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Good luck
--jjf
i>Hav an offer on a fully loaded 07 ST with 8k miles on it. Car has all options and MSRP for that specification (07) runs to ard 21.5K.(checked on both Ford website and Carsdirect). Am getting an offer for 13.5K + TTL. Clean Carfax and vehicle appears pristine on test drive.
I think I'm getting a great deal and am really interested in buying. Any other opinions? advice appreciated.
Edmunds MSRP also corresponds.
no visible scratches.
car has the foll options;
heated leather seats
traction control
perimeter alarm
sunroof
Sony audiophile audio
Appearance package 1
side airbags
:shades:
Next I turned to the more important issue. As I mentioned, I got he offer for this car at the new cars office. I was not interested in a used car (I will buy a used car from a private seller if I am interested). At my first visit, the dealer presented me this car as a car the manager drove. I asked if I will be the first owner listed and he said yes. Later at home I checked in Carfax and discovered that there is a first owner already listed to that car. I concluded that they are lying and thinking that if they put the car in the new cars section it will be easier for them to mislead buyers that look for a new car and won’t mind buying a “new” car that drove a little. I was expecting that that at the dealership they will be very quick to apologize and admit a “mistake” once I raise this point. But I was surprised. When I told him that what I have seen in Carfax he insisted that the car is new (now he said that the car was a demo car- he forgot what he told me in my first visit) and I will be the first owner. He also tried to show me from his computer the Carfax on this car. What I have seen was not what I remembered looking at home. I asked to log in to Carfax with my username. Then I understood that what he showed me was not the report but the web page before that (the one you see if you don’t pay), and got the real report showing that there is a car owner listed on this car already. He looked a little surprised but still insisted that I will be the first owner. This whole thing around this issue lasted for more than half an hour with him going to the manager a few times. I must admit that I was almost convinced that indeed I will get to be the first owner listed, and this is how Carfax shows new cars at dealerships. But at that point he made a “mistake”. At last he came and admitted that the car was already titled and agreed to the fact that I will be listed as second owner. But again we where surprised. He didn’t apologize, he didn’t offer to reduce the price, and he insisted that we don’t use the term “used car” . It was ridiculous. As he looked a bit nervous from the beginning, but at this stage he was almost out of control and so in response to that I couldn’t even bring myself to offer 12.5K for the car (thinking that 13K will be good to me). The atmosphere was too hot and while we said we are waiting for a better offer after this “discovery”, he didn’t want to give us any and said that we didn’t make any counter offer (which was true because we where also a little confused and influenced by all this unexpected behavior). I decided to go because I didn’t feel like paying them even 13K after this experience. At the dealership they didn’t stop us. Probably they understood they can’t fool us. We stopped later in Scion dealership. I got a completely different and good impression on the way they work. Sadly, I will probably buy an imported car. I really wanted to buy American car.
Hope my few lessons will help other buyers. I think the most important thing is that when you get an offer in a dealership, you have to check every piece of information by yourselves and not trust the dealership. You also have to calculate and see if other options added are really worth anything. Another suggestion is always to go with at least one friend (someone that knows a little how to negotiate or at least how to ask good questions). This is very important. It brings more pressure on the dealer and less on the buyer.
The dodge caliber is a 4 dr hatch. A well equipped 18500 msrp should be about 14500.,The PT cruiser has a huge hatch and 4 drs.It looks like it was built for drums. It should run around 13000-14000 in the 18000 msrp price range. Dodge also has the lifetime powertrain warranty. Prices get lower for less well equipped models. You may be able to get a $20000 08 ford escape 2wd or mazda tribute with power for $14000-15000, so that may be a consideration also.
The quality for the american names is about the same so its the convenience and what you need that is relevant.
Good luck
--jjf
Thanks for your help!
I am looking at the Ford Focus SE 2008. I was wondering how much negotiating could be done to get closer to invoice price.
Thanks
Harmony
Good Luck
--jjf
Hi all,
I am looking at the Ford Focus SE 2008. I was wondering how much negotiating could be done to get closer to invoice price.
Thanks
I didn't ask, but I'm assuming this is for a full-size spare since there's no way a donut could cost that much.
I'm going back on Monday to drive the Fusion. While it's not really on my short list, I do want to see how it rides. I will say I nearly passed out when I saw an 08 Taurus Limited stickering for 32,700. :surprise: My how times have changed.
Look up the car 1 yr old used 07 on kbb.com or edmunds.com/ The wholesale price of thousands of your car at auction after 12 months and 15000 mi should give a good indication of how close to reality MSRP is.
Good luck
--jjf
I've been out test driving cars to replace my reliable and paid for 1996 Chevy Beretta and went by the local Ford place to check out the Focus and Fusion. I haven't been on a Ford lot in quite a while, but I have been at nearly every other brand, so I was a bit taken aback to find a $60 sticker charge for a spare tire on both the Focus and Fusion. Is this what is has come to, charging for a spare?
I didn't ask, but I'm assuming this is for a full-size spare since there's no way a donut could cost that much.
I'm going back on Monday to drive the Fusion. While it's not really on my short list, I do want to see how it rides. I will say I nearly passed out when I saw an 08 Taurus Limited stickering for 32,700. My how times have changed.
I can generate an x-plan code anytime I want from my company.... about how much is the discount?
This is the main reason why im considering the focus....
Good luck
--jjf
Im planning to buy a ford focus 2008 se retail price is about 17.5 k before taxes in Canada....
I can generate an x-plan code anytime I want from my company.... about how much is the discount?
This is the main reason why im considering the focus
I think I should try to get the vehicle for somewhere around 13K.
Should I try for lower, or pass altogether and try for a new vehicle? Thanks.
Good luck
--jjd
In the Northern VA area; car has std SES equipment + Sirius; car has 3.5K miles, salesman said it was a dealer loaner vehicle. Their "internet price" is 14.4K. The MSRP on a new Focus with the same specs (from competing dealer) was 18.5K.
I think I should try to get the vehicle for somewhere around 13K.
Should I try for lower, or pass altogether and try for a new vehicle? Thanks
What do you think about my deal?
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Seems like a higher quality piece than the Ford, approaching that of a Honda Civic like the edmunds review. If the Ford dealers don't drop then....
--jjf
I am thinking of buying a 2008 SES coupe loaded with everything you can get in extras. I haven't dickerd with the dealer as of yet but had him print me out his listed price for this car he did tell me that he could give me $1000 off because I own a Ford but no other discounts were mentioned. The price quoted to me before the $1000 off was $19,580. If anyone could let me know about any other discounts I should ask for please let me know! also, what price should I realy pay for this car? I am a first time buyer of a new car and have never had to dicker with a dealer before and I dont want to be eaten by the sharks!
--jjf
Well, thanks for your reply! I have no experience buying a new car I wouldn't know where to start with the dealer sales guy to get the price down to around $15,000 I would love to get the car for that price! its a lot better then the $19,000 and change! Do you or any one else here have any suggestions how I can get the dealer down to that price?. Any hints would be much appreciated!
-jjf
Where did you get that car for that price? I want to buy 2 of them at one time but the dealer here wants $19,850 each! How do you do that??????
base price = $15k
- college grad rebate $500
- AQHA rebate = $500
- Ford rebate/bonus cash = $2000
Could another $2k be knocked off?
lso be sure to get competitive bids for the mazda3 and mazda6 models, (base if thats what you're looking for), as they seem to be clearing them out and they are sometimes deeply discounted too. Wouldn't want to buy a Focus when for just a grand (or less)more you could get a (much higher quality) mazda3. (striking in red,galaxy grey and blue)
Also try the Hyundai Elantra (better car and warranty also) but the same goes for it and the m3 .
Good luck
--jjf
I'd probably be more excited about 4000 off msrp if the 19000 msrp focus ses and 17000 se didn't wholesale used for $10000-11000 or less in their 07 versions with avg miles.
--jjf
My dealer told me they called Ford and they would not give the $750 personal rebate with the 1000 conquest rebate-----
Your telling me you got it?
anyone else combine the two?
Maybe I could contact your dealer and see how they did it.
If they sent you the coupon you could always try to contact ford and see what forms to send in for the rebate, but they have been doing rebates for decades and usually have the participation wording exactly right to avoid this sort of thing.
If the 1000 conquest rebate is not combinable with any other offer they could always take it back in exchange for the 750 and you could pay 250 more if you wish.
Good luck
--jjf
I would like to pursue this rebate--anyone know who to contact at Ford?
My dealer told me they called Ford and they would not give the $750 personal rebate with the 1000 conquest rebate-----
Your telling me you got it?
anyone else combine the two?
Maybe I could contact your dealer and see how they did it.
For factory rebates and others, you sign forms assigning your rebate to them for credit against the purchase price, instead of paying full price and mailing in the rebate yourself. If no signature and someone tries to claim the rebate in your name they would be in deep doo doo with Ford and State Attorney General . With their dealership at stake. Highly unlikely.
If this is a direct from ford rebate there is really nothing in it for the dealership to deny it. Perhaps a mistake was made and you can send it in but this coupon thing doesn't sound like the standard factory rebate.
Good Luck
--jjf
money. If I were you I would check on that closely! I know I would be pissed off if someone stole $750.00 from me!!!! Good luck to you sir and I am sorry about your loss!!!
1000 public ford rebate
1000 ford finance rebate
1000 conquest rebate for having a none ford car (this was advertised in paper so should not be considered a PRIVATE OFFER.
ALSO HAD A 750 PRIVATE REBATE supposed to be good on top of any public offers
and also valid with xplan pricing.
dealer did not keep my 750 coupon, I still have it--tried contacting Ford but they just say contact dealer.
I think 14000 for a Focus SES 08 OTD will be a great deal. Do you know somebody here make it before?