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Honda Accord Diesel????

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  • nwngnwng Member Posts: 663
    used in the euro accord, crv, civic or whatever honda can throw it into.

    the host was so impressed with the civic hatch (style, feature,price, the magic seat, engine response...), he was closed to speechless when describing how good the car is.

    take a look at the pic of the 5 door hatch, it's looks even more "spaceship" than our civic sedan.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    While I do think it keen that it is the same Honda cTDI motor, we have to temper it a bit with what will actually hit our shores. So for example the VW TDI that hits our shores is while materially the same as in Europe. However it has a lower top end speed, smaller injectors,less hp and torque and perhaps less stout manual transmission!! :):(
  • autoboy16autoboy16 Member Posts: 992
    I agree. Whoever said that we'll have an acura tsx diesel could be on to something since they are the same car. The accord we have is probably just some cheap knock-off with an available v6. It'd be nice if honda brought some some diesel tsx's and some tsx wagons. The last accord wagon was in 1997 and didn't sell bcuz suvs were in. Now they'd be appriciated since they had good gas mileage. I even have a slogan for a tsx wagon.

    The all new Acura Tsx Wagon, A whole new kind of sports utility vehicle.

    Sounds nice right? :shades:
  • corvettecorvette Member Posts: 10,903
    The accord we have is probably just some cheap knock-off with an available v6.

    Not quite. The North America Accord is a completely different vehicle from the Acura TSX/European Accord. The TSX uses the same four-cylinder engine as the NA Accord, but I don't think a V6 will fit. The NA Accord is a larger vehicle than the TSX, and is closer in size to the Acura TL. The TSX is closer in size to the Civic and Jetta.
  • autoboy16autoboy16 Member Posts: 992
    Now it makes perfect sense! Thanks! Since acura is going world wide soon, think acura may go back to nomenclature (regular names) for the us versions? Ex: The NA Acura RL is called the Honda Legend elsewhere. My question is, what will be called what and were? I know its complicated to understand but its more complicated to explain :sick: . What i mean is that there is no point in the japanese having an acura tsx and the accord they have already. Would their Acura tsx be our Honda Accord?
  • kcflyerkcflyer Member Posts: 78
    did a google search for honda, diesel just now. Found several articles about a recent test of the european accord diesel. This thing averaged over 130 mph during a 24 hour endurance test. After that they did a cross country drive and one of the cars achieved 92 miles per gallon. holy cow !
  • arretiumarretium Member Posts: 1
    I'm looking to replace my beater 88 Honda Accord. Since I've driven nothing but a Honda for the last 20 years, I have a bit of loyalty to the company. The problem is that I want a Diesel car because I want to take advantage of biodiesel possibilities.

    I know that Honda produces the diesel engine for the European Accord market. I've called American Honda and asked them if I could buy the motor for a U.S. bound Honda Accord and simply swap out the motors. Unfortunately, I can only talk to customer service representatives and they (at least everyone I've spoken with) don't know how to think outside the box to make my request happen.

    I am willing to pay a reasonable price differential for the Accord diesel. I do not want a hybrid.

    Here's the dilemma.

    I've heard rumors that Honda will sell the Accord diesel for the U.S. market for the 07 or 08 model year. Now if it's 07, I'll wait it out until September and order a new Diesel Accord. If it's 08, I'm sick of waiting and I'm going to just go buy the freakin' Jetta.

    Anyone know anything? All thoughts appreciated.
  • smpoolsmpool Member Posts: 33
    I think the problem with trying to bring Honda's european diesel engine here is the US emission requirements plus the fact the change to the standard for sulfur content of our diesel is just going into effect this year (low sulfer diesel not yet available). I recently saw a speech by the Honda CEO where he said it would 2009 before Honda US 4 cyl diesel engine is ready.
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    I'm sick of waiting and I'm going to just go buy the freakin' Jetta.

    You better not wait long. The Jetta diesel will not be available after August from what I understand. They are building a new engine to comply with the strict new EPA regulations. All I have read they are only bringing the diesel in the Odyssey and Pilot, maybe the end of this year. I would suggest a used VW Diesel. However they are very rare. I just sold my Passat for way more than I paid new last year.
  • ezshift5ezshift5 Member Posts: 858
    ... I would suggest a used VW Diesel

    ..sounds congruent to me.....

    1982 VW Rab Diesel PU.....

    ..could not resist 'rice.

    ..ez..
  • djm2djm2 Member Posts: 712
    Where did you "read" about a diesel Odyssey? I might be interested in that vehicle! ----- Best regards. --- Dwayne
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    I read it here on Edmund's. I am sure it came from this source originally. I thought it was the Pilot instead of the MDX.

    Honda, the world's largest engine maker, aims to sell a U.S. diesel model by 2009, five years after introducing its first such car in Europe. The company has not said which models will be available with its new engine. Takeo Fukui, Honda's president, said last week that diesels may eventually be available in the United States in the Odyssey minivan and Acura MDX

    Honda diesel
  • spurfan15spurfan15 Member Posts: 3
    General thread reply:

    As far as I could tell from the news releases, interviews and speculation, Honda is developing a 4 cyl based on their European 4 cyl Diesel engine, and they're developing a brand new v-6 for the North American market. They've confirmed that the Odyssey and Acura MDX will get one or both of these engines, but I suspect you may see it in more vehicles. Another likely candidate is the Honda Ridgeline.

    As for Honda's sedans, here's my take... I don't think the Civic will be getting a diesel engine. Honda has said they feel hybrids are more appropriate for small vehicles, and I think the Civic qualifies. The Civic hybrid has been reasonably successful, so I think they'll continue with it. I've read some speculation that Honda may actually go all hybrid down the road w/ the Civic. As for the Accord, I think it's a fairly likely candidate for a 4 cyl/v-6 Diesel, maybe both. Honda has its eyes on the power heavy Accord hybrid, which has sold terribly, because people desire economic hybrids, not hybrid muscle cars. I think Honda may pull the hybrid Accord from the road some time in the near future, and a Diesel version would be a great replacement. I hope to see at least one of the sedans get a Diesel engine... a lot of people would buy one.
  • autoboy16autoboy16 Member Posts: 992
    If they do bring it, nows the time as ULSD is out in the states!
  • zigster38zigster38 Member Posts: 117
    Acura will probably throw the 4 cylinder turbo into the tsx in 08, perhaps a turbo diesel?
  • autoboy16autoboy16 Member Posts: 992
    And hopefully throw over a wagon too.
  • spurfan15spurfan15 Member Posts: 3
    Great news! It seems that Honda's first diesel (the four-cylinder) will likely first appear some combo of the Civic, Accord, and CR-V. This means the Accord could very likely see a 4-cyl Diesel by 2009, and I'd guess a V-6 will follow, because of the Accord's larger size. I can't wait!

    link

    When Honda sells its first diesel engine in the United States, it likely will be in the Civic, Accord or CR-V. John Watts, manager of Honda's U.S. product planning, said Honda plans to introduce a clean-burning, 2.2-liter turbodiesel in the United States within three years. "That 2.2 could probably crank out about 200 horsepower and about 220 [foot pounds of] torque at little rpm," Watts said. "Vehicles like the Pilot [SUV] and Odyssey [minivan] are too big for a four-cylinder." Previously Watt told The Plain Dealer that it would be logical to build the new diesel at Honda's engine plant in Anna because it already builds four-cylinder engines with which the diesel might share some components. Anna would also put the source of the little diesel close to Marysville and East Liberty assembly plants where Honda builds the Civic, Accord and CR-V.link">link">link">
  • biker4biker4 Member Posts: 746
    Actually most diesels are turbo.

    The power output comment from Mr. Watts is obviosuly some sort of typo - diesels don't usually have HP and TQ that close. The current diesel in the Euro Accord puts out about 160HP - 200HP out of the same engine is very unlikely. The TQ number might be right but not the HP one.

    If they can finish it in time (modifying the 2.2 iCTDi to meet US specs) MY08 might see lots of diesels in the Honda/Acura lineup.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,428
    i also kinda doubt the numbers ... but maybe it IS possible. I believe one of the reasons for low HP in diesels is the limited rpms. But, knowing Honda, they could very well be pushing the envelope and building a diesel that is capable of higher rpms and thus higher HP.

    I noticed in a recent review of the Euro-only BMW 330cd, the redline is 5500 rpms. That's pretty high for a diesel.

    I'm not well versed in the real physics here, so I'm just thinking out loud.

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  • orbit9090orbit9090 Member Posts: 116
    Here's an entertaining and informative Honda (UK) website about Honda's industry leading diesel technology and the story behind it all...

    Hate Something Change Something
    http://www.honda.co.uk/change/
  • vcarrerasvcarreras Member Posts: 247
    Hope Honda get's it here in less then 3 years. I will be waiting for this in the CRV.

    http://money.cnn.com/2006/09/24/autos/honda_diesel.reut/index.htm?postversion=20- 06092422
  • tinamarietinamarie Member Posts: 9
    I'm also waiting for this to happen here. We need more choices!!!!!!!!!!
  • rknowlesrknowles Member Posts: 1
    Just found out from HONDA UK that they have launched an ACCORD DIESEL TOURER (wagon). Pounds,22,000.00 about $35,0000.0 . Does about 45 mpg. Looks great.. check out Honda.Uk and google Tourer diesel. Looks great. I only wish they would sell it here
    Ah Well! In my dreams!

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,428
    heck, i wish they'd sell an accord wagon here, period.

    but a diesel would be all that much sweeter, that's for sure!

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  • dudleyrdudleyr Member Posts: 3,469
    I would take an Accord wagon diesel over any other vehicle sold in this country.
  • blaneblane Member Posts: 2,017
    rknowles,

    I presume that 45 mpg figure is in the larger Imperial gallons used in the United Kingdom. Imperial gallons are approximately 1.2 U.S. gallons. That would equate to 37.5 miles per U.S. gallon for the vehicle you mentioned.

    With the price of diesel fuel so much higher than regular 87 octane fuel in my part of the country (New York), that does not represent any significant saving in cost per mile of driving.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    No, that is 5.4L/100 km.

    Further conversions are thus: US gals 43.56,

    Imp gal 52.3111,

    KM/Liter 18.51
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    If NY prices follow CA prices, diesel and unleaded are about equal now. And will stay that way till winter next. In fact one ARCO near me today has diesel at $2.75 and unleaded at $2.86.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    "With the price of diesel fuel so much higher than regular 87 octane fuel in my part of the country (New York), that does not represent any significant saving in cost per mile of driving. "

    To address the second part of your post perhaps the math might be instructive.

    #2 diesel= 2.97 vs unleaded regular= 2.83 = .14 cents MORE than unleaded regular(4.7% more). Fuel of course fluctuates all over the place by region etc, etc, etc,, but the concept is the same. I know what my Civic gets but there is no like model Civic diesel, so let me use the 2003 VW Jetta TDI EPA of 49 /1.8T EPA of 31 . I happen to know the TDI gets more than 49 normally and the 1.8T driven the same way as the TDI gets less than 31.

    So that is 2.97 per gal/49 mpg= .0606122 cents per mile driven vs 2.83 cents/31=.0912903 cents per mile driven

    Per mile driven using the above example, the gasser costs 33.6% more per mile driven.
  • blufz1blufz1 Member Posts: 2,045
    There are other reasons to own a diesel. Diesels seem to last longer than gassers and the torque band of diesels make them better for towing my small bass boat. Max torque is @ 1900-2000 rpms. 60mph is also about 1900-2000 rpms. Also less life spent "at the pump".
  • blaneblane Member Posts: 2,017
    ruking1,

    I'm puzzled by your comments about liters and kilometers. My response in post #182 was to rknowles' post #179 where he wrote:

    "Just found out from HONDA UK that they have launched an ACCORD DIESEL TOURER (wagon). Pounds,22,000.00 about $35,0000.0 . Does about 45 mpg."
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    Right and my response was that 45 mpg was in US gals specifically 128 oz.

    5.4 liter/100km was the supporting documentation.

    Did I misunderstand your quote?

    ..."I presume that 45 mpg figure is in the larger Imperial gallons used in the United Kingdom. Imperial gallons are approximately 1.2 U.S. gallons. That would equate to 37.5 miles per U.S. gallon for the vehicle you mentioned."...
  • microrepairmicrorepair Member Posts: 508
    I agree 120%.... That has to be nearly the perfect vehicle for 70% of American families..!! For a few diehards, throw in AWD....!!

    :cry::):(:D
  • duncan36duncan36 Member Posts: 8
    People in Europe are getting about 38mpg(in US gallons) combined from this motor in an Accord(Acura TSX here)! Thats better than wheezy little subcompacts get in the US.
    Also the engine gets 140hp and 250lb/ft of torque. Thats almost exactly the same numbers as 305 V8 Chevy motors had in the 80's. And those were hauling around over 2 tons of steel and got high teens in gas mileage if you were lucky.

    On pure highway driving i'm sure you'd get close to 50mpg from the Honda diesel.
    I think Hondas going in the right direction with their clean diesel technology.
  • blufz1blufz1 Member Posts: 2,045
    It's not the same diesel! Also, most if not all will be autos not manuals. Only Grad and Dudley will get 50's. Rest of us will get 40's. :)
  • biker4biker4 Member Posts: 746
    It will be close enough that the millage should be very similar.

    Maybe the hosts should change the title to : " 2009 Accord diesel" ? ;)
  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Administrator Posts: 11,258
    I would love to... and will as soon as I get confirmation!

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  • autoboy16autoboy16 Member Posts: 992
    Umm i got a qwik question...

    In europe, the accord wagon is a TSX over here. But acura sells the TSX here with out the wagon. Any chance that when the diesel comes, the wagon may come? Its all the same car and the same engine give or take.

    Also, the diesel honda has currently in europe is a 2.2l. So if that gets bumped up to 2.4l, it could be used in the Accord, TSX, Cr-v, ect?

    But what about a 4l diesel engine with about 210hp and 300+lb ft for the MDX, odyssey, pilot, Rl, Tl and maybe in the RDX?

    -Cj
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    Well for sure not quick in the bigger picture, longer term contexts. But "Qwik" in the short term, especially if you like all NO's (nay's)

    I think Honda will tend to test the US marketing waters before they expand the diesel options across more than one model. So I have read in several places, one of the most likely models to offer a diesel option is the so called "Accord" platform. In my mind, this will make an already excellent model/segment even better!
  • blufz1blufz1 Member Posts: 2,045
    Honda has 2 new diesels. The I4 for the Accord and CRV. V6 for the Ridgeline/Pilot sized vehicles. Over 250 and 330 ft. pounds respectively. Coming to a Honda dealer near you in Fall '08.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    If so, folks will soon recognize the true meaning of 250-330# ft of torque, respectively!! :) Indeed I think it is less of a risk than Honda's venture into Civic and Accord hybrids. Honda as is probably well known will stop producing Accord hybrids.

    250# ft of torque in my 2950# Jetta TDI would truly be MONSTER!
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,428
    I'm still waiting for a source on this. I'd like to read about it. Thanks.

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  • blaneblane Member Posts: 2,017
    http://world.honda.com/HDTV/news/2003-4030226_1a/

    Also, have you ever whistled to this UK Honda Diesel advertisement? The two links at the bottom are good and each of the titles at the top reveals a couple more links to click on.

    http://www.honda.co.uk/change/
  • blufz1blufz1 Member Posts: 2,045
    Sorry, I don't footnote my posts. :)
  • blaneblane Member Posts: 2,017
    blufz1 = Man of Mystery.
  • blufz1blufz1 Member Posts: 2,045
    It's more fun that way. :)
  • biker4biker4 Member Posts: 746
    Any chance that when the diesel comes, the wagon may come?

    ... not until lawmakers somehow outlaw the SUV/CUV - which with the current Energy bill being debated is entirely possible. :surprise:
  • dudleyrdudleyr Member Posts: 3,469
    The CUV's/SUV's are wagons - just extremely innefficient ones that cost more to buy and to run.

    Remember it is not the better mousetrap that sells, but the better advertised mousetrap that everybody else is buying.
  • blaneblane Member Posts: 2,017
    Auto manufacturers feel that they won't be able to sell anything called a station wagon because it has an "old" connotation. Kind of like the "It's not your father's Oldsmobile." advertising a few years ago.
  • autoboy16autoboy16 Member Posts: 992
    If honda's that used a 2.4l IF used a diesel, that would be scary... The Element would really be desirable with AWD and that nifty moonroof, the Cr-v may be able to beat the Rav4 in MPG, the TSX may be the quickest to 60mpg and the highest MPG, the accord diesel vs the camry hybrid...

    Hey anyword on hondas with a 6AT? That would help the mpg a bit also.

    -Cj
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