I usually change the oil myself on the 318ti, X3, Speed Triple, and Wrangler. It's so easy it only takes @20 minutes per car(or bike), and none of them need to be placed on ramps or jackstands. When I bought my Mazdaspeed3 the dealer gave me free oil changes every 5K for life, so I just bring my own Mobil 1 and let them do it. Mazda uses a filter system similar to that used on the BMWs, but Mazda inverted it and located it under the car. Since it's free I just let the dealer do it.
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
There used to be a place about a mile and a half from my house where you could dump your old oil. Unfortunately, people started abusing it and dumping antifreeze and other fluids, contaminating the tanks. And they'd also dump off old batteries and tires at that spot too. Eventually the county did away with it. So now I have to go about 4 1/2 miles away to dump it. I have a couple of big 5-gallon jugs I put the used oil in, so I don't have to run out there every time I change the oil. Only problem is, they lock it up after a certain hour, so it's not as convenient as the other place was.
I had a bad experience at the dealer the one time I had them change My Intrepid's oil. It was January, and the car was in there for some warranty work, and I was about to go on a trip to Texas later in the week, so I figured I'd just pay to get it changed. For $26.95, I got the privilege of them dumping more oil on the engine than in the engine! :surprise:
The mechanic I go to is an independent mechanic, and when they change the oil, I know they have real mechanics doing it, and not some high school burnout who thinks that it's 4:20, no matter what time it really is. :P
Just an FYI: most quickie lubes and even some auto parts stores (Kragen for sure) will recycle oil for free. Hopefully there is one of those closer than 4-1/2 miles for you.
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I was surprised to find out that Boise does curbside oil recycling when we moved here. We have a trout stream running through downtown an easy walk from the state capitol so maybe that constituency helped get it going.
And, if you only change your oil yearly or about every 7,500 miles like I do, there's not much to recycle. And my engines don't blow up or gel on that interval believe it or not - otherwise I could be a CCB'er too.
And, if you only change your oil yearly or about every 7,500 miles like I do, there's not much to recycle. And my engines don't blow up or gel on that interval believe it or not - otherwise I could be a CCB'er too.
That's the interval I use for everything except the Mazda, which gets a 5K change due to the fact that the combination of direct injection and turbocharging really does a number on the oil.
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
Just my own 2 cents: You have to be young to want to change your own oil. Or such a dedicated wrencher that it truly is easy (for you). And to save, what, $30?
But OTOH you have to have some confidence in the oil change place (duh) if you take it someplace. Maybe I'm lucky that a good indie bmw place near me does synthetic oil changes for $50. And before that, the local toyota dealer did oil changes on my old beat-up toyota for $30 I think.
Oh, & the oil eats holes in your asphalt driveway, or stains whatever your driveway. Then you have to schlep the old oil. And buy "goop" to clean yourself.......
Eh, I feel lazy not doing it, and its a recreational activity for me I like working on my cars; it helps me feel connected with them. I am also willing to schlep the oil down the hill to the recycling center to get the $60 savings from going to an oil change place to use for a nice dinner for the missus. It is something I like to do with my time. Maintaining things is fun to me...of course we will see how I feel after I spend the next few weekends repairing our deck.
Mazda uses a filter system similar to that used on the BMWs, but Mazda inverted it and located it under the car.
The one on Mom's first-generation Volvo S80 is the same way--pretty messy.
My VR6 Jetta was that way as well, but the filter housing actually had a separate drain plug so that you could handle the change without making so much of a mess.
>You have to be young to want to change your own oil.
I don't think I qualify as young but I do like changing my own oil. I control the brand and quality that does in since I bought the quart bottle. I control the filter choice. I drain into a pan, pour it into a used Kroger milk gallon container with screw on lid, and drop it by the city's recycling tank. Auto stores in the area collect used oil willingly also.
I like seeing how the oil appears in terms of color and content as it drains out. I also can make sure the oil is hot and drains rapidly and I can let it drain for an hour while I fix computers or something. That gets ALL the bad oil out.
I use a jack under one side of the car that the filter is on to give a little easier access underneath.
And I fully appreciate that someone does not want to mess with the oil change. I just recommend finding a place that you can trust to do it right with the quality of oil in that bulk tank that you think you're getting. Chintzing on the oil going into that bulk tank and telling people it's a great quality product is one good way to increase profits for the store that month in my way of thinking.
that I used to run one a quick lube type place. We weren't a chain just a family owned single store although the owner always wanted to expand he never got around to it. That was one of the reasons I left because he just didn't want to invest the extra money in expanding his current location or opening up a new location.
We used either Valvoline or Pennziol 5W30 or 10W30 conventional oil for our bulk oil but offered just about every other brand including Mobil 1 and Amsoil Synthetic in bottles.
A normal oil change was 19 dollars with fluid top off and a check of the tire pressures when we first opened. A few years later we were up to 24 or 25 dollars for a standard oil change. I haven't talked to the guy lately but I am sure with the huge increase in the price of oil lately he has had to increase his base price past 30 dollars.
My VR6 Jetta was that way as well, but the filter housing actually had a separate drain plug so that you could handle the change without making so much of a mess.
The Mazda does too, but you also have to raise the car to remove the plasic panel under the engine to get at the filter. Leaving the panel off isn't an option since it is a part of the under-car air management system.
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
Or spend the afternoon in your driveway DIY, with you, the driveway, & everything else covered in used oil, for maybe $12.........
$12?? When is the last time you purchased oil?
Its been a few months since I purchased any myself, but even then it was pushing $20 just for the filter and decent oil (nonsynthetic). For the $10 or so premium the dealership charges, I pay it .... at least on my Honda. Bimmer dealer wanted $100 to change my wife's oil. I did that myself last weekend instead.
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I thought you had to have a special tool to reset the BMW oil change light? What did you do?
Changing the oil on a our Pilot couldn't be much easier. I don't have to put it on ramps or anything. I can do it as fast as the dealer and without the wait, the drive, etc. I usually am able to do it for around $14.
Changing the oil on a our Pilot couldn't be much easier. I don't have to put it on ramps or anything. I can do it as fast as the dealer and without the wait, the drive, etc. I usually am able to do it for around $14.
I wish you could explain that to my hubby, he refuses to touch the Pilot, lol. I'd love for it to have synthetic oil in it, but he worries that if we don't have the dealer do all the oil changes it will mess with the ESC. Funny he doesn't worry about that with his Ram! :sick:
There's actually a technique that requires no tool whatsoever on older ones like my E30. Just a jumper wire on 2 of the points on the communication hookup under the hood. But there is some warning about keeping the key on too long once the jumper is in place? I found it a bit confusing, so I am choosing to just ignore the light telling me to change the oil.
fezo - its like any other vehicle ... don't take it to the dealer. and, heck, on a new bimmer, you get 4 years of free maintenance ... now you understand why that is such a big selling point.
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The V6 honda filters are pretty easy to reach. They are canted at about a 45 degree angle on the Passenger side lower corner of the engine. If you have small hands you can reach into through the A-Arm and loosen them. If not you can get them from the side of A-Arm fairly easy. Just gotta clean the a-arm off very well or oil will drip out of it for days.
fezo - its like any other vehicle ... don't take it to the dealer. and, heck, on a new bimmer, you get 4 years of free maintenance ... now you understand why that is such a big selling point.
Yeah it was funny, for the E30 when the customer paid for maintenance BMW didn't seem to care, but now they have 4 yrs free maintenance, they pretty much eliminated all "routine services." I wouldn't want a newer BMW used, 12k mile oil change intervals, "lifetime" transmission fluid, eh doesn't sound like a good way to improve vehicle longevity to me.
I wouldn't want a newer BMW used, 12k mile oil change intervals, "lifetime" transmission fluid, eh doesn't sound like a good way to improve vehicle longevity to me.
That's why I change the oil on the '04 X3 at 7,500 mile intervals and changed the ATF and transfer case fluid at 50K. On my '95 ti I change the oil at the same interval but I change the MT oil and final drive oil at 30K since it sees the track a few times each year. All synthetics, of course. The X3 is going to be the vehicle my son drives when he gets his license in @3 years(and no, it won't be HIS truck- it will be OUR truck which he may borrow IF he has earned the privilege) so I want to get another 70K or so out of it at a minimum. I special ordered the ti in 1995 and I plan to keep it forever.
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
Just gotta clean the a-arm off very well or oil will drip out of it for days.
I think I remember him looking at my Pilot and saying "yeah right". I'm guessing that's why. He used to change the oil on my Titan, but we had to rent a lift bay to do it, there's one on base that's cheap, but a pain in the rear to have to do that once every 4-6 weeks for the Pilot. The Titan had Amsoil in it, we ran it for 25k miles only changed the filter at 12,500 miles. Did it like that for 56k, engine ran great, rest of the truck was falling apart! Still miss my Titan, but not the 13 mpg!
At the rate fuel is going up that Civic is looking mighty tempting!! The Honda dealer did run away screaming at the thought of taking our dually in on trade though, lol. Can't imagine why............ :P
changes less than $30 to do an oil change and he is a short walk from work. It's just way too convenient to not let him do it.
I did do the first oil change and tune up on mt Miata just to prove to myself I can still do it . The last time I changed spark plugs and wires was over 15 years ago, but it was basically the same procedure. I must admit it is rewarding to do it yourself and it forces you to check some of the other components while you are in there.
I still think my 2 everyday cars will still be going to the mechanic, I just don't have that much time to do all 3 on a regular basis.
Several months ago, I registered on the BMWusa.com website that I was interested in the 1-series.
In the past month or so, I've gotten some emails from the closest dealer. I ignored the first few but finally responded to the latest one:
While I am interested in the 1-series, it's more of a theoretical interest. I am not in the market for a new car at this time. Thanks for the follow up.
This is the response I got from him:
No Problem. We will be here when you are ready. We do have demo models in both the 128i and the 135i. Feel free to come in anytime to drive one. I understand that your interest is theoretical, but sometimes it is fun to add a little real world in to make it more exciting. As I mentioned, I will cancel my follow-up for the near term. Please keep us in mind for the future and we look forward to earning your business.
My dilemma is this .. do I take a few minutes over my lunch hour one day and take the test drive, even though I'm several years away from purchasing?
I understand that he wants me to come in and test drive on the off chance that I might make an emotional decision to purchase / lease.
How do you change the ATF and T-Case fluid in th X3? I have never worked on a X3 since they never came into my old shop but on other BMWs we had a trans fluid exchange machine to get the fluid out of the transmission. It replaces the fluid one for one and it doesn't matter if the vehicle doesn't have a dipstick like lots of newer BMWs.
I assume the T-Case just has drain and fill plugs.
How do you change the ATF and T-Case fluid in th X3? I have never worked on a X3 since they never came into my old shop but on other BMWs we had a trans fluid exchange machine to get the fluid out of the transmission. It replaces the fluid one for one and it doesn't matter if the vehicle doesn't have a dipstick like lots of newer BMWs.
The X3 uses the GM A5S 390R which is the same one used in the E53 X5 and-with a different case- in the E39 5 Series and E46 3 Series six cylinders. You can use a flush machine or else drain the fluid, refill, and check the level at the fill plug once the tranny heats up to 30C-50C.
I assume the T-Case just has drain and fill plugs.
That's what I assume as well. I wanted the TC oil changed anyway, but my service advisor told me that when they hooked the truck up to the MODIC that it also indicated that the TC fluid should be changed.
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
I think there is a chance he also just wants to earn you as a future customer (I can think positively, can't I?).
I had the same thing happen when I stopped by the bimmer dealer in Long Branch, NJ, just to take a look at it. Salesman approached me, I explained I can't do anything yet, still have a year in my lease, and just wanted to look at it ... maybe sit in it so I can see if I fit (which I did). It was a Saturday, to boot. He was very nice. Offered a test drive, I declined because I didn't want to waste his time. He said no problem and I should come by any night during the week and, although I'm not purchasing now, he would go for a ride with me. His explanation was "I KNOW you will decide this will be your next car, so I am happy to spend time with you now for a purchase down the road."
Because of this experience, you can bet I will be contacting him (and I'll be taking him up on that test drive offer as soon as my schedule allows).
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do I take a few minutes over my lunch hour one day and take the test drive, even though I'm several years away from purchasing?
Answer: YES.Unless they're the type of dealer who hounds you, & then tries to get you in a little room afterwards for 3 hours to "sweat you down". But I've found most bmw dealers are very good about test drives. And if you see something else on the lot you like, maybe used, ask if you can drive that too.
Remember: the more test drives you take, the more you'll know when you're actually ready to buy.......and PS; the salesperson's response sounds great to me; I'd take it at face value.
The biggest "problem" with test driving bmw's is: it can totally warp your brain; i.e., wanting/lusting for one. Then there can be a steady progression in what some would see as an "addiction".
I sold my e24 M6 a few years ago, & it was awful, afterwards, only slightly more bearable than what Ewan McGregor went thru in "Trainspotting"......
I may yet end up with an E30 or E36 M3 to take to O'fest this fall...
IMO the E36 M3/4 is the pinnacle of automotive development. Sub-6 second 0-60, comfortable for 4, reasonable fuel economy, awesome driving dynamics, just a great do everything car. I think since then there have been other cars that are nearly as good (the '03 G35 6 speed sedan is close) but nothing at that time was in the same category.
The E30 M3 is a homologated race car and feels like it (thats not a bad thing, just have to know what you are in for). The engine has a relatively narrow powerband (like an early vtec Honda) but with that old school rear suspension and twitch, and a high peak power output, it can be fun and rewarding if driven in a sporting manner.
I did pop into the dealer yesterday over my lunch hour and take a quick spin in their demo 128i. Sedona red with black leather, premium package and an automatic (boo - but more on that in a moment). MSRP was just under $35K.
The test drive was not too long - I was on a tight schedule - and included some busy city streets and a quick blast on the highway.
First impression - dang, this is one nice looking car! The proportions are perfect to my eye. Even in the red (and without the sport package), it presents just the right stance. Long hood, short trunk - almost like a 60's muscle car, only modernized.
Second impression - even with the sunroof, I found myself a comfortable position behind the wheel. My head didn't rub against the headliner, plenty of room for arms and legs. As I stated after attending the car show, I did not need to have the seat all the way back in order to be comfortable.
Third impression - the key gizmo would take some getting used to. The demo didn't have the comfort package, but it's just odd not to turn a key to start the car.
Driving impression - because the car had so few miles on it (66, IIRC), I suspect that the transmission hasn't quite "learned" its owners driving habits. I found the automatic to be a bit jerky in stop and go traffic. I did learn, however, that the Steptronic is now a 6-speed rather than a 5-speed, which I was pleased about. The engine was everything I expected it to be - smooth, quiet and, even with "only" 230 HP, pretty powerful. I didn't wind it out and left it in Drive for the test, but with a bit of learning, I think even the auto could provide some fun. The ride was firm, but not harsh - I suspect that the 18" wheels and tires on the 135i might be less compliant.
Overall, I enjoyed the drive thoroughly. I explained to Mark (internet sales) that I was not in the market for a car, what with one child in college and another about to get married in May. He completely understood - as noted above, I suspect he was trying to build a relationship, even though it may be long-term before anything comes of it. He was very low key and understood my position. I also told him that when the time comes, I would possibly look at a CPO 3-series coupe.
He told me that it would take 6-8 weeks to special order a car, if that was what I wanted to do. They also had a 135i and a 128i convertible available - oddly, neither one really appealed to me as much as the 128i coupe.
By the time I got back to my desk after lunch, Mark had sent me another email thanking me for my visit - he was glad to have the chance to get out of the dealership on a Tuesday morning. There were 4 other salesfolks there when I arrived, and not a single customer in the store.
Anyway, while I didn't leave the dealership feeling warped and lusting after a BMW, I now have a better appreciation for the brand. As we all know here in this forum, a lot can change in 2-3 years.
IMO the E36 M3/4 is the pinnacle of automotive development. Sub-6 second 0-60, comfortable for 4, reasonable fuel economy, awesome driving dynamics, just a great do everything car. I think since then there have been other cars that are nearly as good (the '03 G35 6 speed sedan is close) but nothing at that time was in the same category.
The 1995 is especially nice, since you can add 38 hp for only $1299.
The E30 M3 is a homologated race car and feels like it (thats not a bad thing, just have to know what you are in for). The engine has a relatively narrow powerband (like an early vtec Honda) but with that old school rear suspension and twitch, and a high peak power output, it can be fun and rewarding if driven in a sporting manner.
Several years ago I spent a day lapping Infineon Raceway(AKA Sears Point) in a friend's E30 M3. Equipped with a Dinan suspension and a Conforti chip I only gave a point-by twice; once to a 911 Turbo and once to a "retired" IMSA 3 Series.
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
I think since then there have been other cars that are nearly as good (the '03 G35 6 speed sedan is close) but nothing at that time was in the same category.
R34 Nissan Skyline GT-T, IMO. It might give up a bit to the M3 in handling, but makes up for it by running every day of the week.
Good for you Michael, you drank the BMW Kool-aid and survived.
I have not driven a 128i yet, but to me they are what BMW is all about, small sport sedans. I have feeling if I went in for a test drive a probably would come home with one.
For a 128i. The weak dollar and content has really catapulted this car up into another class. Remember when it was still conceptual and how everyone was saying it would be positioned as the new 2002? Seems like a long time ago...
A 120 hatch that matched up against the A3 would have been so cool.
funny. I wonder if all dealers ordered the same 128i to start. That's exactly the same setup of the car I sat in. I really liked the color, but I'd be hard pressed to pay $475 for a paint option.
As far as I know (I'd know better if I drove a car equipped as such), I just want the auto tranny and sport pack. Power seat would be nice, but I don't think its necessary, especially at $995 (again, have to drive one to know for sure).
Of course ... then I think back to that S60R ... hmmmmm
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funny. I wonder if all dealers ordered the same 128i to start. That's exactly the same setup of the car I sat in. I really liked the color, but I'd be hard pressed to pay $475 for a paint option.
I suspect that's possible - the sales guy I spoke with yesterday indicated that pretty much all the 128's they were ordering will have the premium pkg. He didn't indicate what the split of manual to automatics they were going to order.
I agree with you about the charge for the metallic paint. I think I could live with red, white or black (well, maybe not black) and save the money.
As far as I know (I'd know better if I drove a car equipped as such), I just want the auto tranny and sport pack. Power seat would be nice, but I don't think its necessary, especially at $995 (again, have to drive one to know for sure).
Funny, when I started to configure on the web, the only option I went with was the cold weather package .. nice to have toasty buns in the winter. However, after driving the car yesterday with premium and the automatic, I'm sorely tempted to get them both. I'd have to drive the stick shift to be sure, though.
A 120 hatch that matched up against the A3 would have been so cool.
I had looked at the A3 as well at the auto show - while it's a bit less expensive, when comparably equipped, than a 128i, it is my opinion that the straight 6 completely blows away the turbo 4 in the Audi in terms of smoothness and refinement.
If you go with the 3.2 V6 in the A3, you're back into the mid-30's again for pricing. Granted, you are getting more utility (2 more doors, hatchback) than the BMW, but I've got an SUV to haul stuff in. The trunk in the 1-series is not too bad - again, I'd have to throw my golf clubs in there to see if they fit, and even if they don't, the rear seats fold down to expand the trunk space.
My opinion: get the cold weather package. And the $1,200 Sport Package is a true bargain IMO. I'd urge you to at least consider, & drive, the SPP version.....and if on a budget, consider deleting the Premium & getting the SPP......with a stick if that works for you.
Stick saves $1275. No Premium Package saves what, $3.6K??? Xenon headlights are, $800, well worth it IMO. Premium hi-fi system $875--if it's an improvement, probably worth it.
I would absolutely get the Xenon's, SPP, & maybe the Premium hi-fi, instead of the Premium Package......
Base MSRP $28,600 Sedona Red Metallic $475 Black Leatherette $0 High Gloss Black Trim $0 Cold Weather Package $750 Sport Package $1,200 iPod and USB adapter $400 Xenon headlights $800 Destination & Handling: $775 Total MSRP as Built $33,000
Add approximately $2K for metallic paint and leather - jury is out on those. $1275 for the Steptronic - ditto.
That puts the low end at $33K and the high end just over $36K. Which sounds like a lot until you realize that the base price of a 328i coupe is a tick over $36K, before adding any options. Heck, the base price on the 328i sedan is $33K, so a moderately loaded 128i isn't such a bad deal by comparison.
Of course, for that same money, I could get:
A loaded Pontiac G8 (361 HP) and have a few thousand left over for gas. A loaded Mini Cooper Clubman S ($32K for a Mini? :surprise: ) A CPO Z4 and a Yaris / Accent / Rio / Aveo.
OK, so the last one was facetious. Nice to have choices, and lots of time in which to evaluate them.
oh yeah. forgot about the USB adapter. I want that, too.
Honestly, I don't get xenons. I mean, they are cool and all, but just not $800 cool to me. And I live in the sticks where streetlights are few and far between, so I could use the extra light. But, again, $800?? No thanks. And I like my bun warmers. I've had them in every one of my cars since '00, but $775 seems excessive. I dunno. That's one to think about.
I also plan on checking out the G8. But I would be leasing the 1, and I'm sure the G8 with lease out higher. Plus, the appeal of the 1 is its compact size and relatively light weight in a RWD package. The G8 only meets 1 out of 3 of those characteristics. What's that thing weight? 2 tons?
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I also plan on checking out the G8. But I would be leasing the 1, and I'm sure the G8 with lease out higher. Plus, the appeal of the 1 is its compact size and relatively light weight in a RWD package. The G8 only meets 1 out of 3 of those characteristics. What's that thing weight? 2 tons?
Yep, a nice car, but just too heavy. And only two pedals- at least until Pontiac brings the GXP over. I'm about convinced that pumping up the Club Sport is my best option.
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
The same could be said of the 128i - almost 3500 pounds for the smallest BMW in the lineup???
I too wish they had brought over a 1-hatch to go head to head with the A3. And I find the 2.0t in the Audi quite melodious and compelling to drive. But of course there, my usual luck is true to form: stick shift + 2.0t + AWD = unavailable. :-(
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Does the Suzuki SX4 qualify for what you are looking for ? I know it only has 143 hp , but it does have the stick,hatch and awd. I think if you liked them you could get a steal on a used one seeing as Suzuki is not one of those cars everyone is looking for.
On the downside it is 2800lbs and gets terrible gas mileage for its size.
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Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
I had a bad experience at the dealer the one time I had them change My Intrepid's oil. It was January, and the car was in there for some warranty work, and I was about to go on a trip to Texas later in the week, so I figured I'd just pay to get it changed. For $26.95, I got the privilege of them dumping more oil on the engine than in the engine! :surprise:
The mechanic I go to is an independent mechanic, and when they change the oil, I know they have real mechanics doing it, and not some high school burnout who thinks that it's 4:20, no matter what time it really is. :P
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And, if you only change your oil yearly or about every 7,500 miles like I do, there's not much to recycle. And my engines don't blow up or gel on that interval believe it or not - otherwise I could be a CCB'er too.
That's the interval I use for everything except the Mazda, which gets a 5K change due to the fact that the combination of direct injection and turbocharging really does a number on the oil.
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
But OTOH you have to have some confidence in the oil change place (duh) if you take it someplace. Maybe I'm lucky that a good indie bmw place near me does synthetic oil changes for $50. And before that, the local toyota dealer did oil changes on my old beat-up toyota for $30 I think.
Oh, & the oil eats holes in your asphalt driveway, or stains whatever your driveway. Then you have to schlep the old oil. And buy "goop" to clean yourself.......
Just one way to look at it......
It is something I like to do with my time. Maintaining things is fun to me...of course we will see how I feel after I spend the next few weekends repairing our deck.
The one on Mom's first-generation Volvo S80 is the same way--pretty messy.
My VR6 Jetta was that way as well, but the filter housing actually had a separate drain plug so that you could handle the change without making so much of a mess.
I don't think I qualify as young but I do like changing my own oil. I control the brand and quality that does in since I bought the quart bottle. I control the filter choice. I drain into a pan, pour it into a used Kroger milk gallon container with screw on lid, and drop it by the city's recycling tank. Auto stores in the area collect used oil willingly also.
I like seeing how the oil appears in terms of color and content as it drains out. I also can make sure the oil is hot and drains rapidly and I can let it drain for an hour while I fix computers or something. That gets ALL the bad oil out.
I use a jack under one side of the car that the filter is on to give a little easier access underneath.
And I fully appreciate that someone does not want to mess with the oil change. I just recommend finding a place that you can trust to do it right with the quality of oil in that bulk tank that you think you're getting. Chintzing on the oil going into that bulk tank and telling people it's a great quality product is one good way to increase profits for the store that month in my way of thinking.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
We used either Valvoline or Pennziol 5W30 or 10W30 conventional oil for our bulk oil but offered just about every other brand including Mobil 1 and Amsoil Synthetic in bottles.
A normal oil change was 19 dollars with fluid top off and a check of the tire pressures when we first opened. A few years later we were up to 24 or 25 dollars for a standard oil change. I haven't talked to the guy lately but I am sure with the huge increase in the price of oil lately he has had to increase his base price past 30 dollars.
The Mazda does too, but you also have to raise the car to remove the plasic panel under the engine to get at the filter. Leaving the panel off isn't an option since it is a part of the under-car air management system.
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
$12?? When is the last time you purchased oil?
Its been a few months since I purchased any myself, but even then it was pushing $20 just for the filter and decent oil (nonsynthetic). For the $10 or so premium the dealership charges, I pay it .... at least on my Honda. Bimmer dealer wanted $100 to change my wife's oil. I did that myself last weekend instead.
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You have contributed to the "talk fezo out of a BMW" fund...
Changing the oil on a our Pilot couldn't be much easier. I don't have to put it on ramps or anything. I can do it as fast as the dealer and without the wait, the drive, etc. I usually am able to do it for around $14.
I wish you could explain that to my hubby, he refuses to touch the Pilot, lol. I'd love for it to have synthetic oil in it, but he worries that if we don't have the dealer do all the oil changes it will mess with the ESC. Funny he doesn't worry about that with his Ram! :sick:
I believe the last time I actually saw a Honda oil filter attached to the engine was on the mid-90s.
You don't need a reset tool for the newer BMWs. I bought thePeake Research scan tool, since I play with a lot of the older models.
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Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
fezo - its like any other vehicle ... don't take it to the dealer.
and, heck, on a new bimmer, you get 4 years of free maintenance ... now you understand why that is such a big selling point.
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and, heck, on a new bimmer, you get 4 years of free maintenance ... now you understand why that is such a big selling point.
Yeah it was funny, for the E30 when the customer paid for maintenance BMW didn't seem to care, but now they have 4 yrs free maintenance, they pretty much eliminated all "routine services." I wouldn't want a newer BMW used, 12k mile oil change intervals, "lifetime" transmission fluid, eh doesn't sound like a good way to improve vehicle longevity to me.
That's why I change the oil on the '04 X3 at 7,500 mile intervals and changed the ATF and transfer case fluid at 50K. On my '95 ti I change the oil at the same interval but I change the MT oil and final drive oil at 30K since it sees the track a few times each year. All synthetics, of course. The X3 is going to be the vehicle my son drives when he gets his license in @3 years(and no, it won't be HIS truck- it will be OUR truck which he may borrow IF he has earned the privilege) so I want to get another 70K or so out of it at a minimum. I special ordered the ti in 1995 and I plan to keep it forever.
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
I think I remember him looking at my Pilot and saying "yeah right". I'm guessing that's why. He used to change the oil on my Titan, but we had to rent a lift bay to do it, there's one on base that's cheap, but a pain in the rear to have to do that once every 4-6 weeks for the Pilot. The Titan had Amsoil in it, we ran it for 25k miles only changed the filter at 12,500 miles. Did it like that for 56k, engine ran great, rest of the truck was falling apart! Still miss my Titan, but not the 13 mpg!
At the rate fuel is going up that Civic is looking mighty tempting!! The Honda dealer did run away screaming at the thought of taking our dually in on trade though, lol. Can't imagine why............ :P
I did do the first oil change and tune up on mt Miata just to prove to myself I can still do it . The last time I changed spark plugs and wires was over 15 years ago, but it was basically the same procedure. I must admit it is rewarding to do it yourself and it forces you to check some of the other components while you are in there.
I still think my 2 everyday cars will still be going to the mechanic, I just don't have that much time to do all 3 on a regular basis.
In the past month or so, I've gotten some emails from the closest dealer. I ignored the first few but finally responded to the latest one:
While I am interested in the 1-series, it's more of a theoretical interest. I am not in the market for a new car at this time. Thanks for the follow up.
This is the response I got from him:
No Problem. We will be here when you are ready. We do have demo models in both the 128i and the 135i. Feel free to come in anytime to drive one. I understand that your interest is theoretical, but sometimes it is fun to add a little real world in to make it more exciting. As I mentioned, I will cancel my follow-up for the near term. Please keep us in mind for the future and we look forward to earning your business.
My dilemma is this .. do I take a few minutes over my lunch hour one day and take the test drive, even though I'm several years away from purchasing?
I understand that he wants me to come in and test drive on the off chance that I might make an emotional decision to purchase / lease.
How do you change the ATF and T-Case fluid in th X3? I have never worked on a X3 since they never came into my old shop but on other BMWs we had a trans fluid exchange machine to get the fluid out of the transmission. It replaces the fluid one for one and it doesn't matter if the vehicle doesn't have a dipstick like lots of newer BMWs.
I assume the T-Case just has drain and fill plugs.
The X3 uses the GM A5S 390R which is the same one used in the E53 X5 and-with a different case- in the E39 5 Series and E46 3 Series six cylinders. You can use a flush machine or else drain the fluid, refill, and check the level at the fill plug once the tranny heats up to 30C-50C.
I assume the T-Case just has drain and fill plugs.
That's what I assume as well. I wanted the TC oil changed anyway, but my service advisor told me that when they hooked the truck up to the MODIC that it also indicated that the TC fluid should be changed.
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
Are you kidding? He asked you to take a test drive..
Just call ahead to let him know you are coming...
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I had the same thing happen when I stopped by the bimmer dealer in Long Branch, NJ, just to take a look at it. Salesman approached me, I explained I can't do anything yet, still have a year in my lease, and just wanted to look at it ... maybe sit in it so I can see if I fit (which I did). It was a Saturday, to boot. He was very nice. Offered a test drive, I declined because I didn't want to waste his time. He said no problem and I should come by any night during the week and, although I'm not purchasing now, he would go for a ride with me. His explanation was "I KNOW you will decide this will be your next car, so I am happy to spend time with you now for a purchase down the road."
Because of this experience, you can bet I will be contacting him (and I'll be taking him up on that test drive offer as soon as my schedule allows).
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Answer: YES.Unless they're the type of dealer who hounds you, & then tries to get you in a little room afterwards for 3 hours to "sweat you down". But I've found most bmw dealers are very good about test drives. And if you see something else on the lot you like, maybe used, ask if you can drive that too.
Remember: the more test drives you take, the more you'll know when you're actually ready to buy.......and PS; the salesperson's response sounds great to me; I'd take it at face value.
I sold my e24 M6 a few years ago, & it was awful, afterwards, only slightly more bearable than what Ewan McGregor went thru in "Trainspotting"......
Same here; I sold my 1988 M6 in '95. I may yet end up with an E30 or E36 M3 to take to O'fest this fall...
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
IMO the E36 M3/4 is the pinnacle of automotive development. Sub-6 second 0-60, comfortable for 4, reasonable fuel economy, awesome driving dynamics, just a great do everything car. I think since then there have been other cars that are nearly as good (the '03 G35 6 speed sedan is close) but nothing at that time was in the same category.
The E30 M3 is a homologated race car and feels like it (thats not a bad thing, just have to know what you are in for). The engine has a relatively narrow powerband (like an early vtec Honda) but with that old school rear suspension and twitch, and a high peak power output, it can be fun and rewarding if driven in a sporting manner.
I did pop into the dealer yesterday over my lunch hour and take a quick spin in their demo 128i. Sedona red with black leather, premium package and an automatic (boo - but more on that in a moment). MSRP was just under $35K.
The test drive was not too long - I was on a tight schedule - and included some busy city streets and a quick blast on the highway.
First impression - dang, this is one nice looking car! The proportions are perfect to my eye. Even in the red (and without the sport package), it presents just the right stance. Long hood, short trunk - almost like a 60's muscle car, only modernized.
Second impression - even with the sunroof, I found myself a comfortable position behind the wheel. My head didn't rub against the headliner, plenty of room for arms and legs. As I stated after attending the car show, I did not need to have the seat all the way back in order to be comfortable.
Third impression - the key gizmo would take some getting used to. The demo didn't have the comfort package, but it's just odd not to turn a key to start the car.
Driving impression - because the car had so few miles on it (66, IIRC), I suspect that the transmission hasn't quite "learned" its owners driving habits. I found the automatic to be a bit jerky in stop and go traffic. I did learn, however, that the Steptronic is now a 6-speed rather than a 5-speed, which I was pleased about. The engine was everything I expected it to be - smooth, quiet and, even with "only" 230 HP, pretty powerful. I didn't wind it out and left it in Drive for the test, but with a bit of learning, I think even the auto could provide some fun. The ride was firm, but not harsh - I suspect that the 18" wheels and tires on the 135i might be less compliant.
Overall, I enjoyed the drive thoroughly. I explained to Mark (internet sales) that I was not in the market for a car, what with one child in college and another about to get married in May. He completely understood - as noted above, I suspect he was trying to build a relationship, even though it may be long-term before anything comes of it. He was very low key and understood my position. I also told him that when the time comes, I would possibly look at a CPO 3-series coupe.
He told me that it would take 6-8 weeks to special order a car, if that was what I wanted to do. They also had a 135i and a 128i convertible available - oddly, neither one really appealed to me as much as the 128i coupe.
By the time I got back to my desk after lunch, Mark had sent me another email thanking me for my visit - he was glad to have the chance to get out of the dealership on a Tuesday morning. There were 4 other salesfolks there when I arrived, and not a single customer in the store.
Anyway, while I didn't leave the dealership feeling warped and lusting after a BMW, I now have a better appreciation for the brand. As we all know here in this forum, a lot can change in 2-3 years.
The 1995 is especially nice, since you can add 38 hp for only $1299.
The E30 M3 is a homologated race car and feels like it (thats not a bad thing, just have to know what you are in for). The engine has a relatively narrow powerband (like an early vtec Honda) but with that old school rear suspension and twitch, and a high peak power output, it can be fun and rewarding if driven in a sporting manner.
Several years ago I spent a day lapping Infineon Raceway(AKA Sears Point) in a friend's E30 M3. Equipped with a Dinan suspension and a Conforti chip I only gave a point-by twice; once to a 911 Turbo and once to a "retired" IMSA 3 Series.
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
R34 Nissan Skyline GT-T, IMO. It might give up a bit to the M3 in handling, but makes up for it by running every day of the week.
I have not driven a 128i yet, but to me they are what BMW is all about, small sport sedans. I have feeling if I went in for a test drive a probably would come home with one.
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
The options include the premium pkg, automatic and metallic paint.
Oddly enough for Colorado, it didn't have the cold weather package.
For a 128i. The weak dollar and content has really catapulted this car up into another class. Remember when it was still conceptual and how everyone was saying it would be positioned as the new 2002? Seems like a long time ago...
A 120 hatch that matched up against the A3 would have been so cool.
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As far as I know (I'd know better if I drove a car equipped as such), I just want the auto tranny and sport pack. Power seat would be nice, but I don't think its necessary, especially at $995 (again, have to drive one to know for sure).
Of course ... then I think back to that S60R ... hmmmmm
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I suspect that's possible - the sales guy I spoke with yesterday indicated that pretty much all the 128's they were ordering will have the premium pkg. He didn't indicate what the split of manual to automatics they were going to order.
I agree with you about the charge for the metallic paint. I think I could live with red, white or black (well, maybe not black) and save the money.
As far as I know (I'd know better if I drove a car equipped as such), I just want the auto tranny and sport pack. Power seat would be nice, but I don't think its necessary, especially at $995 (again, have to drive one to know for sure).
Funny, when I started to configure on the web, the only option I went with was the cold weather package .. nice to have toasty buns in the winter. However, after driving the car yesterday with premium and the automatic, I'm sorely tempted to get them both. I'd have to drive the stick shift to be sure, though.
A 120 hatch that matched up against the A3 would have been so cool.
I had looked at the A3 as well at the auto show - while it's a bit less expensive, when comparably equipped, than a 128i, it is my opinion that the straight 6 completely blows away the turbo 4 in the Audi in terms of smoothness and refinement.
If you go with the 3.2 V6 in the A3, you're back into the mid-30's again for pricing. Granted, you are getting more utility (2 more doors, hatchback) than the BMW, but I've got an SUV to haul stuff in. The trunk in the 1-series is not too bad - again, I'd have to throw my golf clubs in there to see if they fit, and even if they don't, the rear seats fold down to expand the trunk space.
Pros and cons.
Stick saves $1275. No Premium Package saves what, $3.6K??? Xenon headlights are, $800, well worth it IMO. Premium hi-fi system $875--if it's an improvement, probably worth it.
I would absolutely get the Xenon's, SPP, & maybe the Premium hi-fi, instead of the Premium Package......
Base MSRP $28,600
Sedona Red Metallic $475
Black Leatherette $0
High Gloss Black Trim $0
Cold Weather Package $750
Sport Package $1,200
iPod and USB adapter $400
Xenon headlights $800
Destination & Handling: $775
Total MSRP as Built $33,000
Add approximately $2K for metallic paint and leather - jury is out on those. $1275 for the Steptronic - ditto.
That puts the low end at $33K and the high end just over $36K. Which sounds like a lot until you realize that the base price of a 328i coupe is a tick over $36K, before adding any options. Heck, the base price on the 328i sedan is $33K, so a moderately loaded 128i isn't such a bad deal by comparison.
Of course, for that same money, I could get:
A loaded Pontiac G8 (361 HP) and have a few thousand left over for gas.
A loaded Mini Cooper Clubman S ($32K for a Mini? :surprise: )
A CPO Z4 and a Yaris / Accent / Rio / Aveo.
OK, so the last one was facetious. Nice to have choices, and lots of time in which to evaluate them.
Honestly, I don't get xenons. I mean, they are cool and all, but just not $800 cool to me. And I live in the sticks where streetlights are few and far between, so I could use the extra light. But, again, $800?? No thanks. And I like my bun warmers. I've had them in every one of my cars since '00, but $775 seems excessive. I dunno. That's one to think about.
I also plan on checking out the G8. But I would be leasing the 1, and I'm sure the G8 with lease out higher. Plus, the appeal of the 1 is its compact size and relatively light weight in a RWD package. The G8 only meets 1 out of 3 of those characteristics. What's that thing weight? 2 tons?
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Yep, a nice car, but just too heavy. And only two pedals- at least until Pontiac brings the GXP over. I'm about convinced that pumping up the Club Sport is my best option.
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
The same could be said of the 128i - almost 3500 pounds for the smallest BMW in the lineup???
I too wish they had brought over a 1-hatch to go head to head with the A3. And I find the 2.0t in the Audi quite melodious and compelling to drive. But of course there, my usual luck is true to form: stick shift + 2.0t + AWD = unavailable. :-(
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On the downside it is 2800lbs and gets terrible gas mileage for its size.