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  • corvettecorvette Member Posts: 11,292
    Carvana pick-up scheduled for Thursday afternoon. I'll let everyone know how it goes!
  • Sandman6472Sandman6472 Member Posts: 7,218
    A/C went out again yesterday, there has to be a freon leak as it was refilled on 6/19. The a/c folks are coming in the morning so we'll see what happens. Not going into work since someone needs to be home and it falls on me. Luckily my work is flexible. Over at a nearby hotel now as sleeping was almost null last night, need a good night's sleep tonight to handle tomorrow.
    Between my accident, illness and our a/c issues, I'm at my limit honestly. Not sure I can take much more honestly!!!

    The Sandman :)B)

    2023 Hyundai Kona Limited AWD (wife) / 2025 VW GTI (me) / 2019 Chevrolet Cruze Premier RS (daughter #1) / 2020 Hyundai Accent SE (daughter #2) / 2023 Subaru Impreza Base (son)

  • nyccarguynyccarguy Member Posts: 17,502
    corvette said:
    When I was in Albuquerque, I reserved a luxury vehicle, and they let me pick anything on the lot, including a Volvo convertible or Lincoln MKX. I ended up taking the Escalade and thought it was a ridiculous vehicle. Of course, I ended up owning and loving a Yukon Denali and a Tahoe afterwards, so, you never know!
    You should have taken a left turn at Albuquerque

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  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,688

    A/C went out again yesterday, there has to be a freon leak as it was refilled on 6/19. The a/c folks are coming in the morning so we'll see what happens. Not going into work since someone needs to be home and it falls on me. Luckily my work is flexible. Over at a nearby hotel now as sleeping was almost null last night, need a good night's sleep tonight to handle tomorrow.
    Between my accident, illness and our a/c issues, I'm at my limit honestly. Not sure I can take much more honestly!!!

    The Sandman :)B)

    Hang in there, Sandy. You know they say that things tend to happen in threes! Maybe the next turn will be a trio of GOOD events! :)
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  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 265,814
    Nice job!

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  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,688
    Oh, I forgot to mention that I dropped my wife's Forester off at the body shop yesterday to get those passenger-side windows replaced (and doors, and paint, and mirror.....). That stinkin' canoe did about $6,500 worth of damage! :(
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  • 28firefighter28firefighter Member Posts: 9,829
    xwesx said:
    Oh, I forgot to mention that I dropped my wife's Forester off at the body shop yesterday to get those passenger-side windows replaced (and doors, and paint, and mirror.....). That stinkin' canoe did about $6,500 worth of damage! :(
    Holy crapoly!
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  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,688
    Did I post the original incident here, or just over in Road Trips? Well, if anyone is interested and has no clue what I'm on about, just visit that thread (June 06) for the details...
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  • suydamsuydam Member Posts: 5,071
    Missed that one.
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  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,688
    suydam said:

    Missed that one.

    Here's the link to the post(s):

    https://forums.edmunds.com/discussion/comment/5512426/#Comment_5512426
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  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,688
    edited July 2018
    And, another funny (frustrating?) bit about the Forester. While we were on our trip, that car drank FIVE quarts of oil (we only drove ~5,600 miles total), and it was ready for another when we arrived home. I always take a gallon of oil with me, but it drank the last of that before we re-entered Canada on the way home!

    Someone mentioned that there was a TSB out for an oil consumption issue on the new "FB" block's 2.5L engines. I did some research, and sure enough there it was in black and white. Apparently a big class action suit, settlement, extended warranties, etc. etc.

    I took it in to the local dealership to have them verify the issue. They changed the oil (charged me for that) and "set it" for a 1,200 mile test of consumption. We finished off those miles in about three weeks, after which I took it in and showed them that it had, indeed, consumed a little over another quart. The engine fails the test at >1/3 quart over that distance!

    The fix? They replace the engine (short block). Man, what a trip indeed.... The car goes to the shop for that work as soon as we get it back from the body shop.
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
  • suydamsuydam Member Posts: 5,071
    xwesx said:

    suydam said:

    Missed that one.

    Here's the link to the post(s):

    https://forums.edmunds.com/discussion/comment/5512426/#Comment_5512426
    xwesx said:

    suydam said:

    Missed that one.

    Here's the link to the post(s):

    https://forums.edmunds.com/discussion/comment/5512426/#Comment_5512426
    Wow. That was a close one. Glad everyone is ok. Once I was just driving along a country road, as I’d done a thousand time before, when a stone got thrown out by a man mowing his yard. Completely shattered the passenger window. I mean SHATTERED. A pile of tiny bits of glass all over the front passenger seat. And even some on the dog in the back seat. Fortunately i did not have a (human) passenger! But what a weird event — that had to happen at precisely the moment I was driving by.
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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,360
    wes, look at the bright side. Between the canoe and the TSB, you are basically getting a brand new Forester out of the deal!

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  • MichaellMichaell Moderator Posts: 262,428
    stickguy said:

    wes, look at the bright side. Between the canoe and the TSB, you are basically getting a brand new Forester out of the deal!

    Except for the deductible....

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,737
    While working on my Dad’s deal, a friend in seattle needed a car and liked a Stelvio Sport AWD. Put this together pretty quickly - seems the low option cars move easily for cheap:

    MSRP: $46,240
    Sale Price (Before lease cash):$36,875
    Lease Cash: $3250

    Term: 24
    Mileage: 12k
    MF: .000245
    Residual: 59%

    DAS: $1540 ($336 first month + $700 registration/RTA tax+ $150 doc fee + $354 tax on rebate and fees)

    Monthly: $336 incl 10.4% tax 

    Would have been much better at 10k miles and if he didn’t live in King County where registration is criminally expensive right now. 

    Picks it up Thursday
    Wow! So just about $400 effective monthly for 24 mos on $46k msrp. Fantastic job. 

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,737
    I keep staring at this. Also $46k msrp.


    '11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S

  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,360
    You people are killing me.

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  • pensfan83pensfan83 Member Posts: 2,767
    Wonder if there's any deals on Scat Pack.....
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  • graphicguygraphicguy Member Posts: 14,121
    qbrozen said:

    I keep staring at this. Also $46k msrp.


    Ooo....oooo....ooooo....I really like Challengers. Not enough to pull out the checkbook, but that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t. And, I agree with @pensfan83 ....get the Scat PAck!
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  • corvettecorvette Member Posts: 11,292
    Carvana is supposed to come to my office tomorrow to collect the Mustang.  :)
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Member Posts: 17,502
    qbrozen said:
    I keep staring at this. Also $46k msrp.


    So the question is @Michaell & @kyfdx:  which challenger Model & trim has the best lease deal right now In your humble opinions.

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  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 265,814
    nyccarguy said:


    qbrozen said:

    I keep staring at this. Also $46k msrp.



    So the question is @Michaell & @kyfdx:  which challenger Model & trim has the best lease deal right now In your humble opinions.

    That's a good question.

    But, without transaction prices, it's hard to know.. There are at least 11 different trims with different programs.

    R/T Plus
    R/T Plus Shaker
    T/A
    T/A Plus

    All have low MF, reasonable residuals, high incentives.

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,737
    edited July 2018
    Scat Pack, with nearly same MSRP, is $177 more per month. I don't know why exactly, but the T/A Plus is the cheapest V8 Challenger (for me, on Honcker) by a wide margin.

    Honestly, I'm digging that green, too. And, with the T/A, I believe that gives it a flat black hood, wheels, and spoiler. Also, as a T/A Plus, it has alacantara seats, navigation, etc. Really wish I could jump on it right now. :(

    '11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S

  • nyccarguynyccarguy Member Posts: 17,502
    qbrozen said:
    Scat Pack, with nearly same MSRP, is $177 more per month. I don't know why exactly, but the T/A Plus is the cheapest V8 Challenger (for me, on Honcker) by a wide margin. Honestly, I'm digging that green, too. And, with the T/A, I believe that gives it a flat black hood, wheels, and spoiler. Also, as a T/A Plus, it has alacantara seats, navigation, etc. Really wish I could jump on it right now. :(
    Does that get you the shaker hood?  In all seriousness, the deals on these things should be around when the lease is up on your truck, unless there have been so many interest rate hikes that they jack up the money factor...

    The numbers do make it very tempting.  Is that Honcker app legit?

    @corvette - fingers crossed on dumping the Mustang!

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,737
    i've read a few positive reports on Honcker. I'd like to try it myself one day and find out first hand. From what I have seen so far, it seems to cater more positively to FCA vehicles. Not so great on German makes. Hit and miss on the asian brands.

    '11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S

  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    qbrozen said:

    I keep staring at this. Also $46k msrp.


    I like it, I like it---but I will never EVER wear anything resembling Army green again, I assure you. :p
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    The New Veloster N

    Seems like they are gunning for the Civic Type R and the Golf R, and, of course, cutting the price.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,737
    Using kyfdx's numbers from the lease discussion, looks like that T/A is a decent deal. A little more than 10% off plus $3k lease incentive and $1k conquest. So roughly $46.5k with net cap of about $37.5k. About 0.58% interest and 65% residual.

    '11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S

  • 28firefighter28firefighter Member Posts: 9,829
    Exactly right Q. I have a hard time counting the $700 registration fee in my deal quality because that’s year over year reality here, but fair is fair. 

    Now, dealing with the east coast dealers on a Ti Sport has been a whole other round of terrible.
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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,737
    nyccarguy said:
    qbrozen said:
    Scat Pack, with nearly same MSRP, is $177 more per month. I don't know why exactly, but the T/A Plus is the cheapest V8 Challenger (for me, on Honcker) by a wide margin. Honestly, I'm digging that green, too. And, with the T/A, I believe that gives it a flat black hood, wheels, and spoiler. Also, as a T/A Plus, it has alacantara seats, navigation, etc. Really wish I could jump on it right now. :(
    Does that get you the shaker hood?  In all seriousness, the deals on these things should be around when the lease is up on your truck, unless there have been so many interest rate hikes that they jack up the money factor...

    The numbers do make it very tempting.  Is that Honcker app legit?

    @corvette - fingers crossed on dumping the Mustang!

    not a shaker hood

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  • Sandman6472Sandman6472 Member Posts: 7,218
    A/C guy just got here and filling unit with freon. Said he'll find the issue and if it's a bad part, will order it. Also going to get an estimate for a new system as it's 14 years old come October. Spoke to an a/c person yesterday and they also agreed that it's probably time for a replacement. Tired of this happening monthly here in the summer. Also, a newer unit should be more economical to run. Remember our bill going down with the last change out in 2004. Think it's time!!

    The Sandman :(B)

    2023 Hyundai Kona Limited AWD (wife) / 2025 VW GTI (me) / 2019 Chevrolet Cruze Premier RS (daughter #1) / 2020 Hyundai Accent SE (daughter #2) / 2023 Subaru Impreza Base (son)

  • pensfan83pensfan83 Member Posts: 2,767
    Speaking of deals someone on leasehackr nabbed a loaner 430i w/M-Sport, blind spot, park distance CarPlay, and other assorted options for $371/month incl. tax for a 24/10 lease. Almost 30% off sticker.
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  • au1994au1994 Member Posts: 3,705
    pensfan83 said:

    Speaking of deals someone on leasehackr nabbed a loaner 430i w/M-Sport, blind spot, park distance CarPlay, and other assorted options for $371/month incl. tax for a 24/10 lease. Almost 30% off sticker.

    Wow! That’s incredible

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  • MichaellMichaell Moderator Posts: 262,428
    au1994 said:

    pensfan83 said:

    Speaking of deals someone on leasehackr nabbed a loaner 430i w/M-Sport, blind spot, park distance CarPlay, and other assorted options for $371/month incl. tax for a 24/10 lease. Almost 30% off sticker.

    Wow! That’s incredible
    How much out of pocket to start?

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  • pensfan83pensfan83 Member Posts: 2,767
    Looks like a true sign and drive.
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  • roadburnerroadburner Member Posts: 18,331
    qbrozen said:

    Scat Pack, with nearly same MSRP, is $177 more per month. I don't know why exactly, but the T/A Plus is the cheapest V8 Challenger (for me, on Honcker) by a wide margin.

    Honestly, I'm digging that green, too. And, with the T/A, I believe that gives it a flat black hood, wheels, and spoiler. Also, as a T/A Plus, it has alacantara seats, navigation, etc. Really wish I could jump on it right now. :(

    My wife might kill me, but I'm tempted as well...

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  • Sandman6472Sandman6472 Member Posts: 7,218
    A/C is in death mode!! Found leaks in the outside coils which are not fixable. This time it took more than 3 times the freon it needed last month. But bottom line is were getting a new unit as of tomorrow. Tech can't guarantee how long we'll have cold air this time and in South Florida in July, it's frickin' hot!!! Start tomorrow about 8:30 and should take about 4 to 5 hours to complete. We changed all the piping and other things inside back in 2004 when we upgraded to a 3.5 ton unit so since we're keeping the same size unit again, the tedious work is already done it seems. I just want the house cool and comfortable again, around 76 degrees where we usually keep it.

    The Sandman :(B)


    (P.S. Since bad things seem to come in three's, this should be it for the year. First was my car accident, second my emergency surgery and now this. Enough already!!!)

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  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,688
    suydam said:


    Wow. That was a close one. Glad everyone is ok. Once I was just driving along a country road, as I’d done a thousand time before, when a stone got thrown out by a man mowing his yard. Completely shattered the passenger window. I mean SHATTERED. A pile of tiny bits of glass all over the front passenger seat. And even some on the dog in the back seat. Fortunately i did not have a (human) passenger! But what a weird event — that had to happen at precisely the moment I was driving by.

    Yeah, the rock from a mower scenario is just freakish in terms of timing! A retired employee stopped by here last Friday out of the blue. We normally don't see her but once every few months, and she was just here a couple weeks ago, so we were all surprised. Well, turns out that the same type of deal happened to her just about a mile away from here. It took out the middle passenger side window of her minivan! That's a LOT of glass!

    Most of the window was still there, but it was slowly crumbling. I took about a half-hour and, along with another employee, we carefully taped up the window to preserve what was left of it until she could get it to a glass shop. Serious mess, that!
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  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,688
    Michaell said:

    stickguy said:

    wes, look at the bright side. Between the canoe and the TSB, you are basically getting a brand new Forester out of the deal!

    Except for the deductible....
    No deductibles this time around. My only expense (or should be only expense) was the Lowe's visit (about $200 in tools and materials) and the oil change at the dealership last month (about $75).
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  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,688
    corvette said:

    Carvana is supposed to come to my office tomorrow to collect the Mustang.  :)

    Not like you're counting down or anything..... ;)
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  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,688

    A/C is in death mode!! Found leaks in the outside coils which are not fixable. This time it took more than 3 times the freon it needed last month. But bottom line is were getting a new unit as of tomorrow. Tech can't guarantee how long we'll have cold air this time and in South Florida in July, it's frickin' hot!!! Start tomorrow about 8:30 and should take about 4 to 5 hours to complete. We changed all the piping and other things inside back in 2004 when we upgraded to a 3.5 ton unit so since we're keeping the same size unit again, the tedious work is already done it seems. I just want the house cool and comfortable again, around 76 degrees where we usually keep it.

    The Sandman :(B)


    (P.S. Since bad things seem to come in three's, this should be it for the year. First was my car accident, second my emergency surgery and now this. Enough already!!!)

    Yikes; good luck with it, Sandy! At least, a month from now, you shouldn't need to wonder when the cooling will stop. Peace of mind counts for at least something!
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  • corvettecorvette Member Posts: 11,292
    Honcker now works for me in Louisville. They appear to only have Nissans, and I’m not finding any great deals. 
  • benjaminhbenjaminh Member Posts: 6,549
    corvette said:

    Honcker now works for me in Louisville. They appear to only have Nissans, and I’m not finding any great deals. 

    What kind of deal on what kind of car are you looking for?

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  • corvettecorvette Member Posts: 11,292
    Just browsing. Check out the “deals of the day.”  :p

  • Sandman6472Sandman6472 Member Posts: 7,218
    Yes, once it's installed...we're done! And this will be the last major thing to get done here hopefully until we sell! Unless the water heater decides to act up again but that's what the house service contract is for. Hoping with the new a/c that the bill for 2019 will go down a bit since that's the major appliance to need repair since we use it 3/4 of the year if not more. If we have a warm winter, then we use the a/c as it still gets warm/hot until a cool front comes through.
    As I tell my kids, life is very strange and things can happen at the worst possible time. You decide how to handle things, make lemonade or lemons? I choose the lemonade so not going to stress this and exactly what I told the wife, let me handle it. And I've done that already. When I was making the arrangements, I asked the guy to be honest, which unit/brand would you put in your own house? Hopefully he was being honest with me here!

    The Sandman :)B)

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  • nyccarguynyccarguy Member Posts: 17,502
    Old saying in Yiddish:  Man Plans, God Laughs

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  • suydamsuydam Member Posts: 5,071
    Sandy, good move on replacing the unit. You’ll really notice a difference on your bills. We are fortunate that we don’t need AC where we live. We have “G-d’s AKA the Pacific Ocean breezes which really cool temps down in the evening.
    You asked a couple of questions earlier about the Encore. I don’t think it will be the right vehicle for you. Yes, it does have a bit of turbo lag, and it’s not the most powerful engine, both of which are important to you. I like the Encore because it’s the Swiss Army knife of vehicles — does an awful lot of things competently in a very small space, and in a quiet and very comfortable cabin. It’s a second vehicle for us. For effortless power I have the Volt. The Encore is comfortable enough that we’ve driven it on long drives up and down the coast, and it made the trip across country when we moved quite well. But it’s not going to give you that pleasurable scoot off the line that you like about your Golf. The Golf gets better mpg as well, doesn’t it? It’s a trade off. For us having a second, truly utility vehicle, but a smaller quiet one with a luxe feel, and at a very good price, fit the bill. We’ve never had a single problem with it, another plus. Everyone has to decide what’s important to them.
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  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 265,814
    48 month leases? That’s weird, Nissan lease programs suck for 48 months. Maybe, a credit union or US Bank lease?

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