Chronic Car Buyers Anonymous (Archived)

breld

nyccarguy said:

@breld - here’s one at the dealer near me.  Not the missus color preference with low miles, but they seem to be ASKING (Remember what Ace Ventura said) the king’s ransom for it.  Not THAT much less than a new one, right?

https://www.prestigevwct.com/used/Volkswagen/2017-Volkswagen-Golf+R-cf776a170a0e0a6b38171900575defa4.htm

I like that color for sure.  Another one exclusive to the R.  

And yes, at that asking price, a new facelifted 2018 would be the way to go for sure.  

breld

qbrozen said:

Gotta be honest: I don't see the point to the V60 and Golf R and an SUV all coexisting in the household. Much redundancy.

Really?  I mean, yes on the Polestar and Golf R, though the manual trannie adds something unique.  But it’d really be a nice contrast for me between the Q7 and Golf.  

At some point, whether sooner or later, I think we’d like to have a stick shift again.  For now the pull on our third car is between staying electric or going all out fun.  

nyccarguy

This is a pretty color combination - service history looks solid.  Dirty Car Fax & 60K Miles are the downside:

https://www.bmwofcapecod.com/used/BMW/2015-BMW-3+Series-5f7bf81c0a0d0cc7293394410b435ab1.htm

qbrozen

For some reason, I was thinking it was a Q5. Think I'm getting mixed up with your previous SQ5 and your wife's potential future SQ5. I didn't even mention the Prius. 3 hatchbacks, essentially. But, specifically, yes, the R and volvo seem redundant to me, regardless of transmission. I'd still personally much rather have the volvo. If you have them at the same time, I'd suggest holding for a while to determine which is preferred. I get the feeling the VW will be sitting a lot.

nyccarguy

@breld - I know you and the wife have an itchy trigger finger.  I’m far from the resident “Volvo Enthusiast,” but I thing that Polestar is a pretty special car.  Tread carefully!

breld

Thanks Q and @nyccarguy.  

You’re absolutely right on the itchy trigger finger. We just get in the mode and feed off each other.  

Consistent with pretty much everyone’s take here...with all the musings and back and forth this past weekend, my wife did land at a place where she appreciates the Polestar and knows there would be significant remorse over trading out of that too quickly.  

breld

qbrozen said:

I'd still personally much rather have the volvo. If you have them at the same time, I'd suggest holding for a while to determine which is preferred. I get the feeling the VW will be sitting a lot.

Wise advice on holding both to determine the preference.  

Though not sure the VW would be sitting a lot - if my wife’s not driving it, I would whenever I could.  It’d take the place of the Civic Type R nicely, with the added benefit of not receiving unwanted attention on the road.  

qbrozen

Maybe. I think also maybe you'd find the Q7 a nicer place to be, though.

qbrozen

Uh-oh. The wheels are turning this evening. Here are a couple of interesting things...

1. Can currently lease a loaded Pacifica Limited for nearly $200 less than our current loan payment on the T&C, sign and drive.
2. Just got a quote from Carvana for nearly $18k for our T&C, which is a little above auction value and $2k above our loan balance.

Hey, FF, know any Chrysler brokers?

nyccarguy

qbrozen said:

Uh-oh. The wheels are turning this evening. Here are a couple of interesting things...

1. Can currently lease a loaded Pacifica Limited for nearly $200 less than our current loan payment on the T&C, sign and drive.
2. Just got a quote from Carvana for nearly $18k for our T&C, which is a little above auction value and $2k above our loan balance.

Hey, FF, know any Chrysler brokers?

There’s a guy on lease hacker who deals with CJD in NY/NJ/CT

qbrozen

IS that nyclife? Can't seem to find what brands he works with.

breld

The Pacifica seems like a really nice van.  I can imagine it’d be hard to pass on lowering the payment for one.  

suydam

what kind of reliability does it have?

28firefighter

Start with nyclife (Quentin) and if he doesn’t work CJDR, let me know. There are a couple others. 

qbrozen

Just awaiting the wife's thumbs up. It is possible she'll say no, thinking that we'd at least have some time without payments when the T&C is paid off. I'm left wondering how long that would last, though. 

pensfan83

nyclife works CJDR, or at least he did as I bounced a few things off of him last fall on a Jeep.

henryn

qbrozen said:

Uh-oh. The wheels are turning this evening. Here are a couple of interesting things...

1. Can currently lease a loaded Pacifica Limited for nearly $200 less than our current loan payment on the T&C, sign and drive.
2. Just got a quote from Carvana for nearly $18k for our T&C, which is a little above auction value and $2k above our loan balance.

Hey, FF, know any Chrysler brokers?

They're going to give you $18k for a 2014 T&C? Sounds high, sounds like the kind of offers that CarMax used to make. I'll have to remember to try them the next time I want to unload a vehicle, I used to use CarMax, and these days more to TexasDirectAuto.

The new Pacifica's are really nice, no question about it. I thought about it, but the total difference jumping from my 2016 T&C into a new Pacifica was just more than I wanted to get into.

And, of course, a lease isn't going to happen here in Texas, out of the question.

Good luck with your (potential) deal!

qbrozen

Yup. That's what they said. I have the quote saved. I also have a query out to Honcker regarding their lease quote. They are showing me a white over mocha Limited with Safety and Entertainment packages for a shade under $500/mo with first month at signing, 36mo/15k. My query to them is what incentives that involves. By my calculations, I should be able to get to about $485 on my own without too much work. But if they have not already incorporated the $1k competitive lease incentive, their number could come out even better.

qbrozen

Got a reply. I had asked about incentives and also how I can find how far away the dealership is. They say in their FAQs that if you are more than 25 miles away, you'd have to go get it. For all I know, the quote is for a dealership 1000 miles away. His answer does not agree with their FAQ, which states you have 12 hours to cancel.

The Honcker platform applies all incentives and rebates that you would qualify for, including Conquest and Loyalty. The reason we can do this is when you are registering in the app, you would add that you have any existing lease or owned vehicles. From there, the system will know you have this and apply any applicable rebates based on this information (in addition to military and student discounts).

Once you place an order and upload documents, we would be happy to disclose the distance from the dealership. The great thing about Honcker is you can cancel the lease at any time!

pensfan83

If you aren't pressed for time I'd try to replicate or do better than Honcker first since you can at least control the where, when, and what.

suydam

Sounds sketchy.

28firefighter

Honckr is a great concept and has generally been known to work well. However, there have been issues with lags in the system in terms of inventory not updating and vehicles not being available. You really have to watch it for the deals because they get posted and disappear fairly quickly especially in the sub-300 pricepoint.

qbrozen

I'm using Honcker as sort of a baseline. Wife has given thumbs up to the idea, but now she needs to go sit in one tonight after work. Following that, I'll reach out to a broker.

corvette

Woah. Carvana just offered me $19,651 for my 2011 Mustang GT Premium. That is about what I paid a year ago. That is $4,000 more than Edmunds trade in value. Anyone care to talk me off the ledge? 

xwesx

corvette said:

Woah. Carvana just offered me $19,651 for my 2011 Mustang GT Premium. That is about what I paid a year ago. That is $4,000 more than Edmunds trade in value. Anyone care to talk me off the ledge? 

Nope. Sell it now!!!

henryn

What the heck is going on with carvana? This is weird.

breld

corvette said:

Woah. Carvana just offered me $19,651 for my 2011 Mustang GT Premium. That is about what I paid a year ago. That is $4,000 more than Edmunds trade in value. Anyone care to talk me off the ledge? 

So is this an online quote? How "firm" is it? Just curious how this Carvana thing is working.

breld

qbrozen said:

I'm using Honcker as sort of a baseline. Wife has given thumbs up to the idea, but now she needs to go sit in one tonight after work. Following that, I'll reach out to a broker.

Sounds like you'll be able to work something out one way or another. Based on everything I've read, the Pacifica will be a wonderful upgrade over the T&C.

corvette

They offered less than wholesale for my Tahoe, so I guess it evens out. I’m still planning on keeping it for a while, anyway.  On the Mustang, it looks like they are way overpaying for the low miles, which is fine by me. 

benjaminh

corvette said:

Woah. Carvana just offered me $19,651 for my 2011 Mustang GT Premium. That is about what I paid a year ago. That is $4,000 more than Edmunds trade in value. Anyone care to talk me off the ledge? 

Take the money.

au1994

benjaminh said:

corvette said:

Woah. Carvana just offered me $19,651 for my 2011 Mustang GT Premium. That is about what I paid a year ago. That is $4,000 more than Edmunds trade in value. Anyone care to talk me off the ledge? 

Take the money.

And run

28firefighter

Agree - take the money before they change their mind.

qbrozen

Make sure you get a quote from Vroom, to

kyfdx

28firefighter said:

Agree - take the money before they change their mind.

Ditto

corvette

Just submitted the request for an offer from Vroom. They didn’t ask which transmission it had? Weird. I should hear back in 30 minutes. 

corvette

Also invited Vroom to bid on the Tahoe, which should be interesting. I have no idea what I’d get to replace it. 

stickguy

I should try this with my Elantra. But not for another month when the princess has her new car.

kyfdx

So... when you go to Carmax, someone looks over your car, then gives you a quote.

What happens when the Carvana truck takes your car away, and then they say they have deductions?

stickguy

Odd. They don’t even send an inspector out, like for a lease return?

kyfdx

stickguy said:

Odd. They don’t even send an inspector out, like for a lease return?

I don't know.... seems like they are giving their offers on-line.

They expect you to buy a car without seeing it first, so who knows?

corvette

kyfdx said:

So... when you go to Carmax, someone looks over your car, then gives you a quote. What happens when the Carvana truck takes your car away, and then they say they have deductions?

Per the reviews I read online, somebody shows up with a truck, drives your car around the block, and hands you a check. 

I guess we’ll find out. Vroom’s offer was $15k, which is about what I’d expect as a normal trade in offer. Vroom appears to have choked on the request for a bid on the Tahoe, lol, guess they don’t want an old truck with 124,000 miles on it. 

kyfdx

Most late model dealers don't want anything with 100K+ miles. They can't finance it without going sub-prime.

qbrozen

Vroom is about $1300 below carvana on our van.

corvette

Vroom offered $11k on the Tahoe. Sounds about right but I’m not itching to sell it. If it were $4k over trade in value like the Mustang, I’d be scrambling to find a replacement! 

laurasdada

Just did a quick inventory search of my local Alfa dealer: 6 Giulia in stock, 41 Stelvio. That ratio makes me sad.

qbrozen

Did you accept the Mustang offer?

kyfdx

laurasdada said:

Just did a quick inventory search of my local Alfa dealer: 6 Giulia in stock, 41 Stelvio. That ratio makes me sad.

Seems like what I see going down the road, everyday. No one wants sedans.

28firefighter

Part of the glut of Stelvio inventory is not related to demand and more due to two factors: (1) Early Stelvios were not CarPlay and Android Auto compatible, and (2) There was a stop sale on Stelvios for a while due to a water intrusion issue. That caused a build of inventory once the stop sale was lifted.

corvette

qbrozen said:

Did you accept the Mustang offer?

In the process of accepting, right now. They ask for photos of your ID, both sides of the title (if you live in a state where the lienholder doesn't hold the physical title), odometer, 10-day payoff, and vehicle registration. Seems pretty straightforward so far!

...and done! They are supposed to contact me within 24 hours to schedule a pickup.

qbrozen

Deal is dead. Wife test drove and does not like it as much as her T&C.