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  • designmandesignman Posts: 2,129
    “Rather than try and tinker with the seat which I'm sure BMW Financial Services would frown on, I have vowed to do my homework next time and test drive as many vehicles as I can so this doesn't happen again.”

    The tip mtjohn mentioned takes all of 5 seconds and you can replace the clip. I think this tip actually appears on the BMW website with a photo. I believe it was div2 who gave me the link in the BMW 5-Series Owners: Problems & Solutions thread over a year ago. Look it up, it should still be there. It's actually easier than opening the hood of your car.
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,301
    I posted the seat travel question on the 3-Series Problems and Solutions forum.
  • designmandesignman Posts: 2,129
    I don't know if it's the same on the 330 but it doesn't hurt to look into it. Since you don't know what to look for I can see your trepidation. Either look on the BMW website or throw out the question in either the 5 or 3-series thread. I'm sure div2 or someone else will give you the answer.

    I see you edited your last post. Good, you should get the answer and hopefully you can do it. I was miserably cramped. That little tip was major.
  • disaacdisaac Posts: 15
    the M will be 44 plus -- see the specs on their website.
  • disaacdisaac Posts: 15
    oops -- that's what i get for replying before finishing the thread!! i am 6'3" and have similar issues so i can sympathize. i am also excited about the M for this reason.
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,301
    Well, we will find out next Spring about the legroom issue when we can finally drive the M.
  • I looked at most of the cars listed on this board - the Mercedes, Lexus, BMW, etc. I went with the RL for a number of reasons and, after two weeks with it so far, I love it! Yes, the styling can be a bit 'dull', but it really has some nice lines. The lighting is great with the new led's, the doorhandles are beautiful, the interior is top notch and so ergonomic - the great cupholders alone are worth the cost. The nav and traffic is amazing, though I've learned already (living in LA with the most comprehensive reported system) that it can be a good 10-20 minutes behind what's actual and that can be enough to let you run into a jam, but even with that, the nav is excellent at getting you there with tremendous accuracy (it recalculates so fast if/when you go off the intended route). The bluetooth is awesome ( I have a V710)! The handling is near what my 528 was (ok, I say this with a grain of salt, but for a Japanese car it comes pretty damn close!) with great steering feel, no dead center and great responsiveness. The auto shifts like butter and if you put it in manual mode the paddle shifters work flawlessly. The SH-AWD does a great job if you throw the car into a turn - It's great to watch the dash (when the wheel isn't in the way) and see the graphic of where the car is distrubuting power as it throws the extra power to the outer rear wheel to get you through. The stereo is amazing, especially if you throw in a DVD-audio and enjoy the true 5.1 surround. The active noice-cancelling tech works to really quiet the car to a vault-like silence and makes talking on the phone through the bluetooth a pleasure. I'm not crazy about the button on the handle to lock the doors, an actual button (as my recent Touareg had) worked much better, but it's still a nice feature. The remote has nice range and the lights (which turn with the steering) also work really well to light a turn. I am a bit disappointed in the mileage so far - averaging about 16 mixed with only about 24 on pure highway, not really up to the 18/26 (or so - I can't remember the exact numbers) as predicted. I wish the rear seat folded too, as this is the first japanese car I've known that doesn't, but it's worth it for the sound system, remote-folding hearests and power sunshade - and the great rear sub-woofer. I also wish we (in the US) could get the RL with the air-conditioned seats as I read can be had in Canada - I mean, I live in the hot climate, why do they get it? I wanted to get aftermarket 18" rims (why the hell would I pay the dealer $2,500 for those ugly chrome ones (the only ones they offer) when they'd then take the 17" ones with no exchange...I mean, I will get 18" and then sell my 17" and probably break even and have a hot set of rims. BUT, I can't get any rims yet since Acura apparently changed the lug and hub layout and I wait patiently for the wheel manufactures to create some options for this ride. Ok, I think that's enough...I can go on, but you get the idea...overall it's a great car, no regrets, but there are a few improvements it can make. Oh, one pet peave on the car - even if the light switch is on 'auto' (where you should never have to touch it and it should do its job), the car still beeps at you when you shut the car off and open the door. The only cure is to turn the switch to off (and I usually just return it back to 'auto' so when I re-enter the car they will come on as needed), but, since the dash lights the same way day or night, it is easy (as I have done already) to drive away with the lights out if you thought it was in auto and you are in a city area - that's quite a run-on sentence!

    Any questions?
  • jrock65jrock65 Posts: 1,371
    October 2004 Sales:

    E: 5,011
    5: 4,229
    STS: 2,308
    RL: 1,310
    A6: 534
    GS: 651
    M45: 157

    *Note that the GS, A6, and M are not the next-generation models.


    November 2004 sales:

    E: 4,925
    5: 3,622
    STS: 2,771
    RL: 1,941
    A6: 1,931
    GS: 498
    M45: 123
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    Hm, the RL seems to be doing quite well, I think Acura will be very pleased with those numbers. A6 also picked up some healthy sales. Perhaps, looking at those figures, at the expense of the BMW 5?
  • cove148cove148 Posts: 117

    Good stuff!
    Any information on the Lexus LS?
    Can you share the site that you obtain this information?
  • jrock65jrock65 Posts: 1,371

    Lexus sold 2529 LS, which is best in class.

    The info is available at


    Yep, the RL seems to be doing fine. However, the big test will come when the GS and M come to the market, as they will undoubtedly be the biggest competitors.

    It does look like the A6 took some sales away from the 5, as I'm sure that people who prefer the "German" image and steering feel would have cross-shopped those cars.

    There really doesn't seem to be any duds in this class. Even when the GS and M come out, I expect the RL to sell about 1500 per month, and the GS and M somewhat above that. It's a great time to be shopping in this class.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    Well, the biggest gain for november was A6 with 1500 new sales, and the biggest loser was BMW with 800 lost sales. I think that means you can figure a good portion of those 1500 sales that went to Audi considered the BMW 5 and passed on it.
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    I think some of the "Lost" sales are wait sales. I myself am putting off a purchase until I can get an model with an updated engine.
  • jrock65jrock65 Posts: 1,371
    Is the 5 getting the 255-hp 3.0L engine next year?
  • I believe the new 3.0 will be available in March production cars.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    enough teasing Infiniti! Bring on the car!
  • ha ha. I wonder if they put those pics out sincea red m45 was just spotted on the road and pics appeared on another forum on Thursday. :)
  • r2917r2917 Posts: 67
    The new M sounds like it will be a fantastic car but I am just not feeling the interior. For the most part I like the exterior but the interior layout just looks weird to me.

    I don't like how the stereo controls are totally surrounded by wood and it looks way out of place compared to the nav/climate controls.

    I do like the wheel & instrument cluster housing though.

  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    I actually think the new M has one of the best interiors in the class. Its got the elegance of the new GS, but more flash and pizazz. It doesnt make the mistake of being in a giant's shadow like RL, and it doesnt try to be a HAL 9000 like Audi A6.
  • jrock65jrock65 Posts: 1,371
    I read from a very reliable source on another board that the official horsepower of the M45 will be 335, and not 340. He said that the decrease in hp enabled them to raise torque and still meet EPA requirements. Anyways, the increase in torque resulted in a very impressive 0 to 60 time. All the figures will be release at the Detroit Auto Show.

    Looks like they are hell bent on giving the 545 a run for its money.
  • Does anyone know when the 2006 Lexus GS300 is scheduled to arrive in showrooms? I am considering a new BMW 530 or Acura RL. I have until 4/05 to decide.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    It should be sometime in late march or april, about the same time as the new Infiniti M35\45 is launched. Between the BMW and Acura, get the Acura.
  • laurasdadalaurasdada Posts: 3,097
    When I attended the NE Int'l Auto Show in November, the '06 GS was there. It received absolutely no attention although I checked it out. While an improvement stylistically over the current version (a styling mistake not quite on par with a CTS but just an odd assortment of shapes and sizes. I always think of an egg lying sideways in an egg holder when I see one...?), it still disappointed me.


    The M45 was not available at the show to compare/contrast. The Acura RL was drawing a nice crowd.


    I did get some nice Scion key chains and a very bright red Toyota hat...

    '13 Jaguar XF, possibly my favorite of all the cars I've owned. But, my '09 Jag XK was a beauty, as was my '05 Acura TL, '88 Acura Integra, '84 Mitsubishi Mirage Turbo & '78 VW Scirocco (my first!). And, of course, the '92 Nissan Sentra SE-R and '95 Saab 900s I bought for the ex... Ok, I like a lot of the cars in my life.

  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,301
    Yeah. I saw the new GS in Tampa and it looked disappointingly bloated when viewed from the side. Right-like an egg. Can't wait to see and drive the new M45 in a few months. Photos of the M look much better than the GS.
  • designmandesignman Posts: 2,129
    The new GS looks like Quasimoto. The butt on the M45 is hideous. Those tail lamps have to go.
  • carnaughtcarnaught 'zonaPosts: 2,342
    As observed in the above posts, I also was disappointed with the new GS seen at my local auto show.


    The car from the side is a bloated looking Maxima. The interior (at least in black) was not up to the usual stylish Lexus standards.
  • Bingo. I saw both at the DC Auto Show yesterday. IMHO, the GS is the nicer of the two. Aesthetically, the RL beats them both IF you have the spoiler. Otherwise, the RL is also pretty ho-hum. None of them were getting much attention. The A6, on the other hand, was pretty popular. Huge crowds, and there were 3 on the floor. The Acura had the next largest crowd. While I was there, two or three people were looking at the GS, and nobody was looking at the M--and there was nobody handy to pitch either.


    BTW, I agree with the earlier post that the RL beats the BMW.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    It may all depend on the time, and wether there's any kind of presentation or not. When I was at the NYAS, not a single person was paying any attention to the RL, it was just sitting on the floor with no kind of anything to point out it was a brand new car. The GS and M were on huge rotating platforms, and during the presentations both got big crowds, though the GS's was the bigger of the two. The A6 had more attention than the RL, but not by much. Mercedes was the only area that was mobbed, basically because of the SLR McLaren.
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,301
    Why is it so difficult for some automakers to design appealing vehicles? Why can't they show photos of prospective designs to people like us and get feedback from real people?
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