Chronic Car Buyers Anonymous (Archived)

mlevine

I do not like continentals as they wear very easily.

28firefighter

A dealer in SoCal is advertising a base manual trans 320i loaner lease over on the hackr site. No sport package though. I'm astonished a dealer would put a manual transmission car in the loaner fleet.

pensfan83

My kind of dealer!

corvette

Wow, I’m betting it doesn’t have many miles on it. Or if it does, most of the miles were out on by dealership employees. 

xwesx

28firefighter said:

We've never had a lease blow through tires like this, especially given that we're on track to have only put a total of 27-28k miles on the car, including the mileage that was on it when we leased it.

Hindsight being 20/20, given that I hate the RFTs anyway, I should have taken them off and stored them and put on some non RFTs that I actually liked.

Can you not just do that now and put these tires back on? What are the contracted minimums?

mjfloyd1

sandman_6472 said:

Lawyers office just called, the $2000 was accepted for the diminished value claim! After the $666 to the lawyer and the CarFax fee, I'll get a check for $1293 and change. Am o k with this as I never thought I'd see a dime in D V to be honest. Sure, would've preferred the whole $2500 but better to not be greedy on certain things! Now, if we can also get my $400 deductible back down the road, I'll feel much better about it all. Still am very pissed off that it happened in the first place, and think it should've been totaled, but will take what I can get here and move on. The only major issue is closing the front passenger door, and I need to take it in to be checked out. If I don't slam it hard enough, I get a certain error message to appear on the dash with a certain icon. Slam it a bit harder, and it all goes away and works normally. A bit annoying but have lived with it since I got it back. I got sick before I could take it back in to the collision center but will do it on my next day off. It's guaranteed for as long as I own it, the repair work, so not worried. And to be honest, after all my bills are paid off and I find something I really like, I'll probably trade it in anyways. Time will tell. The turbo isn't really an issue and if I know I need to get up to speed quickly, I just pit the tranny into "S" mode and zoom, off I go with seamless power up the power band. I've been changing the synthetic at around 7500 miles now, so no issues there. Tire Plus has a $49 special for full synthetic that I get which works for me. I just don't feel comfortable at going to 10K miles between swapping the oil/filter and cheap insurance to go down to 7.5K intervals. The Sandman

I’m glad that you got some DV back. What was the total cost of the repair though?  I’m just not sure that approx $1300 will make you whole on a car that now has a Carfax showing structural damage. Hopefully I am wrong. 

stickguy

Should be close, especially if keep the golf another year or 2. It was not that valuable to start with. And, it is better than getting nothing!

ab348

henryn said:

machaikford.com/new/Ford/2018-Ford-Mustang-houston-tx-bf173aca0a0e0adf6270a662caaeebc3.htm?searchDepth=2:30

I went down on my lunch break and drove this. 2018 Ford Mustang Ecoboost, 10 speed automatic. A heck of a lot of car for $22.7.

I'm probably not going to do it, but ... Tempting.

That seems like a screaming deal.

What was the drive like? How did the interior seem to you?

suydam

I also like the turbo on my little Buick Encore. Never had one before. Not necessary for the Volt as it has ample power in EV mode.

Mr_Shiftright

xwesx said:

benjaminh said:

Here's proof that a stove will fit in the new generation CR-V:

That, sir, is impressive!!!

It's still jammed in there, however.

Sandman6472

Drove a 2018 Buick Encore at work yesterday and liked this one. Think my Golf is a lighter vehicle as the Encore felt heavier and was slower to accelerate onto the turnpike. It just felt like a heavier vehicle to be honest. Was nice though and think I'd be happy with one down the line if I went domestic.
The repair came close to $7K all in, but need to look at my paperwork. Since I plan on keeping the Golf at this juncture, not too unhappy with the $2K settlement though of course the $2.5K would've been better. Think I just want to turn the corner here and move on especially after having the gall bladder surgery. It's been a tough year mentally and physically in many ways and just want to move on now.
This will be a good start!!

The Sandman

roadburner

tjc78 said:

28firefighter said:

The X1 went in for service yesterday because the service reminder was going off. At 17,000 miles (we got it in January 2017 with 5700 miles on it), it needed front brakes already. We live in a high traffic area, but I am not impressed.

The inspection report, to make matters a bit worse, shows that the run-flats are down to 4mm in the front and 5mm in the rear. Means I will likely need to replace the tires before rainy season starts next year. Here I thought I was going to make it until the end of the lease.

We have 18 months left on the lease (goes back January 2020).

I would ask to see the pads... my 2006 Avalon “needed” pads at 20k miles according to the dealer.   Turned that sucker in with 34k on those same pads.   FWIW I drive pretty hard in a high traffic area too.  

Edit... didn’t see response. Since it is free, no harm done! 

My 2er has over 42k miles on it- including 3 days at an HPDE and one night at the local drag strip-and it looks like I'll get at least 50k out of the brakes at all four corners.

roadburner

henryn said:

machaikford.com/new/Ford/2018-Ford-Mustang-houston-tx-bf173aca0a0e0adf6270a662caaeebc3.htm?searchDepth=2:30

I went down on my lunch break and drove this. 2018 Ford Mustang Ecoboost, 10 speed automatic. A heck of a lot of car for $22.7.

I'm probably not going to do it, but ... Tempting.

It's a nice car, but for me a Mustang has to have a V8.

corvette

qb, how are you liking your F-150? I think I’d like to test drive one. That’s a dangerous proposition for a CCB, but it’s good to know what’s out there, right? I love the Tahoe, but it’s just not as quick off the line as I’d prefer. From what I can gather, the 2007 Tahoe LTZ did 0-60 in about 8.5 seconds. The six speed auto in mine should improve performance somewhat compared to the 2007, but the off-road tires taketh away, so probably a wash. 

Looks like the 2.7 and 3.5 Ecoboost engines and the 5.0 offer similar performance if you’re not towing a trailer. And either Ecoboost can be easily tweaked to add a little more boost. I’d also appreciate the nicer infotainment. 

henryn

roadburner said:

henryn said:

machaikford.com/new/Ford/2018-Ford-Mustang-houston-tx-bf173aca0a0e0adf6270a662caaeebc3.htm?searchDepth=2:30

I went down on my lunch break and drove this. 2018 Ford Mustang Ecoboost, 10 speed automatic. A heck of a lot of car for $22.7.

I'm probably not going to do it, but ... Tempting.

It's a nice car, but for me a Mustang has to have a V8.

A Mustang GT Premium, with automatic, is going to run about $36k to $38k. This Ecoboost I just drove is $22k. Worlds apart. Like comparing a Chevy to a Mercedes. And this Ecoboost is not slow, 310 horsepower and 350 lb-ft of torque.

qbrozen

corvette said:

qb, how are you liking your F-150? I think I’d like to test drive one. That’s a dangerous proposition for a CCB, but it’s good to know what’s out there, right? I love the Tahoe, but it’s just not as quick off the line as I’d prefer. From what I can gather, the 2007 Tahoe LTZ did 0-60 in about 8.5 seconds. The six speed auto in mine should improve performance somewhat compared to the 2007, but the off-road tires taketh away, so probably a wash. 

Looks like the 2.7 and 3.5 Ecoboost engines and the 5.0 offer similar performance if you’re not towing a trailer. And either Ecoboost can be easily tweaked to add a little more boost. I’d also appreciate the nicer infotainment. 

I love it. Not nearly as fuel efficient as advertised, but I'm pretty sure the EPA doesn't include smoking the tires in their testing. Try one out. Make sure you push the Sport button at some point.

henryn

ab348 said:

henryn said:

machaikford.com/new/Ford/2018-Ford-Mustang-houston-tx-bf173aca0a0e0adf6270a662caaeebc3.htm?searchDepth=2:30

I went down on my lunch break and drove this. 2018 Ford Mustang Ecoboost, 10 speed automatic. A heck of a lot of car for $22.7.

I'm probably not going to do it, but ... Tempting.

That seems like a screaming deal.

What was the drive like? How did the interior seem to you?

The interior was decent. It did not have a power seat, but the seat could be lowered (necessary or I couldn't fit). It had push button start, keyless entry, a rear view camera (small display, but there). The stereo was decent, included bluetooth connectivity and USB ports.

The 10 speed automatic downshifted easily, there was plenty of torque, instant acceleration from any speed. The gas pedal seemed a little "touchy" to me, in slow traffic the car tended to jump when I didn't intend for it to do so. The steering was fast, the car felt very planted. very maneuverable.

Last week I drove a Mustang GT Premium with the 6 speed manual, $34k. Bump that to near $36k with the automatic, really big difference in price. And it didn't seem to me that the GT Premium would be worth 60% more money. Hard to say, really.

henryn

qbrozen said:

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I love it. Not nearly as fuel efficient as advertised, but I'm pretty sure the EPA doesn't include smoking the tires in their testing. Try one out. Make sure you push the Sport button at some point.

If you're coming from a Tahoe, and you want "quick off the line", you are going to LOVE the 2.7L twin turbo Ecoboost. Go drive it. Bring your checkbook, you're going to want it.

corvette

henryn said:

< I love it. Not nearly as fuel efficient as advertised, but I'm pretty sure the EPA doesn't include smoking the tires in their testing. Try one out. Make sure you push the Sport button at some point.

If you're coming from a Tahoe, and you want "quick off the line", you are going to LOVE the 2.7L twin turbo Ecoboost. Go drive it. Bring your checkbook, you're going to want it.

Thanks for the advice from you and QB. I’ll probably head out to my preferred Ford dealer on Friday. It’s a bit of a trek, but way better than dealing with the crummy one near my house. The tests show the 2.7 slightly better than the 3.5 at low RPMs, and it seems to be underrated on the spec sheets. I expect the more loaded trucks will probably have the 3.5. 

roadburner

henryn said:

ab348 said:

henryn said:

machaikford.com/new/Ford/2018-Ford-Mustang-houston-tx-bf173aca0a0e0adf6270a662caaeebc3.htm?searchDepth=2:30

I went down on my lunch break and drove this. 2018 Ford Mustang Ecoboost, 10 speed automatic. A heck of a lot of car for $22.7.

I'm probably not going to do it, but ... Tempting.

That seems like a screaming deal.

What was the drive like? How did the interior seem to you?

The interior was decent. It did not have a power seat, but the seat could be lowered (necessary or I couldn't fit). It had push button start, keyless entry, a rear view camera (small display, but there). The stereo was decent, included bluetooth connectivity and USB ports.

The 10 speed automatic downshifted easily, there was plenty of torque, instant acceleration from any speed. The gas pedal seemed a little "touchy" to me, in slow traffic the car tended to jump when I didn't intend for it to do so. The steering was fast, the car felt very planted. very maneuverable.

Last week I drove a Mustang GT Premium with the 6 speed manual, $34k. Bump that to near $36k with the automatic, really big difference in price. And it didn't seem to me that the GT Premium would be worth 60% more money. Hard to say, really.

Car and Driver talked up ordering a base GT with Recaros and the Performance Package; I really didn't like the base interior. Normally I love cloth upholstery but the Mustang's cloth wasn't for me.

corvette

henryn, are you comparing a base Ecoboost Mustang to a GT Premium? Wouldn't it be better to compare it to a GT base?

henryn

corvette said:

henryn, are you comparing a base Ecoboost Mustang to a GT Premium? Wouldn't it be better to compare it to a GT base?

Yes, but the 2 I drove were a GT Premium (last Friday), and an Ecoboost base model (today). A GT Coupe (base) with automatic would run around $32k. $9k or $10k more than the Ecoboost. Which is still a really big difference, for what is essentially the same car. At least that's the way I see it.


Leaving aside the 6 speed manual versus the automatic, I did not see a huge difference between the two I drove. Very hard for me to justify spending that much more money.

corvette said:

Thanks for the advice from you and QB. I’ll probably head out to my preferred Ford dealer on Friday. It’s a bit of a trek, but way better than dealing with the crummy one near my house. The tests show the 2.7 slightly better than the 3.5 at low RPMs, and it seems to be underrated on the spec sheets. I expect the more loaded trucks will probably have the 3.5. 

The Ford dealer I like doesn't have many 3.5L trucks. And the few he does have tend to be really loaded up, Max Towing package, etc. He has many, many more Crew Cabs (Supercrew) XLT with the 2.7L. I have driven both, and have twice purchased a truck with the 2.7L over the 3.5L. If you're curious, drive both. Back in 2015, I went in fully intending to buy a 3.5L. The salesman challenged me to drive both, back to back. The 2.7L felt faster, more responsive.

If you're looking at towing specs, those numbers are crazy. The 2.7L is rated at 7700 lbs towing, and the 3.5L at more than 10,000 lbs. I think anyone trying to tow that much with a half ton truck needs to have his head examined. I towed a 5th wheel travel trailer for a number of years, and what you want for that kind of load is a 3/4 ton with a big block diesel engine. Nothing less.

corvette

henryn said:

I have driven both, and have twice purchased a truck with the 2.7L over the 3.5L. If you're curious, drive both. Back in 2015, I went in fully intending to buy a 3.5L. The salesman challenged me to drive both, back to back. The 2.7L felt faster, more responsive.

That's what I've heard, as well. I don't intend to tow, but would be interested in the Max Tow package (I think I've only seen it on the 3.5 and 5.0) because of the 36 gallon fuel tank. If I did hook up a trailer, I'd love the backup assist, which I think is part of that package, because I've only ever towed once and it wasn't long enough to get proficient with backing. I'll try to drive trucks with both engines.

qbrozen

Oh, I should probably mention I have the 3.55 rear in my 2.7 supercrew XLT. The XLT had all the options I would want. Only reason I could see stepping up higher is if you really want leather.

corvette

qbrozen said:

Oh, I should probably mention I have the 3.55 rear in my 2.7 supercrew XLT. The XLT had all the options I would want. Only reason I could see stepping up higher is if you really want leather.

Most of the window stickers I'm seeing on dealer lots have the 3.55 paired with the 2.7 liter engine. Most 3.5 EBs have the 3.31 axle, but I've found one with the 3.55 axle, which should be interesting to compare, if I can drive both of them back to back.

Oh, I really want leather, and lane keeping assist, and radar cruise control (which I haven't seen any Lariats equipped with), and to keep the lease payment around $400 with $0 down. Just looking for genie to pop out of a lamp and grant me three wishes.

Update: On my dealer's lot, all the 2.7 EBs in Supercab or Supercrew configuration have the 3.55 axle. The 3.5 EBs tend to have the 3.31 axle, with one exception.

henryn

I too like the XLT, and with the 302a package. You can get the 36 gallon tank with the 2.7L engine, but the Max Tow Package is only available on the 3.5L as I recall.

I really don't need a 36 gallon tank, I'm an old man, I have to make frequent pit stops, so ...

corvette

henryn said:

I really don't need a 36 gallon tank, I'm an old man, I have to make frequent pit stops, so ...

LOL. I need occasional stretch breaks, also. But, I have a short commute, and I like the idea of only having to fill up every few weeks if I stay close to home.

henryn

Here’s some data for you.

On the XLT, with the 2.7L, you can get the Trailer Towing package for $995, which includes:
• 4-pin/7-pin wiring harness
• Auxiliary transmission oil cooler
• Class IV trailer hitch receiver
• Pro Trailer Backup Assist (not included on XL Base)
• Tailgate LED (standard on LARIAT and higher)
• Smart Trailer Tow Connector (standard on LARIAT and higher)
• Upgraded front stabilizer bar

On the 3.5L, you can get the Max Trailer Tow Package, which includes:
• 3.55 Electronic-locking rear-axle
• 4-pin/7-pin wiring harness
• 36 Gallon fuel tank
• Auxiliary transmission oil cooler
• Class IV trailer hitch receiver
• Pro Trailer Backup Assist with Tailgate LED
• Smart Trailer Tow Connector (standard on LARIAT and higher)
• Integrated Trailer Brake Controller
• Upgraded front stabilizer bar
• Upgraded rear bumper

A very nice bundle, if you’re going for the 3.5L in the first place. The 3.55 electronic locking rear axle is a $470 option, the 36 gallon fuel tank is $440, and the integrated trailer brake controller is $275.

If I were interested in heavy towing (which I'm not), and if I were going for the 3.5L (a good idea if you plan to tow heavy), then I would definitely go for the Max Trailer Tow Package.

henryn

I just sent this email to the Ford salesman I have been dealing with. We shall see what happens next.
=================
Okay, here’s the deal. I’m interested in this truck:

http://www.machaikford.com/new/Ford/2018-Ford-F-150-houston-tx-9ce6f2f00a0e0adf706162dffd781f12.htm?searchDepth=10:146

JK C43635

This is the truck you showed me last Friday. MSRP $44,060, your online advertised price, $33,340.

You offered me $19,500 for my trade. The numbers would be (approximately)

$33,340
-19,500
======
$13,840
$865 (sales tax at 6.25%)
$300 (approximate doc fees, title, license, etc)
=====
$15,005 to be financed ( I have to finance with Ford Motor Credit to get some of the incentives).

What I want is $1,000 less. I don’t care where it comes from, more for my trade, less for your truck, doesn’t matter. You get it down to $14,000 difference to be financed, and we have a deal. I will come over tomorrow evening and we will wrap it up.

It is the end of the month, and the end of the quarter. Let me know.

stickguy

dang that thing is big. Needs a bedliner too. Nice looking though.

I would not mind having a truck again, but I don't think I could deal with a jumbo one for a DD. Either a cheap one as a toy, or something smaller. I really want to see the Ranger when it comes out.

nyccarguy

@corvette - the 2.7L EcoBoost V6 gets fantastic reviews.  I think Edmunds had one for a long term test.  They put it through the wringer and couldn’t find a good reason to pick the 5.0L V8.  If I was going to get one, I wouldn’t hesitate to buy one with the 2.7L V6 & proper rear end.  

@henryn - I’m with @roadburner when it comes to Mustangs.  Go with the V8 if you can swing it.  I have no doubt the Turbo 4/10AT makes a quick car with a low to mid 5 second 0-60 mph time.  The 4cyl Turbo has lots of lo-mid Range Punch, but runs out of breath as the tach needle climbs.  All that aside, this is CCBA.  Given your track record, you’ll be sick of it or not want to get in/out of it within a year.  A V8 Mustang depreciates a lot less than the 4cyl Turbos.

stickguy

yeah, but that ecoboost is starting so low, should have a good cushion.

henryn

stickguy said:

yeah, but that ecoboost is starting so low, should have a good cushion.

Very, very true. A brand new Mustang, starting at $22.7 can't depreciate very much in one year.

But ... I have just made an offer on the truck. I will wait to see what they come back with on that. If they turn down my offer, I will think more about the Mustang.

corvette

That is a good advertised price on that truck. I don’t see any like that in my area advertised so low. 

tbirdmarco

Think will have  sum punches in hear bye the weekand

graphicguy

tbirdmarco said:

Think will have  sum punches in hear bye the weekand

Marco...I was just thinking the exact same thing! Wait and watch!

ab348

stickguy said:

dang that thing is big. Needs a bedliner too. Nice looking though.

I would not mind having a truck again, but I don't think I could deal with a jumbo one for a DD. Either a cheap one as a toy, or something smaller. I really want to see the Ranger when it comes out.

Yeah, that one is pretty massive. @henryn are you sure you need a full back seat and 4 doors? That seems a big change from what you're driving now. Will it fit in your garage?

I would be happy if I could figure out how Ford determines which grille goes on which pickup, they seem to have an near-infinite number of variations. Some of them look good, some not so much.

I wish pickups would go back to the early-'70s size instead of all being wannabe-Peterbilts.

corvette

Also, henryn, there was some sort of offer code from Ford where you could sign up with your email and get up to a $3,000 discount. Not sure if that is still going on, but it would really sweeten the deal. 

qbrozen

henryn said:

I just sent this email to the Ford salesman I have been dealing with. We shall see what happens next. ================= Okay, here’s the deal. I’m interested in this truck: http://www.machaikford.com/new/Ford/2018-Ford-F-150-houston-tx-9ce6f2f00a0e0adf706162dffd781f12.htm?searchDepth=10:146 JK C43635 This is the truck you showed me last Friday. MSRP $44,060, your online advertised price, $33,340. You offered me $19,500 for my trade. The numbers would be (approximately) $33,340 -19,500 ====== $13,840 $865 (sales tax at 6.25%) $300 (approximate doc fees, title, license, etc) ===== $15,005 to be financed ( I have to finance with Ford Motor Credit to get some of the incentives). What I want is $1,000 less. I don’t care where it comes from, more for my trade, less for your truck, doesn’t matter. You get it down to $14,000 difference to be financed, and we have a deal. I will come over tomorrow evening and we will wrap it up. It is the end of the month, and the end of the quarter. Let me know.

Nice!

only things extra mine has are the aforementioned 3.55 locking diff and the trailer backup assist (which I can't get to work anyway). Otherwise the same truck.

and, yes, I agree about the grilles. I don't know how/why all the variations exist. I like the one on that gold truck better than mine. 

tjc78

I wouldn’t mind a truck.  I’ve only owned one and it was a beater S10.   All I know is I need something bigger.... I experimented with the Elantra and it’s just not for me.  I need at least a midsize.  

When the Elantra goes back if I could get a killer lease on any of the domestic 4 doors I think I may make the move and give it a shot.  

Then maybe, I’ll tske the wife’s SUV down a size to something like an Edge or Santa Fe Sport.  

corvette

Chevrolet has *some* configuration and pricing info up for the 2019 Silverado. Looks like not all the trim levels are available on the configurator. The giant chrome bumper on the LT gives it a hideous maw. Best to spring for the Z71 package to get a painted one, I think. 

28firefighter

@pensfan83 - what was your experience with Cochran? Trying to work a deal with them on an Audi, but they don't seem too motivated...

henryn

They accepted my offer for the Supercrew, I will be picking it up this evening. When I talked with them last Friday, I had the impression that I could get a little more out of them, maybe $1,000, so that's what I shot for, and they accepted.

When @qbrozen told me the trade in should run $20 to $21, I set my sights on $20.5, and that's where I wound up. They always make you work to get it, but knowledge is power.

I really like that white gold color, it is really pretty in person, much more so than in the pictures. I don't care much for the chrome wheels, but every one I looked at had them, so ... If they don't grow on me, there are a lot of aftermarket wheels to fit a Ford F150.

And no Mustang for me at this point. I am not about to get rid of the minivan (immensely practical) in favor of a car strictly for fun. I suppose I could pick up a lightly used Mustang GT as a third vehicle, but then parking becomes a problem, and so probably not. But then again, maybe ...

If I did pick up one as a third vehicle, it would have to be strictly for fun, and a lot of fun at that. Maybe a convertible, with the V8, hmmm....

Michaell

henryn said:

They accepted my offer for the Supercrew, I will be picking it up this evening. When I talked with them last Friday, I had the impression that I could get a little more out of them, maybe $1,000, so that's what I shot for, and they accepted.

When @qbrozen told me the trade in should run $20 to $21, I set my sights on $20.5, and that's where I wound up. They always make you work to get it, but knowledge is power.

I really like that white gold color, it is really pretty in person, much more so than in the pictures. I don't care much for the chrome wheels, but every one I looked at had them, so ... If they don't grow on me, there are a lot of aftermarket wheels to fit a Ford F150.

And no Mustang for me at this point. I am not about to get rid of the minivan (immensely practical) in favor of a car strictly for fun. I suppose I could pick up a lightly used Mustang GT as a third vehicle, but then parking becomes a problem, and so probably not. But then again, maybe ...

If I did pick up one as a third vehicle, it would have to be strictly for fun, and a lot of fun at that. Maybe a convertible, with the V8, hmmm....

Congrats on the punch!

Looks like the pace is starting to pick up a bit. 2 in the past 3 days....

pensfan83

I'd personally never deal with Cochran. They position their "clearly better car buying" and "clear cut pricing" as the best thing ever but it's more or less double speak for no haggling. If you try to bring them an offer that undercuts their pricing they just shrug their shoulders. They have a Nissan franchise and we got nowhere fast with them so we moved on relatively quickly.

I'm happy to shoot you over the salesman I worked with at Day Audi. Day is the dealer group bought out by Lithia so I don't know what's changed but when they were under family ownership I was happy with the sales and service.

28firefighter

pensfan83 said:

I'd personally never deal with Cochran. They position their "clearly better car buying" and "clear cut pricing" as the best thing ever but it's more or less double speak for no haggling. If you try to bring them an offer that undercuts their pricing they just shrug their shoulders. They have a Nissan franchise and we got nowhere fast with them so we moved on relatively quickly.

I'm happy to shoot you over the salesman I worked with at Day Audi. Day is the dealer group bought out by Lithia so I don't know what's changed but when they were under family ownership I was happy with the sales and service.

I'll see if they have anything that my FIL wants. I have a competitive offer in the Ohio area (12% discount + incentives), but it isn't any of his preferred color combinations. Cochran has one they want and has said, at least on the face, that they'll match competitor offers. We'll see.

pensfan83

That's pretty good if you're there with little arm twisting. When I was looking last fall I was only at roughly 6% + incentives, but I was also buying early in the model year when their 2017 inventory wasn't appealing and their 2018 inventory was thin.

xwesx

henryn said:

They accepted my offer for the Supercrew, I will be picking it up this evening. When I talked with them last Friday, I had the impression that I could get a little more out of them, maybe $1,000, so that's what I shot for, and they accepted.

Man, that is fantastic! Makes me think. Hahhahaha


I, too, have only owned one pickup. Okay, maybe two if I count my plow truck, but, since that only ever plows (and I've never even driven it except in direct service of that goal), I don't really think of it as a "truck" per se.

It's still rolling along, though!

xwesx

This talk of trucks makes me want to actually get mine out for the year. Wash, wax, maybe a cruise or two... hauling home a few tons of gravel for the driveway!

tbirdmarco

Congrads on the punch of the new truck