light of the fact that they have SO many non-Navi's just sitting there). I gave them the numbers I posted, told them I was willing to finance $6k (which I'm pre-approved through my Credit union at 2.9%), and that I would have payments of NO MORE than $185/month. Forunately the settlement from my last car (BMW 325) will bring me about $26K, so I could work with these numbers. Them hemmed & hawwed, and when I got up to leave, the sale's manager said "I'll give you your price if you buy it today". Strangely enough, "end of month" was magically extended for a day....LOL!! Was actually not able to make it back up with the wife last night(she wants to drive the car before buying), but they agreed to take my credit card to hold the car through today (shocker). To be honest, I'm not usually much of a negotiator, but the combination of them being SO overstocked, and me being SO sleep deprived (lousy work schedule), made for a good combination. I was irritable enough to walk, and they seemed to sense it....LOL!!

    Ironically, I'd actually gone to Radley on Saturday to do the first test drive, as they're only 15 minutes from my house. Unforunately (for me) they were swamped, and i knew there was NO WAY I'd get any kind of a deal. I let it go, and moved on to test drive some other stuff.

    As for the "documentation fee" that VA dealers are so kind as to add, like I told them at Pohanka, "$31.5 out the door....period". I have no problem walking away at this point, as I'm still contemplating an Accord (if necessary). I know, I know....I read ALL the posts yesterday on the TL Vs Accord page, but it's an option I'll keep open (for leverage, if nothing else)
  • tatonka_usntatonka_usn Member Posts: 6
    OOPS, my appologies for double posting....LOL!!! Not exactly sure how THAT happened....*scratched head*

    Dulnev: Pretty good call there on your part. The deal I negotiated was at Pohanka, and yes, they've got a TON of TL's (w/o Navi) on the lot. I was never really interested in a $2K+ "toy", so going w/o the Navi was never even a second thought (no offense to everyone, but I can read a map....LOL!!). They tried to start me at $32.5K, out the door, but I told them they were WAY off what I could/would afford to spend (particularly in light of the fact that they have SO many non-Navi's just sitting there). I gave them the numbers I posted, told them I was willing to finance $6k (which I'm pre-approved through my Credit union at 2.9%), and that I would have payments of NO MORE than $185/month. Forunately the settlement from my last car (BMW 325) will bring me about $26K, so I could work with these numbers. Them hemmed & hawwed, and when I got up to leave, the sale's manager said "I'll give you your price if you buy it today". Strangely enough, "end of month" was magically extended for a day....LOL!! Was actually not able to make it back up with the wife last night(she wants to drive the car before buying), but they agreed to take my credit card to hold the car through today (shocker). To be honest, I'm not usually much of a negotiator, but the combination of them being SO overstocked, and me being SO sleep deprived (lousy work schedule), made for a good combination. I was irritable enough to walk, and they seemed to sense it....LOL!!

    Ironically, I'd actually gone to Radley on Saturday to do the first test drive, as they're only 15 minutes from my house. Unforunately (for me) they were swamped, and i knew there was NO WAY I'd get any kind of a deal. I let it go, and moved on to test drive some other stuff.

    As for the "documentation fee" that VA dealers are so kind as to add, like I told them at Pohanka, "$31.5 out the door....period". I have no problem walking away at this point, as I'm still contemplating an Accord (if necessary). I know, I know....I read ALL the posts yesterday on the TL Vs Accord page, but it's an option I'll keep open (for leverage, if nothing else)
  • theclutchtheclutch Member Posts: 21
    31.5 out of door ? thats amazeing price...
    anyone can provide any info in So Cal priceing
    and which dealer ?
  • johnny420johnny420 Member Posts: 473
    You will double (or triple) post if you hit the refresh button after posting your message.

    Johnny
  • patpat Member Posts: 10,421
    Yes, that's one of the quirks of the software here. Using the "Recent Msgs" link on the page bar is the best way to refresh after posting.

    But not to worry, you also can delete all those extra posts! There's always a blue delete button to the right of your posts (provided you are logged in, of course).

    Hope this helps. :)
  • mfree09mfree09 Member Posts: 5
    Hi all, I am new to the sight. I would some pointers on buy the 2004 TL in Northern VA. I never seriously considered the TL before(I was looking at the A6, however a trusted relative suggested that I give them serious consideration. I didn't giggle like a school girl during my experience (but I REALLY WANTED TO....lol) I was very impressed with the handling of the vehicle ( The switch to manual shift in the automatic was sweet and the way the vehicle automatically downshifts for you....all I can say is WOW) Can anyone provide feedback that will be helpful in me negotiating the best deal for purchasing one. I've been bitten by the TL bug and I need to scratch....lol Thanks
  • hokiedeehokiedee Member Posts: 4
    at Pohanka 31500 included TTL .

    30299 included destination. Pohanka's $249 garbage fee + TTL. I had purchased a 97 CL from there and have been real impressed with the level of service. I got the price I wanted.
  • dulnevdulnev Member Posts: 652
    Well, if you scroll up couple messages, you would see posts from tatonka_usn about his buying experience and the totally AMAZING price at Pohanka Acura in Chantilly, VA.

    Glad you took someone's advice and good hooked on the TL ;-)
  • tatonka_usntatonka_usn Member Posts: 6
    Pat: Thanks, I felt a bit silly when I kept double posting....LOL!!!

    Hokiedee: Good to hear that they're giving out such good deals on a regular basis. My wife and I are going to make one stop at the Honda dealer (just to satisfy her) then head back up to Pohanka to get the car....:-)
  • pmf13pmf13 Member Posts: 68
    I signed the papers today for my TL and took the car for a pre-delivery (and pre-prep) ride to test it out for build quality. Even though it was fresh off the truck, it rode like a dream; solid as a rock with no discernible rattles at a variety of highway and local speeds over some pretty rough roads. Hope it stays that way.

    I worked through a broker to get $1245 Cdn off MSRP on a Desert Mist AT/Navi model with wheel locks, trunk tray and winter mats thrown in. Dealers here in Toronto are still selling Navis at MSRP, so he earned his keep on this one. He also bumped the initial offer on my 97 Maxima trade in by $300.

    This combination (Navi and Desert Mist) is apparently a rare one and there was only one in Ontario and no more expected for 3 months. The dealer was about to trade it, but my broker acted fast and snagged it for me. He brings it to my door prepped and licensed and will drive away in the Max on Thursday morning.

    I couldn't be happier, but I suspect it will be a few weeks before my left foot stops looking for a clutch. After all, there's been one there for the past 30 years.
  • bodble2bodble2 Member Posts: 4,514
    Congrats! How much did you get for your '97 Max on the trade?
  • msf2msf2 Member Posts: 88
    That's fantastic...enjoy! Did you decide on tires yet?
    I brought Falken 512's to the dealer today so they can swap them out for the Turanza's when the car comes in. I have a Redondo Red/Parchment/Navi just off the line, on the truck, and on it's way.
    Hope to get it no later than Saturday. I'll hit Niagara on the Lake in a few weeks for my first road trip.....
  • john_ohiojohn_ohio Member Posts: 3
    I tell you, how did we buy cars before places like this.

    Test drove the TL at my Toledo/Sylvania Ohio dealer two weeks ago. Fell in love with the manual with Nav. Even though my lease is not up till July, I told the sales guy, give me a ball park lease price (sign and drive, I have a Honda lease now, so security dep. is waived) for 4 years, 12k. He said $485. Add $50 for nav. Based the $485 on Cap cost of $32k. Run the lease numbers, he is certainly killing me on the money factor.

    No problem. Check out here, find Nav. prices for $33,500 or so and non nav. of $31,000 or so. Email him with those, and the current money factor and residuals from Honda, giving monthly payments of $390 for non nav. (compared to his $485) and $475 for nav. (compared to $535).

    He says he can work with those numbers and "make my case for me". Whatever. You would think when a customer gives a sales guy that much info (and he knows there are 15 dealers within 170 miles) he can stop playing the word games.

    Long and short of it, we agreed to talk again when I need to order on May 1, and price will be in the range I told him (of course, prices are headed down, not up, so mine will be going down too).

    Anyway, I will update when I get a final number worked out, but if I had to pull the trigger today, I would be getting 6-speed Nav with PP for $33,500. We will see if I can get that down in the next two months.
  • pmf13pmf13 Member Posts: 68
    Thanks guys.

    bodble2 - I got 7K for the Max. It was less than I hoped for, but it was a 5 speed and had 183K on it making it hard to sell privately.

    msf2 - I've pared the decision down to Michelin Pilot Sport A/S and the Falken 512. I basically depends on price and which dealer will give me a changeover price and take the OEMs. I'll let you know how it turns out.
  • kahunahkahunah Member Posts: 448
    Looks like bodble2's the only one left. :-)
  • hoyahenryhoyahenry Member Posts: 399
    The TMV for 5AT no-navi is now $30299 in NVA, right?

    Oh well, I guess I did not get such a great deal after all.

    Out of principle, I'd take my business to Falls Church, but that's just me.
  • danny1878danny1878 Member Posts: 339
    come on bodble2, pull the trigger. :-)

    You did good hoyahenry, I paid more than you did. I wish I had the nav one but the fun of having this car make me forget. :-)

    ---
  • theclutchtheclutch Member Posts: 21
    after emailing to several dealer in So Cal,
    lowest i've got is 31300 for auto/without any pkg.
    probably can get couple hundred lower when sitting down to negotiate, but its nothing like 30200 like some of the east coast ppl are getting... anybody here in So Cal can give me some help ?
  • bodble2bodble2 Member Posts: 4,514
    I did pull the trigger! Back in February. My car (Abyss Blue, Camel w/Nav) is supposed to be here sometime in April. Technically there is no binding contract at this time since it is subject to re-appraisal of my trade at that time but the salesperson said they will likely stick with the same value that they quoted me in February. So, barring any last minute surprises, I should be a proud owner just like you guys next month. (All the reports about rattles have me a bit rattled though :) )
  • jusunijusuni Member Posts: 9
    Hello all. I’m new to the Edmunds.com Town Hall but I have really enjoyed reading everyone’s posts. Very helpful.

    Like about half of you here, I am looking to purchase a ’04 TL (AT w/ navigation). I live in the San Fernando Valley in Los Angeles and the nearest convenient Acura dealership is Keyes Acura off of Van Nuys Blvd. Needless to say that will be my initial stop when shopping for the TL unless anyone else has any recommendations on another dealership in the area that you have had a really good experience with.

    Any info on pricing would be a huge help also. From what I have read, the Navi. versions are a bit more rare and therefore a bit more pricey, any comments? Is $31,000 – $32,000 wishful thinking on my part?

    Thank you in advance for your response and keep up the good posts!
  • moeronnmoeronn Member Posts: 34
    theclutch - 31,300 seems like a decent deal, but you are right, you might be able to get a little lower with in-person negociations. I'll be shooting for closer to 31k even. I don't see us getting the same deals they are getting on the East out here in So Cal. I'll post how my negotiations go - hopefully within a week.

    jusuni - I have heard some good thing about Keyes Acura on another message board, though I have no personal experience with them. To be honest, trying to get 31-32K on a navi model is not wishful thinking, it's more like dreaming. Invoice on the Navi is over 32k (including destination charge) and most dealers are charging very near MSRP on them. If you get close to 1k off MSRP, it is probably a good deal. Good luck.
  • jusunijusuni Member Posts: 9
    Thanks moeronn, I’ll definitely post how things went for me after the transaction. Your reply was about what I was gathering from everyone else’s posts. It makes me wonder if the Navi will be worth the extra bucks but I’ll ask that question on the regular Acura TL message board. Once again, thanks for everyone’s input on this board!
  • theclutchtheclutch Member Posts: 21
    ya, i hear some good thing about Keys also. please keep us update on how ur negociation goes.
    i will probably order the car by the end of this week...
  • jusunijusuni Member Posts: 9
    theclutch - So are you saying that this car is so few in number that there won't be any on the lot? I've done plenty of research online but have yet to test drive one or even begin to negotiate with a dealership. I know that the MT Navi models are scarce but I didn't know they were that scarce.
  • moeronnmoeronn Member Posts: 34
    jusuni - if you are looking for a particular color combination, you will most likely have to order - and wait upwards of 4 weeks for the car to arrive. You might be able to find a couple 6MT/Navis on the lot, but there will not be much of a selection.
  • dbacksfan1dbacksfan1 Member Posts: 12
    Please excuse me for breaking in...

    Can anyone recommend an Acura dealer in Arizona? Details regarding your deal and experience would be helpful.

    Incidentally, I'm looking for a non-nav TL.

    Also was the 2.9% financing extended?

    Thanks!
  • rorororo Member Posts: 8
    Here's the deal I got last Friday (Feb.27) in Plano, TX:

    2004 TL non-Navi, Silver exterior, Ebony interior
    $31700 (includes dest charge)
    + ttl
    + 6.5% sales tax

    They also threw in tint (black all around), all-weather mats, and wheel locks. So with these extras, I guess I didn't really feel that bad paying $1K over invoice. Plus I got the 2.9% financing from American Honda.

    I also traded in a 91 Mazda for its KBB value of $700. (They wanted to pay $500 for it at first but I wanted to pay $31000 even and they accepted.)

    I think I did ok considering the extras above and the trade-in (the Mazda also had dings from a recent hailstorm).

    After reading some recent articles in this forum, it looks like some folks are getting some decent TL deals around the country. (Any recent buying experiences from anyone in Texas? TIA ...)
  • sr_shahsr_shah Member Posts: 16
    Number of people posted 2.9-3.9% APR through Acura/Honda financing. However, www.acura.com and www.hondafinancialservices.com do not have any offers at all for financing new 04 TL. Are these offers through Honda or local dealers?

    Thx
  • jusunijusuni Member Posts: 9
    Thanks, moeronn. It’s good to know in advance that a wait may be necessary. After all of the positive consumer reviews, not to mention the Consumer Reports seal of approval, I am chomping at the bit to get my hands on one.
  • rorororo Member Posts: 8
    sr_shah,

    The 2.9% financing was mentioned to me by a friend. I don't know where he heard it from but he knew I was interested in an Acura. The dealership nor the Acura website wasn't even advertising it. But when I asked, they said they'll check and they accepted. They also said it expired last weekend. That was here in Plano, TX anyway. I'm not sure about the rest of the country.
  • brew99brew99 Member Posts: 86
    Great price on the nav model, congrats! Did you end up getting a comparable non-nav price? Let us know how the tires go. Bobble....no rattles here!
  • buzzadorbuzzador Member Posts: 5
    In the upper left hand corner of the world, prices seem to be high for TLs. As an Oregon resident there are zero sales taxes assessed me for a car purchased either in Oregon or Washington. Obviously, this creates a strong incentive for me to buy in one of these states. However, as stated, its almost always MSRP. Someone is buying up here. Love to hear their experience.
  • bodble2bodble2 Member Posts: 4,514
    How many miles you got on your baby now?
  • chris19006chris19006 Member Posts: 4
    Hi Everyone! Is $33210 (1000 over invoice) a realistic price for a 2004 TL with Nav? I'm seriously considering this car and wonder what kind of deal I can expect. Thanks in advance
  • cjs2002cjs2002 Member Posts: 341
    considering a TL ... debating it against a G, the TLs interior is what gets me I love it... but was wondering how well they've been selling for... I'm not really interested in one with a Nav, less I can get a really good deal on it... but hows it been with the non nav TLs I'm probably going to lease and I'm making my decision befor the month is out so I can get it in april please help... really need to figure this out fast... don't care to wait anylonger....hahahah thank you
  • capmcapm Member Posts: 2
    I called Sprint again today, and they FINALLY have the T608 available for purchase. I ordered mine directly from them over the phone for $199. I can't wait to get it set up next week.
  • glenski01glenski01 Member Posts: 44
    I am trying to help a friend purchase a non navi TL automatic,and she was quoted MSRP more than once. I try to help her out and same thing!, so far the metro area dealers appear basically non negotiable and claim MSRP or small amount below MSRP is it,they say due to demand. Anyone have any experience buying an Acura in Colorado?
  • bmacbmac Member Posts: 7
    Please provide information on pricing for a 6MT w/Nav in Michigan. I have received one quote for $1500 off MSRP. Also, does anyone have invoice pricing for the following accessories: wing spoiler, PP, and all season mats. What is a realistic price for labor charges for installing the wing spoiler?
  • cjs2002cjs2002 Member Posts: 341
    I'm going to lease the car, so does anyone know what kind of deal me and my father can negotiate out on a non nav TL, and what the payments would be... I want to keep them below 430 more closer to like 380 if I can....(but that depends on price I think) my uncle has perfect credit and my credit score is in the 700s. since I'm 20 my uncle is co signing it for me so I can use his credit rating... any ideas?
  • jmaxejmaxe Member Posts: 198
    I looked extensively into leasing a TL before I ended up buying an Accord EX-V6(got it for $10k less than the TL so I bit). The basic difference between a buy vs lease price is the $550 lease acquisition fee that Honda Finance adds to the purchase price that you negotiate. Sometimes they might hide that fee and/or a security deposit in a higher money factor but you should get ALL the numbers, including 36 and 48 month residual %s and money factors, then run them through a calculator like Lease Wizard to figure your different monthly payment scenarios. Car_man, host of the Lease forum, can find out current rates for you or else just do a search in that forum. Good luck.
  • acuralover1acuralover1 Member Posts: 2
    buzzador-we just bought a TL w/Nav in the Seattle area from Acura of Lynnwood. Worked with the internet manager, Minh. Although we paid MSRP, we were able to get more accessories than the standard protection package thrown in. Minh was very nice to work with. The dealership itself has a second sticker. HOWEVER, as long as you talk to Minh over the internet first, the second sticker does not enter into the equation at all. Even if it did, just tell him that you will not deal on second sticker. Personally, I don't think there is anything wrong in asking for anything you want, since you're the buyer. Let me know if you need any further info.

    BTW, Hinshaw's Acura basically screwed us by selling the car that we had been negotiating over the phone that day, and we were just about to drive to the dealership to finalize the deal. Seattle Acura was absolutely unwilling to deal, and they have a 4-8wk wait. Bellevue Acura never returned calls or email until we were sitting at the Lynnwood Acura.
  • brew99brew99 Member Posts: 86
    Bobble - I passed the ceremonial 1000k mark this morning which according to the manual is the recommended break-in period. Still loving it. I do have a couple of things I will have to get in to the dealership with. Tires are definitely flatspotting and a slight vibration kicks in between 90 and 100k. I don't expect them to do anything about this of course but will add my displeasure with the tires to hopefully others who are doing the same thing. She tends to pull to the left while on a straight away a little so I suspect a possible tire balancing issue. The heater also does not seem to be adjusted properly as it feels a little cold. I have been leaving the auto climate control at 23 or 24 Celsius which is warmer than I would normally choose and it still feels a little cold some times. Not too concerned with either of these issues though, car is great overall. Finally had a chance to do my first wash job today, weather is finally warm enough (sort of - 6 degrees celsius). The Abyss Blue looks fantastic although it will definitely require plenty of washes to keep it clean.
  • levlev Member Posts: 2
    First of all a lot of thanks to guys who wrote about good ( some say unbelievable ;-) ) deals in NoVa. Now it's my turn to help others!
    Purchased today: non-navi AT anthracite/ebony at Radley Acura in Falls Church. Had absolutely wonderful buying experience: showed them the printout about 31.5K out the door deals from this forum, they agreed immediately: I drove a wonderful car off the lot 2 hours later. Tried to get the same deal from Pohanka 2 days ago: they tried to haggle and in the end didn't agree. In general I like Radley much much better even though I live close to Pohanka. One more nice touch: Radley gives you 2 years of free maintenance if you buy in March ( Pohanka doesn't ).
  • hoyahenryhoyahenry Member Posts: 399
    Did you finance through Honda? If so, what was the rate?
  • levlev Member Posts: 2
    I financed through my credit union ( penfed, 3.49% for 60 months, still available there ). Radley offered me Honda financing but it had higher interest eventhough still decent ( 3.67% for 60 months), unfortunately the 2.9%/60 financing is not available this weekend ( they did have it a week ago )
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