I think the cold weather package should be standard--on my 3-series, it included heated seats, headlight washers, and folding rear seats.
Also, I think that any car with leather or faux leather seats should automatically come with heated seats. (Honda and other manufacturers appear to have already done this.)
The same could be said of the 128i - almost 3500 pounds for the smallest BMW in the lineup???
I agree, my ti barely ways 2700 pounds so stuffing a 205 hp stroker motor under the hood will yield a power to weight ratio equivalent to a 1 Series with 266 hp. And the ti has the added bonus of being devoid of any and all electronic "driving aids" save ABS.
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
actually for its size, I don't think it's really that porky these days. The EPA rates it as a full-sized car. 107 cubic feet of interior space, 17 cubic feet of trunk. FWIW, my Intrepid's interior is only 104.4 cubic feet. Heck, even my '79 New Yorker is only rated at 108!
I'm trying to think more economical the next time around, something like a 4-cyl Altima, but I have to admit the G8 is alluring. And since I only drive around 6,000 miles per year, even the V-8 wouldn't put me in the poor house. I dunno if I'm ready to pay $30K or more for a car, though. My Intrepid was something like $22,400 out the door, 8 years ago. Would've been cheaper, but I splurged on an extended warranty. They also seduced me with 0.9% financing, so the payment was laughably low.
andre, have you considered the base V6 in the G8? 255HP ain't too shabby, but perhaps a bit overwhelmed by the mass of the car.
Yeah, I'd be tempted to check out the base model too, and see how it compares. I've seen 0-60 times of around 7.5 seconds thrown around for the V-6, so even there, it would be faster than anything else I've ever owned. I guess part of me is just thinking that if I'm going to get something like that, I might as well go all-out!
Although for some reason, my mind doesn't make the same rationalization when it comes to the Charger. In this case, I'd be happy with just the 3.5 V-6, and wouldn't cry over not having the Hemi.
Still, I think the 4-cyl Altima is just about as quick, more economical, and cheaper.
While it's nice to daydream, I think I'm still just going to stick it out with my Intrepid awhile longer. My original goal was to try to make it last at least until February of '08, which is when a naughty little thing I did a few years ago finally came off my driving record. I was worried that if I made any vehicular changes, my insurance company might pull my driving record and see the points. But when I added my '79 New Yorker last May, nothing bad happened. So I was probably worrying about nothing, but even so, I'm in the clear now.
Still, it's nice to not have a monthly car payment. I did have to sink about $2K into the Intrepid in 2007, and about $380 back in February. But that still beats the heck out of a monthly payment, and I hopefully won't have to sink any more money into the car, other than oil changes, until the 150K mark, which is when it'll need a transmission service and probably new belts. I'm at around 139.5K now, and at the rate I've been driving lately, it'll probably take me at least 1 1/2 years to get to 150K.
I'm about convinced that pumping up the Club Sport is my best option.
I have longed for a 318ti ever since they were new. I just can't justify owning 2 vehicles, and I can't bring myself to give up my pickup. Still, it doesn't hurt to look, right?
So roadburner, what do you think of this guy's 318ti? He has had it for sale on Ebay, at a premium price, for a l-o-n-g time, with no takers.
It certainly looks like every modification was done properly. Is it worth $15K? Well, it depends. I doubt that you could find a nice ti and duplicate the work for any less. Here's another modded ti- only this one has an S52 transplant. Same price. Probably faster but not anywhere as clean as the eBay car. Having said all that, my Club Sport is all original and has 113K one-owner miles. I special ordered it and it is believed to be one of five Club Sports that were built without a sunroof. I wouldn't take less than $10K for it. It probably isn't worth that, but that's what someone would have to pay to get it...
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
The figure I saw in the C&D this month for the 128i was 3450 pounds for their test car, which was a 128i manual IIRC. I think their car did have a couple of packages, so that must have been the weight with the optional equipment (including sport package)
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
IIRC, C&D actually weighs their test cars at the scale with gas, driver, and maybe some luggage or something? I know it came up in their letters section very recently.
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eh. ya know, I musta forgot to word that as I originally intended because I know I thought of the S2000, as well. The RX8 I think is about the only one that could be considered the same rough category.
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the WRX is actually very close in weight to the 1. And, frankly, I don't see that being "shame on bmw." There is a big difference in what a subaru owner expects in terms of refinement and a bimmer owner. Refinement adds weight. As much as I like the WRX, if I want luxury, that ain't the car I'm looking to.
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Wanted to share this great letter I received in the mail yesterday.
Seems a nearby Nissan dealer is "looking to purchase 1996-2006 used cars." Their "records indicate [I] own one of these cars," and they want to make a deal on a new or preowned Nissan in exchange for my car. Wow!! These guys should work for the CIA. They know I own a car made in the past 10 years. I mean, that's astounding. I feel like I'm constantly being watched now. Oh, and I feel I really want a nissan.
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I'll get an offer from some warranty company that says their records indicate that the warranty on my 2000 Intrepid is about to run out, and that I can save a great deal of money by signing up with them for extended warranty coverage.
I wonder what kind of warranty I could get on an 8.5 year old car with almost 140K miles on it? :P
Even in the low $30K-ish range to play with, the choices become mind-boggling.
Last I looked, used Z4's are plentiful, & (I think?) a nice low mileage used one could be had in the low $20's. And have $10K left-over.
I haven't figured the Clubman S pricing, but I'd bet most people don't need all the options. And it might (?) have much better resale than the average 1-series.
What about the new WRX? Altho new Subies get very pricy once you start adding options & trim levels.
The Clubman S would be the most distinctive, a mint-condition used Z4 or 3-series could be a great car & value....
Sometimes I still kick myself for splurging the $1200 for the original extended warranty, which I never had to use. The one time the potential did come up, it was for a leaky thermostat housing around 51,000 miles. My local mechanic right around the corner fixed it for $210. My deductible was $200. :sick:
Of course, had I not opted for that warranty, I'm sure the tranny would've gone out at 39K miles and probably once or twice more before 100K miles. Probably would've lost the water pump, a/c compressor, and other odds and ends along the way, too.
Still, it seemed to make sense at the time. I blew through the 3/36K bumper-to-bumper warranty in 14 months. But as time went by, my driving cut back, and by the I ended up hitting the time limit and the mileage limit at around the same time on the extended warranty. At 5 years, I was around 99.2K miles.
I was also a bit worried that the car would just totally crap out after 5 years, when it was paid off and the warranty expired, but it stayed practically troublefree for two years after that. Now 2007 wasn't kind to me, to the tune of about $2K, but hopefully 2008 will be better.
With the way I drive nowadays, even a 3/36K warranty would be adequate. I probably wouldn't hit the 36K in FIVE years, let alone three! I guess if I ever do buy a new car, it would probably last forever!
You spent $1200 unnecessarily. I, on the other hand, should have popped for the extended warranty in my L-series.
Two BCM modules ($600 for the first, $300 for the second - Saturn split the cost with me); front transmission axle seal ($500-600) and new rotors and calipers ($1000+) since the warranty expired. I would have been about $1200 to the good.
However (knock on wood), I've had no problems since last summer. 70,500 miles as of yesterday. Have gotten two compliments on how good it looks in the past month, inside and out.
The wife's VUE has the extended warranty, while my daughter's ION does not. Of course, her ION has accumulated just over 14K in just under two years, so the warranty will expire due to time, not mileage.
woody - I've not priced out a Clubman S, but looking at the inventory of the only Mini dealer here in Colorado, I've seen them for as much as $32K. :surprise:
Two BCM modules ($600 for the first, $300 for the second - Saturn split the cost with me); front transmission axle seal ($500-600) and new rotors and calipers ($1000+) since the warranty expired. I would have been about $1200 to the good.
I don't think you would've come out that far ahead. Warranties don't cover wear items so the pads and rotors you would've been on your own (it may or may not cover the calipers themselves). That does seem somewhat hideously expensive for a brake job but its been so long since someone else did my brakes that I am out of touch with the cost.
If you took that $1200 for the warranty and invested it, you likely would've come out ahead of the warranty. That said we got the extended warranty for the Subaru and I look at it more like insurance. If something major goes wrong, it won't be a shocking bill.
When I bought my 1990 Saab when it was a year old, I paid about $1000 for a Saab extended warranty. Despite the reputation of Saab's, I only used the ext. warranty once I think, for a relatively minor item.
But if I hadn't bought the ext. warranty, I would have been worrying when the orig. 3 yr. warranty ran out.......having a 6 year mfg. warranty can provide a lot of peace of mind. (I know the CPO or extended warranty doesn't have quite the same terms as the orig. warranty, but still......).
I just spent a few minutes on the (very cool, IMO) mini website, & adding all 4 "packages" to the Clubman S adds up to $29,600, with "destination". I didn't even get into the individual options.
They're sure not cheap. Looking at what used 5 or 3 series wagons, or X3's, or even X5's for instance, go for, in reality I'm sure I'd buy something like that instead. Maybe.....but OTOH, as cool as the Clubman is, it's not an insane choice.
But you'd have to be really into it to justify the purchase, I think....(??)
Yeah... but, you are really loading up a Clubman, when you add all the packages.. Even most BMWs don't have premium, sport and cold weather packages..
You can equip a Clubman very nicely for about $25K... and, a Clubman S for about $28,500... That's about $2200 more than the respective coupes..
Is that a lot of money for a little car? Absolutely....
But, the MINI isn't just another little car.. The difference between a MINI and a Civic is the difference between a BMW and a Honda... It won't be worth it to everyone, but you do get something for that extra dough..
My configuration came to just under $28K. Can't remember what all I added, but I didn't think it was too outrageous of a price.
However, the wife came in to see what I was doing and commented that she didn't like the Clubman nearly as much as the "regular" Mini. "Dorky" was the word she used.
She's had no such commentary on the 1-series, though.
And, for the record, the G8 won't fit in my garage. At least, not with enough room to get around it. My L is 190" long and that's about as long as the next car could be.
And probably, like me, you would be shocked at how well it moves. I definitely had my doubts, but having now driven it, those doubts are all wiped away. (sorry to those who may have read this in the other discussion i posted it in) The 208hp 2.5T would run circles around our 250hp Pacifica and I believe even our 240hp Pilot. It must just have such a wide flat torque curve that makes up for it. A turbo is a wonderful thing. Plus, if I chose, I could reflash the ECU and pick up 8/10 of a second 0-60, according to IPD.
I wanted the 2.5T for its reliability and much better mileage, but now that I've driven it, I see we wouldn't be giving up performance for those 2 things. Its a win-win-win.
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The 2.5T in the XC90 is also essentially the same motor in the R Series volvos so at 208 hp it is extremely under stressed. They do beef up the internals and change some other things for the extra boost on the Rs but the basic engine architecture is the same.
Well, I think I said, adding all 4 "packages" to the Clubman S adds up to $29,600, with "destination". So that's not far from your price of $28,500.
But that was just from a quick perusal (I like that word, perusal), of the Mini Site. If I got into really ordering one, I'd ask you, others here, & elsewhere, about which options to actually get.....
Hey, I have a minor obsession going on with the Clubman, but haven't driven one yet. The closest Honda maybe (?) is the CRV, a loaded one is about the same price. A lot more practical maybe. I drove a CRV, was bored.
wife and I drove a used XC90 this weekend and the wife is in love. *sigh*
Quick cure - on that little sticker on window there are 2 numbers that represent a mythical rate at which the vehicle consumes fuel and the required octane. That did it for me.
I'm trying to figure out how to stuff my 6' tall 14-yr old in a base coupe... Amputation is being considered...
That's the same problem that we had. I was all set to buy a Mini Cooper S, but my 5'8" 12-yr old wouldn't fit either. Hence the purchase of the Mazdaspeed3. You know, I keep expecting that I'll tire of the little bottle rocket, but its Q-Ship appearance and manic disposition always keeps things interesting. Take last week for example- when a new G37 tried to keep up with me on an increasing radius interstate on ramp. When I lifted at 100 I was still pulling away. I backed off to my normal 80 mph cruise and G-Boy roared by giving me a VERY dirty look... :P
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
Quick cure - on that little sticker on window there are 2 numbers that represent a mythical rate at which the vehicle consumes fuel and the required octane. That did it for me.
It's a used vehicle, and probably has no fuel consumption sticker, because used vehicles don't consume fuel!
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LOL. Well, I suppose that would work on most people .... but my wife sees "better mileage than what I currently drive," and that's the end of that.
I gotta admit, it does get good mileage for what it is. I'm expecting around 22mpg. I've seen many reports on the volvo boards that exceed that.
SOOOO... having said that ... ummmm... well.... what's the pennance for an '05 XC90 2.5T AWD with 23k miles?
I honestly had NO INTENTION of buying when we stepped on that car lot last night. We merely went there because they had an XC90, X3, and Pilot all in one place and we could test drive them back to back to back. My wife found the X3 too small, so that was crossed off the list. The volvo just blew the Pilot away. I mean, no contest. The Pilot is nice and all, but if you drive it back to back with an XC90, you all of a sudden get this feeling that the honda is just cheap (although it carries the same price when used). ANYHOO, I didn't WANT to buy the volvo ... honest ... but I put the burden on them to meet my low low number ... and they did. What is a CCB'er to do??
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Also, I think that any car with leather or faux leather seats should automatically come with heated seats. (Honda and other manufacturers appear to have already done this.)
I haven't been sucked into air conditioned seats, but I haven't had the pleasure yet either. :shades:
I agree, my ti barely ways 2700 pounds so stuffing a 205 hp stroker motor under the hood will yield a power to weight ratio equivalent to a 1 Series with 266 hp. And the ti has the added bonus of being devoid of any and all electronic "driving aids" save ABS.
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
I'm trying to think more economical the next time around, something like a 4-cyl Altima, but I have to admit the G8 is alluring. And since I only drive around 6,000 miles per year, even the V-8 wouldn't put me in the poor house. I dunno if I'm ready to pay $30K or more for a car, though. My Intrepid was something like $22,400 out the door, 8 years ago. Would've been cheaper, but I splurged on an extended warranty. They also seduced me with 0.9% financing, so the payment was laughably low.
I agree ... my wife's VUE has heated cloth seats and they are nice in the winter.
andre, have you considered the base V6 in the G8? 255HP ain't too shabby, but perhaps a bit overwhelmed by the mass of the car.
I do, however, understand the desire to get something that's a bit easier on gas.
Yeah, I'd be tempted to check out the base model too, and see how it compares. I've seen 0-60 times of around 7.5 seconds thrown around for the V-6, so even there, it would be faster than anything else I've ever owned. I guess part of me is just thinking that if I'm going to get something like that, I might as well go all-out!
Although for some reason, my mind doesn't make the same rationalization when it comes to the Charger. In this case, I'd be happy with just the 3.5 V-6, and wouldn't cry over not having the Hemi.
Still, I think the 4-cyl Altima is just about as quick, more economical, and cheaper.
While it's nice to daydream, I think I'm still just going to stick it out with my Intrepid awhile longer. My original goal was to try to make it last at least until February of '08, which is when a naughty little thing I did a few years ago finally came off my driving record. I was worried that if I made any vehicular changes, my insurance company might pull my driving record and see the points. But when I added my '79 New Yorker last May, nothing bad happened. So I was probably worrying about nothing, but even so, I'm in the clear now.
Still, it's nice to not have a monthly car payment. I did have to sink about $2K into the Intrepid in 2007, and about $380 back in February. But that still beats the heck out of a monthly payment, and I hopefully won't have to sink any more money into the car, other than oil changes, until the 150K mark, which is when it'll need a transmission service and probably new belts. I'm at around 139.5K now, and at the rate I've been driving lately, it'll probably take me at least 1 1/2 years to get to 150K.
I have longed for a 318ti ever since they were new. I just can't justify owning 2 vehicles, and I can't bring myself to give up my pickup. Still, it doesn't hurt to look, right?
So roadburner, what do you think of this guy's 318ti? He has had it for sale on Ebay, at a premium price, for a l-o-n-g time, with no takers.
BMW 318ti DASC
I would probably prefer to own a more original example, but his car is certainly an impressive piece of work. :shades:
james
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
Oh, you should try them. I had them in my Lincoln LS and it was my favorite feature.
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Where'd that number come from? Its 3252 with stick and 3329 with automatic. Is there a lighter RWD new car out there?
Oh... well, there's the Elise, if you have the disposable income for such a vehicle.
Unless you are talking about the vert 128. But nobody who buys a vert should complain about weight.
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And then I'd be ruined for any new cars down the road. I remember when I got by fine with crank windows and my fob actually held a watch.
Ok, I'm not quite old enough to predate Timexes, but AC seats when it hits 105° here would sure be nice. Can I get that in a desk chair too?
smart fortwo :P
That one aside, it's a shame that a 3200-pound blubber barge is considered "light" these days. The IS300 was a porker at that weight.
Porsche Cayman
Mazda RX-8
That really is sad...
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And GTI....and WRX......
The figure I saw in the C&D this month for the 128i was 3450 pounds for their test car, which was a 128i manual IIRC. I think their car did have a couple of packages, so that must have been the weight with the optional equipment (including sport package)
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
Y'know, if anyone seems like a good G8 candidate, its you Andre. It just sorta sounds right...
25 NX 450h+ / 24 Sienna Plat AWD / 23 Civic Type-R / 21 Boxster GTS 4.0 / 03 Montero Ltd
kyfdx - I looked ... the Cayman is over 3500!
IIRC, C&D actually weighs their test cars at the scale with gas, driver, and maybe some luggage or something? I know it came up in their letters section very recently.
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2008 Mazda Miata: 2474 (manual)
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james
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No, the WRX is AWD, with the extra weight the extra hardware entails! More's the shame on BMW.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
The Ford Mustang coupe starts at about 3350lbs.inthe V-6. It has to be best rwd bargain out there for under $20k.
As much as I like the WRX, if I want luxury, that ain't the car I'm looking to.
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That's gross weight with passengers and luggage.... The curb weight is 2866..
Cayman specs
Had me second-guessing.. "do I really want a Cayman?".. :surprise:
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Man, I wish that thing had a back seat.
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Seems a nearby Nissan dealer is "looking to purchase 1996-2006 used cars." Their "records indicate [I] own one of these cars," and they want to make a deal on a new or preowned Nissan in exchange for my car. Wow!! These guys should work for the CIA. They know I own a car made in the past 10 years. I mean, that's astounding. I feel like I'm constantly being watched now. Oh, and I feel I really want a nissan.
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I wonder what kind of warranty I could get on an 8.5 year old car with almost 140K miles on it? :P
Last I looked, used Z4's are plentiful, & (I think?) a nice low mileage used one could be had in the low $20's. And have $10K left-over.
I haven't figured the Clubman S pricing, but I'd bet most people don't need all the options. And it might (?) have much better resale than the average 1-series.
What about the new WRX? Altho new Subies get very pricy once you start adding options & trim levels.
The Clubman S would be the most distinctive, a mint-condition used Z4 or 3-series could be a great car & value....
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
Of course, had I not opted for that warranty, I'm sure the tranny would've gone out at 39K miles and probably once or twice more before 100K miles. Probably would've lost the water pump, a/c compressor, and other odds and ends along the way, too.
Still, it seemed to make sense at the time. I blew through the 3/36K bumper-to-bumper warranty in 14 months. But as time went by, my driving cut back, and by the I ended up hitting the time limit and the mileage limit at around the same time on the extended warranty. At 5 years, I was around 99.2K miles.
I was also a bit worried that the car would just totally crap out after 5 years, when it was paid off and the warranty expired, but it stayed practically troublefree for two years after that. Now 2007 wasn't kind to me, to the tune of about $2K, but hopefully 2008 will be better.
With the way I drive nowadays, even a 3/36K warranty would be adequate. I probably wouldn't hit the 36K in FIVE years, let alone three! I guess if I ever do buy a new car, it would probably last forever!
Two BCM modules ($600 for the first, $300 for the second - Saturn split the cost with me); front transmission axle seal ($500-600) and new rotors and calipers ($1000+) since the warranty expired. I would have been about $1200 to the good.
However (knock on wood), I've had no problems since last summer. 70,500 miles as of yesterday. Have gotten two compliments on how good it looks in the past month, inside and out.
The wife's VUE has the extended warranty, while my daughter's ION does not. Of course, her ION has accumulated just over 14K in just under two years, so the warranty will expire due to time, not mileage.
woody - I've not priced out a Clubman S, but looking at the inventory of the only Mini dealer here in Colorado, I've seen them for as much as $32K. :surprise:
I don't think you would've come out that far ahead. Warranties don't cover wear items so the pads and rotors you would've been on your own (it may or may not cover the calipers themselves). That does seem somewhat hideously expensive for a brake job but its been so long since someone else did my brakes that I am out of touch with the cost.
If you took that $1200 for the warranty and invested it, you likely would've come out ahead of the warranty. That said we got the extended warranty for the Subaru and I look at it more like insurance. If something major goes wrong, it won't be a shocking bill.
But if I hadn't bought the ext. warranty, I would have been worrying when the orig. 3 yr. warranty ran out.......having a 6 year mfg. warranty can provide a lot of peace of mind. (I know the CPO or extended warranty doesn't have quite the same terms as the orig. warranty, but still......).
They're sure not cheap. Looking at what used 5 or 3 series wagons, or X3's, or even X5's for instance, go for, in reality I'm sure I'd buy something like that instead. Maybe.....but OTOH, as cool as the Clubman is, it's not an insane choice.
But you'd have to be really into it to justify the purchase, I think....(??)
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
You can equip a Clubman very nicely for about $25K... and, a Clubman S for about $28,500... That's about $2200 more than the respective coupes..
Is that a lot of money for a little car? Absolutely....
But, the MINI isn't just another little car.. The difference between a MINI and a Civic is the difference between a BMW and a Honda... It won't be worth it to everyone, but you do get something for that extra dough..
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However, the wife came in to see what I was doing and commented that she didn't like the Clubman nearly as much as the "regular" Mini. "Dorky" was the word she used.
She's had no such commentary on the 1-series, though.
And, for the record, the G8 won't fit in my garage. At least, not with enough room to get around it. My L is 190" long and that's about as long as the next car could be.
And probably, like me, you would be shocked at how well it moves. I definitely had my doubts, but having now driven it, those doubts are all wiped away. (sorry to those who may have read this in the other discussion i posted it in) The 208hp 2.5T would run circles around our 250hp Pacifica and I believe even our 240hp Pilot. It must just have such a wide flat torque curve that makes up for it. A turbo is a wonderful thing.
Plus, if I chose, I could reflash the ECU and pick up 8/10 of a second 0-60, according to IPD.
I wanted the 2.5T for its reliability and much better mileage, but now that I've driven it, I see we wouldn't be giving up performance for those 2 things. Its a win-win-win.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
But that was just from a quick perusal (I like that word, perusal), of the Mini Site. If I got into really ordering one, I'd ask you, others here, & elsewhere, about which options to actually get.....
Hey, I have a minor obsession going on with the Clubman, but haven't driven one yet. The closest Honda maybe (?) is the CRV, a loaded one is about the same price. A lot more practical maybe. I drove a CRV, was bored.
Practical and Boring is an apt description.... (great car, really)
I really need a Clubman, if I get a MINI, but they just do not look good to me..
If I get one, it will be a coupe.. I've spec-ed them out 4 different ways.. Base with few options, Base loaded, S with few options, and S loaded...
I'm trying to figure out how to stuff my 6' tall 14-yr old in a base coupe... Amputation is being considered..
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The front seats of a Cooper are fine for me at 6'3". The back seats? Well, roof racks are cheap...put him up there.
25 NX 450h+ / 24 Sienna Plat AWD / 23 Civic Type-R / 21 Boxster GTS 4.0 / 03 Montero Ltd
Quick cure - on that little sticker on window there are 2 numbers that represent a mythical rate at which the vehicle consumes fuel and the required octane. That did it for me.
That's the same problem that we had. I was all set to buy a Mini Cooper S, but my 5'8" 12-yr old wouldn't fit either. Hence the purchase of the Mazdaspeed3. You know, I keep expecting that I'll tire of the little bottle rocket, but its Q-Ship appearance and manic disposition always keeps things interesting. Take last week for example- when a new G37 tried to keep up with me on an increasing radius interstate on ramp. When I lifted at 100 I was still pulling away. I backed off to my normal 80 mph cruise and G-Boy roared by giving me a VERY dirty look... :P
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
It's a used vehicle, and probably has no fuel consumption sticker, because used vehicles don't consume fuel!
I am in must resist mode on getting an extra car just because while I need the van I don't like driving it as my regular vehicle.
Then I go and see 99 Celica convertible...
I could even put up with the automatic on it. It's only about an hour away.....
I gotta admit, it does get good mileage for what it is. I'm expecting around 22mpg. I've seen many reports on the volvo boards that exceed that.
SOOOO... having said that ... ummmm... well.... what's the pennance for an '05 XC90 2.5T AWD with 23k miles?
I honestly had NO INTENTION of buying when we stepped on that car lot last night. We merely went there because they had an XC90, X3, and Pilot all in one place and we could test drive them back to back to back. My wife found the X3 too small, so that was crossed off the list. The volvo just blew the Pilot away. I mean, no contest. The Pilot is nice and all, but if you drive it back to back with an XC90, you all of a sudden get this feeling that the honda is just cheap (although it carries the same price when used). ANYHOO, I didn't WANT to buy the volvo ... honest ... but I put the burden on them to meet my low low number ... and they did. What is a CCB'er to do??
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S