Chronic Car Buyers Anonymous (Archived)

fintail

I am going to tell him more than once to keep all the paperwork around this repair, and give me data on what really ends up happening. I wouldn't want that risk either - just the thought of it developing a weird incurable squeak scares me.

stickguy said:

I would not want a brand new car that had to have the entire interior dismantled and the dashboard replaced.
That is a huge job, and the odds of problems resulting from it are a risk I would not want to take.

corvette

Great pics! I'll have to put that on the list the next time I'm in that area. 

cdnpinhead

andres3 said:

Absolutely one of the best sporty drives you can have in the State of CA. I went all the way up to Maricopa.

Very nice! Thanks for the report. I haven't done that road in a long long time. CA 166 is no slouch either, in places.

cdnpinhead

It's not hard to outrun a motorcycle on a curvy road, since they can't drift and have zero margin for error. I've left many motorcycles behind on the curves. First noticed it between Sausalito and Stinson Beach many years ago on the PCH.

fintail

I can probably outrun a Harley in my fintail on some roads too

But I think a skilled rider (that's the key) on a modern sportbike should be able to dust a modern mild performance car.

cdnpinhead

Could be, but the people I've seen in the Sierra and the CA coast, among other places, certainly don't ride like that. In the European passes in the Alps the riders seem more skilled, but the various caution signs showing motorcycles sailing off into the wild blue yonder (I'm not making this up) indicate that there's a downside.

Michaell

@andres3 - I used to take 33 frequently with friends and family when we went 4-wheeling. It is a nice piece of road. A close family friend owns a spread up that way, as well.

Thanks for the pictures - and the memories.

fintail

All comes down to the rider. Bikes can be Veyron-fast for the price of a Fiesta, which encourages an element. I'd wager an experienced rider on a R1/S1000RR etc could pull awak from a typical TT/TTS driver in little time.

andres3

fintail said:

Pics or it didn't happen about outrunning a sportbike - if true, it was a bad bike or a bad rider

Despite the great pavement, there are still unexpected mid-corner bumps here and there, and also the occasional fallen rock from cliffs above laying on the roadway. Thankfully, none big enough to threaten the undercarriage of my car as long as my tires avoided them, but on a bike I'd imagine any rock over an inch could be problematic.

Some rare spots with a little dirt and dust/gravel accumulation. All the more reason I like my wide 255 tires at all 4 corners of a vehicle while cornering with some serious G's.

andres3

fintail said:

All comes down to the rider. Bikes can be Veyron-fast for the price of a Fiesta, which encourages an element. I'd wager an experienced rider on a R1/S1000RR etc could pull awak from a typical TT/TTS driver in little time.

Who says anything about me being typical as a driver?

Also, this driver is certainly aided; as my TTS is pretty much a stock previous generation TTRS with the Stage 1 tune, extremely lightweight OZ Racing Forged 19x9 wheels wrapped in 255/35R19 Michelin Sport Cup 2's.

fintail

Any credentials? I know the revenuers nab you now and then But compared to the national average, yeah, no doubt you are better.

A reasonably skilled rider on a S1000RR would run rings around that car, even as fast as it is. Modern superbikes have amazingly sophisticated safety nannies, too.

andres3 said:

Also, this driver is certainly aided; as my TTS is pretty much a stock previous generation TTRS with the Stage 1 tune, extremely lightweight OZ Racing Forged 19x9 wheels wrapped in 255/35R19 Michelin Sport Cup 2's.

andres3

Mr_Shiftright said:

andres3 said:

Mr_Shiftright said:

People tend to overestimate what AWD can do, and not as keenly aware of what it cannot do.

Would be interesting to find out if insurance charges differ between AWD and 2WD. If insurance costs are the same, it would mean AWD is indeed "safer" since AWD costs more to purchase and repair/replace.

Yes, the laws of Physics still apply.

Don't think so--it's more tied to the type of car. There are some AWD that are cheaper to insure--say Outbacks or Wranglers, and some much more expensive than average, like Audis or Porsche Carrera 4s or Benz 4Matic. So insurance $$$ are more related to "bending" than traction I think.

it's the old story--the driver and the tires factor in more than the drive system.

Well, there are several models where a fair comparison could be made between the 2WD version vs. the AWD version (A4 Ultra vs. Quattro, BMW i vs. x, Volvo's, Acura's. As I said, they could be identical except for an option or 2 at most, and the usual $2-3K upcharge for the AWD.

Mr_Shiftright

fintail said:

All comes down to the rider. Bikes can be Veyron-fast for the price of a Fiesta, which encourages an element. I'd wager an experienced rider on a R1/S1000RR etc could pull awak from a typical TT/TTS driver in little time.

Yeah, I'd also bet on the powerful bike with a good rider always beating the street car, and probably a very good beating at that. And a champ rider can beat a race car, too (as seen on Top Gear) but not such a runaway victory.

Michaell

Something that caught my eye, only because of the color combo

andres3

fintail said:

Any credentials? I know the revenuers nab you now and then But compared to the national average, yeah, no doubt you are better.

A reasonably skilled rider on a S1000RR would run rings around that car, even as fast as it is. Modern superbikes have amazingly sophisticated safety nannies, too.

andres3 said:

Also, this driver is certainly aided; as my TTS is pretty much a stock previous generation TTRS with the Stage 1 tune, extremely lightweight OZ Racing Forged 19x9 wheels wrapped in 255/35R19 Michelin Sport Cup 2's.

Well, perhaps this guy wasn't on a "super" bike. I believe the 1000 models your refer to are top of the line super bike; correct?. Although this guy was wearing full body black protective gear on to match his black bike, I really didn't get a good look at it, as it was only seen in my rear-view mirror

However, if I had to guess, maybe he had only a mid-level sport bike.

stickguy

Michaell said:

Something that caught my eye, only because of the color combo

that is snazzy

stickguy

told the wife that now that we are back from long weekend away, I needed to make up my list of cars to look at. Should be a fun exercise! No clue how many will get to, and how many she will come along to see.

Friday marks 2 months exactly until lease ends (and I am still about 30 miles short of 20K on it). Still planning to give it back, but may decide I need another month and just keep the payments rolling. But probably not.

andres3

fintail said:

I can probably outrun a Harley in my fintail on some roads too

But I think a skilled rider (that's the key) on a modern sportbike should be able to dust a modern mild performance car.

Certainly there are a lot of "Fail" videos on YouTube showing that 2-wheeled sport bikes sometimes suffer bad fates on the very tight twisty roads.

Certainly Audi performance cars inspire high levels of confidence even in entry-level performance drivers. I think that's why they are the most popular they've ever been in recent years. The stability of quattro with great tires may make one overly confident, while it seems sport bike drivers are more cautious when "pushing" it.

I was definitely going way too fast to avoid a large rock in the middle of my lane. If my car didn't clear a rock with the stock ride-height, I'd of been in a world of hurt. There was one rock that made me wince, but in truth I probably cleared it by 1-2".

Credentials? If I had started younger maybe I could have been a race car driver. I first got my A3 when I was almost 29 years old, and I didn't get into high-performance driving until my 30's.

In the Audi Club I'm the highest "student" level at track HPDE events, if that can be considered a credential. While I'm not passing everyone, I'm not getting passed all the time either.

A couple of people have commented on my driving skill. Particularly when I was driving my old A3 and keeping up with modded S4's. More recently during a spirited back road drive, someone asked how I was able to keep up with a loaner A3 while my TTS was in the shop, as the guy asking said he had basically "done everything" to his modded S4 and was having trouble keeping up.

OK, so that definitely fed my ego

Trying to avoid just telling him "driver skill level," as that would come off as conceited, I mentioned how I had a lot of previous experience driving an A3, since I owned one for nearly 8 years.

fintail

Even a R6 or CBR/GSXR600 will be insanely fast with the right rider. That's the key here, it takes insanely more skill to take a bike near its limits than a car - and those limits are a lot higher.

Had it been me on that bike, yeah, you probably could have beaten me

andres3 said:

Well, perhaps this guy wasn't on a "super" bike. I believe the 1000 models your refer to are top of the line super bike; correct?. Although this guy was wearing full body black protective gear on to match his black bike, I really didn't get a good look at it, as it was only seen in my rear-view mirror

However, if I had to guess, maybe he had only a mid-level sport bike.

fintail

I see a lot of fail videos about cars, too. In fact, entire videos devoted to Audi I believe the cars give a feeling of confidence, I see it a lot when they weave through traffic, nary a turn signal to be seen, the local po-po hoping one breezes into his trap.

Most skilled (sport) bikers I know regularly take it to the track as a hobby, and are competitive there - as in they keep score to some degree, not just dinking around as I would do. I look at that as a mild credential. The squids who are out in shorts and flip flops, no.

A lot of machines depend on the driver as much as the vehicle. I am sure you are fine, your vehicle is shiny side up

andres3 said:

Certainly there are a lot of "Fail" videos on YouTube showing that 2-wheeled sport bikes sometimes suffer bad fates on the very tight twisty roads.

Certainly Audi performance cars inspire high levels of confidence even in entry-level performance drivers. I think that's why they are the most popular they've ever been in recent years. The stability of quattro with great tires may make one overly confident, while it seems sport bike drivers are more cautious when "pushing" it.

OK, so that definitely fed my ego

Trying to avoid just telling him "driver skill level," as that would come off as conceited, I mentioned how I had a lot of previous experience driving an A3, since I owned one for nearly 8 years.

fintail

If I was in a 350 (or much more) hp car and a skilled looking rider on a R1 or S1000RR wanted to compete, I don't think I would take the bet.

Mr_Shiftright said:

Yeah, I'd also bet on the powerful bike with a good rider always beating the street car, and probably a very good beating at that. And a champ rider can beat a race car, too (as seen on Top Gear) but not such a runaway victory.

andres3

fintail said:

I see a lot of fail videos about cars, too. In fact, entire videos devoted to Audi I believe the cars give a feeling of confidence, I see it a lot when they weave through traffic, nary a turn signal to be seen, the local po-po hoping one breezes into his trap.

Most skilled (sport) bikers I know regularly take it to the track as a hobby, and are competitive there - as in they keep score to some degree, not just dinking around as I would do. I look at that as a mild credential. The squids who are out in shorts and flip flops, no.

A lot of machines depend on the driver as much as the vehicle. I am sure you are fine, your vehicle is shiny side up

andres3 said:

Certainly there are a lot of "Fail" videos on YouTube showing that 2-wheeled sport bikes sometimes suffer bad fates on the very tight twisty roads.

Certainly Audi performance cars inspire high levels of confidence even in entry-level performance drivers. I think that's why they are the most popular they've ever been in recent years. The stability of quattro with great tires may make one overly confident, while it seems sport bike drivers are more cautious when "pushing" it.

OK, so that definitely fed my ego

Trying to avoid just telling him "driver skill level," as that would come off as conceited, I mentioned how I had a lot of previous experience driving an A3, since I owned one for nearly 8 years.

Hahaha, I couldn't take a motorcycle rider/driver wearing flip flops and shorts seriously. At least look the part with some knee pads

Of course I know anyone with some money can get "all geared up" and look like Iron Man on a bike. If they are skimming the asphalt with their knee pad I assume they know what they are doing (or are insane).

Confidence and stupidity are 2 different things. Not using turn signals definitely falls into the latter category.

Weaving is sometimes a necessity when time is money and cars camp in the left lane; still there are varying levels of aggressiveness to weavers. I like a video where it shows a car violating the double yellows and the HOV carpool lane laws at the same time, but at least they used their turn signal!

andres3

fintail said:

If I was in a 350 (or much more) hp car and a skilled looking rider on a R1 or S1000RR wanted to compete, I don't think I would take the bet.

Mr_Shiftright said:

Yeah, I'd also bet on the powerful bike with a good rider always beating the street car, and probably a very good beating at that. And a champ rider can beat a race car, too (as seen on Top Gear) but not such a runaway victory.

Are we talking track or street? Closed street course, or open to all Toyota traffic that might be on the roadway?

Weight matters so much. 300 HP and 3,000 lbs seems to be the right formula for a great car. Up the horsepower for more weight. Less is required if you lose weight.

andres3

Mr_Shiftright said:

Not sure I get the point of this one---I guess a competitor to the Cayenne? When does HP get absurd?

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/auto/2018-jeep-grand-cherokee-trackhawk/preview/?ftag=CAD13782fc&bhid=23296987479610025145942368791510

To embarrass "sports cars" at the drag strip? I know someone was dragging an F150 and winning over a lot sportier looking cars the other day. They must enjoy showing people up.

tbirdmarco

forgot to rite inhear mom had an miner acadent with the 2016 Nissan Maxima she is ok! she had gon upstate to see my sister in college for the weekend this past Saturday. whall the car was parked sum one backed in to it and distroied the rear pasanger side tail light and the surrounding arias trunk lid was fine. $4000 worth of damage and will take 10 days to fix she got an BMW 4 sears convertabal silver have to see the interior color in the day light fully lloaded all the rental car company had left an real rairity usally most rental cars are striper mottles! al tho last year my aunt got an fully loaded ford edge when there explorier was in the body shop from damage! forget what rental company she used. will ask mom witch rental car company she is using that is it for now! have to ride in the BMW an bit the next 10 days told her she will be so spoiled lollol

tbirdmarco

@suydam like the new leefe!

tbirdmarco

@Michaell cant stand the new lexis stiling

corvette

Marco, glad your mom is okay!

tbirdmarco

@fintail glad the parts are cumming in wow they have to replace the dash bord want to hear the outcume on this all! shore he will be fine! happens!

tbirdmarco

@corvette thank you yes the mane thing car you can alwas get an nother one!

tbirdmarco

@stickguy cante wae to hear the bnew list

ab348

stickguy said:

Michaell said:

Something that caught my eye, only because of the color combo

that is snazzy

That ain't Iridium Silver as it says in the writeup though. Odd color, they must not have offered that long. I like it.

That has the uncommon chrome luxury front end treatment too.

fintail

Anywhere. Biker can hit top end and vanish like the Millennium Falcon on an open road, and can lane split and get away in traffic. On a track, all he needs is a little straight. S1000RR is ~200 hp and ~450 lbs.

My car is more like 200 hp and 4000 lbs, but it has almost 400 lb/ft, so it moves along just fine.

andres3 said:

Are we talking track or street? Closed street course, or open to all Toyota traffic that might be on the roadway?

Weight matters so much. 300 HP and 3,000 lbs seems to be the right formula for a great car. Up the horsepower for more weight. Less is required if you lose weight.

fintail

If they actually replace the dashboard (I am still not 100% sold on his story), I think he should ask for the defective one as a souvenir.

Marcothecarguy1986 said:

@fintail glad the parts are cumming in wow they have to replace the dash bord want to hear the outcume on this all! shore he will be fine! happens!

fintail

They'd be the ones you want to race - you can probably beat them without sweating too hard

When you see the guy in the bug splattered helmet and worn out knee pucks, he's the one who might do some schooling.

By weaving, I mean on 35 mph arterials when you might get 2 cars ahead at a light, all with no signals, of course. It's the Seattle way. I can admit that MBs attract a grandfatherly crowd, and I will say that Audi seems to attract the stereotypical BMW crowd from times past, especially as BMWs get heavier and less sporty.

I've used the carpool lane as a passing lane more than once. No cops, no cameras, away I go.

andres3 said:

Hahaha, I couldn't take a motorcycle rider/driver wearing flip flops and shorts seriously. At least look the part with some knee pads

Of course I know anyone with some money can get "all geared up" and look like Iron Man on a bike. If they are skimming the asphalt with their knee pad I assume they know what they are doing (or are insane).

Confidence and stupidity are 2 different things. Not using turn signals definitely falls into the latter category.

Weaving is sometimes a necessity when time is money and cars camp in the left lane; still there are varying levels of aggressiveness to weavers. I like a video where it shows a car violating the double yellows and the HOV carpool lane laws at the same time, but at least they used their turn signal!

stickguy

well, look at the oddball my local dealer has. This is the place that I got my 2005 stick EXL from. first saw it around this time of year (in 2005) and ended up back buying it the week before Christmas. If this one is still buried on the back lot in a few months, and they get desperate, who knows!

https://www.burnshonda.com/vehicle-details/new-2017-honda-accord-sedan-ex-1HGCR2E78HA265566

Sandman6472

Irma is coming...we're in the "cone" right now. Gas lines started yesterday and water is hard to come by. Schools closed the next couple of days. Many places closing tomorrow at noon. Luckily, am off tomorrow and not going in Friday as that's when the show should begin. Best to either flee or hunker down. After Wilma in 2005, said I'd flee next time and was seriously thinking about Atlanta but the wife has convinced me to stay home though, I strongly disagree.
Both have 3/4 of petrol as finding an open station with any supply is difficult and then wasting it sitting for an hour also makes no sense. Just gonna stay home and wait. Have water, non perishable items just in case we loose power. Unlike Harvey, Irma will move through the area and be gone. But course is still unknown. The t v just makes it worse and gets folks into a frenzy, gotta be a better way to do this coverage!
But, a safety hazard to be out once the winds pick up and employers need to be cognizant of this fact. I like my job but it's not worth possibly getting hurt on the roads so just staying home till it passes. If they want to fire me because I value my safety, then screw 'em! But hopefully, they will see Irma ain't no laughing matter, at this juncture.
So, pray for us in South Florida and anyone else who gets caught in Irma's path. And if there is destruction down here, don't forget us like they did in 2005 after Katrina. We also had massage problems with destruction and long power outages but no one seemed to care about us which is unfair. It's the most dangerous storm on record right now, a Cat 5, so this ain't nothing to ignore. Wish us luck and help us if indeed afterwards, we need it!
Personally, I'm very scared on this one and I've been through many down here in South Florida. I'm real scared right now!!!

The Sandman

corvette

Thinking of you, Sandy, hope you and your loved ones stay safe!

tifighter

corvette said:

Thinking of you, Sandy, hope you and your loved ones stay safe!

Ditto to Sandy. Hang in there!

tifighter

Since I have become accustomed to Carplay in the Kia, I added an aftermarket head unit to the 86 today. It is a Pioneer unit that fortunately does not look any more disco than the factory head unit. In addition to Carplay, it also connects to the OBD2 info from the car and can display things like intake, exhaust and oil temps, TPMS info for each tire, engine load, DTE and fuel stats, throttle info and tons of other stuff. Factory back up camera, bluetooth mics and inputs remain, with no modification. All in all, I'm pretty happy with it.

tbirdmarco

@fintail that is an grate idea! if that is the case your frend should do that! would be so funny!

tbirdmarco

@stickguy nice car! yes you just might end up getting lucky for the secand time! if you do end up going this way! and not with an nother posabal option! the stick shift might work in your faver to keep it around till cristmess time! how long have they had it so far!

tbirdmarco

@sandman_6472 will pray for you and your family! your job should understand! if they don't like you said above scrue them!

tbirdmarco

@tifighter nice on putting the new head unit in the new ride!

sda

sandman_6472 said:

Irma is coming...we're in the "cone" right now. Gas lines started yesterday and water is hard to come by. Schools closed the next couple of days. Many places closing tomorrow at noon. Luckily, am off tomorrow and not going in Friday as that's when the show should begin. Best to either flee or hunker down. After Wilma in 2005, said I'd flee next time and was seriously thinking about Atlanta but the wife has convinced me to stay home though, I strongly disagree.
Both have 3/4 of petrol as finding an open station with any supply is difficult and then wasting it sitting for an hour also makes no sense. Just gonna stay home and wait. Have water, non perishable items just in case we loose power. Unlike Harvey, Irma will move through the area and be gone. But course is still unknown. The t v just makes it worse and gets folks into a frenzy, gotta be a better way to do this coverage!
But, a safety hazard to be out once the winds pick up and employers need to be cognizant of this fact. I like my job but it's not worth possibly getting hurt on the roads so just staying home till it passes. If they want to fire me because I value my safety, then screw 'em! But hopefully, they will see Irma ain't no laughing matter, at this juncture.
So, pray for us in South Florida and anyone else who gets caught in Irma's path. And if there is destruction down here, don't forget us like they did in 2005 after Katrina. We also had massage problems with destruction and long power outages but no one seemed to care about us which is unfair. It's the most dangerous storm on record right now, a Cat 5, so this ain't nothing to ignore. Wish us luck and help us if indeed afterwards, we need it!
Personally, I'm very scared on this one and I've been through many down here in South Florida. I'm real scared right now!!!

The Sandman

I pray for your safety and everyone who will be impacted by this monster storm. Having experienced hurricane Camille in '69 in New Orleans, I was 10, Hugo in '89 in Charlotte, if I were you, as difficult as it may seem, I would evacuate to a safer area. Your life is too precious. Why suffer the trauma of living through hours of relentless wind, rain and uncertainty? Stay safe.

Sandman6472

Wish I could but, she will not budge. How can I go alone??? I can't. It'll all work out somehow or another!

The Sandman

nyccarguy

Stay safe @sandman_6472

andres3

fintail said:

Anywhere. Biker can hit top end and vanish like the Millennium Falcon on an open road, and can lane split and get away in traffic. On a track, all he needs is a little straight. S1000RR is ~200 hp and ~450 lbs.

My car is more like 200 hp and 4000 lbs, but it has almost 400 lb/ft, so it moves along just fine.

andres3 said:

Are we talking track or street? Closed street course, or open to all Toyota traffic that might be on the roadway?

Weight matters so much. 300 HP and 3,000 lbs seems to be the right formula for a great car. Up the horsepower for more weight. Less is required if you lose weight.

Looks like you traded 100 horses for an extra 100 lb/ft of torque. When I said 300 HP 3000 pounds is great I meant for performance, I don't think you ever intend to track your diesel! Good can be good enough for normal driving, and certainly with 400 lb/ft of torque you can scoot along and keep up with the Tesla's in your neighborhood. As long as they are not in "Ludicrous" launch mode. Never seen one use that out in the wild though; only at the drag strip.

I think a Porsche 911 Turbo hit 118 MPH in 1/8th mile at the drag strip the other day. That's stupid fast.

200 HP and 450 pounds is hard to beat on a straight. It would be over 650 pounds with me on it though. Still, you only have 2 relatively skinny tires on tight turns. Hit a patch of slick pavement and it could spell trouble. With higher limits comes a higher pucker factor

Even a professional Porsche race car driver will admit he won street races in his younger hooligan days with a B5 S4 quattro. The street adds a lot of environmental factors and imperfect conditions where 4 wheels tend to shine.

Secret cheat for a first-timer on a new twisty road: Navigation map on the HD on-screen display. While it won't give away the exact right line and trajectory of the next turn, it'll give you a good general idea of the sharpness of the next turn if you zoom in on the map.

andres3

fintail said:

They'd be the ones you want to race - you can probably beat them without sweating too hard

When you see the guy in the bug splattered helmet and worn out knee pucks, he's the one who might do some schooling.

By weaving, I mean on 35 mph arterials when you might get 2 cars ahead at a light, all with no signals, of course. It's the Seattle way. I can admit that MBs attract a grandfatherly crowd, and I will say that Audi seems to attract the stereotypical BMW crowd from times past, especially as BMWs get heavier and less sporty.

I've used the carpool lane as a passing lane more than once. No cops, no cameras, away I go.

andres3 said:

Hahaha, I couldn't take a motorcycle rider/driver wearing flip flops and shorts seriously. At least look the part with some knee pads

Of course I know anyone with some money can get "all geared up" and look like Iron Man on a bike. If they are skimming the asphalt with their knee pad I assume they know what they are doing (or are insane).

Confidence and stupidity are 2 different things. Not using turn signals definitely falls into the latter category.

Weaving is sometimes a necessity when time is money and cars camp in the left lane; still there are varying levels of aggressiveness to weavers. I like a video where it shows a car violating the double yellows and the HOV carpool lane laws at the same time, but at least they used their turn signal!

Don't forget that BMW's have also gotten softer. Heavier, bigger, and softer. Except for maybe true M models.

fintail

I've had a couple of AMG cars, and I have had my fill, I guess. Not that I wouldn't take one if given to me, but the maintenance is onerous, and they feel wasted in city traffic. I've never seen launch mode in a Tesla either, the dorky drivers here might floor it up to 30-40 or so, but then seem to chicken out. I think much of the demographic here traded in hybrid Lexus RX for their cars.

S1000RR has a suite of traction and stability controls. Some have called it the safest bike you can buy, even with that power. I'd still dawdle around on it like a Corolla ambling down the highway, though. At one time, a B5 S4 was really something, but it might not win the same races today. Those old tuned models, while slower, seemed more pure.

I'll admit I like the new Audi style of putting the nav in the gauges, pretty trick. I will have to look at one in person sometime.

andres3 said:

Looks like you traded 100 horses for an extra 100 lb/ft of torque. When I said 300 HP 3000 pounds is great I meant for performance, I don't think you ever intend to track your diesel! Good can be good enough for normal driving, and certainly with 400 lb/ft of torque you can scoot along and keep up with the Tesla's in your neighborhood. As long as they are not in "Ludicrous" launch mode. Never seen one use that out in the wild though; only at the drag strip.
Even a professional Porsche race car driver will admit he won street races in his younger hooligan days with a B5 S4 quattro. The street adds a lot of environmental factors and imperfect conditions where 4 wheels tend to shine.

Secret cheat for a first-timer on a new twisty road: Navigation map on the HD on-screen display. While it won't give away the exact right line and trajectory of the next turn, it'll give you a good general idea of the sharpness of the next turn if you zoom in on the map.