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  • MichaellMichaell Moderator Posts: 262,281
    breld said:

    I've had that experience a couple times now where my temps were expiring. The worst one was with a mom 'n pop shop when we bought the used Beetle for my stepdaughter. They just couldn't get the paperwork right - in one instance when I went back to their dealership to get things straight, they handed me some document with the wrong car on it.

    @Michaell - you bought it at McDonald, right? I've actually had really good experience with them on registering, receiving the notice quicker than expected for the 3 cars I've purchased with them.

    Yes, McDonald. I'm not worried - the lady at DougCo motor vehicle registration said I can extend my temp tags if necessary.

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  • MichaellMichaell Moderator Posts: 262,281
    rayainsw said:

    Sounds like these dealers need to raise their 'Doc Fees'....
    [ So maybe they can hire more competent people to handle this. ]
    - Ray
    Just kidding!

    It was almost $500, as is.

    Almost getting as bad as Florida around here.

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,350
    In Jersey, I think that the dealers actually send someone to the DMV (special dealer only lane) to do a bunch at one time. Though I have it in my head that at least bigger dealers are set up to do it on site? In any case, usually you get a call within a week that the plates are in, come get them put on. A couple did offer to mail them, for an extra fee!

    the Sonata I bought in PA, but they are close to Jersey, and are set up to deal with out of state, so it was just like working with a Jersey dealer (they collected the tax and did all the DMV work). They mailed me the plates, no charge. Only thing they forgot to do (and I neglected to notice) was put the front license plate holder on (only a rear plate in PA, so their default is to leave it off). That I just did myself (a little nerve racking taking a power drill to my brand new car!)

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  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,934
    ab348 said:

    andres3 said:


    Other than interior elegance, a few things have always steered me towards Audi and steered me away from VW:

    1) German/European vs. Mexican/American built cars (vast majority even today).


    In other news, Audi is now building cars in Mexico:

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/kbrauer/2016/10/03/audi-avoids-trumps-wrath-opening-first-luxury-car-plant-in-mexico/#27fc135b6bc0
    Will be interesting to see if the Mexican built SUV's (Q5's) show a learning curve in years to come in CR ratings. Something tells me SUV buyers might be more tolerant of defects than sedan buyers.

    Looks like they are taking the time, energy, trouble, and training to help ease the transition. Still, it is obvious to me that my European built vehicles were built with some pride of workmanship; hope that carries over.
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  • corvettecorvette Member Posts: 11,288
    When I refinanced my Murano with Alliant Credit Union, they had me file the form to add them as lien holder on the title myself. I'd never done it before, but guess I did the right thing because the county clerk took the check I mailed in and returned the title back to me with he new lien on it. 
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,736

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,350
    I saw one like that yesterday and thought it looked nice. Makes sense to be on your list. Very roomy. Really a fancy edge and I like those.

    That one is nice looking. I like the interior.

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  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,686

    First the dealer misplaced the copy of my drivers license, so they couldn't submit the paperwork. Then when the plates came in, they misaddressed the envelope with the plates and it was sent back to them.

    I probably wouldn't be so bothered by it if the finance institution didn't process the paperwork directly themselves. I mean, they have staff ONSITE that enters the data in the state system, puts the plates, tags, and registration in an envelope, and mails it. That should be ten minutes, tops. The dealer mailed the title to them on 8/10..... ???
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  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 20,285
    edited October 2016
    For all the lease deals that new car dealers do, they still seem to have some issues when it comes to the legal side. I told this story before but it's probably worth repeating :

    In 2011 I leased my Regal Turbo from the largest GM dealer in town. The sales rep was fairly new, less than a year on the job, but seemed bright and on top of things. However, the finance guy who handled all of the actual paperwork was terrible. I seem to recall him telling me he was new to them but had been in the business elsewhere for a while. I almost walked away from the whole deal because of him. After about 4 hours in the place it was finally all put to bed and they handed me the keys.

    A couple of weeks later I get the envelope in the mail from DMV I was expecting. In it were two documents: the proof of annual registration you keep in the car, and the large "suitable for framing" full-page title document that is proof of ownership. Both had my name on them. Only the proof of registration should have been in the envelope and in my name, as the certificate of title should have gone to the dealer and had their name or the finance company name on it. But I never clued into that since it was my first lease in 25 years, so I just filed the certificate with all the other paperwork and forgot about it.

    When the lease was up I never got a single contact from the dealer. GM Financial did contact me to arrange the lease-end inspection, but not a peep from the dealer. When the lease was about to expire I called them. They were surprised but assigned a sales guy who called me because the original fellow was long gone. When I finally went in, the pieces fell into place for me. They discovered they had absolutely nothing on file about my car. I opened my file and their eyes lit up when they saw the title certificate. They quickly took it and said they could not understand why it had my name on it.

    It would have been an interesting case if I had clued in earlier and just kept my mouth shut. I wonder how long I could have driven that car before anyone noticed. And if anyone finally did, I wonder what would have happened if I presented that title and said "Whaddaya talking about, it's mine".

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  • henrynhenryn Member Posts: 4,289
    On that 2011 Lincoln MKX, beware of the very early versions of the Ford Sync / MyTouch system. Very, very buggy.
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  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,686
    ab348 said:

    It would have been an interesting case if I had clued in earlier and just kept my mouth shut. I wonder how long I could have driven that car before anyone noticed. And if anyone finally did, I wonder what would have happened if I presented that title and said "Whaddaya talking about, it's mine".

    Interesting! I think they would have had a difficult time proving otherwise. :)
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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,350
    My guess, you could have traded it in off the clean title, and they never would have figured it out

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  • nyccarguynyccarguy Member Posts: 17,499
    @Mr_Shiftright

    A customer was just in my store with a triple black 1995 911 C4 Cabriolet - 6 speed - 60K miles. The car was in fantastic shape.

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  • MichaellMichaell Moderator Posts: 262,281
    nyccarguy said:

    @Mr_Shiftright

    A customer was just in my store with a triple black 1995 911 C4 Cabriolet - 6 speed - 60K miles. The car was in fantastic shape.

    In public? In the Bronx?

    Brave, brave man.

    How much is that worth?

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Hmmm....$50K-ish, perhaps a bit more because of miles.
  • MichaellMichaell Moderator Posts: 262,281

    Hmmm....$50K-ish, perhaps a bit more because of miles.

    And it's value will only increase?

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  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,686
    edited October 2016
    Perhaps with a bit of irony on the timing, my plates finally game in the mail today.
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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,350
    new Civic starting to grow on me. In dark blue. Hopefully can actually try out a 6 speed EX-T at some point.

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  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 20,285
    stickguy said:

    new Civic starting to grow on me. In dark blue. Hopefully can actually try out a 6 speed EX-T at some point.

    Growing like a fungus. That rear end cannot be forgiven.

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,736
    Maybe I should finally take this fresh start opportunity to get into the swapalease game. I see a GLK near me for $490 for 12 mos and an Edge Sport for similar terms. Problem is, it is tough to find anything that would allow me 1500 miles per month, which I think might be my minimum.

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  • rny421rny421 Member Posts: 163
    henryn said:

    On that 2011 Lincoln MKX, beware of the very early versions of the Ford Sync / MyTouch system. Very, very buggy.

    I have a 2011 Edge Limited AWD with the MyFordTouch. Knock on wood, 76k miles and no problems to date. It seems to eat tires and brakes, but it's very quiet, rides nice, is pretty quick, and I love the pano roof. I paid around $30k for it in 2012 with 20k miles. I will probably end up getting another Edge in a few years. I didn't think I would ever get the same car twice, but I have been very happy with it. I'll check out a Jeep GC again, but the 2012 I drove didn't seem to ride as nice, or wasn't nearly as quiet as the Edge. Maybe they've improved though.

    The MyFordTouch was buggy in the beginning, and it is a little slow to respond, but I have gotten used to it, and am happy with it. They have also done a series of updates to it such that I haven't had any issues with it freezing or crashing in years.
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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,350
    well, it is a little bit different, but it does look better in dark colors. I would get the dark blue, or the burgundy, and both help "hide" the interesting parts a bit.

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  • corvettecorvette Member Posts: 11,288
    edited October 2016
    The Edge and Murano were both on my short list! The Murano won out, but I think I would've been happy with an Edge, as well. It did feel quieter than the Murano, but the Murano isn't exactly loud, either.
  • breldbreld Member Posts: 6,918
    stickguy said:

    well, it is a little bit different, but it does look better in dark colors. I would get the dark blue, or the burgundy, and both help "hide" the interesting parts a bit.

    I'm with you @stickguy - the new Civic catches my eye every time I see one these days. I actually like the rear of it. What I don't like as much is all the chrome across the grill. I could see the Si getting a sportier treatment in front.

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  • 28firefighter28firefighter Member Posts: 9,826
    Picked up the car this afternoon and brought it home. Took it out tonight and first gear fell on its face, lost power, and it slipped before picking up in second. I'm livid. 

    Third visit this year for the power loss issue, second visit for the transmission slipping. Plus the whole subframe thing just makes me nervous. 

    Opening a case with VW. The power loss issue alone qualifies as a "serious safety defect" and after two attempts at diagnosis OR repair,, it qualifies under WA lemon law...
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  • tifightertifighter Member Posts: 3,786
    @28firefighter Which dealer is this? University?

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  • 28firefighter28firefighter Member Posts: 9,826
    tifighter said:
    @28firefighter Which dealer is this? University?
    Yes. 
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  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,686
    Wow.... just wow. Very sorry that you're having these issues, FF. At least you have a backup for the time being! :)

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  • nyccarguynyccarguy Member Posts: 17,499

    Picked up the car this afternoon and brought it home. Took it out tonight and first gear fell on its face, lost power, and it slipped before picking up in second. I'm livid. 

    Third visit this year for the power loss issue, second visit for the transmission slipping. Plus the whole subframe thing just makes me nervous. 

    Opening a case with VW. The power loss issue alone qualifies as a "serious safety defect" and after two attempts at diagnosis OR repair,, it qualifies under WA lemon law...

    Ugh! That stinks!

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  • jpp75jpp75 Member Posts: 1,535

    Picked up the car this afternoon and brought it home. Took it out tonight and first gear fell on its face, lost power, and it slipped before picking up in second. I'm livid. 

    Third visit this year for the power loss issue, second visit for the transmission slipping. Plus the whole subframe thing just makes me nervous. 

    Opening a case with VW. The power loss issue alone qualifies as a "serious safety defect" and after two attempts at diagnosis OR repair,, it qualifies under WA lemon law...

    Sorry to hear that FF. The Touareg is on day 4 in the shop for the transmission shudder and they can't seem to figure out why, the tech definitely feels it but short of replacing the transmission they are running out of things to try. This is why I leased.
  • corvettecorvette Member Posts: 11,288
    edited October 2016
    If you think you qualify for lemon law and want a buyback, don't let them attempt to fix it again. You want to be able to demonstrate the problem. I'd also take a video if you can. 

    I'd open a case with the BBB or whomever administers lemon law claims in your state. 

    On my G6, I think I had to send a certified letter to GM, and got a response stating I should keep bringing it back to the dealer for more repairs. I told them to go pound sand and opened a BBB case. They eventually bought the car back. 
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Member Posts: 17,499
    @qbrozen - leasetrader is a dangerous site for me to be poking around on

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  • nyccarguynyccarguy Member Posts: 17,499
    Renewing my Legacy's registration for another 2 years. $80.00 for Registration & $10.00 for the Clean Air Act Fee.

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,736
    nyccarguy said:

    @qbrozen - leasetrader is a dangerous site for me to be poking around on

    There was another that came up in the App Store called SWapp. Very few choices and almost all seem to be people trying to get out of their terrible deals, such as an X3 Xdrive28i for $617/mo or a C300 for $699. Ouch.

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    Wow what a mess, my condolences. Hopefully the customer service experience from here on won't be the "revenge for 1945" type of thing that VW became known for. I don't have any anecdotal tales about University, but I remember a VW nut co-worker wasn't too thrilled with the dealers in Bellevue, Mount Vernon, and Bellingham. I think in that case, the cars were the issue B)

    Picked up the car this afternoon and brought it home. Took it out tonight and first gear fell on its face, lost power, and it slipped before picking up in second. I'm livid. 

    Third visit this year for the power loss issue, second visit for the transmission slipping. Plus the whole subframe thing just makes me nervous. 

    Opening a case with VW. The power loss issue alone qualifies as a "serious safety defect" and after two attempts at diagnosis OR repair,, it qualifies under WA lemon law...

  • nyccarguynyccarguy Member Posts: 17,499
    qbrozen said:

    nyccarguy said:

    @qbrozen - leasetrader is a dangerous site for me to be poking around on

    There was another that came up in the App Store called SWapp. Very few choices and almost all seem to be people trying to get out of their terrible deals, such as an X3 Xdrive28i for $617/mo or a C300 for $699. Ouch.
    The ideal situation is that you have to find someone who put a boatload of "money down," has a desirable car, in your general area, with lots of miles left until the end of the lease. You don't want to have to pay to have the car shipped to you from Texas or the west coast.

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Michaell said:

    Hmmm....$50K-ish, perhaps a bit more because of miles.

    And it's value will only increase?
    I think the Porsche air-cooled craze has plateaued for the moment at least, unless we are talking about rarities.
  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 265,659
    Weird thing last night. I was driving the Audi through town, and a guy in another Audi waved at me. Didn't know that Audi guys did that. lol

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  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 265,659
    lol

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  • 28firefighter28firefighter Member Posts: 9,826
    Thanks, all. I'm trying to keep perspective on this - the reality is, I just want it fixed and I want my car back. I've started the process of opening a case with VW and will see how it goes. My car is a unicorn to some extent and I cannot get it exactly the same way now, so I would prefer not to go through any buyback process if we can just fix the issue.

    The problem, and I recognize this, is that while it is easy for me to reproduce the problem because I drive it all the time, the dealer only has it a fraction of the time to drive it. I am getting much better about understanding the conditions - cold engine, colder air outside, first two to three shifts, north of 2500 RPM. After that it behaves mostly normal, if not a bit down on power.

    @corvette I'm used to needing to take the approach that you have because the PA Lemon Laws, where I'm originally from, are very strict. However WA Lemon Law simply counts attempts at diagnosis or repair, and as long as the problem still exists, the clock is ticking. The fact that the dealer cannot figure out how to fix it or reproduce it is irrelevant. A much more consumer friendly lemon law, if I have ever seen one.
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  • 28firefighter28firefighter Member Posts: 9,826
    edited October 2016
    stickguy said:

    Probably trying to alert you that a part fell off, or it was on fire.

    Maybe it was to inform you of the death and destruction your diesel was causing behind you?

    My friends have been coming up with names and license plates for the A3 that they want me to get. Top contenders are:
    - DESL DTH
    - FU O3
    - DAS PLTR
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  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,934
    qbrozen said:

    Maybe I should finally take this fresh start opportunity to get into the swapalease game. I see a GLK near me for $490 for 12 mos and an Edge Sport for similar terms. Problem is, it is tough to find anything that would allow me 1500 miles per month, which I think might be my minimum.

    On those swap-a-lease websites what is the usual terms for who pays the "damage & excessive wear & tear" charges upon return to the dealer? Seems like a good way to avoid hassles to give someone the end of your lease.
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  • corvettecorvette Member Posts: 11,288
    edited October 2016
    I like "LOL EPA" as a TDI vanity plate. 

    If you really want to fix and keep the GTI, perhaps you can get a sympathetic ear at VW, explain the car meets the definition of a lemon, and get something out of them like an extended warranty. A friend of mine did that with his X5. Not sure VW would be so accommodating. 
  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,934
    fintail said:

    Wow what a mess, my condolences. Hopefully the customer service experience from here on won't be the "revenge for 1945" type of thing that VW became known for. I don't have any anecdotal tales about University, but I remember a VW nut co-worker wasn't too thrilled with the dealers in Bellevue, Mount Vernon, and Bellingham. I think in that case, the cars were the issue B)

    Picked up the car this afternoon and brought it home. Took it out tonight and first gear fell on its face, lost power, and it slipped before picking up in second. I'm livid. 

    Third visit this year for the power loss issue, second visit for the transmission slipping. Plus the whole subframe thing just makes me nervous. 

    Opening a case with VW. The power loss issue alone qualifies as a "serious safety defect" and after two attempts at diagnosis OR repair,, it qualifies under WA lemon law...

    Wouldn't it be more like revenge for "Manifest Destiny" by the Mexicans that built and assembled his GTI?
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  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,934

    Picked up the car this afternoon and brought it home. Took it out tonight and first gear fell on its face, lost power, and it slipped before picking up in second. I'm livid. 

    Third visit this year for the power loss issue, second visit for the transmission slipping. Plus the whole subframe thing just makes me nervous. 

    Opening a case with VW. The power loss issue alone qualifies as a "serious safety defect" and after two attempts at diagnosis OR repair,, it qualifies under WA lemon law...

    Notification you are pursuing the lemon law will usually get a dealer's attention and make them fix the problem right, which is probably all that most people want initially.... at least before 4 repair attempts.
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  • 28firefighter28firefighter Member Posts: 9,826
    corvette said:

    I like "LOL EPA" as a TDI vanity plate. 

    If you really want to fix and keep the GTI, perhaps you can get a sympathetic ear at VW, explain the car meets the definition of a lemon, and get something out of them like an extended warranty. A friend of mine did that with his X5. Not sure VW would be so accommodating. 

    I REALLY like that one. Wife caught me going through the application process for a vanity plate for the A3 and threatened to make me sleep in the car. With how restless she has been from the pregnancy, I did give it some serious consideration before closing the online window.

    I may do that. I also need to find a new VW dealer, I think. My previous service guy was a GTI owner and enthusiast, but he left recently, and I think I am feeling the effects of that as well.
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  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,934
    kyfdx said:

    Weird thing last night. I was driving the Audi through town, and a guy in another Audi waved at me. Didn't know that Audi guys did that. lol

    It happens; kinda like a club similar to what bikers do when they salute each other going by.
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  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,934

    stickguy said:

    Probably trying to alert you that a part fell off, or it was on fire.

    Maybe it was to inform you of the death and destruction your diesel was causing behind you?

    My friends have been coming up with names and license plates for the A3 that they want me to get. Top contenders are:
    - DESL DTH
    - FU O3
    - DAS PLTR
    I prefer these:

    - Suck It
    - SniffIt
    - Inhale
    - Greenie
    - Gross
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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,736
    stickguy said:

    Probably trying to alert you that a part fell off, or it was on fire.

    I did that this morning! It was a Nissan, however. I was driving behind a Sentra and started to smell burning rubber. Was not sure where it was coming from for about a mile or so and thought maybe it was even my own car. Finally saw visible smoke coming from the right-rear tire of the Sentra. The tire was completely flat and she was driving on it. I pulled up to her right at the next light, honking my horn. She knew it was flat and was trying to get to a gas station. After I told her it was seconds away from a fire, she pulled over. She had an untouched spare and the tools, so I changed it out for her. The tire she was riding on was SHREDDED and smoking quite badly.

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