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  • woodywwwoodyww Member Posts: 1,806
    I probably shouldn't tell you this, but new Pilots are reportedly being heavily discounted now. Haven't really priced them, but the Honda dealer where I drove a CRV was ranting about what a great deal I could get on a Pilot.

    The first year depreciation hit on a new Pilot, 4runner, or even a RAV4 would not be inconsequential, I think. Also I read thru some of the Pilot owner's reviews on edmunds--there were a few fairly disgruntled owners, but who knows?

    For me, I've seen a couple of super low mileage '05 or '06 4runners on craigs list recently, between $23 & $25K I think. They both went fast--everyone says how many used 4runners there are 4sale, but super-nice ones priced well seem to sell.

    But I'm just kind of into the Toyota-truck-reputation thing--not saying you shouldn't get a Pilot!
  • grandtotalgrandtotal Member Posts: 1,207
    If you're not going to keep a vehicle as long as I keep my underwear (and akangl isn't going to) it doesn't matter what you buy because it will lose a ton of money in depreciation and it will very likely be reliable.
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,023
    Andre... haven't seen you around in a while.. wondered if you were still reading these forums!

    Yeah, I still pop in here from time to time. Every once in awhile the urge to buy something pops up, but I've been able to suppress it. Haven't bought anything since April 2005, when I got my '76 LeMans. Hard to believe it's been that long already!

    I've heard of that button on the floor that changes the radio stations, but have never seen one in person.

    I got a ride lined up for next Saturday. One of my buddies is going to drive me up and then follow me back. I just hope this car isn't too cranky getting home. The seller told me that this NYer has only gone about 10 miles in the past year! Hopefully the 115 miles back home to my place will be uneventful!
  • akanglakangl Member Posts: 3,282
    If you're not going to keep a vehicle as long as I keep my underwear (and akangl isn't going to) it doesn't matter what you buy because it will lose a ton of money in depreciation and it will very likely be reliable.

    HEHEHE, since this seems to be the case would I be better off looking for a used Pilot? I know the rule used to be that it made no sense to buy a used Honda or Toyota, is this not still the case?

    My poor Durango is parked until its appt at the dealer on June 4th. Found out today that the weird "hitch" in the steering was actually the rack and pinion going south! Was cautioned not to drive it until they can fix it. Unfortunatly the dealer is booked solid until the 4th. No biggie, I'll just go back to driving the dually.......*snicker*. :blush:
  • nippononlynippononly Member Posts: 12,555
    Whoa dude! An almost 30 year old car that hasn't done more than 10 miles in a whole year, and you plan to pop on the highway in it and do 115 miles? How about towing it back? Just a thought.

    2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)

  • bumpybumpy Member Posts: 4,425
    Andre is what some people would call a "thrillseeker". :surprise:

    He'll just slide on into the old bomber, drive it until something breaks, burns, or melts, hop into the chase car to the auto parts store, come back and fix what needs fixing, and repeat until he gets back home.
  • lilengineerboylilengineerboy Member Posts: 4,116
    He'll just slide on into the old bomber, drive it until something breaks, burns, or melts, hop into the chase car to the auto parts store, come back and fix what needs fixing, and repeat until he gets back home.

    Been there, done that (I was the support car). The 250 mile drive turned into a weekend adventure but we eh, met some nice people in some really small towns (quietly hums theme from Deliverance). Actually, the project vehicle was small enough that the support vehicle could drag it for short distances at a time (and over Cuesta Grade), and its amazing the stuff that you can find in a NAPA auto parts in a small town.

    Its important to check major stuff before heading on the highway on a previously dead car. Tires, brakes, and major suspension components (idler arms, tie rods, etc) and anything blatantly wrong with the motor (missing pieces, fire hazards, bad hoses/belts, leaking like a sieve, etc).

    If you really have nothing going on, and a vehicle that can keep you from dehydrating and dying on the side of the road, you can do alright. We did put "new" used tires on it before we left, and ended up doing the brakes in a hotel parking lot...good times (yeah, I would do it again) :shades: .
  • mark156mark156 Member Posts: 1,915
    Here is the pic of the new baby.

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    Mark156 :blush:
    2010 Land Rover LR4, 2013 Honda CR-V, 2009 Bentley GTC, 1990 MB 500SL, 2001 MB S500, 2007 Lincoln TC, 1964 RR Silver Cloud III, 1995 MB E320 Cab., 2015 Prevost Liberty Coach
  • lilengineerboylilengineerboy Member Posts: 4,116
    Holy Cow, that is a nice ride. I don't think rock stars roll in something that cool. How does it drive? Does it feel like you are driving a bus or is it easy to manage? Can you feel the CR-V back there?
  • boomchekboomchek Member Posts: 5,516
    :surprise: :surprise: :surprise:

    Wow! Very nice. I like the paint scheme too, very modern looking without being over the top. That's a good buy!

    2016 Audi A7 3.0T S Line, 2021 Subaru WRX

  • mark156mark156 Member Posts: 1,915
    How does it drive? Does it feel like you are driving a bus or is it easy to manage? Can you feel the CR-V back there?

    Keep in mind, these things are made for the 70+ crowd to drive.. so, it drives like a big Cadillac Fleetwood! LOL! It has ten airbags that are constantly monitored by the computer to keep the coach even with no swaying. It is amazing how easy it is to drive.

    As long as you are aware of the height and width, it's a piece of cake to maneuver through traffic and smaller streets. The major concern are low tree branches. I think the height is 12'4". I have a button on the leveling system pad that will raise the tag axle for tighter turns. If it's not raised, the tires will be dragged on the pavement (faster wear).

    The CR-V is like pulling a feather... 44,000 lbs. vs 3,400 lbs. I had the air brakes from the coach attached to the CR-V... so, every time I apply the brakes on the coach, the Honda's brakes are applied at the same exact pressure. If I were in an accident (rear-ending someone), the police would be all over me like a spider monkey on Mountain Dew (taken from Talladega Nights movie) :blush: . Most states require that the towed vehicle have it's own braking system. I knew that if I needed to stop in an emergency situation, I didn't want 3,400 lb.s of Honda to push me an extra two feet. Every inch counts in an emergency!

    For 2008, the stripes on the side are "fading stripes".. that was a rather expensive option before that is now standard. Kinda looks like flames!

    Mark156 :D
    2010 Land Rover LR4, 2013 Honda CR-V, 2009 Bentley GTC, 1990 MB 500SL, 2001 MB S500, 2007 Lincoln TC, 1964 RR Silver Cloud III, 1995 MB E320 Cab., 2015 Prevost Liberty Coach
  • growwisegrowwise Member Posts: 296
    Is the scenery worth the money spent and hassle of driving that huge thing? I know its a roaming hotel suite but nonetheless couldnt resist asking..
  • woodywwwoodyww Member Posts: 1,806
    the rule used to be that it made no sense to buy a used Honda or Toyota, is this not still the case?

    I'll give my amateur opinion, based on my recent shopping: I used to believe in the myth that all Hondas & Toyotas had low depreciation. I think that's still true in some cases: Accords, Civics, Tacos & maybe CRV's have great resale. And of course you have to Pay thru the Nose for used Land Cruisers; that seems to be some sort of law or something.

    Pilots, 4runners, Ridgelines, possibly (?) RAV4's you'll take a big hit in the first year. But if you could get a fantastic lease rate on a new Pilot, or huge discounts, could be worth it to buy new....."maybe".....?

    You have to "shop til you drop" to get a great deal on anything, it seems (duh).....
  • mark156mark156 Member Posts: 1,915
    Well Growwise, I've only had the unit about 3 weeks and 1,500 miles... I'm very pleased with it and there is no way to justify the cost of a motor-coach. They are just plain expensive when you try to compare it to hotels, etc. It's not a cheaper way to travel.. just a different way to travel. Also, I don't find it a hassle to drive.

    I wanted to travel the country and I like the fact that I don't have to live out of a suitcase. I was just in Las Vegas for 5 nights at the Outdoor Resorts. Beautiful RV park with million plus units parked side by side. I think one of the things that I like most is that almost (really most) all the people in RV parks/resorts are very friendly. You don't really get that in hotels.

    Apparently, in the Outdoor Resorts, it's the 'thing' to have a matching-color golf cart to go with your coach. Since most people buy the lots in Outdoor Resorts, they put in fountains, special landscaping, outdoor kitchens, bars, etc. We were in the 'daily rental' section. Owners of the lots can also rent theirs out if they want.

    Mark156
    2010 Land Rover LR4, 2013 Honda CR-V, 2009 Bentley GTC, 1990 MB 500SL, 2001 MB S500, 2007 Lincoln TC, 1964 RR Silver Cloud III, 1995 MB E320 Cab., 2015 Prevost Liberty Coach
  • akanglakangl Member Posts: 3,282
    That's beautiful Mark!! Too bad your tour doesn't include Alaska.......its really pretty up here ya know!

    We picked our travel trailer up from storage on Monday, its parked at my mom's old house, no room for it here. Maybe someday we'll get a bigger one, ours seems so small in comparision to most of them out there, lol.
  • akanglakangl Member Posts: 3,282
    Pilots, 4runners, Ridgelines, possibly (?) RAV4's you'll take a big hit in the first year. But if you could get a fantastic lease rate on a new Pilot, or huge discounts, could be worth it to buy new....."maybe".....?

    That's interesting. I guess I'll be shopping for a used one then. I don't mind used, especially if I can save a few $$$.

    The original window sticker was still in the Durango's owner's manual. That thing had an MSRP of $35,380 when it was new. Kind of sobering when its life really isn't even 1/2 over at 70k miles yet I bought it for less than 1/3 of its original MSRP.
  • fezofezo Member Posts: 10,386
    I'm trying to picture Mark trying to drive that thing in Alaska.....

    Talk about getting there being half the fun!...
    2015 Mazda 6 Grand Touring, 2014 Mazda 3 Sport Hatchback, 1999 Mazda Miata 2004 Toyota Camry LE, 1999.
  • akanglakangl Member Posts: 3,282
    I'm trying to picture Mark trying to drive that thing in Alaska.....

    Talk about getting there being half the fun!...


    You'd be surprised! I've seen bigger ones than that up here. We do have roads ya know.....lol. :P
  • fezofezo Member Posts: 10,386
    "We do have roads ya know.....lol."

    You're sure about that? Like pavement and everything?

    How about getting there? Can something that big get up through the Alaska highway or should be have it shipped? ;)
    2015 Mazda 6 Grand Touring, 2014 Mazda 3 Sport Hatchback, 1999 Mazda Miata 2004 Toyota Camry LE, 1999.
  • akanglakangl Member Posts: 3,282
    You're sure about that? Like pavement and everything?

    How about getting there? Can something that big get up through the Alaska highway or should be have it shipped?


    Technically we have pavement......although DOT would sometimes have you believe otherwise. :blush:

    I dunno, I'd imagine it could manuever the Alaska hwy, the other big ones have. The frost heaves around Beaver Creek, YT are NOT for the faint of heart! We did those in the winter (when they are much better) pulling a 22' horse trailer, 20 mph in most places, less in others. Took us forever to get through there or so it seemed. :sick:

    Just gotta be brave is all! ;)
  • mark156mark156 Member Posts: 1,915
    I took a motor-coach trip through the Yukon and Alaska back in '97. Part of the trip included a big motor-coach that had an accordion middle. The front 2/3rds was for bus type seating and the rear (after the accordion) was the refreshment area and bathroom. I think we were about 60 ft. total length.

    We drove through the back roads of the Yukon including Chicken Alaska. The touring company hired a 'front' vehicle that had a sign attached to the roof that said something like "Large Coach coming". The roads were quite narrow but very manageable.

    I really don't think I'll take the coach to Alaska. My motorhome magazine says that the roads can be pretty rough and to plan on buying a windshield. My one-piece windshield is about $2,700.

    At some point, I would like to drive all the way across Canada from Vancouver to Niagara Falls!

    Mark156
    2010 Land Rover LR4, 2013 Honda CR-V, 2009 Bentley GTC, 1990 MB 500SL, 2001 MB S500, 2007 Lincoln TC, 1964 RR Silver Cloud III, 1995 MB E320 Cab., 2015 Prevost Liberty Coach
  • grandtotalgrandtotal Member Posts: 1,207
    At some point, I would like to drive all the way across Canada from Vancouver to Niagara Falls!

    That's half way across Canada! The other half is worth seeing too.
  • fezofezo Member Posts: 10,386
    "My one-piece windshield is about $2,700." I've had cars that cost about that....
    2015 Mazda 6 Grand Touring, 2014 Mazda 3 Sport Hatchback, 1999 Mazda Miata 2004 Toyota Camry LE, 1999.
  • mark156mark156 Member Posts: 1,915
    Fezo, that is true as my friend who has a 2006 Lexus RX400h had to replace his and it was $2,600.

    Some friends of mine who bought a new Monaco Signature motor-coach (top of Monaco's line) had a rock fall of a dump truck then bounce and hit their windshield. The cost was $2,700 which was cover by insurance.

    The Jeeps I had in the past were less than $200 (Grand Cherokee's). :confuse:

    Mark156 :)
    2010 Land Rover LR4, 2013 Honda CR-V, 2009 Bentley GTC, 1990 MB 500SL, 2001 MB S500, 2007 Lincoln TC, 1964 RR Silver Cloud III, 1995 MB E320 Cab., 2015 Prevost Liberty Coach
  • mark156mark156 Member Posts: 1,915
    Thanks Grand.. I need to check my atlas! LOL!

    Mark156 :blush:
    2010 Land Rover LR4, 2013 Honda CR-V, 2009 Bentley GTC, 1990 MB 500SL, 2001 MB S500, 2007 Lincoln TC, 1964 RR Silver Cloud III, 1995 MB E320 Cab., 2015 Prevost Liberty Coach
  • british_roverbritish_rover Member Posts: 8,502
    Once you have those big one sheet units that have rain sensors and/or heating elements in them the price goes up big time.

    The windshield in your LR3 is well over 1,000 dollars.
  • mark156mark156 Member Posts: 1,915
    BR, I knew a windshield in the LR3 would be expensive. Hopefully, it will never need replacing!

    I just had my 15,000 service and I also had Land Rover replace the rear view mirror as the paint was chipping off of garage button #2. They gave me a whole new different style mirror with the garage buttons under the mirror, not on the front like the previous one. I think I will like this one as it's cleaner looking.

    Mark156 :)
    2010 Land Rover LR4, 2013 Honda CR-V, 2009 Bentley GTC, 1990 MB 500SL, 2001 MB S500, 2007 Lincoln TC, 1964 RR Silver Cloud III, 1995 MB E320 Cab., 2015 Prevost Liberty Coach
  • akanglakangl Member Posts: 3,282
    It just might come true after what happened today! The Durango has a steering/suspension problem, can't get a darn appt at the dealer until June 4th. I'm about to trade the darn thing in on a little car!

    I hit a small bump (one I've hit with any other vehicle going well over the speed limit) today going well under the speed limit, heck, I even slammed on the brakes to make sure I wasn't going too fast since I know how it can be. It came down hard and I lost all steering with it, I was lucky to be able to stop. I called hubby and told him he can drive the darn thing from now on and I'm driving the dually.

    I found the little car I want, there's ONE in the state...........oh the temptation!

    Ok, somebody talk me down! I keep trying to say its only temporary and maybe replacing the shocks, front bushings, plus the bad rack and pinion will fix it. Yes, I know what's wrong with it, had a suspension inspection to try to figure out why it was acting so funny.
  • british_roverbritish_rover Member Posts: 8,502
    Oh yeah they redesigned the mirror because of that problem actually.
  • steine13steine13 Member Posts: 2,825
    Aren't we CCBA'ers required to take our used cars to a pre-purchase inspection, with an accent on the "pre"?

    If you completely fly by the seat of your pants, buying used doesn't save a lot of money in the long run.

    New isn't such a good choice for you 'cuz you trade so often... so it's gotta be used, and you gotta do it right.

    You'll need to fix the Dodge one way or the other, so you might as well fix it and drive it.

    I'm on the wagon myself; no purchase in six months.. it's difficult sometimes...

    Take it easy,
    -Mathias
  • woodywwwoodyww Member Posts: 1,806
    You didn't get an ext. warranty? What's the cost for the repairs? CR lists Suspension as a major problem area for Durangos......

    This is a bummer--I'm getting depressed just thinking about it. And not to rag on Mopar stuff, but my grandad had a string of Chryslers in the 70's that kept blowing transmissions 6 mo. after the 12 mo. warranty ran out. Then there was the Barracuda I owned which kept blowing engines & got 10 mpg. And the '68 Charger which drove me nuts with problems.

    Your Pilot idea--IF you got a great deal, plenty of warranty, not too many miles, is sounding better.....
  • akanglakangl Member Posts: 3,282
    Aren't we CCBA'ers required to take our used cars to a pre-purchase inspection, with an accent on the "pre"?

    Normally I do and I should have, especially on a 6 year old car with 70k on it from the east coast. I knew that the brakes were an issue with it......and oh boy they were certainly an issue......4 days AFTER I bought it. Thankfully the dealer stepped up and did the repair.

    I'm kicking myself for not taking it for a pre-purchase. However, I was under it while it was on the lift the other day for the inspection (after the sale of course) and it looks great except for the issues its having now. I mean this little truck has never even seen off road, its not scrapped up or roughed up in any way. So, I'm not sure a pre-purchase would have changed anything. The tech the other day said it was in great shape other than the couple things that it needs (leaky rack and pinion, shocks, and bushings for the front sway bar). The only leak on the whole truck is the tranny pan gasket and its minor.

    I guess I'm just missing having a NEW car instead of a used one with 73k on it. So, I'm hunting for excuses.....I admit it, lol.

    I checked Nada book on the little car I was wanting (its a new 06) and boy was that a reality check, YEOWCH, talk about depreciation. Scratch that idea!
  • akanglakangl Member Posts: 3,282
    You didn't get an ext. warranty? What's the cost for the repairs? CR lists Suspension as a major problem area for Durangos......

    Your Pilot idea--IF you got a great deal, plenty of warranty, not too many miles, is sounding better.....

    I did get an ESC for it a Chrysler Max Care, it covers everything including the shocks. Otherwise I'm betting the repairs would put a bit of a dent in the hip national bank. I'll have to pay $100 instead of be on the hook for everything.

    The Pilot will come in due time, I just have to be patient.......I HATE being patient!
  • growwisegrowwise Member Posts: 296
    Pilot is already looking outdated. Are you sure you would want it by the time you are done with durango?
  • grandtotalgrandtotal Member Posts: 1,207
    Sure, the Durango only has a week or two left, and then it will be traded for the next vehicle. Whatever is next will be traded in 12 months or so, so the looks of the Pilot (if that is next) are not a problem. In fact they may be a benefit, as in "I can't drive this old-fashioned looking thing around any more". Smile
  • nippononlynippononly Member Posts: 12,555
    LOL! That sounds like MY pattern more than once in the past! :-)

    Luckily on the various occasions when I have bought used, I have never had cause to trade it later on due to excessive repair needs. It's always because the "next great thing" caught my eye! ;-)

    2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)

  • akanglakangl Member Posts: 3,282
    Would have me committed if I told you what the car was the I was considering, lol. If it was used I'd go for it, but being new I can't stomach that much of a drop in value the second I sit down in the driver's seat. :sick:
  • smittynycsmittynyc Member Posts: 289
    The brand-new redesigned Kia Sorento?
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    PT Cruiser???
  • gussguss Member Posts: 1,167
    I would guess Zippy's twin.
  • nippononlynippononly Member Posts: 12,555
    the apple of Jolie's eye is a Ford Focus.

    2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)

  • mark156mark156 Member Posts: 1,915
    She's thinking Ford Explorer!!!

    Mark156
    2010 Land Rover LR4, 2013 Honda CR-V, 2009 Bentley GTC, 1990 MB 500SL, 2001 MB S500, 2007 Lincoln TC, 1964 RR Silver Cloud III, 1995 MB E320 Cab., 2015 Prevost Liberty Coach
  • nippononlynippononly Member Posts: 12,555
    Oh nooooo, from a used Durango to a used Explorer? I am not sure about the advisability of that move...

    Of course, per some posters here on the boards, the new Explorer is a really nice model, and a big improvement over the pre-'06.

    2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)

  • woodywwwoodyww Member Posts: 1,806
    It's real tough, being a car addict (duh). Some people here, or who write columns in the Roundel, apparently have it down to a science, ie: Guys (or gals), who can constantly buy & sell (usually older, under $10K used cars), & do well.

    But a lot of us really have to control ourselves, in order not to jeopardise our financial situations.

    I was glad to hear you have an ext. warranty on the durango, & that they'll replace a whole bunch of parts for almost free. If I had a durango, w/warranty, in my driveway, unless I HATED it, I'd keep it.

    Jus my 2 cents, woody
  • akanglakangl Member Posts: 3,282
    You guys crack me up! Yes its a 2006 Ford Focus wagon, nicely loaded, cute car. I'm not thrilled about the color, but they sure have it discounted big time! I really did love my Zippy........miss her all the time!

    However, I highly doubt I'll do it, I don't really care for the Durango, but its liveable I guess. Thankfully its nearly horse show season so I'll have the dually most of the time and won't have to drive the Durango except for a couple times a month. If things go right this summer I can have it paid off by December.......THEN can I get a new car???
  • gussguss Member Posts: 1,167
    I happened to stop by my Ford dealer about 2 weeks ago to check out 2007 Focus wagons. He said they don't even order them any more because they don't sell very well.

    I think you can bargain pretty hard on a used one because the new one have a $3k rebate even though I think they are selling pretty well. I guess everyone is waiting for the 2008 redesign.

    If you have a Mazda dealer near you check out the 3 hatch. It has almost as much room and extra year of warranty. Plus you get the better platform the '08 Focus will be on.
  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 265,569
    Mazdas don't have the 4-year warranty, any more.. They switched to 3/36 and 5/60 powertrain to match their competitors....

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  • akanglakangl Member Posts: 3,282
    I happened to stop by my Ford dealer about 2 weeks ago to check out 2007 Focus wagons. He said they don't even order them any more because they don't sell very well.

    That's too bad, the Focus is a very neat car. I put 54k on my 04 ZX3, loved that little car. I drove it in everything, snow, ice storms, nothing bothered that car. My only regrets with Zippy is that I didn't get a wagon and I didn't get pwr stuff, a/c, and cruise. Zippy was darn near as base as they came, only option was ABS brakes. Had I gotten the options on it I think I would still have it. They are fun as heck to drive!

    I might check out the Mazda just for grins, let's see if I can get away with dragging hubby car shopping.......*snicker*. :P
  • nippononlynippononly Member Posts: 12,555
    I don't think the '08 Focus will be on the Euro-Focus platform that the Mazda3 is built on, will it? The '08 is just a new plastic face and an options and body style reconfiguration. The Focus that is expected to actually be reengineered is the 2010 Focus.

    2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)

  • akanglakangl Member Posts: 3,282
    To look at this logically. I don't think going back to a small car is going to be something I'll be happy about for very long.

    So, I've switched gears in my internet car shopping to small SUVs and minivans. Looking at all of them online I've narrowed it to the CR-V and the Odyssey. Totally different I know, but I'm trying to decide if I want to keep my 7 pass seating or if 5 will do. Kids are older and have friends......thus the concern, lol.

    Hubby's been sort of *window* shopping with me and he said if we are going to buy something that there are conditions on it. 1. I have to wait until fall 2. it has to at least scrape the 30 mpg mark for hwy mileage 3. it has to have good resale value and 4. I have to sell the Durango on my own.

    Gives me hope that maybe I won't be stuck with the Durango forever! I should be able to get close to what I paid for it I'd imagine, its in the low enough price range where it should be easy to sell. Downside to it is the gas mileage and the cost of gas......*grumble*
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