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Infiniti M35/M45 2006+

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  • carnaughtcarnaught Member Posts: 3,582
    Monster: Haven't noticed a glare problem. Do you have tinted windows?
  • cosmog91cosmog91 Member Posts: 7
    I read this site for several weeks before buying an M35 tech/journey. It was a great help in selecting the right model for the best price. My feedback after 2 weeks and about 1,300 miles...

    What I tried: A6, 530i, GS and M35. My last two cars were a 528 and 530 but I hate the Bangle designs and unreliability of my last 530. I liked the A6 but it seemed underpowered and didn't make financial sense, besides, along for a test drive my 16 year old son told the salesman that dad "would never figure out the nav". The GS was too mellow and gave the impression of a small trunk and back seat. The M seemed the most Bimmer-like and price wise allowed me to get the extra tech that was much more in the other cars.

    My choice: Once I decided on the M I struggled between the Sport and standard M35 (So. Cal. we don't need an "X"). Since I spend up to four hours each day in the car and on good to awful roads the "Sport" lost. Contrary to some posts here, I find the ride less noisy than the 530. With the terrific stereo who can hear the tires!

    Shopping and dealing: showroom salesmen were a waste of time. I knew more about the car from following this site than they after their "extensive" training. I used Edmund's for internet responses and bought from the first guy to call, Jeff Bounds at Infiniti Santa Monica (about $2,500 off). To be expected, at delivery the tires were over inflated.

    Learning to drive it: I'm just getting the hang of the tech which requires actually reading the manual over and over for a tech-challenged 55 year old. My 14 year old video game addict son was a big help. The location of the screen is great for heads-up driving. Voice commands are less than predictable and I speak with a very standard Western English. "v" doesn't usually register and "California" reads as Illinois.

    Bluetooth: Motorola Cingular V551 worked great after a third read of the manual. A few quirks but download is fine.

    Misc.: mileage - 18 town, 25 highway. Cruises great at high speed with no wheel wobble. There is high glare on the display even with tint. I'd given up on music radio and only listened to talk but XM had renewed my love for Jazz and Classical music. I don't know much about audio but the Bose is the better than anything I've had. The front end looks too good to wreck with a license plate, may chance a ticket. Haven't noticed many looks or had many enquiries here in car jaded in L.A.

    Any owners notice low pressure in windshield washers?

    Sorry to ramble on, hope it helps someone.
  • a6_to_m35a6_to_m35 Member Posts: 43
    Great "real world" review. Thanks! It sounds as if the "$2500 off" is the regular deal nowadays. That is also about $2k over invoice.

    I wonder how long it will take for a $500 over invoice deal to be made. My guess is the slow July-August time frame.

    I had made a deal for $3k off--but the salesman was confused. After doing all the numbers with him on the phone--including sales price, residual and money factor, I came up with a $630 monthy lease.

    When I went in to finalize, the selling price of the car mysteriously was up $650. Also money factor was higher--as was residual.

    Whatever was said was water under the bridge--and I offered $1500 over invoice for a Diamond/Graphite M35x w Journey and Tech.

    The deal was refused. Even if I agreed to the price, they could not assure me when the car would come in--as it is the "holy grail" of colors and accesories.

    I will wait until things cool down a bit as supply meets demand. It should take about six months after the cars introduction--plus August is a very slow month.
  • dl7265dl7265 Member Posts: 1,381
    Our Company was offered 1% over invoice on any cadi/infiniti from a local cadi/infiniti manager. Does any one know what the MF and residual is on a M35 base car ?

    DL
  • a6_to_m35a6_to_m35 Member Posts: 43
    I don't know about the base model--but with journey and tech and for 15k:

    Money Factor: .00208=4.99%
    Residual: 61%

    1% or about $500 over invoice is an unheard of deal at this time. Care to share your dealer?
  • waydewayde Member Posts: 198
    Wondering if anyone can share their lease deals on the base M35? Thanks!
  • blov8rblov8r Member Posts: 567
    Haven't had a problem. Yes, my windows are tinted (AZ standard) but I can't imagine a glare issue other than possibly on a particular angle of light entering the vehicle and that's only a few degrees of the compass. You can brighten and dim the screen, of course. Bart
  • bob4112bob4112 Member Posts: 1
    currently driving a benz 430S...would a sport m45 be an improvement? Anyone know 0-60 time for m45? loved my 91 q45, hated the 2000. Perhaps another chance. Thanks!
  • jrock65jrock65 Member Posts: 1,371
    An M45 Sport would be an improvement over the S430 in terms of driving dynamics.

    The fastest 0-60 time for the M45 so far is 5.3s.
  • mjbauermjbauer Member Posts: 19
    Impressive. I was told that Infiniti is not yet offering any price breaks on M cars, even to employees?
  • dxcoquidxcoqui Member Posts: 25
    Went to my local Infiniti dealer and they said that their residuals are...

    74% for 24 months 15k or 12k miles (can't remember which)
    63% for 36 months 15k miles.

    They first said that they would accept VPP pricing for "Business Associates", but when I went to see them, they said NO, only for Nissan/Infiniti employees. They said they could do $1000 off MSRP. I will probably will go and talk to the Sales Manager tomorrow and see what he has to say. I am looking for a M35x with Journey and Navigation system, splash guards and maybe satellite radio.

    It is weird, they also said that they do not order cars. They check the port of entrance (NJ in this case) to see if the car I want is coming. That is their "ordering" process. I live in Rochester, NY and there is only one dealership in my area. I could go to Buffalo or Syracuse also, but definetly prefer staying local. What do you guys think of all this???

    BTW - I did test drove the car and it was awesome. As somebody said before, I knew more about the car than the sales person, but she was very nice at least. I will let you know how negotiations go. If/when they do VPP pricing I could save about $3500 which will help offset the trade-in loss I would have to take.

    Thanks,
    dxCoqui
  • drtraveldrtravel Member Posts: 395
    Keep an eye on the Money Factor - dealers love to jack this up.

    Last month the money factor was 0.00173 for 36 months and 0.00175 for 39/42 months - this is with a one month security deposit. Without the security deposit the rates increase to 0.0188 and 0.00190.

    Edmunds has an excellent leasing forum - the moderator has all the latest deals.
  • gtr49gtr49 Member Posts: 7
    Is anyone else bothered by lack of front passenger seat lumbar support in car of this price range? Love the M35x but wife finds passenger seat very uncomfortable without lumber support. Can anything be done about this? This could be a deal breaker. Thanks for any input.
  • fedman98fedman98 Member Posts: 5
    I think $1500 over invoice is a fair price. I recently visited an Infiniti dealer in the Bay Area and they had a lot of M35 & 45s on the lot. They are obviously not flying out the door. Give it till August/Sept 2005 and $500 over invoice will be in site.
  • tmitchtmitch Member Posts: 14
    How much have people been paying for tinted windows? I'm closing in on a deal for an M35 and was trying to have that thrown into the deal if possible. Especially with all the talk of the glare on the navigation screen.
  • a6_to_m35a6_to_m35 Member Posts: 43
    Money factor went up for May--but so did residuals. I was quoted 61% for 39 mths. and 15k.
  • easypasseasypass Member Posts: 5
    Great car!! Any ideas as to how to best set up the sound system for the 14 speaker Bose system? It seems like I cannot get alot of sound out of the speakers in the seats.... any special functions that will allow the best sound to come out? I am using DVD recordings with 5.1 settings! Also, any place to purchase the DVD's that have a good selection?
    Thanks!
  • richcreamrichcream Member Posts: 205
    I noticed the same thing with the seat mounted speakers (not a whole lotta sound coming out) and I think this is because they are more "tweeters" than speakers. That is, they are there to enhance the highs and mid-range sound.

    I could be wrong, as I have not yet read the manuel in my first 16 days of ownership. Too busy driving.
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Member Posts: 5,343
    I had some road noise issues with my Audi allroad -- I had upgraded the wheels and tires to 18" (245 x 45) same as the M35X.

    I am not suggesting that you immediately scrap your new tires (unless you want to, of course) -- but I switched to Falken Azenis ST115's in the size noted above and the car became almost completely devoid of tire noise.

    FWIW.
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Member Posts: 5,343
    I played with an M35X's sound system (Tech) -- the seat speakers seem to be more like the surround speakers in a 5.1 Home Theater set up -- more for effects, fill and to better enable the audible sensation of "separation." I would not expect that they would be full range speakers, perhaps upper mid-range and tweeters (tweeters and the frequencies they produce are very directional and would be a natural for the separation effect function).

    The Tech sound system is "second only" to an Acura DVD-Audio sound system I had the pleasure of test driving late last year.

    On the other hand, my wife's new X3 with the upgraded sound and Sirius radio is very nice too -- but unlike the M, the BMW is pure stereo -- NOT surround sound.

    The M is (with DTS or DVD-Audio) a surround system and with well produced discs will provide more depth than stereo. The fact that there is very little DVD-Audio available and the fact that there are some superior stereo CD's does tend to make me somewhat more concerned about how the system sounds with "plain old stereo."

    My neighbor got a new HDTV and he is not too happy with it when it displays SDTV (90%+ of the content that he watches) -- sure it looks great in HDTV, but he rarely gets to take advantage of it in that mode. So SDTV looks only fair (washed out -- plasma, you know). Likewise, I was interested in the sound of the M's audio system with a stereo CD. I took Brian Wilson's Smile for that task and the DVD-Audio of Fourplay for the full-on surround. The M Tech sound system is "up there" with the best I've heard.

    Another good test or two is Santana's Abraxas in DTS and Diana Krall in stereo.

    Sirius channel 16 (the Vault) has Pink Floyd and other 70 - 80's "progressive rock" groups, including Yes, Cream, etc -- they sound great on the X3's stereo only set up -- I assume they will translate nicely to the M's system too. Time will tell.
  • docnukemdocnukem Member Posts: 485
    I, too, have not noticed any problem with glare on the screen. If some people are having problems, could it be between the two different screens? I believe the base M has a 7-inch screen and the NAV or tech package changes that to an 8-inch. The other (nice) thing I noticed is that even with polarized lenses, the screen is easily readable. True, you can turn your head funny and make it dimmer, but it never fades to black like some LCD screens.
  • lexusguylexusguy Member Posts: 6,419
    "My neighbor got a new HDTV and he is not too happy with it when it displays SDTV (90%+ of the content that he watches) -- sure it looks great in HDTV, but he rarely gets to take advantage of it in that mode. So SDTV looks only fair (washed out -- plasma, you know)."

    Thats why I refuse to give up my "outdated" CRT rear-pro Hitachi. Much better color and the black level mops the floor with any 720p or even 1080p digital display I've tried (and I've tried quite a few). Plus, it can actually handle horrible analog NTSC broadcast.

    Mark, in my experience, having surround is ALWAYS better. While there are plenty of stereophiles who would argue (a steadily declining number though) at home I listen to my old fashioned stereo CDs in DPL-II music or one of the Parasound's DSP modes. 5 is better than 2.
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Member Posts: 5,343
    I'm with you -- on both counts: CRT TV's can produce "the color black," only the super expensive non-CRT displays can do that (and usually no bigger than 50".) Of course if you have an extra $14,000 there is an impressive Sony 70" true HDTV just coming to market -- it is as good as or better than the $1,999 Sony or Pioneer Elite or Hitachi RPTV's but only a bit. It is brighter, overall -- but not worth the extra $12,000 if you can watch your DVD's or HD in a mostly dark room (which I can and do.)

    Anyway, surround sound is, I agree (almost) always better. Some of the early stuff is surround for the sake of surround and it adds nothing to the music. The Inifiniti sound system with both of the reference discs I brought with me is, as noted, darn near the best I've ever heard. And, as part of the technology package, it is (all things considered and considering the competition) a good value.

    My primary problem with some of these in car systems (especially if they are from Bose) is they can be boomy if not tuned properly -- and it seems the boominess is put there to "impress" for the test drive rather than for the long haul.

    But, with the M system, that is mainly an adjustment issue and therefore a NIT.
  • tayl0rdtayl0rd Member Posts: 1,926
    I KNOW at least one of you has the Sport w/ bourbon interior, so I'll repost my question:

    The thought just occurred to me. The only Sport models I've seen have had either the graphite or the stone interior. The graphite has the stone inlay that trims the seams of the seats. I didn't notice what color it is in the stone interior. Does anybody know what color the inlay is on the bourbon interior?

    I imagine that would be quite icky if it's stone. Black (graphite) would look cool, though. IIRC, someone here has a Sport with bourbon interior. What color is your seat trim?
  • lexusguylexusguy Member Posts: 6,419
    Sony's Qualia "SXRD" stuff is pretty impressive. I had planned to stop by their new Qualia showroom the last time I was in Manhattan but I couldnt work it into my schedule. Not that I'd actually consider buying that monster though (or pay that much for a microdisplay rear-pro with maybe an 8,000 hour bulb life). I'm sure in maybe one or two more generations of chips, TI will match them (or beat them) on image quality at half the cost. There's also yet another digital display technology that Canon is working on (as if four werent enough) thats supposed to be spectacular.

    When the Hitachi's guns kick the bucket I'm sure my next set will be some sort of digital display, and I'm also sure that those sets will be better than whats currently available by leaps and bounds (and much cheaper as well). But for now, CRT is king.

    I agree about the over-boosted bass (and sometimes boosted treble) in many car stereos. Its the same classic trick that is used in most of the big chain stores to try and sell one speaker set or receiver over another. If its louder, it must be better right?
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Member Posts: 5,343
    Supposedly there is a soon to market upgrade of DLP that will put LCD to shame (it does already in my book) and be as bright as Plasma AND improve on DLP's already "decent" black level.

    For the time being, I will, I suppose be quite pleased with the surround sound in the new M35X.

    Now that my wife has her new car, I am already missing sat radio -- I love the Vault on Sirius.

    Some folks have been pretty negative on Sirius, I can only be positive -- and I cannot be personally negative on XM.

    The good news is for the time being Infiniti offers both!
  • scoop4scoop4 Member Posts: 40
    Another great dvd audio is the Eagles "Hotel California". Here is a link to the review from Sound and Vision magazine.

    http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/article.asp?section_id=1&article_id=321&page_number=1

    The future trend seems to be the dual disks that are cd on one side and dvd video and dvd audio on the other side. The new Bruce Springsteen "Devils and Dust" is a sample of that. I went into a couple of Best Buys looking for DVD Audio disks and found a limited selection. The dual disks are found mixed among the CDs in that music section.
  • blov8rblov8r Member Posts: 567
    You're the first to bring up the ONLY complaint I have about this car, the less than optimal passenger seat adjustments. When the salesman initially drove it I was apalled ... but then I took over the driver seat controls and settled in more comfortably than in any car I've ever had before. Yes, the passenger seat is an Achille's heel for those who notice it's inadequacy. I, of course, will only be over there when we travel long distances and for that kind of travel we'll likely be using my wife's Lexus so it's not a real big issue to us. Oh, and thus far she hasn't uttered a word about the seating so I'm keeping my yap shut! LOL Bart
  • pearlpearl Member Posts: 336
    A friend of mine was all set to buy a new M until he rode in the passenger seat and could not adjust it to suit him. This is a MUST FIX for Infiniti for the next model year. It cannot cost much and definitely would result in more people liking the car.
  • bdkinnhbdkinnh Member Posts: 292
    1) I know that you can't program the NAV using the buttons while driving, but can you do it with voice input?

    2) Does the NAV system only show maps in the "birds eye view" (which looks like it is about a 45 degree 3D view of the map), or can you see it in the more traditional overhead view?

    3) When I look at the Zenrin Web site, it says that the only city it knows about in NH is Nashua. I take that to mean that it won't give turn-by-turn voice prompts for other towns, but what I don't know is whether or not street level maps will even display for other towns. Can anyone that has the NAV system please confirm/deny whether street level maps show for towns that aren't on Zenrin's "detailed towns" page (http://www.zenrin.com/navsoft/dvdDetail.asp)? It seems like their list of known towns is really poor - if it is as bad as it looks, I can't believe that the NAV system is worthwhile, esp. considering that the map is only updated once a year.

    4) Does anyone know if the NAV manual is available as a PDF anywhere? I already have the owners manual and service manual, but I'd love to read the NAV manual as well.

    Thanks!
  • bdkinnhbdkinnh Member Posts: 292
    I know that Nissan had an across-the-board price increase on May 5th, but I can't seem to find anything specific to the M. The only thing I can find online is an "average of 0.5%" for all models.

    I was at a dealer a few days ago, and they said that the price increase for the M was 1%. Has anyone heard anything different, or been able to find anything online?
  • bdkinnhbdkinnh Member Posts: 292
    Whoops - forgot a question: can you set waypoints? In other words, could I set a route to destination D via destinations A, B, and C?
  • lexusguylexusguy Member Posts: 6,419
    I really dont like the "DualDisc" format. Phillips says the "CD" layer is not red book standard and refuses to certify it as CD, so its just called the "non-DVD side" or something to that effect. Most of the major electronics makers have FAQs on their websites about DD and the all say that they dont gaurantee the discs will work at all, that anything besides the traditional "tray" type of loader can damage the disc, and Pioneer and Sony specificaly mention that DualDiscs will jam their changers and are thus unplayable. Additionally, some DDs appear to be DVD-A, where as others are DVD-V format with a Dolby mix of the audio. Thanks but no thanks.
  • monstergermmonstergerm Member Posts: 23
    Has anybody noticed a slight acceleration lag after pushing down on the gas from a stillstand? The same goes for gearshifting using the manual mode. There seems to be about 1 second delay before the gear shifts.
  • ck369ck369 Member Posts: 1
    Can't decide between the M35 vs M45

    Anybody know how fast the M35 is 0-60?

    Can't find a road test on the M35 only the M45

    Thanks,

    CK
  • bw45sportbw45sport Member Posts: 151
    1) I know that you can't program the NAV using the buttons while driving, but can you do it with voice input?
    Many navigation functions are available via voice input while driving. Some of the levels of "points of interest" aren't but destination by street, phone number, address book are.

    2) Does the NAV system only show maps in the "birds eye view" (which looks like it is about a 45 degree 3D view of the map), or can you see it in the more traditional overhead view?

    Traditional "plan view" is available as well as split screen in either "bird view" or "plan view".

    Can anyone that has the NAV system please confirm/deny whether street level maps show for towns that aren't on Zenrin's "detailed towns" page

    Obviously I can't confirm the detail of street level for all towns that aren't listed but I have found that most of the smaller towns in my area (Nebraska) do show street level detail. Those areas in Omaha that do not provide turn-by-turn "guidance" do still show up on the map.

    The one interesting thing that I have found is that while there have been some enhancements to this system as compared to the one I have in my G35 Coupe, it seems that there are more instances where route guidance ends before you reach your termination point. At this point the system says look at the map to figure out the last few steps. This seems odd to me since the M45 has newer data. I'm not sure but I don't think that Infiniti has changed NAV manufacturers.

    Can you set way points?
    Yes, you can set way points.
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Member Posts: 5,343
    The M transmission on downshifts does have a feature -- rev matching. When driving in 4th for example and requesting a shift to 3rd, the engine's revs will be matched to the anticipated RPM needs that will be required by 3rd.

    Sometimes this is called throttle blipping.

    I don't know about the other symptoms other than to comment "tip lag" by any other name is still a lag.

    Off the line lag, even in a tip, is rare.
  • lexusguylexusguy Member Posts: 6,419
    Check out Motortrend's test of all of the V6 powered cars in the segment here: http://motortrend.com/roadtests/sedan/112_0503_6degrees/

    The M35 should be able to run to 60 in the mid to low 6s.
  • bdkinnhbdkinnh Member Posts: 292
    bw45sport,

    Thank you very much for the answers! That helps a lot.
  • merckxmerckx Member Posts: 565
    I drove one,and I thought it rapid enough. If you really give it the boot,though,it does get a little thrashy. It's really a question of finances...Power is always nice to have,but as the 35 is 10 grand cheaper, I'd say it's easy enough to be happy with it. If you earn $10,000 every few months,by all means go for the V-8.
  • blov8rblov8r Member Posts: 567
    The NAV has several displays, from typical map format to what you're calling 3D. Need to fuss with the settings to get it the way you want. Have the salesman show you ... I'm not much of a manual guy. I can't comment on Nashua NH but I've found my NAV extremely accurate even in remote places in AZ. When I drive into my club it even displays the layout of the golf course, hole by hole. Now if it would only hit the ball for me .... Bart
  • cheerioboy26cheerioboy26 Member Posts: 412
    G35 Sedan $150
    G35 Coupe $200
    M35/M45 $200
    FX35/FX45 $150
    Q45 $200
    QX56 $350
  • dl7265dl7265 Member Posts: 1,381
    Dallas TX. Sorry for the delayed response. I was picking up my New E90 yesterday :). I was asking for a co worker who liked the M. Ill pass it along and let you know if they will honor their offer on the M car's as well. The offer did not say anything about ( excludes X vehicle).

    Regards,
    DL
  • dickster1dickster1 Member Posts: 22
    Turn by turn is not available everywhere. I live in Wilmington, NC and it works for half my area. I spoke with the manufacturer who says it may be changed in the future but no guarantees. They upgrade every fall. I'm disappointed, as I was not told of this lack of coverage when I got my car from a dealer in a different part of the state (no Infiniti dealer in Wilmington).
  • dickster1dickster1 Member Posts: 22
    Based on info I read on some review, 0-60, 5.8 on M45 and 6.3 on M35.
  • tomnhtomnh Member Posts: 12
    My residual is $32,720 on a two year lease
  • tayl0rdtayl0rd Member Posts: 1,926
    :surprise:

    What is that, like, almost a $20,000 depreciation hit in two years??
  • bsc1bsc1 Member Posts: 32
    Got my M35x last Thursday- it's the best car I've ever had. What a pleasure to drive it. I got the twilight blue with wheat interior. No squeaks or rattles- just a comfortable, fast, peppy, hot car. I get lots of comments on the color-there aren't too many around in the blue. If anybody wants to see it, I'll e-mail you a picture.
  • fantomfantom Member Posts: 211
    Do either of these 2006 cars come with a MTX, for those of us who enjoy rowing through the gears while using a clutch?

    I know the manual transmission was available on the 2005s, but I haven't seen any reports of how well the transmission works. Insights would be much appreciated.
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Member Posts: 5,343
    I'd buy one in a heartbeat -- other than the BMW's, it is pretty much impossible to find an LPS w/MTX.
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