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Honda Accord Diesel????
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the host was so impressed with the civic hatch (style, feature,price, the magic seat, engine response...), he was closed to speechless when describing how good the car is.
take a look at the pic of the 5 door hatch, it's looks even more "spaceship" than our civic sedan.
The all new Acura Tsx Wagon, A whole new kind of sports utility vehicle.
Sounds nice right? :shades:
Not quite. The North America Accord is a completely different vehicle from the Acura TSX/European Accord. The TSX uses the same four-cylinder engine as the NA Accord, but I don't think a V6 will fit. The NA Accord is a larger vehicle than the TSX, and is closer in size to the Acura TL. The TSX is closer in size to the Civic and Jetta.
I know that Honda produces the diesel engine for the European Accord market. I've called American Honda and asked them if I could buy the motor for a U.S. bound Honda Accord and simply swap out the motors. Unfortunately, I can only talk to customer service representatives and they (at least everyone I've spoken with) don't know how to think outside the box to make my request happen.
I am willing to pay a reasonable price differential for the Accord diesel. I do not want a hybrid.
Here's the dilemma.
I've heard rumors that Honda will sell the Accord diesel for the U.S. market for the 07 or 08 model year. Now if it's 07, I'll wait it out until September and order a new Diesel Accord. If it's 08, I'm sick of waiting and I'm going to just go buy the freakin' Jetta.
Anyone know anything? All thoughts appreciated.
You better not wait long. The Jetta diesel will not be available after August from what I understand. They are building a new engine to comply with the strict new EPA regulations. All I have read they are only bringing the diesel in the Odyssey and Pilot, maybe the end of this year. I would suggest a used VW Diesel. However they are very rare. I just sold my Passat for way more than I paid new last year.
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Honda, the world's largest engine maker, aims to sell a U.S. diesel model by 2009, five years after introducing its first such car in Europe. The company has not said which models will be available with its new engine. Takeo Fukui, Honda's president, said last week that diesels may eventually be available in the United States in the Odyssey minivan and Acura MDX
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As far as I could tell from the news releases, interviews and speculation, Honda is developing a 4 cyl based on their European 4 cyl Diesel engine, and they're developing a brand new v-6 for the North American market. They've confirmed that the Odyssey and Acura MDX will get one or both of these engines, but I suspect you may see it in more vehicles. Another likely candidate is the Honda Ridgeline.
As for Honda's sedans, here's my take... I don't think the Civic will be getting a diesel engine. Honda has said they feel hybrids are more appropriate for small vehicles, and I think the Civic qualifies. The Civic hybrid has been reasonably successful, so I think they'll continue with it. I've read some speculation that Honda may actually go all hybrid down the road w/ the Civic. As for the Accord, I think it's a fairly likely candidate for a 4 cyl/v-6 Diesel, maybe both. Honda has its eyes on the power heavy Accord hybrid, which has sold terribly, because people desire economic hybrids, not hybrid muscle cars. I think Honda may pull the hybrid Accord from the road some time in the near future, and a Diesel version would be a great replacement. I hope to see at least one of the sedans get a Diesel engine... a lot of people would buy one.
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When Honda sells its first diesel engine in the United States, it likely will be in the Civic, Accord or CR-V. John Watts, manager of Honda's U.S. product planning, said Honda plans to introduce a clean-burning, 2.2-liter turbodiesel in the United States within three years. "That 2.2 could probably crank out about 200 horsepower and about 220 [foot pounds of] torque at little rpm," Watts said. "Vehicles like the Pilot [SUV] and Odyssey [minivan] are too big for a four-cylinder." Previously Watt told The Plain Dealer that it would be logical to build the new diesel at Honda's engine plant in Anna because it already builds four-cylinder engines with which the diesel might share some components. Anna would also put the source of the little diesel close to Marysville and East Liberty assembly plants where Honda builds the Civic, Accord and CR-V.link">link">link">
The power output comment from Mr. Watts is obviosuly some sort of typo - diesels don't usually have HP and TQ that close. The current diesel in the Euro Accord puts out about 160HP - 200HP out of the same engine is very unlikely. The TQ number might be right but not the HP one.
If they can finish it in time (modifying the 2.2 iCTDi to meet US specs) MY08 might see lots of diesels in the Honda/Acura lineup.
I noticed in a recent review of the Euro-only BMW 330cd, the redline is 5500 rpms. That's pretty high for a diesel.
I'm not well versed in the real physics here, so I'm just thinking out loud.
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http://www.honda.co.uk/change/
http://money.cnn.com/2006/09/24/autos/honda_diesel.reut/index.htm?postversion=20- 06092422
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Robert Knowles
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but a diesel would be all that much sweeter, that's for sure!
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I presume that 45 mpg figure is in the larger Imperial gallons used in the United Kingdom. Imperial gallons are approximately 1.2 U.S. gallons. That would equate to 37.5 miles per U.S. gallon for the vehicle you mentioned.
With the price of diesel fuel so much higher than regular 87 octane fuel in my part of the country (New York), that does not represent any significant saving in cost per mile of driving.
Further conversions are thus: US gals 43.56,
Imp gal 52.3111,
KM/Liter 18.51
To address the second part of your post perhaps the math might be instructive.
#2 diesel= 2.97 vs unleaded regular= 2.83 = .14 cents MORE than unleaded regular(4.7% more). Fuel of course fluctuates all over the place by region etc, etc, etc,, but the concept is the same. I know what my Civic gets but there is no like model Civic diesel, so let me use the 2003 VW Jetta TDI EPA of 49 /1.8T EPA of 31 . I happen to know the TDI gets more than 49 normally and the 1.8T driven the same way as the TDI gets less than 31.
So that is 2.97 per gal/49 mpg= .0606122 cents per mile driven vs 2.83 cents/31=.0912903 cents per mile driven
Per mile driven using the above example, the gasser costs 33.6% more per mile driven.
I'm puzzled by your comments about liters and kilometers. My response in post #182 was to rknowles' post #179 where he wrote:
"Just found out from HONDA UK that they have launched an ACCORD DIESEL TOURER (wagon). Pounds,22,000.00 about $35,0000.0 . Does about 45 mpg."
5.4 liter/100km was the supporting documentation.
Did I misunderstand your quote?
..."I presume that 45 mpg figure is in the larger Imperial gallons used in the United Kingdom. Imperial gallons are approximately 1.2 U.S. gallons. That would equate to 37.5 miles per U.S. gallon for the vehicle you mentioned."...
Also the engine gets 140hp and 250lb/ft of torque. Thats almost exactly the same numbers as 305 V8 Chevy motors had in the 80's. And those were hauling around over 2 tons of steel and got high teens in gas mileage if you were lucky.
On pure highway driving i'm sure you'd get close to 50mpg from the Honda diesel.
I think Hondas going in the right direction with their clean diesel technology.
Maybe the hosts should change the title to : " 2009 Accord diesel" ?
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In europe, the accord wagon is a TSX over here. But acura sells the TSX here with out the wagon. Any chance that when the diesel comes, the wagon may come? Its all the same car and the same engine give or take.
Also, the diesel honda has currently in europe is a 2.2l. So if that gets bumped up to 2.4l, it could be used in the Accord, TSX, Cr-v, ect?
But what about a 4l diesel engine with about 210hp and 300+lb ft for the MDX, odyssey, pilot, Rl, Tl and maybe in the RDX?
-Cj
I think Honda will tend to test the US marketing waters before they expand the diesel options across more than one model. So I have read in several places, one of the most likely models to offer a diesel option is the so called "Accord" platform. In my mind, this will make an already excellent model/segment even better!
250# ft of torque in my 2950# Jetta TDI would truly be MONSTER!
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
Also, have you ever whistled to this UK Honda Diesel advertisement? The two links at the bottom are good and each of the titles at the top reveals a couple more links to click on.
http://www.honda.co.uk/change/
... not until lawmakers somehow outlaw the SUV/CUV - which with the current Energy bill being debated is entirely possible. :surprise:
Remember it is not the better mousetrap that sells, but the better advertised mousetrap that everybody else is buying.
Hey anyword on hondas with a 6AT? That would help the mpg a bit also.
-Cj