tinindiana I've been around for awhile and was surprised as you were the first to mention Deming. Would have thought the most people would not have heard of him. Well enough said...
dbhull Sorry to hear that you are going to or already bought a Ford. Let us know how it turns out...
81chevy thanks for the wakeup call... It was 2:00 am when I happened to have read your post #312. I must admit...it did wake me up...;)
Since I grew up in the '60s, I would like to make one side comment. I don't recall ever seeing a hippie or "freak" driving a new or for that matter late model ANYTHING. They drove old econo boxes. They had no money and the cars and maintainence was cheap. It wasn't for lack of support for our products that they drove these. It was for lack of money. By the way I believe that the VW beetle and bus were the vehicle of choice.
Well I can't exactly argue with that, but I know more than you give me credit for
especially since the cars made in the 70's were really pieces of junk, of course neither were the [non-permissible content removed] (Dahtsun, oh god! those Hondas I have never seen still on the road)
Now you can't exactly blame the US Manufacturers for making junk, think about what they had to go through American's like BIG car, that is the way it has always been and still is, (look at the SUV takeoff, [non-permissible content removed] have just joined in because they don't know how ot make big things, look at their current Tundra), and within 1-2 years they had to go from making big comfortable cruisers and muscle cars with 300-400hp stock to making fuel efficient small cars, that is hard to change your engineers state of mind.
Keep in mind also, that the US companies still had these old factories (one way the [non-permissible content removed] got an in) that had been making cars on the same platforms forever.
Now I wouldn't have as much a problem with [non-permissible content removed] cars (I still would but not as bad ) if the japanese didn't seal their markets from US products, cars, film, etc, and dumping their inferior steel in our market.
Now whose to say American manufacturers wouldn't have made better cars without the competition, once they figured out this small car thing.
One way to prove my point, 70's and 80's trucks, they are as high quality as new cars and trucks (my 81 Chevy with 326,000 + miles with 1 rebuild and never rebuilt tranny!), and a lot of people I know have 70/80's trucks with well over 200,000.
Interesting point, don't you think?
anyway, thanks for the post response, hope to hear the next!
1964 Galaxy 500 XL with the 300 hp 390 cubes...back when the dashboards were made of steel and prone to fading and not cracking...or was that my '55 Merc....
And almost everyone fixed their problems, most were tires that were out-of-round (hardly Toyota's fault). One guy had to rotate his rear drums, but nothing major. There is reference on that board as well to the vibrating Silverados, though.
HELP!!! My Tundra shakes starting about 40 and becomes progressively worse up to 100+ where I ran out of nerve. Toyota, despite my comments, cannot believe it's not the tires. It has had 15 tires and 10 wheels on it in 14,000 miles. I entered arbitration just to get the rotors and rear axles checked and was refused because, "the shake was not severe enough". Any advice other than empty comments would be appreciated. BTW, I also own a 92 Chev 454SS, 67 Chev Camaro with a 502/502, and a Mercedes SLK so I do not have tunnel vision for a specific brand nor style vehicle; and I have a decent grasp of auto operation. Thanks for any help.
I would suggest going to the Tundra Solutions website. They are very helpful. All you will get at Edmund's is a bunch of Tundra bashing by some brainless hicks.
You must be a brainless hick then, because you post here at Edmunds every day like clockwork. If Edmunds sucks so bad, why don't you go to Tundra Solutions and not come here? Sounds to me like that would be a win win situation.
Edmunds is trying damned hard to put a good service together here - just look at the new initiatives that they are launching.
There are a huge number of very helpful topics in this forum, but it seems symptomatic of any of the ones that concern the Tundra that they are never constructive. The last few posts are a great example of why - if a big 3 owner had posted of the problems that walterv mentioned every single Tundra owner would have laughed and said serves you right for buying a Dodge / Ford / Chevy.
There are two main reasons that Tundra owners are so defensive (in my opinion), one they are hugely outnumbered here by big 3 owners (who all have similar opinions of Tundra) and two they wish to justify their purchases. There is nothing wrong with either reason, but let's not lose sight of the fact that people come here for information, and abuse doesn't serve anybody.
If this site is unhelpful then it is the responsibility of all of us - bamatundra if you have knowledge on the subject share it, your last two posts are as helpful as any written by trucksrme.
I have had problems with customers' trucks and land cruisers shaking. What worked for me is when reinstalling the alloy wheels on the truck, take your time. Start all the lugs, then snug all with only the socket in your hand. After that progressively tighten the lugs in a cross the wheel patern no more than 25 ft lbs at a time. Toyota wheels do not seem to center well on the hubs if your tighten one lug too much too soon.
One employee calls the shake from improper torqing lug "That Toyota Feeling". Try this on your Silverados too. It worked some years back when real wire wheels were showing up as an after market option on luxury cars.
Quad, Thanks for the URLs. I checked them out and came to a rather startling conclusion. There are three vibration problems. The first is warped rear brake drums caused by leaving the parking brake on during the winter. (Personally I'm skeptical about the cause. Can you imagine the field day the FEDS would have with that one?) The second is tires being square or what ever. It's a good possibility. (I think that bent or out of round wheels are a better possibility. Perhaps the wheels go out of round when they're torqued incorrectly.) Third is the steering wheel shake. It appears that the first two can be cured. But the third problem is still out to the jury.
I agree that there are a huge number of helpful topics in the Edmund's forum - just not for Tundra owners. I gave the previous poster the best advice I knew. Giving a URL to a very helpful website is very valid, helpful advice.
You are being naive if you think that there is a place in this forum that a Tundra owner can post without being confronted by a brainless hick (trucksrme). Check out "topic #1584 Toyota Tundra OWNERS: Rate your truck!" or "1933 Welcome Toyota Tundra - VI" There are more posts bashing Tundras and Tundra owners than by Tundra owners themselves.
There are forums such as BrandX vs. Tundra which tend to be free for alls - but that is to be expected.
Now check out "1891 Chevy Silverado - Continued XI". Not a single bash by anyone let alone Tundra owners. Quite a difference. There are plenty of forums about Chevy owners having problems - no bashes.
I don't know why this is occurring - but it is. If Edmund's wants to allow all Tundra only forums in this site to be Trucksrme's playground - that is fine. Just don't expect Tundra owners to hang around.(except for the ones with asbestos shorts such as me.)
I think its the way a person may wish to think that the Tundra is getting bashed from all sides. I feel Toyota brought it upon themselves by calling the Tundra a full size just because it has a V8. Many have posted all the interior/exterior dimensions showing over and over that the Tundra is not full size. Along with the bogus commercials showing 4 very large men getting out of the clubcab, or the Tundra out towing Ford and Chevy, and then showing in little writing that they used the stripped down versions and lowest V8 available from Ford,Chevy,Dodge. Why didn't Toyota use the top of the line V8's offered by Ford/Dodge/Chevy, like they used the top of the line engine available in the Tundra?
Thanks for the lead to the Tundra Solutions site. I can't understand the attitude of many at this site. I own a Tundra and a Chevrolet 454SS. Each has it's strong and weak points. By the time these are at the end of their useful life, Honda may have the best truck on the road. It's just a truck guys! :-)
Like you've never made up stuff about the Silverado and tried to pass it off as the truth. Or bashed the Silverado. And before you say it......I dont own a Silverado.
But your lies about the Silverado are getting old. If youre happy with the tundra fine, but with your past posts it looks like you have a serious case of big 3 evny, especially towards the Silverado.
I have not ever posted a lie about the Silverado. Whenever a Silverado owner has posted a Tundra bash in a Tundra forum - I have answered back with a Silverado bash. Everything I have ever posted about the Silverado has been truthful.
I think that Silverado owners that post Tundra bashes in Tundra only topics should expect rude replies. They are being very discourteous so why would they expect a courteous response? Why would someone who does not own a Tundra post a bash in a Tundra topic?
I'm glad that you like Silverados. Go buy one. Just don't feel that you have to hang out in Tundra only topics and post Tundra bashes. If you want to read only good things about Silverados - go to Silverado only topics. You will not find Silverado bashs there.
If you want to post Tundra bashes - go to any Tundra vs. BrandX and bash all you want. These topics tend to attract flamewars anyway.
You claimed Chevy had a plastic hood, said they were associated with hyundai, said they lied about thier towing capabilities, and posted that everywhere. Thats what I call lying because none of it is true.
I dont need to bash the tundra, the facts speak for themselves.
I dont "hang out" here but it is a free country, I can look at whatever topic I want.
This happens with any Toyota topic. Big Three owners especially feel the need to go into Toyota only topics and give their opinions on how much better their trucks/cars are, yet you never see Toyota owners in the Big Three only topics. I guess I'll never understand...
I never posted anything about the Silverado having a plastic hood. That is a lie.
About a month ago, I created a mythical vehicle a "Hyundai Shakerado" in response to Silverado owners posting about "Tindras" and "Toilettas". It didn't occur to me that someone might actually think that there is such a vehicle. I never claimed that Hyundai was associated with Chevy (you did).
Chevy does lie about their tow ratings. The list the tow rating on their brochure for the 4X4 extended cab as 9400 lbs. when it is actually 8000 lbs. In the fine print at the bottom of the table they say that the tow rating is reduced by the additional weight of the Extended cab and any optional equipment. You may not agree with me, but at least I have posted sources for my statement. May '00 Motor Trend and www.chevy.com
I do not question your right to read any topic that you want. However, it is discourteous to bash a Tundra in a Tundra only topic. For some reason Big3 owners feel a need to do this. (Must be Tundra envy).
Well, this topic is for bashing Tundras, so might be better if you skip reading it, if you're easily offended. Judging by the responses, I'd say most of you are.
But because like Bama I'm for FIBs, (fairness in bashing), I would like to point out on Bama's behalf that indeed, he did not refer to the hood as plastic. I believe that was someone going by 47ironhead.
However, if Chevy is stating in fine print at the bottom that the tow rating is reduced by optional equipment, how is that lying? Of course I don't know that they are. I haven't seen what Bama is referring to. But on the Carpoint specification page, they list the max tow rating as 9400 lbs for all of the variants, extended cab, LS,LT trim etc.
So I doubt GM is lying about anything. Their specifications seem very complete, even offering numbers for tongue weight, fifth wheel hitchpin, gross combination weights etc. Obviously, they are expressing a lot of information since they have the full expectation that GM trucks will see heavy duty/towing uses. As for Toyota...I would be very interested if they publish a tongue weight for trailer towing, since I have first hand experience with how much they squat excessively when loaded in the back, and their mysterious reasons for not offering a factory hitch on the top line model.
All, I drive a truck. I hate my wife's car. I have a license plate bracket on my truck that expresses my opinion on vehicles.
The point is that pouring gasoline on a flame has the potential for explosive results. By responding to a posted flame is feeding the fire just like throwing gasoline on a camp fire. Just treat the posted flame like a camp fire, watch it flare up, watch it burn down, watch the embers die and finally watch the cool embers blow away.
When flamers can't get their needed gasoline, they too will die and go away.
I realize this is a Tundra bashing area. What I was referring to is the rampant bashing in Toyota only topics (esp. Tacoma and Tundra) by Big 3 owners. Strangely enough, it seems most of the bashing comes from Silverado owners, not F150 owners (in the Tundra topics) and Ranger owners, not Chevy or Dodge owners (in the Tacoma topics).
It seems funny to see you join this discussion. You seem to hang out in Tundra only topics and bash away. You also end some of your posts "good luck on this one now" (Trucksrme?) Seems you must be a little insecure about your Big3 purchase.
The Chevy owners manual states that the tow rating for the Extended Cab, 4WD, 5.3L, 4.1 gears, Shortbed is 8000 lbs. This is a far cry from the 9400 lbs you claim. It seems that you have been took.
Now, you seem like a knowledgeable person and yet Chevy tricked you into thinking that your truck would tow 9400 lbs. Do you think that Chevy may be lying? (or at least very deceptive?)
Mmcbride1, I don't ever post, or read the Tacoma topics. So I don't know what's going on there. I don't have much to say in the Tundra-only topics either.
Bama, As far as I can tell, there is only one Tundra "only" topic remaining. And there isn't much going on in there. You have your ongoing banter with Truckrme, and that seems to dominate the topic. Whenever someone comes in there and posts about a serious subject, you are usually the first to try and scuttle it, or give directions to the Tundra Solutions site. So what's left?
Although I am fond of the expression and slang used by Trucksrme, I have given up using his by-line "Good luck on this one now," since readers like you were unable to discern the difference, and some became suspicious we might be the same.
It seems ironic for you to suggest that I'm insecure about my big 3 purchase. I have not a clue about what's in the Tundra owners manual, but apparently you have spent some time reading through the Silverado manual. I think this is a positive step. Your rehabilitation will be complete once you join the ranks of the full size truck owners.
Bashing, hmm..... Its a two way street here folks. Toyota's "image" of being impervious to fault and lasting a billion miles on one oil change garbage is starting to disappear. The internet is full of stories of Toyota owners having problems.. Thank god for the internet!!. Even Honda owners are all over the internet expressing their problems... Explore the internet, vixit other chat rooms, you will be surprised.
By putting hyundai next to shakerado (Silverado)you certainly did imply, to some degree that hyundai was associated with Chevy.
About the towing, its not lying, ever see the tundra commercial, it has fine print at the bottom also, something about a '00 tundra vs '99 big three trucks. It's called advertising. Chevy can build a truck to tow 9400 lbs.
Quadrunner, Vinny (aka vince8) is one of the main culprits of posting Toyota bashes in Toyota-only topics. He loves his Ranger and is convinced it is God's gift to trucks, and that Toyotas are junk.
Vinny, you never answered me in the 4Runner Explorer room. Your only argument is right down the drain. Explorers now cost just as much as 4Runners do. And this is XLT vs. SR5. The EB's and Limiteds are right up there with 4Runner Limiteds now. What lame excuse will you use now?
LOL! I don't know where you get your pricing from but no way in He.. that a 4-runner comparably equipped to an Explorer costs the same.. Please give me a link. I look in the paper every Friday/Saturday/Sunday and see Explorer's for as low as 22K-23K starting. You are making a fool out of yourself trying to convince folks that a 4-runner costs just as much as an Explorer. After anyone does their homework and visits a dealer they will see for themselves a 4-Runner with the same equipment will cost upwards of 3-4K more!@ I burried you in data also showing how weak the V6 is in the 4-runner compared to the Explorer, along with options available and towing capacity. Don't get me started again... Also, once again you misquote me. I have NEVER said Toyota's were junk, just plain overrated and overpriced....
The SOHC is the upgraded V6. It is a good engine, but the Ford is noticeably noisier than my truck.
As for the dealers, Burt is NOT a good dealer, none of the Burt dealers are. Burt Toyota royally screwed my mom (I don't want to bore everyone here with the details, but it came down to us sitting in Wally, the dealership GM's office with him telling us to our face that he didn't care and that we could not hurt his business.) Burt Ford got a chance because I live just down the street, but they were just as bad. I was lied to and treated like garbage by everyone there except the salesman. And even he never even called me back after we were very close to buying a car from him (I think he know how pissed I was when I left). The sales manager there was a real piece of work.
While I have not purchased a car from No. 7's Toyota dealership, I have always had it serviced there and have had good experiences. We'll see when it comes time to replace the 4Runner next summer, though.
Before you call the Toyota engine "weak" again, have you ever driven a 1996 or newer 4Runner with the V6? I highly doubt it as there is no significant difference between the way my truck drives and the way th Explorer with the SOHC drives, but you always say how great that engine is. The SOHC is faster in a drag race (if you are into that sort of thing), but in everyday driving they are remarkably similar.
Your mom's experience aside, you should check Tom Martino's Troubleshooter site. The two best dealers with the lowest number of complaints are Burt and Phil Long. The worst ranked dealer, John Elway. But don't blame the two time back to back super bowl champ. It's owned by [non-permissible content removed] Wayne Huizenga, Autonation stores. Watch your wallet.
You are correct about the V6 in a 4Runner being weak.I went and test drove a 99 when I was looking to buy,and it was just gutless.It's just too big for that small an engine.My neighbors on on their third one,a 1999 they bought after buying a new Isuzu Rodeo.The wife didn't like it,the husband told her to get what she wanted,so she found a repo'ed 99 with only 6500 miles on it. She seemed shocked when I told her I liked the 4runner,but it was just too slow for me.I told her to go drive a Jeep Grand Cherokee with the 6.It felt much quicker than the Runner.A Runner with the 4.7 would be really nice.Just don't make it much more than the 6 cyl Runner,already overpriced in my opinion.
At least post facts. The Ford SOHC has around 240 ft. lb. of torque, not the 288 you claim. And the Explorer weighs more than a 4Runner.
As for price, if you don't want to believe me, then don't. BUT I TRIED TO BUY ONE, VINNY. You quote screamer ads out of the paper on one stripped model, I quote real life experiences on well equipped trucks. Proving your ignorance once again.
MMC, its no secret the 4-runner cost more my friend, check right here in your own backyard of Edmunds. In the review of the 4-runner Edmunds says when you start to add options the price soars! If I quoted 288ft/lbs of torque for the 4.0 SOHC I was wrong and I do know its about 240ft/lbs. Besides the new Sequioa from Toyota is due out soon and 4-runner sales are going to plummet.... By the way MMC, my neighbor with the 1997 4-runner dumped it for an Expedition!! LOL....
Believe me if you want to, or don't believe me. In Denver, similarly equipped Explorers cost every penny as much as 4Runners.
I TRIED TO BUY ONE, VINNY. Look here on Edmunds yourself. Ford has smaller margins between invoice and MSRP.
As for Expeditions, I drove one of those, too. They are nice but too big for me. Also way too much $ for me (the one I liked stickered at $40k). And I highly doubt 4Runner sales will plummet.
Why don't you think they will pummet? The Seqouia is going to trounce 4-runner in room, power, quality, refinement.. V8 power@! and all this for not much more than a 4-runner...
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tinindiana
I've been around for awhile and was surprised as you were the first to mention Deming. Would have thought the most people would not have heard of him. Well enough said...
dbhull
Sorry to hear that you are going to or already bought a Ford. Let us know how it turns out...
81chevy
thanks for the wakeup call... It was 2:00 am when I happened to have read your post #312. I must admit...it did wake me up...;)
especially since the cars made in the 70's were really pieces of junk, of course neither were the [non-permissible content removed] (Dahtsun, oh god! those Hondas I have never seen still on the road)
Now you can't exactly blame the US Manufacturers for making junk, think about what they had to go through
American's like BIG car, that is the way it has always been and still is, (look at the SUV takeoff, [non-permissible content removed] have just joined in because they don't know how ot make big things, look at their current Tundra), and within 1-2 years they had to go from making big comfortable cruisers and muscle cars with 300-400hp stock to making fuel efficient small cars, that is hard to change your engineers state of mind.
Keep in mind also, that the US companies still had these old factories (one way the [non-permissible content removed] got an in) that had been making cars on the same platforms forever.
Now I wouldn't have as much a problem with [non-permissible content removed] cars (I still would but not as bad ) if the japanese didn't seal their markets from US products, cars, film, etc, and dumping their inferior steel in our market.
Now whose to say American manufacturers wouldn't have made better cars without the competition, once they figured out this small car thing.
One way to prove my point, 70's and 80's trucks, they are as high quality as new cars and trucks (my 81 Chevy with 326,000 + miles with 1 rebuild and never rebuilt tranny!), and a lot of people I know have 70/80's trucks with well over 200,000.
Interesting point, don't you think?
anyway, thanks for the post response, hope to hear the next!
I'll agree that the trucks of the 70's didn't suffer as badly in quality as the cars.
2drive,
Gosh. I forgot the question! LOL! Thanks for setting me straight. I really thought they all were autos.
Rich
he asks:
Has the big T found a cure for the vibrations yet?
If so what is the solution?
Rich
How is the big t GM? hmmmm t=toyota
t= GM?????
You can read all about vibrating tundras at http://www.tundrasolutions.com
57 posts in last 20 days
http://www.tundrasolutions.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000614.html
http://www.tundrasolutions.com/
There are a huge number of very helpful topics in this forum, but it seems symptomatic of any of the ones that concern the Tundra that they are never constructive. The last few posts are a great example of why - if a big 3 owner had posted of the problems that walterv mentioned every single Tundra owner would have laughed and said serves you right for buying a Dodge / Ford / Chevy.
There are two main reasons that Tundra owners are so defensive (in my opinion), one they are hugely outnumbered here by big 3 owners (who all have similar opinions of Tundra) and two they wish to justify their purchases. There is nothing wrong with either reason, but let's not lose sight of the fact that people come here for information, and abuse doesn't serve anybody.
If this site is unhelpful then it is the responsibility of all of us - bamatundra if you have knowledge on the subject share it, your last two posts are as helpful as any written by trucksrme.
One employee calls the shake from improper torqing lug "That Toyota Feeling". Try this on your Silverados too. It worked some years back when real wire wheels were showing up as an after market option on luxury cars.
Harry
Thanks for the URLs. I checked them out and came
to a rather startling conclusion. There are three
vibration problems. The first is warped rear brake
drums caused by leaving the parking brake on
during the winter. (Personally I'm skeptical about
the cause. Can you imagine the field day the FEDS
would have with that one?) The second is tires
being square or what ever. It's a good possibility. (I think that bent or out of round wheels are a better possibility. Perhaps the wheels go out of round when they're torqued incorrectly.) Third is the steering wheel shake. It appears that the first two can be cured. But the third problem is still out to the jury.
Wifey's truck will have to wait for a while.
Rich
You are being naive if you think that there is a place in this forum that a Tundra owner can post without being confronted by a brainless hick (trucksrme). Check out "topic #1584 Toyota Tundra OWNERS: Rate your truck!" or "1933 Welcome Toyota Tundra - VI" There are more posts bashing Tundras and Tundra owners than by Tundra owners themselves.
There are forums such as BrandX vs. Tundra which tend to be free for alls - but that is to be expected.
Now check out "1891 Chevy Silverado - Continued XI". Not a single bash by anyone let alone Tundra owners. Quite a difference. There are plenty of forums about Chevy owners having problems - no bashes.
I don't know why this is occurring - but it is. If Edmund's wants to allow all Tundra only forums in this site to be Trucksrme's playground - that is fine. Just don't expect Tundra owners to hang around.(except for the ones with asbestos shorts such as me.)
But your lies about the Silverado are getting old. If youre happy with the tundra fine, but with your past posts it looks like you have a serious case of big 3 evny, especially towards the Silverado.
I think that Silverado owners that post Tundra bashes in Tundra only topics should expect rude replies. They are being very discourteous so why would they expect a courteous response? Why would someone who does not own a Tundra post a bash in a Tundra topic?
I'm glad that you like Silverados. Go buy one. Just don't feel that you have to hang out in Tundra only topics and post Tundra bashes. If you want to read only good things about Silverados - go to Silverado only topics. You will not find Silverado bashs there.
If you want to post Tundra bashes - go to any Tundra vs. BrandX and bash all you want. These topics tend to attract flamewars anyway.
I dont need to bash the tundra, the facts speak for themselves.
I dont "hang out" here but it is a free country, I can look at whatever topic I want.
About a month ago, I created a mythical vehicle a "Hyundai Shakerado" in response to Silverado owners posting about "Tindras" and "Toilettas". It didn't occur to me that someone might actually think that there is such a vehicle. I never claimed that Hyundai was associated with Chevy (you did).
Chevy does lie about their tow ratings. The list the tow rating on their brochure for the 4X4 extended cab as 9400 lbs. when it is actually 8000 lbs. In the fine print at the bottom of the table they say that the tow rating is reduced by the additional weight of the Extended cab and any optional equipment. You may not agree with me, but at least I have posted sources for my statement. May '00 Motor Trend and www.chevy.com
I do not question your right to read any topic that you want. However, it is discourteous to bash a Tundra in a Tundra only topic. For some reason Big3 owners feel a need to do this. (Must be Tundra envy).
But because like Bama I'm for FIBs, (fairness in bashing), I would like to point out on Bama's behalf that indeed, he did not refer to the hood as plastic. I believe that was someone going by 47ironhead.
However, if Chevy is stating in fine print at the bottom that the tow rating is reduced by optional equipment, how is that lying? Of course I don't know that they are. I haven't seen what Bama is referring to. But on the Carpoint specification page, they list the max tow rating as 9400 lbs for all of the variants, extended cab, LS,LT trim etc.
So I doubt GM is lying about anything. Their specifications seem very complete, even offering numbers for tongue weight, fifth wheel hitchpin, gross combination weights etc. Obviously, they are expressing a lot of information since they have the full expectation that GM trucks will see heavy duty/towing uses. As for Toyota...I would be very interested if they publish a tongue weight for trailer towing, since I have first hand experience with how much they squat excessively when loaded in the back, and their mysterious reasons for not offering a factory hitch on the top line model.
I drive a truck. I hate my wife's car. I have a license plate bracket on my truck that expresses my opinion on vehicles.
The point is that pouring gasoline on a flame has the potential for explosive results. By responding to a posted flame is feeding the fire just like throwing gasoline on a camp fire. Just treat the posted flame like a camp fire, watch it flare up, watch it burn down, watch the embers die and finally watch the cool embers blow away.
When flamers can't get their needed gasoline, they too will die and go away.
The Chevy owners manual states that the tow rating for the Extended Cab, 4WD, 5.3L, 4.1 gears, Shortbed is 8000 lbs. This is a far cry from the 9400 lbs you claim. It seems that you have been took.
Now, you seem like a knowledgeable person and yet Chevy tricked you into thinking that your truck would tow 9400 lbs. Do you think that Chevy may be lying? (or at least very deceptive?)
I don't ever post, or read the Tacoma topics. So I don't know what's going on there. I don't have much to say in the Tundra-only topics either.
Bama,
As far as I can tell, there is only one Tundra "only" topic remaining. And there isn't much going on in there. You have your ongoing banter with Truckrme, and that seems to dominate the topic. Whenever someone comes in there and posts about a serious subject, you are usually the first to try and scuttle it, or give directions to the Tundra Solutions site. So what's left?
Although I am fond of the expression and slang used by Trucksrme, I have given up using his by-line "Good luck on this one now," since readers like you were unable to discern the difference, and some became suspicious we might be the same.
It seems ironic for you to suggest that I'm insecure about my big 3 purchase. I have not a clue about what's in the Tundra owners manual, but apparently you have spent some time reading through the Silverado manual. I think this is a positive step. Your rehabilitation will be complete once you join the ranks of the full size truck owners.
Best of luck with this!
About the towing, its not lying, ever see the tundra commercial, it has fine print at the bottom also, something about a '00 tundra vs '99 big three trucks. It's called advertising. Chevy can build a truck to tow 9400 lbs.
Vinny, you never answered me in the 4Runner Explorer room. Your only argument is right down the drain. Explorers now cost just as much as 4Runners do. And this is XLT vs. SR5. The EB's and Limiteds are right up there with 4Runner Limiteds now. What lame excuse will you use now?
I burried you in data also showing how weak the V6 is in the 4-runner compared to the Explorer, along with options available and towing capacity.
Don't get me started again...
Also, once again you misquote me. I have NEVER said Toyota's were junk, just plain overrated and overpriced....
Burt is a good dealer. Watch out for the Yota dealer across the street. It's not owned by number 7 anymore.
As for the dealers, Burt is NOT a good dealer, none of the Burt dealers are. Burt Toyota royally screwed my mom (I don't want to bore everyone here with the details, but it came down to us sitting in Wally, the dealership GM's office with him telling us to our face that he didn't care and that we could not hurt his business.) Burt Ford got a chance because I live just down the street, but they were just as bad. I was lied to and treated like garbage by everyone there except the salesman. And even he never even called me back after we were very close to buying a car from him (I think he know how pissed I was when I left). The sales manager there was a real piece of work.
While I have not purchased a car from No. 7's Toyota dealership, I have always had it serviced there and have had good experiences. We'll see when it comes time to replace the 4Runner next summer, though.
She seemed shocked when I told her I liked the 4runner,but it was just too slow for me.I told her to go drive a Jeep Grand Cherokee with the 6.It felt much quicker than the Runner.A Runner with the 4.7 would be really nice.Just don't make it much more than the 6 cyl Runner,already overpriced in my opinion.
As for price, if you don't want to believe me, then don't. BUT I TRIED TO BUY ONE, VINNY. You quote screamer ads out of the paper on one stripped model, I quote real life experiences on well equipped trucks. Proving your ignorance once again.
If I quoted 288ft/lbs of torque for the 4.0 SOHC I was wrong and I do know its about 240ft/lbs.
Besides the new Sequioa from Toyota is due out soon and 4-runner sales are going to plummet....
By the way MMC, my neighbor with the 1997 4-runner dumped it for an Expedition!! LOL....
I TRIED TO BUY ONE, VINNY. Look here on Edmunds yourself. Ford has smaller margins between invoice and MSRP.
As for Expeditions, I drove one of those, too. They are nice but too big for me. Also way too much $ for me (the one I liked stickered at $40k). And I highly doubt 4Runner sales will plummet.